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GOP leaders now backing Moore, despite sexual misconduct allegations; ‘We need his vote’

Former Alabama Chief Justice and U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore during speaks during his election party, Tuesday, Sept. 26, 2017, in Montgomery, Ala.  (AP Photo/Brynn Anderson)

Former Alabama Chief Justice and U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore during speaks during his election party, Tuesday, Sept. 26, 2017, in Montgomery, Ala. (AP Photo/Brynn Anderson)

December 5, 2017


WASHINGTON — Republican leaders in Washington are coming to grips with the possibility — perhaps even probability — that Alabama's Roy Moore will win his special election next Tuesday and join them in the capital.

Looking past allegations of sexual misconduct with Alabama teenagers, President Donald Trump now has endorsed Moore, and the Republican National Committee quickly followed suit late Monday, announcing it was returning the support it had pulled last month.

Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell, who once called on Moore to get out of the race, changed his rhetoric over the weekend to say that it was Alabama voters who should decide.

The changed tone — and Trump's decision to do away with any facade of distancing himself from the race — make it clear they are increasingly confident in Moore's chances of victory despite the continued unease of some other Republicans.

The special election is next Tuesday for the seat once held by Jeff Sessions, now the U.S. attorney general. Although the polls have showed a narrowing contest with Democrat Doug Jones, Alabama is a strongly Republican state and Democrats generally have little chance there.

A Moore victory would set up a potential clash with fellow Republicans in Congress, some of whom have resoundingly called on him to quit the race. While some have softened their rhetoric recently, others have said they still will try to expel him if he is elected.

Buoyed by the taste of his own success in Congress as the Republican tax bill inches closer to passage, Trump telephoned Moore on Monday to offer encouragement as well as support and also argued in a pair of tweets that Moore's vote was badly needed to push the president's policies forward.

Weeks ago, when accusations of sexual misconduct with teenagers first surfaced, Trump's spokesman had said the president believed Moore would "do the right thing and step aside" if the allegations were true.

Top Republicans had vowed to expel him from the Senate if he wins. Publicly and privately, GOP leaders described the allegations against Moore as credible and insisted there were no circumstances under which he should serve in the Senate.

Moore's campaign was wounded by accusations this fall of sexual misconduct, decades ago, made by women who were then teenagers. One of the women alleges he initiated sexual contact when she was 14.

Moore has denied the allegations, saying "I do not know any of these women. I did not date any of these women I did not engage in any sexual misconduct with anyone."

Trump, who has repeatedly noted Moore's denials, took a more political stance on Monday.

"Democrats refusal to give even one vote for massive Tax Cuts is why we need Republican Roy Moore to win in Alabama," Trump tweeted. "We need his vote on stopping crime, illegal immigration, Border Wall, Military, Pro Life, V.A., Judges 2nd Amendment and more."

In that same vein, longtime Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby said Trump's endorsement didn't surprise him. He said of the president, "I think he's interested, a lot of us are, in the numbers, being a Republican."

And Sen. Orrin Hatch, who traveled with Trump on Monday to Hatch's home state of Utah, said he realistically didn't have any choice. Hatch said, of Moore, "That's the only Republican you can possibly get down there at this time."

Trump first appeared to back Moore after his first choice, Sen. Luther Strange, lost the GOP primary for the seat once held by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. But the president went silent after The Washington Post reported on the allegations of sexual misconduct with two teens, ages 14 and 16, and efforts to date several others while Moore was a local prosecutor in his 30s.

By late last month, however, with pressure mounting from his former chief strategist Steve Bannon and other corners of his base, Trump was making clear that he preferred Moore, raising doubts about the candidate's accusers and criticizing Democrat Jones as the "liberal puppet" of Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

Jones sidestepped questions about Trump's endorsement while suggesting the support of national Republicans like McConnell could do more harm than good in Alabama.

"Our campaign is going straight to the people of the Alabama because that's who my voters are. It's not the president, it's not Mitch McConnell," Jones told reporters outside a steel mill in suburban Birmingham. "Obviously Mitch McConnell has very little credibility in this state anyway, so I'm not worried about him at all."

Expelling a senator is no easy task. The Senate Ethics Committee would have to investigate, and a recommendation of expulsion could take years.


Louis Kannen 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Even though I've lived some distance from LarryVille and KU for many years, I still remember a long-held legal tenant from one of my Law courses there, "...innocent until proven guilty in/by a Court of Law" Moan and whine all you want, the Law is the Law.

Calvin Anders 6 months, 2 weeks ago

You are right about the law Louis. But this isn't about whether to lock up Roy Moore. It's about voters and politicians weighing the evidence and deciding whether or not they want to elect this guy to the US Senate. When one decides how to vote, one should look at the credibility of the accusers, the consistency of stories, the consensus of those who had information and the reaction of the accused and his spokespeople. And it looks pretty bad for old Roy. The accusers have strong, clear statements. There is corroboration from many in the community. And his defense is (direct quote from Moore) “I don’t remember dating any girl without the permission of her mother.” Do you really want to put your support behind this guy, Louis? Do you really think he is the right person to serve as a Senator? Because in the context of this discussion, your statement is essentially an endorsement of Moore's character. Do you really want to go there?

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Evidence - you mean the forged yearbook? That is all the evidence I need to know the allegations lack credibility.

Daniel Kennamore 6 months, 2 weeks ago

You're writing off his numerous allegations based on one piece of evidence?

I'm sure you'll extend the same ease of dismissal to the allegations of people you don't agree with politically, right?

Calvin Anders 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Careful Daniel, Brock is dismissing all these allegations because Moore and his lawyers CLAIM the yearbook is forged. If we point out to Brock that there are still an ample supply of other clear voiced accusers, it may seem that his dismissal of the yearbook is agreed to. Brock, I think your determination that the yearbook signature and note are a forgery isn't based on any evidence, but simply a rather weakly voiced denial. I also think it's stupid to dismiss a chorus of accusations based on skepticism about a single piece of corroborating material. The level of denial required to dismiss all of the voices who have chimed in with personal stories of specific abuse and stories about Roy's reputation in the community is staggering. I suppose I should congratulate you, Brock, on the steadfastness of your beliefs against overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Different ink color, signature doesn’t match, DA used when secretary was only one that signed with DA and Allred won’t have it analyzed for authenticity. It’s fake or Allred would have it analyzed to put the nail in his coffin.

Ralph Reed 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Better a pedophile than a Democrat.

How can people reconcile that? Oh, I know, go vote for the pedophile then go get absolution from their chosen RWNJ pastor.

Steve Hicks 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Thanks for your comment, Ralph. You've alerted me to a new denomination I'm seeing everywhere, but didn't know the name of. LOL.

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

One, by definition even if the allegation were true, he would not be a pedophile and two, better a Republican accused but not convicted or proven to be true of allegations than a democrat who believes in late term abortions and is anti-2nd amendment.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 2 weeks ago

And yet you all have tried and convicted Conyers on the word of the women who accused him. Let's see. What's the difference? Oh, yeah, their political party. Sexual harassment is non partisan. We women are out to get all of them. But I can tell you harassing teenagers and harassing grown women is a couple of degrees worse, and if she had gone to the police when it happened, he would never have been even a judge.

Calling all women. Quit being afraid. If you are a young woman or a teenager yell it out. Don't be intimidated. We've got your back.

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Conyers entered into a settlement to cover it up and he didn’t deny he did it. Big difference. Also, it isn’t a woman - it is multiple women.

However, if it was just allegations I wouldn’t call for his resignation I am consistent in my belief that allegations are jus allegations. Franken also didn’t deny he did it so it isn’t just allegations with him too.

Richard Aronoff 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Even without the women, Roy Moore is an ass. That being said, the people of Alabama will get the representation they deserve. And anyone who gave Bill Clinton a pass needs to sit down and shut up.

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Exactly, where are the calls for Franken to step down? The allegations against him have been proven.

Many allegations against Hillary when she was running - but no calls for her to drop out. No one should be forced to drop out over allegations - sure voters should consider them but that is it.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Here you go.

Oh and millions of tax dollars were spent trying to find some way to convict Clinton. She said through hours of testimony, without once evoking the 5th. She never once had to seek out a deal. Why? Because the only thing she was guilty of was using her private email server for government business. Not unlike several Republicans have. As for her husband, he was a jerk. She had to have a lot of those family values that you Republicans pretend to tout, to have stayed and fixed her marriage.

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Happened after I posted. Good for those calling for his resignation. As for Hillary it is a fact there were allegations, but no convictions. As for Moore it is a fact that there are allegations and no convictions. You voted for Hillary despite allegations and AL voters will do the same for Moore. You didn’t call for her resignation. Hold both to same standard.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I voted for Hillary, because there were all kinds of investigations over and over, and never anything. And believe me, the Republicans were trying really hard. And if you are comparing stalking teenagers to using your personal email for business, then you have serious moral problems.

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Oh Dot, you have such potential to be a voice for the other side, to bring a different perspective to the discussion, but you just can’t resist being juvenile and snarky can you?

Hillary has been accused of far more heinous acts than just her emails. Murders, racism, destroying rape victims and on and on. The point is these are just allegations without proof - I know it but point it out because there are those that treat Moore’s allegations as convictions.

Gary Stussie 6 months, 1 week ago

"Because the only thing she was guilty of was using her private email server for government business."

Dorothy you are being very casual about a serious issue. Having worked in the federal security arena for 50+ years I have seen careers adversely impacted because a hard working individual left a piece of Confidential material (lowest classification) on their desk, in a secure space on a Government facility.

Clinton had Top Secret (SCI) on a private server in the bathroom. SCI means Sensitive Compartmented Information ... it does not get any more sensitive than that.

She deleted 33,000 emails! Highly illegal! You can bet that this included any classified (or politically embarrassing) information that she originated. The reason she could not delete the one that were on her server was that they were originated by others and a record of their transmission would be on government servers.

"Never took the 5th" ... but said "I can't recall" about 85 times!

Consider this ... President Obama commuted the sentence of Army Pvt. Manning, cutting decades off her 35-year sentence for leaking classified information. Many of us in the security environment believe he did that, in part, to undermine the severity of HRC's misdeeds.

The whole thing stinks!

Greg Cooper 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Oh, so stopping this kind of behavior right now is not in the cards because Clinton got away with it? That makes perfect sense in the school yard, but not in adult life, Richard. When will you guys learn?

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

What the praise and honor heaped on Clinton says about the Moore calls for resignation by Dems is that it is just political so they lack serious consideration and garner support not opposition for Moore.

Want to be taken seriously? Then act with principle when it is your own and not just when it is the opposition.

Greg Cooper 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I agree. And you haven't herd or seen me call for anyone to resign, not run or anything else because of "allegations". What pisses me off is that Moore is not Senatorial material, even without the sexual innuendo being bandied about. He has shown himself to be disrespectful of American law and has been removed from positions of power for just that. Parading in a cowboy suit and brandishing a gun do not make him qualified for anything but a wild west show, let alone positions of trust in the government.

It is not justification for endorsing this clown because "we need his vote", especially when the vote they need upholds an egregious tax plan. He not either a conservative or a Republican, but the worst example of a thoughtful, caring, thinking human being.

LET ME BE CLEAR: I do not endorse or excuse anyone's exhibition of cruelty to any human group or individual. Is that clear enough? I also do not endorse hypocritical thinking, by either party, which says that is acceptable to engage in wrongheadedness simply and wholly because someone else did.

Kelly Anderson 6 months, 2 weeks ago

And this is a prime example of why most women keep their mouths shut when it comes to sexual assault. Makes me furious and sad at the same time that his vote is more important than his behavior towards women. sigh, typical unfortunately.

Steve Hicks 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It seems candidates for American offices should show they're qualified, at least as much as candidates for citizenship do. People who want to be citizens are required to show "good moral character," and pass a test on the principles of American government.

Moore, in belligerently defying court-orders while he was himself a state chief justice, seems unqualified (for citizenship or for office) on both requirements.

Bob Summers 6 months, 2 weeks ago

How can there be "sexual misconduct" when sexual self-identity is gospel?

Alex Landazuri 6 months, 2 weeks ago

those are two completely different topic bob, pretty sad attempt at misdirection or obfuscation

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 2 weeks ago

He tries and tries, but always fails at misdirection or obfuscation. But he keeps on doing it.

Greg Cooper 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I think it has to do with his DRD4 gene. you remember, the one that can be determined by amniocentesis? He can't help it, so be kind.

Paul Youk 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Because regardless of your respective self-identity, you still aren't allowed grab, grope, or sexually engage other people without their consent. And men in their 30s can't sexually engage 14 year olds at all, because--in addition to being perverse and wrong--14 year-olds aren't old enough to legally provide their own consent.

I used to think this was something that everyone understood, but it turns out that a bulk of conservatives apparently (and shockingly) don't. I'm happy to help clarify further if this is a difficult concept for you Bob.

Carol Bowen 6 months, 2 weeks ago

GOP priorities are showing. It's all about power. Principles be damned. Where are the real conservatives?

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

And what is the choice? Abandon Moore and elect a person who supports late term abortionsi, s anti-2nd amendment and will work against Trump on everything?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Oh come on Brock. Guns and abortion, guns and abortion. They can start a war in Korea and the Middle East, they can give the rich more and more tax breaks, they can take away your Social Security and Medicare (that we have been paying into for years), they can take away health care for children and pregnant women (CHIPS), but guns and abortion.

And you know that quite a few Trump supporters really hate Jones, because he convicted the KKK men who blew up the Birmingham church who killed those 4 little girls. It was ignored, and everyone wanted to keep it under the rug, but the jerks were finally brought to justice. And I could care less how much they pray to Jesus, they will pay in death too.

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

We all have our issues on which we base our votes. Abortion, except for late term abortions is not one of mine. Killing a viable baby is a diffferent class of abortion and one I cannot condone or accept. Do it early, but once the “fetus” can live outside the womb it is a baby and killing it, except when the mother’s life is in danger is wrong.

Greg Cooper 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Laudable, but the Regressive Party does not follow you in your beliefs.Most importantly, the spirit of compromise upon which our "two party" system is supposed to work has been hijacked by members of both parties, and, more importantly, millions who don't have a clue as to what their party really believes.

So, how do we fix that?

Brock Masters 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I left the GOP and no longer am affiliated with any party because as you said the party don’t follow me in my beliefs. I am pro rights, liberty and justice for all. This means I support issues like same sex marriage which puts me outside the GOP. I also am pro education, safety nets, helping the poor which makes me Dem-like, except I am for limiting immigration, pro-2nd amendment so I don’t really fit in with Dems.

I don’t know how to fix it since it has to require people thinking for themselves, doing research and paying attention.

Daniel Kennamore 6 months, 2 weeks ago

You may not be in the party officially, but when's the last time you voted for anyone other than a GOP representative for the federal gov't (Prez, House or Senate)?

Greg Cooper 6 months, 2 weeks ago

"I don’t know how to fix it since it has to require people thinking for themselves, doing research and paying attention."


Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 2 weeks ago

So why wouldn't you support Jones, if you lived in Alabama? Is it because you believe the lies coming out of Moore's campaign and form his wife, 14 years younger than him, who he noticed when she was 15?

Ray Mizumura 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Amen. Doug Jones is exactly what this country, or what's left of it, needs.

Gary Stussie 6 months, 2 weeks ago

GOP ... all about power? Did you sleep through the 2016 election?

Steve King 6 months, 2 weeks ago

What's getting buried in all of this is his record. Twice removed as a Judge. Said Gays should be jailed and Muslims can't serve in Congress.

Ken Lassman 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Can anyone spell "Faustian bargain?" The GOP current leadership seems to have a lifetime subscription to that company.

Cait McKnelly 6 months, 2 weeks ago

54% of white female voters voted for Trump.
51% of white female voters in Alabama are supporting Roy Moore.
As a white female, I think it's time these women and I had a talk.
If nothing else, the #metoo movement has shown that the vast, VAST majority of all women in this country have, at some point in their life, been sexually assaulted or molested. That includes these women. The fact that they can divorce that experience from their politics is a conundrum I simply can't wrap my head around. And do NOT use your "Christian values" as an excuse. Sexual assault is not a "Christian value".

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 2 weeks ago

This is going to irk the GOP and Trump. There are a lot of real men out there, but if you aren't a real man, look out. Democrat, Republican, rich, poor, keep you hands to your self and your pants on.

Louis Kannen 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Until any of these 'ACCUSATIONS' are proven in a COURT OF LAW, they are, and will always be, nothing but unproven 'ACCUSATIONS'. Last time I checked, we are still a Country that abides by a Democratic System of Laws. As I've already stated, if he's found guilty on even just one of the charges, boot his arse out the door.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 2 weeks ago

So you don't think that Franken or Conyer should resign? Oh and, unfortunately, there is still a statute of limitations on child molestation.

Cait McKnelly 6 months, 1 week ago

So you think the ENTIRE TOWN of Gadsden AL is lying? Nine women from there have made allegations. The Gadsden Mall banned Moore for creeping on teenage girls. He was banned from high school football games for creeping on cheerleaders. He was banned from the local YMCA's indoor pool for creeping on teens there. Why would they do these things if there weren't credible complaints? Can you answer that?

Geoff Ermlap 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Trump admitted on video that he sexually assaults women but was voted into office. All the people hiding behind the "innocent until proven guilty" lose their argument eventually. I think moral fiber and character should over rule any excuses made for people committing sexual assault. Persons who commit sexual crimes can't hide behind "Oh, I never admitted it therefore it didn't happen"

Richard Heckler 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Why would any party support Roy Moore? Roy Moore is among the larger number of Libertarian/Fundamentalist wing nuts that subverted the GOP through big spending covert activity = Roy Moore is masquerading as a republican.

These libertarian,fundamentalist wing nuts are neither fiscally responsible nor fiscally conservative = reckless spenders of the nations tax dollars. According to some national publications Roy Moore from all indications has some extremely well know history of immoral behavior.

Want to talk about sexual harassment? Let's do.

Yes there is a lot of activity in the news regarding sexual harassment. It is good thinking to take a closer look at the issue in order to document the many sources of sexual harassment. How pervasive is the issue?


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  2. The Contraception Coverage Debate

  3. Intensifying Attacks on Choice

  4. Stopping the Violence Against Women Act

  5. Fighting Equal Pay Laws

  6. Conclusion


It seems to me the conservatives blew $53 million tax dollars investigating the sex life of Bill Clinton. That is not a free pass.

BTW there has been plenty of news coverage over the years of conservative elected officials and a few preachers treating themselves to prostitutes while attending political gatherings in the DC area.

Richard Heckler 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Reckless spenders those conservatives absolutely......

But the way officials are proceeding demands closer scrutiny. Corrections officials appear to be in too big a rush to award the contract to a politically connected firm proposing a more costly construction option. Also, those officials aren’t considering whether the facility would meet the state’s long-term needs.

Lo and behold, it turns out that CoreCivic has employed two of Gov. Sam Brownback’s former aides as lobbyists. David Kensinger is a former Brownback campaign manager. George Stafford is a long-time fundraiser. The governor’s office has denied any involvement in the process.

Also troubling, committee members said, was the department’s failure to engage other stakeholders in this important decision. The state Sentencing Commission should be involved. So should officials from the state’s mental health universe. Otherwise, legislators said, the new facility could be obsolete within a few years of its opening.

Read more here:

Louis Kannen 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Franken and Conyer have admitted to wrongdoing...obviously they should resign. In contrast, Roy Moore has categorically and consistently denied the ALLEGATIONS lodged against him. To the point of redundancy, I repeat, "As I've already stated, if he's found guilty on even just one of the charges, boot his arse out the door" Until then, your opinionated opinion is just that, an opinion lacking any Legal validity.

Gary Stussie 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Getting a little confusing. Latest accuser of Franken says he put his arm around her waist for a picture and squeezed her waist ...twice!

Ken Lassman 6 months, 2 weeks ago


So do you really doubt Roy's accusers? Do you really doubt that he locked the doors of the car on a 16 year old and stopped trying to have sex with her after she cried and cried? You deny that he drank alcohol with girls who were knowingly underaged? You deny the report that he took off everything but his underpants with a 14 year old and forced her to feel him up? Why do you think his version of these events--outright denial that he even did them--is more accurate, when his "activities" were so commonly known that he was banned from coming to certain places because of his predatory behaviors?

And it has never been about the legal cases that could be made in these cases that happened decades ago, any more than Al Franken's behaviors being legal or illegal from way back when. The main issue is whether someone like that deserves to represent Alabamans in the halls of the Senate, and more importantly, whether a Senator with such a well documented history can be trusted since he flatly denies his own history. Moderate conservative David Brooks has an interesting take on all of this:

Gary Stussie 6 months, 2 weeks ago

"doubt Roy's accusers?" "well documented history" ?... are you clairvoyant?

Is it wrong to be skeptical about accusations that have come out weeks before a pivotal national-level election? Apparently it is important enough for outside interests to spend 10's of millions of dollars on.

I'm not defending Moore but I can't help but wonder why these accusations did not come out during the numerous elections Moore had been involved with in the last 40 years?

The people of Alabama put their women folk on a pretty high pedestal. I suspect if one of these accusers had told their father about these goings-on, Roy Moore would have been hospitalized.

Sexual harassment/unwanted Sexual Advance accusations will be the "go to" political tool moving forward.

Ken Lassman 6 months, 1 week ago

I see no reason for claims to have come out any earlier than they did simply because of the harsh criticism and even career-ending threats that accompany practically every woman who tried to do so, at least until recently. Anita Hill paid a very high price for bringing up her claims against Clarence Thomas, but the high price for bringing up such allegations go back much further than that. Grover Cleveland fathered an illegitimate child which he had put up for adoption and committed the woman to an insane asylum. Even Monica Lewinsky had her life turned upside down and while she's landed on her feet, it's taken decades to do that. Do you really want me to add to this list? Let me know and I can lengthen it considerably.

So if you're not defending Moore, and there's some pretty compelling reasons for women to have kept quiet in Alabama about the moves an up-an-coming attorney made on them, then there's really no more to say, is there? Except that with everything that Roy Moore has to lose, why is his word more believable than the list of women and the community's knowledge that has become public about his "preferences?"

Steve Hicks 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The best word I've heard on the Moore thing was actually said about the resignation last April of the previous governor of Alabama, Robert Bentley.

Bentley won office in 2014 ( for a second term) by the largest gubernatorial majority in modern Alabama history. He very much (like Moore) trumpeted his deeply-held "Christian values" as his political principles.

After a year-long investigation by the Ethics Commission of Alabama's almost-entirely "conservative" Republican House of Representatives, probable cause was found that Bentley violated ethics and campaign-finance laws.

Bentley pled guilty to two counts of campaign-finance violations, and resigned. It came out that he was funding his extra-marital affair with one of his political advisers.

A long-time Republican Alabama state-legislator said of governor Bentley what probably exactly applies to all "Christian-values" hypocrites:

"When you ride a white horse, you gotta stay out of the mud."

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