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No repeal for ‘Obamacare’ — a humiliating defeat for Trump

President Donald Trump, flanked by Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, left, and Vice President Mike Pence, meets with members of the media regarding the health care overhaul bill, Friday, March 24, 2017, in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

President Donald Trump, flanked by Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, left, and Vice President Mike Pence, meets with members of the media regarding the health care overhaul bill, Friday, March 24, 2017, in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

March 24, 2017, 10:09 a.m. Updated March 24, 2017, 5:07 p.m.

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— In a humiliating failure, President Donald Trump and GOP leaders pulled their bill to repeal "Obamacare" off the House floor Friday when it became clear it would fail badly — after seven years of nonstop railing against the law. Democrats said Americans can "breathe a sigh of relief." Trump said the current law was imploding "and soon will explode."

Thwarted by two factions of fellow Republicans, from the center and far right, House Speaker Paul Ryan said President Barack Obama's health care law, the GOP's No. 1 target in the new Trump administration, will remain in place "for the foreseeable future."

It was a stunning defeat for the new president after he had demanded House Republicans delay no longer and vote on the legislation Friday, pass or fail.

His gamble failed. Instead Trump, who campaigned as a master deal-maker and claimed that he alone could fix the nation's health care system, saw his ultimatum rejected by Republican lawmakers who made clear they answer to their own voters, not to the president.

He "never said repeal and replace it in 64 days," a dejected but still combative Trump said at the White House, though he repeatedly shouted during the presidential campaign that it was going down on Day One of his term.

The bill was withdrawn just minutes before the House vote was to occur, and lawmaker said there were no plans to revisit the issue. Republicans will try to move ahead on other agenda items, including overhauling the tax code, though the failure on the health bill can only make whatever comes next immeasurably harder.

Trump pinned the blame on Democrats.

"With no Democrat support we couldn't quite get there," he told reporters in the Oval Office. "We learned about loyalty, we learned a lot about the vote-getting process."

The Obama law was approved in 2010 with no Republican votes.

Despite reports of backbiting from administration officials toward Ryan, Trump said: "I like Speaker Ryan. ... I think Paul really worked hard."

For his part, Ryan told reporters: "We came really close today but we came up short. ... This is a disappointing day for us." He said the president has "really been fantastic."

But when asked how Republicans could face voters after their failure to make good on years of promises, Ryan quietly said: "It's a really good question. I wish I had a better answer for you."

House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wis. pauses during a press conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Friday, March 24, 2017. Republican leaders have abruptly pulled their troubled health care overhaul bill off the House floor, short of votes and eager to avoid a humiliating defeat for President Donald Trump and GOP leaders.(AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)

House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wis. pauses during a press conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Friday, March 24, 2017. Republican leaders have abruptly pulled their troubled health care overhaul bill off the House floor, short of votes and eager to avoid a humiliating defeat for President Donald Trump and GOP leaders.(AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)

Last fall, Republicans used the issue to gain and keep control of the White House, Senate and House. During the previous years, they had cast dozens of votes to repeal Obama's law in full or in part, but when they finally got the chance to pass a repeal version that actually had a chance to become law, they couldn't deliver.

Democrats could hardly contain their satisfaction.

"Today is a great day for our country, what happened on the floor is a victory for the American people," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who as speaker herself helped Obama pass the Affordable Care Act in the first place. "Let's just for a moment breathe a sigh of relief for the American people."

The outcome leaves both Ryan and Trump weakened politically.

For the president, this piles a big early congressional defeat onto the continuing inquiries into his presidential campaign's Russia connections and his unfounded wiretapping allegations against Obama.

Ryan was not able to corral the House Freedom Caucus, the restive band of conservatives that ousted the previous speaker. Those Republicans wanted the bill to go much further, while some GOP moderates felt it went too far.

Instead of picking up support as Friday wore on, the bill went the other direction, with several key lawmakers coming out in opposition. Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen of New Jersey, chairman of a major committee, Appropriations, said the bill would raise costs unacceptably on his constituents.

The defections raised the possibility that the bill would not only lose on the floor, but lose big.

The GOP bill would have eliminated the Obama statute's unpopular fines on people who do not obtain coverage and would also have removed the often-generous subsidies for those who purchase insurance.

Republican tax credits would have been based on age, not income like Obama's, and the tax boosts Obama imposed on higher-earning people and health care companies would have been repealed. The bill would have ended Obama's Medicaid expansion and trimmed future federal financing for the federal-state program, letting states impose work requirements on some of the 70 million beneficiaries.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the Republican bill would have resulted in 24 million additional uninsured people in a decade and lead to higher out-of-pocket medical costs for many lower-income and people just shy of age 65 when they would become eligible for Medicare. The bill would have blocked federal payments for a year to Planned Parenthood.

Republicans had never built a constituency for the legislation, and in the end the nearly uniform opposition from hospitals, doctors, nurses, the AARP, consumer groups and others weighed heavily with many members. On the other side, conservative groups including the Koch outfit argued the legislation did not go far enough in uprooting Obamacare.

Ryan made his announcement to lawmakers at a very brief meeting, he was greeted by a standing ovation in recognition of the support he still enjoys from many lawmakers.

When the gathering broke up, Rep. Greg Walden of Oregon, chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee that helped write the bill, told reporters: ""We gave it our best shot. That's it. It's done. D-O-N-E done. This bill is dead."

Comments

Richard Heckler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Obamacare offer consumers way more protection and more coverage than in the past 60 years. Yes the medical insurance industry proceeded to increase rates as usual.

The most practical,most fiscally responsible and fair to the consumers is IMPROVED Medicare Single Payer. This essentially removes the profiteering middle man from the equation = smart indeed.

How many republican, democrat, fiscal conservative and independent voters are Trump conservatives and blue dog democrats willing to throw under the bus?

=== Government Services Are Good,Reliable , AFFORDABLE and Essential http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=7

=== FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT MEDICAID https://questions.medicaid.gov

=== SEPARATING FACT FROM FICTION http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

=== FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT MEDICARE http://www.socialsecurityworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Medicare_FINAL.pdf

=== FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY INSURANCE http://www.socialsecurityworks.org/faq/

How many republican, democrat, fiscal conservative and independent voters are Trump conservatives and blue dog democrats willing to throw under the bus?

Fred Whitehead Jr. 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Bottom line....The Affordable Care Act is the best solution to health care that has been enacted. Many have tried and failed to overcome the fact that health care is EXPENSIVE, difficult to manage and even more difficult to pay for. The real culprits, of course are the medical establishment that holds life and death control over our health issues. They have no opposition or constraint as t how much they can take the public for. No one can regulate the medical establishment that has sway over our medical issues.

Hence, the difficulty in managing to formulate a system of insurance that will help pay for the needed, indeed, vital services of the medical establishment. They hold all the cards.

So President Obama managed to get a system, flawed as it must be, to try to make the best of a very bad and difficult situation. But does he get credit? NO...!! Political opponents for purely political positions choose to label the Affordable Care Act as a "train wreck" a "disaster" and a whole host of politically motivated objections to the health care solution that was originated and passed by the black, Muslim, non-citizen Democratic President of the United States.

Now we are witnessing a political flail by Republicans trying to repeal and "replace" the Affordable Care Act with some sort of similar plan that simply cannot work, because the situation that exists with the medical establishment is simply beyond their control.

So they flail away, creating smoke and flames and creating nothing.

Non-president Trump has gotten into the fray with all his BS about how he is going to repeal "Obamacare" and replace it (when??) with "something better" (what??).

Trump is an entrenched liar, and the people have bought his crap.

So here we are. Nowhere.

That is the way it is folks........there is no solution to high costs, entrenched medical providers and low wage earners who need medical assistance.

Bob Summers 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Bottom line....The Affordable Care Act is the best solution to health care that has been enacted.

Of course it is.

It is welfare.

You deserve all you Liberals can take.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Thank you Bob, this "liberal" much appreciates all the goodness and assistance that we can get from a beneficial government. We will gladly accept your kind assistance!!

Now we "liberal folks" are rejoicing at the prospect of reduced taxes, increased national debt, (borrowed from China of course, they already own most of the USA.) and general progressive forward looking attitudes that we all strive to obtain!!

I just LOVE the non-president Trump!!!!! We need MORE dealmakers and BS artists like him in the U.S. Government!!!

Where should my doctor send the bill for my stubbed toe??

Bill McGovern 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Here is Bob again with another mindless comment. Just another sheep in the Trump flock.

Bob Forer 8 months, 3 weeks ago

No, Summers, the bottom line is this--you and your party of inept fools lost bigly, very bigly.

Lol. My friends and I are celebrating this evening. What are your plans?

LOL. LOL. LOL.

Bob Reinsch 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Bob, I'm guessing the other Bobs are going to do what the CiC does... run away and hide for weekend vacation (all the while claiming it's not a vacation), then come back with some other delusional nonsense having to do with wiretaps, illegal voting, or how he is being treated so unfairly. You have to love it when so-called billionaires play the victim card.

Signed, One of the Reasonable Bobs

Steve Jacob 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Yoder is hoping for divine intervention to avoid voting on this.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Soooooo )Gads...I know You fine folks are getting tired of m. ( I am getting tired of me)

How is that "Big, beautiful border wall doing?? How many pesos do you have saved up for that,,,,,,huh??

Steve Jacob 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Honestly, between Congress and courts, maybe the only thing Trump will be allowed to do the next four years is deport people.

Steve Jacob 8 months, 3 weeks ago

We Americans just don't know what we want. We want the government to help us and leave us alone at the same time. We want the best schools, health care and infrastructure without paying for it. We add a trillion or so to the debt each year and do nothing about it because no one wants to raise taxes or cut welfare.

Clark Coan 8 months, 3 weeks ago

They'll rework it and bring it back in the House but it might not get far in the Senate. About 125,000 Kansans will lose insurance next year if RyanCare does eventually pass and about 200,000 seniors 55-64 will have their premiums skyrocket. The only sensible thing to do is pass Medicare for All and gradually expand Medicare to cover everyone. First those 50-64, then those 0-18, etc. The hard part is figuring out how to pay for it and reigning in medical costs caused by profiteering by pharmaceutical companies, medical technology companies, hospitals, etc.

Bob Forer 8 months, 3 weeks ago

How are they going to satisfactorily rework it? The moderates are afraid of not being reelected if millions lose healthcare and the far right will not be satisfied unless healthcare is completely gutted. The. Rrpublicans are caught in an irreconcilable contradiction.

Daniel Kennamore 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Anyone else tired of all this winning yet?

Bob Forer 8 months, 3 weeks ago

The republicans have been vowing to repeal Obamacare for seven years and now having control of all three branches of government they face plant. Lol. what a bunch of inept fools.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Steve......your post represents a very valid observation. We all want to lose weight...and continue to eat junk food ad crap.....We all cringe when we look at the balance on our credit card bills......hut we run out and add to it with that totally unnecessary whim we saw on a TV ad or in the news paper. We hope for good leadership to replace poor leadership....and then we vote for a debauched, perverted, racist bigot for President of the United States and Commander in Chief of the U.S. Military (which he slams repeatedly).

There used to be a cartoon called Pogo the Possum.......one of the things I mostly remember from Pogo the Possum is....."We have met the enemy and they is us."

Michael Kort 8 months, 3 weeks ago

This bill was supposed to passable with no Democratic votes to help it along ,.......and .who killed this bill was both the ultra conservative Republicans, who did not see the bill as meeting their agenda of destroying public healthcare insurance and the moderate Republicans who thought that it went way too far in sticking it to the poor !

As one might expect,......'.Lying Donald ' blamed the failure of this health care bill to be passed on ( OH NO ! ) the Democrats ! ? ( WHATEVER *%#@^& ? ? ? ) who were never consulted in creating the Republican health care bill to begin with, as it was supposed to be a Republican master legislative stroke totally passable without Democratic help and was meant to be a political rebuke of the Democrats and Obama by the so called new and improved people in charge in Washington, D.C. .

Oh well,.......LIARS LIE .

What will Donald say next that is not truthful ?

Jeffry Helms 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I guess the hiv/aids and deadly std people are going to "push forward" even more in society than I wanted. I hoped the "wealthy " people would pay for their healthcare that would "push" some of healthy clean and sober people "forward" instead ( and reduce healthcare bills and crime etc. and suffering ) . The hiv/aids patients don't stop using and are mean and nasty about a lot of things and generally act like nazi's in my opinion especially about financial situations-which they are now even more so in control of . The hiv/aids patients etc. generally are the drug cartel people ( and IM anabolic steroid people ) and people associated with them etc.. La Sinaloa, gulf cartel-etc. are going to get even more powerful in American society with free healthcare with their million$ assets making more healthcare bills and crime and suffering.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Jeffry, you do know that Obamacare requires insurance to cover mental health costs, don't you. Why not check into that, okay.

Jeffry Helms 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Well, I don't think Pres. Trump has a good "alternative" to obamacare really-that's the problem with the repeal. It's just a matter of time before the wealthy have to pay for their healthcare with the big healthcare bill " just helping bigtime " crowd that takes MOST of the state and local tax revenues -where it hurts the most-for their healthcare while sitting in million$ estates. Shaking hands with the devil-like the drug cartels and slamming steroids--should not get the red carpet ride in society. When you notice the hiv/aids dementia related stalking groups and what they do in society---you'll agree with me generally-and generally-the wealthy pretty much get free healthcare in a number of ways. Letting the hiv/aids virus take over our society is downright foolish. If these people were 'nice' I say-why not--but most are nazi's in a group way!!

Jeffry Helms 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes I know about the "insurance" but if obamacare is "insurance" then why is the state in 25billion$ ish in debt??? AND--let me say it again--AND- in legal court is not "accessory" the same as actually committing the crime?? In almost all the hiv/aids infections--the sex partners KNEW their sex partners were involved in drug cartels AND steroid slamming. ( they did not contact the police and inform etc.) You say "why steroid slamming" -because steroid slamming causes swollen prostates, leading to prostate massage and anal sex = which is a 90% rate chance of deadly std infection. Same with steroidal cervical/ovarian cancer in gals. AND , steroid slamming changes the human sex organ changing the dna markup which affects the unborn children also--which leads to infection in a number of ways.-- 1

Jeffry Helms 8 months, 3 weeks ago

A good "alternative" is a 40,000$ or more cap on assets with the healthcare program with a 10 "intuition" ban with healthcare plan if assets are traded sold or bartered etc.-if applicable etc..--THAT'S THE PLAN!!!!!! Fleecing our social infrastructure for primarily criminal millionaires is not constitutional anyways in alot of ways when they got the cash to pay for their healthcare in the first place-it's social infrastructure ruination-destroying something we all worked hard for and sacrificed alot of blood and family members for etc.----

Kendall Simmons 8 months, 3 weeks ago

What on earth are you babbling about??? You make absolutely ZERO sense.

Jeffry Helms 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Oh we know , as long as you get the free healthcare and can act like the big cheese doodle. Well-somehow--I think you guys "stepped on your do-henry's" WAY too many times. Bigtime do-henry stepping on in Cali. THAT's for sure. AND- we all know who steps on their do-henry's mostly.

Corey Williams 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Jeff...can I call you Jeff? you really, really need to talk to a professional about these issues you have. for yourself and anyone around you, seek help.

Jeffry Helms 8 months, 3 weeks ago

What-??? Where have you been??? Come get on the bandwagon and have 5 or more kids with absolutely no money and act like people are attacking you.

Michael Kort 8 months, 3 weeks ago

You should call 'The Donald'....... right now !

Donald could use a speech writer with ' fresh ideas ' that are off the wall and might appeal to the Republican Right ?........Wrong ?........Or Whatever ?

The same old Trump Lies are getting boring !

Fred Whitehead Jr. 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Whew!!!..Jeffry......don't you know that "Nazis" should be capitalized?? Bad grammar!!

(OOPS!!...... "Nazis".....get the flag!!!!!!)

Dorothy.........well..........what more needs to be said, eh?? These people have the right to vote and usually vote for candidates like Trump.

Bob Forer 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I guess Bob Smith is in hiding. Lol.

These clowns would screw up a wet dream. They have the largest republican majority in congress since 1929-31 and couldn't repeal a law that they have been promising to get rid of for seven years.

It's been barely two months and the Trump administration has been a serial dumpster fire

--the Flynn debacle

--two failed immigration orders

--health care

--the growing Russian probe

--the patently false claims that Obama wire tapped Trump

Just to name a few.

Our country is being run by rank amateurs.

Bob Summers 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Truly entertaining to watch the irrational exuberance by the emotionally unstable Liberal for a welfare entitlement that is unsustainable.

People with money pay more for healthcare than the people with less money. People with less money expect the same care as the people paying for it.

Won't happen Liberals.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Yayyyyt!! Hooray!!! Great News!!! The "Liberals" are kicking butt!!! We are winning against the fascist pretender!! Great news!!!!!

Uh....."wet dream"......watch it Bob, there are kids out here reading this.

Bob Forer 8 months, 3 weeks ago

May I call you stupid? That is the way our taxation system works, summers. People who make more money pay more in taxes, and thus end up paying more for defense, police, roads and bridges, schools, etc.

You have a child-like perception of how taxation works.

Pathetic and shameful that you are so ignorant on the matter.

People with more money pay more for our public schools than people with less money. People with more money pay more towards road and bridges than people with less money. People with more money pay more towards police and fire than people with less money. People with more money pay more towards national defense than people with less money. And so on.

Guess what,? It has been like that for decades and decades. Summers, you are one ignorant citizen. Lol.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 8 months, 3 weeks ago

With our modern society awash in commercial frauds like "Copperfit" and "Ancestry" (hope none of your folks have given money to these frauds) is it any wonder that we have a gigantic fraud like the un-elected non-president in the White House. His incompetence and never ending blathering about how "great" he is has become readily apparent.

There are too many people in the country today that are fooled by all this crap and those who voted for the non-president pose a peril to our democracy that cannot be imagined. As my military officer father would have said, "He has diarrhea of the mouth". He revels in spreading BS and inaccurate baloney knowing most of the people will believe this crap.

Impeachment has been mentioned. When will relief come? We have 4 more years of this circus. When will the end of it all happen????

Shawn Herrman 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Anything, named Obama isn't a good thing. I wouldn't criticize it when he was president because guess what, he was our president. So I supported him the best I could at the time. Sadly, most liberals cannot do the same for Trump.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Well, Shawn, I'm glad you tried to support him when he was president, but most conservatives did not, including those in Congress. And then there were the guys on the overpasses. And the racist jokes. And the Kenyan thing. Trump didn't support Obama when he was president.

But that being said, I am against many of the things the Trump stands for. Not all. For example, I think we need to get some manufacturing back in the US, and get some good paying jobs for people. But even though I agree with him on this point, I don't think he really stands for this. He and his daughter could have bought their clothing line in the US. And if they couldn't find a manufacture, they could have built a factory and hired a bunch of people, but they didn't. Even his winery and resorts are asking to ship in foreign workers. There have been many times when he has been openly hypocritical, and many politicians are. But Trump does it bigly.

Richard Heckler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Anti American conservatives are trying to kill medicare insurance,Social Security Insurance,public education and medic aid = the facts.

Consumers no matter your party affiliation anti american conservatives and the medical insurance industry have not given up taking more form your wallets to access healthcare.

Over rated and expensive medical insurance giants OVER CHARGE their customers over and above their greedy size premiums THEN do not provide any medical care whatsoever : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html

I am fine with repealing the "mandate to purchase" or at least altering it to a choice without penalty.

There are some who would rather finance their own health care straight out of their pockets which would reduce the expense considerably for them as would Medicare Single Payer Insurance of which both options should be open to all.

I say repeal the mandate STAT.

Then provide 3 choices:

=== ObamaCare which retains the health insurance industry

=== Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage for all who wish to subscribe.

Single-Payer (HR 676 and S 703) Expanded Medicare for All Vs. Proposed Healthcare “Private insurance with Public Option” http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf ( very interesting findings)

=== Self financed health care for the financially fiscally fit if one wants to opt out.

Can conservatives get on with this without screwing up healthcare, without a bunch of BS and stop throwing fiscal conservatives, republicans,green party thinkers and democrats under the bus?

Improved Medicare for All would substantially reduce health care costs (especially for low- and middle-income families), expand coverage, and improve access to care.

Richard Heckler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

As some JOCO voters are saying getting rid of Yoder is over due! Actually that could be said about the entire Kansas delegation.

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