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Angry over GOP health overhaul, crowd confronts Rep. Jenkins in Lawrence

Members of the audience show their opposition to remarks made by U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kan., during a listening tour on Monday, March 13, 2017 at the Dole Institute of Politics. Many in attendance voiced concerns pertaining to how Republicans in Congress plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

Members of the audience show their opposition to remarks made by U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kan., during a listening tour on Monday, March 13, 2017 at the Dole Institute of Politics. Many in attendance voiced concerns pertaining to how Republicans in Congress plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

March 13, 2017

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U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins faced a boisterous and sometimes angry crowd in Lawrence Monday as she was peppered with questions and comments about a Republican plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare.

A crowd of about 400 people turned out for the event at the Dole Institute of Politics on the University of Kansas campus, where Jenkins faced the same kind of reaction that many other GOP members of the House and Senate have faced in recent weeks.

But Jenkins, who was herself part of the loud and angry opposition forces that showed up at town hall meetings in 2009 when Obamacare was first being debated, tried unsuccessfully to calm people's fears, insisting several times that nobody would lose their health coverage under the GOP plan, and that costs would actually go down while people will enjoy more options for coverage.

Rep. Lynn Jenkins addresses a question during a listening tour event on Monday, March 13, 2017 at the Dole Institute of Politics.

Rep. Lynn Jenkins addresses a question during a listening tour event on Monday, March 13, 2017 at the Dole Institute of Politics.

"The intent is to provide transition rules so that no one that has health care is thrown off of their health care, and folks that don't have coverage are able to get coverage," Jenkins said at the outset of the event.

Several times, however, Jenkins' voice was drowned out by chants from the crowd, saying "We don't believe you," and "Do your job." It was the kind of mood and reaction not often seen at the Dole Institute, which touts itself as a place that advocates calm and civil discourse over political issues.

Just as the town hall meeting was getting underway, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released its estimates of the bill's potential impact, saying it would reduce the federal deficit by $337 billion over the next 10 years, but that 24 million Americans would lose their health coverage over that same period, including 14 million in 2018 alone.

Most of the savings would come from cuts in Medicaid, the joint federal and state health insurance program for the poor, and by repealing many of the taxes imposed under Obamacare on high-income taxpayers.

Jenkins, however, said she disagreed with the CBO's estimates, echoing what has become a popular talking point for Republicans, although she did not offer any other estimates of her own.

Several Republicans have noted that the CBO's original estimates of how many people would gain coverage under Obamacare were overstated. But others point out that's because the U.S. Supreme Court overturned part of the law, which initially required all states to expand their Medicaid programs, saying instead that Congress could only make that an option for states.

Kansas is one of 19 states that opted not to expand its Medicaid program, although efforts are underway in the state Legislature to do that this year.

Marci Nielsen, a health policy expert from Lawrence who has worked at both the state and federal levels, said that since the Supreme Court made that ruling, the CBO's ongoing estimates about the impact of Obamacare have proved to be accurate.

Chris Johnston, of Ottawa, questions U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kan., on figures released by the Congressional Budget Office with regard for Republicans' health care plan during a listening tour on Monday, March 13, 2017 at the Dole Institute of Politics.

Chris Johnston, of Ottawa, questions U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kan., on figures released by the Congressional Budget Office with regard for Republicans' health care plan during a listening tour on Monday, March 13, 2017 at the Dole Institute of Politics.

"It’s one thing to disagree on fundamentals of what insurance should be and whether it’s a right. That’s an appropriate debate," Nielsen said in a phone interview after the town hall meeting. "But to divert attention by questioning whether CBO estimates are accurate is incredible to me."

"I'm in favor of repealing Obamacare, and I'm in favor of replacing it with a single-payer system," said one man who said he was from Eudora, prompting loud cheers of support from the audience.

Another woman, Janella Williams, said she had started a small business, something she said would not have been possible without the Affordable Care Act.

"I have a medical condition that I've had since 1995, when I was 29 years old, and if I don't get treatments every seven weeks, I will lose the use of my left hand, my left side and my right foot," she said. "So currently, under the plan I have right now that I'm able to afford, I can be a contributing member of society."

Jenkins, however said that under the GOP plan, people with pre-existing conditions like hers would receive tax credits that would help them buy insurance. However, for younger Americans, those tax credits would be significantly less generous than the subsidies available through Obamacare.

According to the CBO report, the Republican plan would leave in place many of the more popular features of Obamacare, such as the requirement that insurers cannot deny coverage for pre-existing conditions and that children can stay on their parents' coverage through age 26.

An audience member voices her wishes for the repeal of the Affordable Care Act during a listening tour for Rep. Lynn Jenkins on Monday, March 13, 2017 at the Dole Institute of Politics.

An audience member voices her wishes for the repeal of the Affordable Care Act during a listening tour for Rep. Lynn Jenkins on Monday, March 13, 2017 at the Dole Institute of Politics.

But it would repeal the mandates that most individuals have coverage and that most large employers provide group health plans to their workers.

In addition, it would drastically overhaul Medicaid, converting it into a kind of block grant program that sends money to states based on the number of individuals enrolled in those programs, and reducing those payments so that states that did not expand their Medicaid programs under Obamacare would either have to pay for the expansion groups themselves or remove those people from the program.

One woman who spoke up at the meeting said that could have drastic consequences for her family.

“My medically fragile child is on a Medicaid waiver for services,” she said. “The Home and Community Based (Services) waiver is one of the many things that will likely be cut in a per-capita cap on Medicaid or a block grant.”

The woman said her son would likely lose that coverage if Medicaid funding is cut because the state of Kansas already faces a budget shortfall and probably could not afford to make up for reductions in federal funding.

“Again, I want to reassure everyone that no one is expected to be thrown off their insurance, whether they’re in Medicaid, Obamacare like I do, or an independent, employer-sponsored plan,” Jenkins said, prompting groans from the audience.

A spokeswoman for Gov. Sam Brownback issued a statement saying Kansas would be better off under the proposed changes to Medicaid.

“Federal changes to Medicaid should protect the states that did not previously expand ObamaCare," spokeswoman Melika Willoughby said. "The flexibility of block granting based on a per-capita formula best allows for state-based innovation and care and Kansas is well positioned to lead the country in innovation.”

"Tell them people in Kansas are damn mad," says Pam Ensley of Topeka, while urging Rep. Lynn Jenkins to voice the concerns of the state to congressional leadership during a listening tour on Monday, March 13, 2017, at the Dole Institute of Politics.

"Tell them people in Kansas are damn mad," says Pam Ensley of Topeka, while urging Rep. Lynn Jenkins to voice the concerns of the state to congressional leadership during a listening tour on Monday, March 13, 2017, at the Dole Institute of Politics.

The GOP health plan was not the only issue discussed during the town hall meeting, which was moderated by WIBW-TV news anchor Melissa Brunner. But it did dominate most of the hour-long discussion.

Others expressed more general anger and disappointment in President Donald Trump’s administration, and they urged Jenkins to speak out more forcefully to denounce some of the controversial remarks he has made or posted on Twitter.

Jenkins, however, said she did not support Trump in the 2016 elections and originally backed Carly Fiorina for the GOP nomination. But that wasn’t enough to satisfy some people in the audience.

One of those was Pam Ensley of Topeka, who said she was not only concerned about proposed changes in the health care law, but also frightened by talk of privatizing Social Security and Medicare, the federal health insurance program for the elderly.

“If you have any sway with (House Speaker Rep.) Paul Ryan or (Senate Majority Leader) Mitch McConnell, who think they know better than we do, tell them people in Kansas are damn mad,” Ensley said.

Note: Peter Hancock formerly worked at the Kansas Health Policy Authority from October 2008 through January 2011. Marci Nielsen was executive director of that agency until July 2009.

Comments

Scott Callahan 1 month, 1 week ago

Several times, however, Jenkins' voice was drowned out by chants from the crowd, saying "We don't believe you," and "Do your job."

How embarrassing. Freegans again.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

No, not embarrassing at all. Conscientious citizens, rightly concerned and justifiably confrontational. There is no good reason to believe Rep. Lynn Jenkins. The only statement of the crowd's that I dispute is, "Do your job." Jenkins's idea of doing her job is to be a rubber stamp for The Regime.

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

Apparently, democracy is not for faux "polite" people ljike you.

William Enick 1 month, 1 week ago

It will reduce the federal budget by 337 billion in the next ten years. That's 337 billion that the citizens of the now completely corrupt country had absolutely no involvement in creating. We are not going to pay for it anymore. Can you tell me how many fortune 500 corporations have admitted to being anti-democratic? Do you think we live in a democracy? Do you understand the the Pentagon has an unpaid tab of 6.5 trillion? That's right...trillion. I can tell you that everybody at the Dole Center that evening knew all of these realities. Go step on someone else's neck. It's become a Death Machine. Have you even heard this description before? Have you heard about guns on campus? Sixty percent of all high school students on down (grade school) go to school hungry everyday. It is no longer possible for a working class family to live a life that is well-lived in this country. We live in a police state because of it. Hello???

Jay Keffer 1 month, 1 week ago

"Sixty percent of all high school students on down (grade school) go to school hungry everyday. "

Source?

Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 month, 1 week ago

The basic problem is..............health costs more than most anyone can afford except the very rich prevent access to logical and dependable medical care.

No one can afford to get sick. Health care costs is the culprit here. The people who charge you $100.00 to sit in their waiting rooms for an hour or more and then shuttle you to another "examining room" for 30 minutes, and then come in, spend 5 minutes acting like they are listening to what your problem is, and then send you to their "lab" for another 30 minutes to an hour. THESE ARE THE CULPRITS! Or maybe I am wrong. Maybe YOUR bill was for $150.00 or $200.00. Who knows?? Who can afford care with these kind of people preying on the patients?

The government has tried to solve this dilemma but since they do not have power over the medical vultures, well.....what would you expect?

Most all countries in the world provide some sort of national health care. Even Canada. But the good ole USA cannot get it's act together. (We don't WANT socialist" medicine sez the population....we prefer to die.) "Make America great again!!! Yeah.....Right!

(I have no answers. Don't ask me...)

Richard Quinlan 1 month, 1 week ago

These politicians are normally so isolated and detached from the people they supposedly represent it is refreshing to see them actually in front of citizens getting an earful. They typically can choose a chamber of commerce or farm bureau freindly venues where most are star struck meeting a politician.

Its high time they learn that just because their side won by 2% they still represent the other 48%.

Carol Bowen 1 month, 1 week ago

I doubt the readon for this town hall is that pure. Town Halls must be a new page in their playbook.

Bob Summers 1 month, 1 week ago

Remember when crowds used to torment and harass Seblius for double counting $500,000,000 in medicare savings to pay for Obama care?

Yeah. I don't remember that either.

But, then, the mob that is torturing Jenkins have the genetic condition.

Alex Landazuri 1 month, 1 week ago

and by genetic condition you mean common sense? something all politicians on the federal level, most at the state level and those like you seem to lack? good to know you support us bob.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 month, 1 week ago

Uhhh Alex..........this label l "genetic condition" is Bob's way of stabbing away at people who disagree with him and by his convoluted logic are LIBERALS, LIBERALS, LIBERALS!!!!!!

Last time I checked, there are supposedly two political stances.....Liberal and Conservative. And last time I checked, Trump has been unable out outlaw those of us who are of a "liberal" mind set. Get it??

It is the only recourse of his limited and atrophied dialog. He gets this from Rush Limbaugh, the largest purveyor of this sort of crap.

JM Andy 1 month, 1 week ago

Bob is a retired old f**k with nothing else to do but troll LJ World all day, every day. Quit giving him your energy. Maybe he'll find something useful to do with his life if people duly ignore his nonsense.

Alex Landazuri 1 month, 1 week ago

oh i know...im just poking fun at at him. hes not intelligent enough to have an adult conversation at the moment.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

Torture? No, justified confrontation and assertiveness. Public citizenship. You didn't whine when Tea Partiers gave Democrats, and some Republicans, this treatment in 2010 at their town halls about the ACA, or when Joe Wilson screamed out at Barack Obama "You Lie!" So don't be such a snowflake now. Deal with it--that's what Rep. Jenkins did.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 month, 1 week ago

"A spokeswoman for Gov. Sam Brownback issued a statement saying Kansas would be better off under the proposed changes to Medicaid."

Well, it can't be much worse the Brownback's fiasco, KanCare. Maybe the Republicans will reward Brownback by sending him more money for Medicaid, then his "private" sector buddies can rip off more tax dollars and give us a longer waiting list. Whenever Brownback says Kansas would be better off, he really means he is going to make sure some profit worshipping buddy of his is going to make some money.

Brett McCabe 1 month, 1 week ago

Universal health, dental and vision is where we need to be. Sooner rather than later. Jenkins is like an 1867 Confederate soldier wandering around the wilds of Tennessee, acting like the war is still on. 2018 is coming and Kansas Dems and Inds need to get busy - even the Bernie babies need to step up and finally do their part.

Bob Summers 1 month, 1 week ago

"Universal health, dental and vision"

You mean like VA care the veterans get.

Brilliant use of you complex critical thinking Liberal mind.

Alex Landazuri 1 month, 1 week ago

bob, seeing you criticize people for lack of critical thought is rich, seeing as you never seem to post anything other than "blah blah blah liberal blah blah blah" or blah blah blah genetic condition blah blah blah"

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

A Trump tweet has at least as much substance as one of Bob's snark snacks. Minus the entertainment value.

Patrick Pritchard 1 month, 1 week ago

Sorry I couldn't be there......good to hear that Jenkins finally got her due. She's such a phony.

Steve Jacob 1 month, 1 week ago

I give her credit for coming. I wish the Republicans would be honest about this. Just say "Hey, we know it's not as good as Obamacare, but we are 20 trillion in debt, so cuts have to be made." Telling people that it will be cheaper, better and no one will lose coverage is just a dream.

Bob Smith 1 month, 1 week ago

Who paid to have all those "disagree" signs printed?

Alex Landazuri 1 month, 1 week ago

you forgot to mention false news and alternate facts. time to turn in your gop card bob....

Chase Blackwood 1 month, 1 week ago

Probably not the state, can't afford it right now.

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

At 2 cents each you are looking at around eight bucks. Thanks for demonstrAting what a damn fool you are for raising a meaningless issue. You can't fix stupid.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

You did, chump. Came right out of your hard-earned paycheck. Oh, the humanity!!!!!

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

calling him a chump is overly polite.

David Klamet 1 month, 1 week ago

Why have people stopped talking about the actual healthcare costs? When one night in the hospital costs $8000, insurance premiums are going to be high-- unaffordably hIgh.

Other nations have affordable care. Why must we different?

RJ Johnson 1 month, 1 week ago

It is not our Governments responsibly to provide the general public with health insurance! Never has been, will never be!! We are not a Socialist Government!!

Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 month, 1 week ago

No.......we are a Soviet government. Real President Putin, who whispers into Trump's ear is the real power behind the fraud Trump. You will REALLY like the KGB version of the Gestapo and the SS.

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

You fool. Ever read our Constitution?

GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."

Richard Heckler 1 month, 1 week ago

We are not what?

The U.S. health insurance system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $2 trillion annual U.S. health care bill is paid through taxes.

Why are we citizens FORCED to send money to a middleman that which does NOT provide healthcare?

Phillip Chappuie 1 month, 1 week ago

It is simple. No one will be tossed off their plan like she says. The premiums will become so high they quit. They will have no choice when the choice is pay the premium or the electric bill. And Melika Willoughby probably needs to just stick a sock in her lying mouth. She showed her colors sometime ago when she suggested people with disabilities shouldn't be allowed to vote. And a suggestion for Mr. Summers: The internet is a wonderful place full of all kinds of knowledge and enlightening information. You should take a look at it sometime. Look, learn and discover the world.

Richard Heckler 1 month, 1 week ago

KC Star reports 14 million could lose health coverage the first year of Trump NOT Care... according to the CBO.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

Yes. It looks like that "plan" might not survive much longer itself, though. Not because the GOP cares about the 14 million, but because they fear losing their stranglehold in the House of Reps.

Randolf Fellows 1 month, 1 week ago

I hate to break it to you RJ, but we do have a Socialist government. Social Security, Medicare and many, many programs operated at the Federal and State levels are Socialist programs. The issue with healthcare is that corporate lobbies have brainwashed the masses into thinking this is all about the rich vs. the poor. They want us to think this is about wealth redistribution and welfare recipients exploiting the generosity of hard working blue collar, red blooded Americans. It's not about that. It's about a multi-billion dollar insurance industry. It's about a multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry. There are other private industries as well. The amount of money these industries bleed out of the healthcare system is obscene. They pull in huge profits. They spend hundreds of millions on advertising and lobbying. They waste or steal billions each year from money that could be used to provide effective healthcare to everyone. The United States is the only industrialized nation in the world who lets big pharma and medical insurers take such a huge piece of the pie. And the solution is pretty simple. Single payer and government controls on drug prices. While we are at it we can stop allowing drug companies to influence doctors and push drugs to patients. We have many models to learn from. All these other discussions about how to fix our healthcare system are just trying to keep the Titanic afloat with masking tape.

Bob Smith 1 month, 1 week ago

Remember "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan"?

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

Yeah. I remember it. Former President was wrong to say it and people were right to be mad about it. Does it mean that everything about the ACA is worthless, ineffectual, freedom-crushing, not tasty, too filling? For you, yes. So what?

What about now? We have a record of statements from the current President promising something that sounds pretty damn utopian. Does he get a pass on that because of Barack Obama's transgression? We know what your answer to that is.

Clara Westphal 1 month, 1 week ago

What ever happened to civility? People are upset but they could still be civil about their disagreements.

Kyle Neuer 1 month, 1 week ago

People are facing loss of medical care and/or bankruptcy because of this bs and you want civility? This is hitting too close to home.

Patrick Grassy 1 month, 1 week ago

Pretty sure civility went the way of the Dinosaur once a president who bragged about "grabbing women by the p***y" was elected. Obviously being civil is not his strong point and anyone who voted for him was silently approving of the new norm of disrespect, discourtesy and overall rudeness toward everyone. Spend 10 minutes on social media if you want confirmation.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

You're so right. Unfortunately the nation rewarded an uncivil Presidential candidate in 2016 and now he's in charge. Hard to shift people's priorities in a better direction when they have this and other examples of how civility is not only not rewarded, but also punished.

Kyle Neuer 1 month, 1 week ago

NOTHING gets fixed without campaign finance reform. As long as the pols listen to the very few contributors, the voters will continue to get hosed.

Greg DiVilbiss 1 month, 1 week ago

I have a plan with Dr. William Ryan Neuhofel in Lawrence where I pay $60.00 per month and I get unlimited office visits, many tests for free. Discounted other tests.

Obamacare priced me out of the market and in fact my deductible got so high that it ended up being a catastrophic policy with an annual physical.

These cooperatives are popping up all over the country and they make routine care very affordable, many do house calls.

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

Greg, Obamacare didn't price you out. It was the greed of the health care industry. Costs have been increasing dramatically for years.

Michael Kort 1 month, 1 week ago

AH............" REPUBLICARE " ......24 MILLION OF YOU CAN JUST GET LOST..............HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION US, AS WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING ( to those 24 million ).............AND, .......IT'S ALL OBAMAS' FAULT, ANYWAY ! RIGHT ?

Bob Smith 1 month, 1 week ago

"....Caps Lock Is Your Enemy Look at your keyboard. On the left should be a button labeled "Caps Lock." Now, there should be a light somewhere indicating whether the Caps Lock key is on. You want that light to be off. If you can't find the indicator light, try typing on screen. Do you see lower case letters? If not, hit the Caps Lock key and try typing again. When you get your keyboard to the state where it normally types lower case letters, NEVER EVER TOUCH THE CAPS LOCK KEY EVER AGAIN! I can use it because I'm a professional, but you crazy people just need to leave that key alone. This tip by itself will make a lot of you look 100% less crazy. There are basically two kinds of people who type entire comments with Caps Lock on: stupid people and crazy people. And no one wants to read what either has to say. Now, a stupid person just doesn't notice or care that his Caps Lock key is on, and someone like that is probably not advanced enough to use the internet. Crazy people, on the other hand, intentionally put the Caps Lock on because they think the reason people haven't been agreeing with their crazy is that they didn't say it loud enough. This is crazy person logic, and it is wrong..." https://pjmedia.com/blog/tips-for-not-appearing-crazy-on-the-internet/

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

This comment has "a$$hole" written all over it.

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

Thanks Bob. I wouldn't be doing my job correctly if a scoundrel like you liked me.

Patrick Grassy 1 month, 1 week ago

Don't feed the idiots Bob. Just remember what Twain said, "never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience."

Patrick Grassy 1 month, 1 week ago

And just to clarify, that was directed toward Bob Forer, not Bob Smith. (i.e. "BS")

Michael Kort 1 month, 1 week ago

REPUBLICARE, REPUBLICARE, REPUBLICARE .

OPS..........I DID IT AGAIN ! ! ! OH MY ! ! !

WHAT REALLY TROUBLES YOU...... BOB........ IS THE TRUTH ......AND REPUBLICARE IS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN FOR 24 MILLION PEOPLE WHO WILL BE WALKING THE WIRE WITHOUT A NET .

I prefer facts to mindless appearances...... or the latest snow job from lying politicians or their supporters on a mission for their political $ masters to trick the multitudes into screwing themselves for the sakes of some want to be rich folks who could care less if others live or die as long as they get theirs for nothing ! ! !

Richard Neuschafer 1 month ago

What actually troubles Bob are mindless dimbulbs like you. Where are your facts, Michael?

Stacy Napier 1 month, 1 week ago

If you don't have insurance it's not the Republicans fault. It's not the Democrats fault or any other political subdivision.

It's your fault. Go get a job that has some or buy your own private policy. They have had private policies since I was out of highschool 30 years ago. I bought one while in college.

This county was built on freedom to choose and determination to make it no matter what so don't spout off how you can't get a job or how the government should take care of those who can't. Anyone is free to get off their but and work, just like our founding fathers did.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

I've got a better idea. Laughter is the best medicine, as the saying goes, so reading your "analysis" of the situation could potentially save the lives of millions who cannot afford insurance.

Yep, "just like our founding fathers did." Like when they got out in those fields and picked that cotton.

My diagnosis--you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You don't know why some people don't have health insurance, you just assume they're all deadbeats, whiners, and takers. There are cures for your problem, but clearly, you lack the initiative and the capacity to seek them out.

Patrick Grassy 1 month, 1 week ago

And don't spout off about being "stricken with Parkinsons, physical deformities, paralysis, cancer, fetal alcohol syndrome, M.S., intellectual disabilities, Autism, Downs Syndrome, blindness, cerebral palsy" or any other such pansy-a## nonsense either, am I right "Clara Barton"? Get a job and get off your arses, we don't owe you anything! Wow.

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

Let em die?

No wonder we are not friends. And thank goodness for that!!

Stacy Napier 1 month, 1 week ago

That's a bit extreme. I am pretty sure we have not saved anyone's life with the implementation of Obama care.

And if you really think it's a matter of life or death you might research the governments with universal healthcare, and what is really provided for someone with terminal illness.

Scott Quenette 1 month, 1 week ago

"pretty sure". Well that's good enough for me.

Cille King 1 month, 1 week ago

I have heard many testimonies from people who said that the ACA had saved they life - that they couldn't get insurance before the ACA, and then when the ACA happened, they got life-saving treatment. They are on the video-tapes of town hall meetings.

Richard Heckler 1 month, 1 week ago

ACA improved coverage but did not reduce cost which in reality is in the backyard of the medical insurance industry.

This may or may not be interesting:

Bill Moyers

“The people in favor of a public alternative can’t scrape up the millions of dollars Baucus has received from the health sector during his political career. In fact, over the last two decades, the current members of the entire finance committee have collected nearly $50 million from the health sector, a long-term investment that’s now paying off like a busted slot machine.”

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2009/10/bill_moyers_michael_winship_in.html#more

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

Based on how you express yourself here, you wouldn't give a damn if you had the proof right in front of you.

You portray yourself as virtuous and infallible when it comes to work ethic and you portray millions of people whom you've never met and know nothing about as useless leeches. Sad!

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

Nonsense. YOu are the extreme one. YOu obviously don't give a damn about other people...... Wait..... Let me guess.....YOu consider yourself a Christian?

YOu wouldn't understand the teachings of Jesus if they bit you on the behind.

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

Actually, you are talking out of your behind. Although we by far spend the most money per capita for health care among First World countries, we don't even rate as high as Cuba in such health statistics as infant mortality and life expectancy.

Try educating yourself. You are trending STUPID at the moment.

Greg Cooper 1 month, 1 week ago

What? Death panels? What? Let them die in the streets and become fertilizer? Soylent Green

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

Stacey, despite your ignorance, the government, by explicit design, has it's very purpose promoting the general welfare of the people. Be honest with us. Have you every even read our U.S., Constitution.

Here is a free lesson:

GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."

Stacy Napier 1 month, 1 week ago

Some interpret the defense and welfare of the "US" as the government itself. Other interpret it as the citizens as a whole. This is the crux of the 2nd amendment. who are the people? But I guess you can just apply it which ever way fits your views at the time.

And I can guarantee you that when the constitution was written they were not worried about healthcare and insurance. Back then everyone paid for their own doctor. Of course back then it was against the law to be a vagrant and to have no means to support yourself.

Bob Forer 1 month, 1 week ago

Sorry, it is neither my interpretation nor your's that counts. It's what the courts have ruled. And their rulings are on all fours with my perspective. Despite a conservative majority, the SCOTUS ruled, with the exception of the medicare expansion, that the ACA was constitutional.

Richard Heckler 1 month, 1 week ago

The politicians are protecting the medical insurance industry thus receiving sweet kickbacks in return. Political rhetoric refers to kickbacks as campaign donations.

Meanwhile...

I am fine with repealing the "mandate to purchase" or at least altering it to a choice without penalty.

There are some who would rather finance their own health care straight out of their pockets which would reduce the expense considerably for them as would Medicare Single Payer Insurance for all others of which both options should be open to all.

I say repeal the mandate STAT.

Then provide 3 choices: Put this to a vote and let patriotic citizens decide!

=== ObamaCare which retains the health insurance industry

=== Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage

=== Self financed health care

HR676/S703 Healthcare Reform Report Card http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

Can conservatives get on with this without screwing up healthcare? without a bunch of BS? and without throwing republicans and democrats under the bus? Apparently not.

Improved Medicare for All would substantially reduce health care costs (especially for low- and middle-income families), expand coverage, and improve access to care.

Under the Sanders program, virtually all medical bills in the United States would be paid by a single public agency using funds transferred from existing government health programs and from some new (mostly progressive) taxes.

By reducing administrative waste and negotiating for lower drug prices, the Sanders program would be able to reduce the growth in national health care spending, even while extending coverage to all and eliminating all premiums, copayments, and deductibles of the existing system.

Improved Medicare for All would reduce costs relative to the current system. (See Figure 1.)

The Sanders program would reduce national health care spending by increasing the efficiency of billing, reducing insurance-related costs, and negotiating lower drug prices. It would also incur additional expenses by covering the 30 million residents who are currently uninsured, by reducing the barriers to access to health care coming from premiums, deductibles, and copayments, and by raising reimbursement rates to physicians and hospitals.

Overall, there would be nearly $700 billion in savings the first year, partially offset by nearly $400 billion in additional spending, for a net effect of nearly $300 billion in savings relative to the current system.

The single-payer program produces two types of savings. (See Figure 3.)

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2016/0316friedman.html

Richard Heckler 1 month, 1 week ago

Big conservative dictating government get out of the way !!!

Bob Summers 1 month, 1 week ago

Animal fable the scorpion and the frog applies here.

"Angry". "Confronting". (Antagonism) is in the Liberal nature to do so.

It is just what they do.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 1 week ago

Yep, it sure is. We do what we have to do, especially when your kind wages class warfare. You and your Little Boy in the White House can dish it out plenty good, but when it comes to taking it, you both go all snowflake, and fast.

Randolf Fellows 1 month, 1 week ago

So, Bob, in this analogy you are the frog then? The frog who doesn't have healthcare because he thinks it would be some sort of communist conspiracy to figure out how to offer healthcare to all citizens and make it more affordable by taking corporate greed out of the equation? You are the frog who dies after being stung by the scorpion because only wealthy frogs get treatment? And the scorpion was the one trying to figure out how to make sure everyone is covered?

Bob Summers 1 month, 1 week ago

Here. Fellows and Mizumura. I'll help you out since the substance of your posts comprise Liberal fantasies.

Frog and Scorpion are both Liberals.

Thanks

Randolf Fellows 1 month, 1 week ago

Oh, that's right Bob, I forgot. You are the snowflake.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 month, 1 week ago

Now Trump wants to take meals away from home bound people. Meals on Wheels does more than help to feed the elderly, they are also human contact. Volunteers delivering meals may be the only human contact some of these people get. They are also the ones who might find a client in need of help. Or them might find that grandma has passed away, and wouldn't have been found until the weekend when the family visited. Of course, Trump and company could care less, because he wants to put the elderly to work anyway. Grandma needs a job, right? And anyone, anyone who voted and supports him is the same heartless, inhumane scum bag that he is. Own it.

Richard Heckler 1 month ago

So many of the elected officials are concerned about a few things.

  1. The ziillions of health care dollars being thrown at campaign cookie jars which of course could be better spent on health care. Imagine how many families could be covered with zillions of health care dollars.

  2. Their wall street portfolios with the aid of insider trading = sweet sweet payback. Imagine the endless dollars in payback that could be funneled into personal bank accounts after windfall from trillions in health care tax dollars which now is looking like $2 trillion dollars ANNUALLY.. Privatizing sucks.

  3. How in the world can taxpayers bring themselves to cut off obscene CEO pay packages that include obscene extreme retirement bonus packages. I remember one CEO that walked away with $73 million health care dollars as a retirement bonus. There are several thousand CEO's in addition to board members many of which are CEO's from other corporations. Privatizing sucks.

  4. How about that campaign against insurance reform and single payer that was being waged through the Chamber of Commerce at a rate of $1.4 million health care dollars a day flowing to capitol hill..... PRIVATIZING SUCKS.

Do we yet have a clue as to why health care cost increases are at such an alarming rate?

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