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Kansas Republicans hold to hard-right stance; ACLU and League of Women Voters ‘communists,’ Kobach says

U.S. Sen. Jerry Moran speaks at the Kansans for Life prayer breakfast at the state Republican Party convention on Feb. 20, 2016. KFL issued early endorsements for Moran and all four U.S. House members from Kansas.

U.S. Sen. Jerry Moran speaks at the Kansans for Life prayer breakfast at the state Republican Party convention on Feb. 20, 2016. KFL issued early endorsements for Moran and all four U.S. House members from Kansas.

February 20, 2016

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— The Kansas Republican Party held firm to its hard-right stance on social issues during its state convention this weekend as various officials gave speeches railing against Planned Parenthood, same-sex marriage, the Kansas Supreme Court, the Obama administration and even the League of Women Voters.

The convention came just two weeks before Republican voters in the state will vote in the March 5 caucuses to make their choice for a presidential nominee. And while some of the presidential campaigns sent surrogates to speak on their behalf, the real focus was on upcoming races for the Kansas Legislature.

"Help them out because the national left doesn’t like what we’ve done in Kansas. So the next target will be getting at these state legislators," Gov. Sam Brownback said. "You really need to get out and help them."

One of the biggest events of the day Saturday was the annual Kansans for Life prayer breakfast, which drew attendance from dozens of legislators and the state's entire congressional delegation.

U.S. Sen. Jerry Moran speaks at the Kansans for Life prayer breakfast at the state Republican Party convention on Feb. 20, 2016. KFL issued early endorsements for Moran and all four U.S. House members from Kansas.

U.S. Sen. Jerry Moran speaks at the Kansans for Life prayer breakfast at the state Republican Party convention on Feb. 20, 2016. KFL issued early endorsements for Moran and all four U.S. House members from Kansas.

At the event, KFL announced it had issued early endorsements backing Sen. Jerry Moran and all four U.S. House members for re-election, boasting that Kansas has the most pro-life delegation in the country, with all six members scoring a perfect 100 percent on abortion-related issues.

But it may have been Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach who caused the most stir by labeling the American Civil Liberties Union and the League of Women Voters as "communists" for challenging the proof-of-citizenship voting law he championed in 2011.

Speaking to a committee of 2nd Congressional District delegates, Kobach said: "The ACLU and their fellow communist friends, the League of Women Voters — you can quote me on that, the communist League of Women Voters — the ACLU and the communist League of Women Voters sued," Kobach said, making sure that reporters in the room heard him.

He was referring to a lawsuit filed this month in federal court in Washington, D.C., challenging new federal voter registration forms issued by the Election Assistance Commission that now require voters in Kansas and two other states to show proof of citizenship in order to register.

"And get this," Kobach said. "We just heard through back channels, the Department of Justice met with this federal agency, met with the Kansan who heads this federal agency, tried to brow-beat them into changing their mind, and when they said they wouldn’t change their mind, the Department of Justice said we’re not going to defend a federal agency."

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach rallied fellow Republicans at the party&squot;s state convention, calling the American Civil Liberties Union and the League of Women Voters "communists," and urging them to vote against retaining five Kansas Supreme Court justices.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach rallied fellow Republicans at the party's state convention, calling the American Civil Liberties Union and the League of Women Voters "communists," and urging them to vote against retaining five Kansas Supreme Court justices.

Kobach announced he would travel to Washington on Monday and file a request to intervene in that case.

Kobach also drew laughter and applause when he launched into criticism of the Kansas Supreme Court and urged Republicans to vote against four of the five justices on the court who are up for retention in 2016.

"The message is, vote no on those justices," he said. But he urged them to keep the one justice who was appointed by Brownback, Caleb Stegall, of Lawrence, describing him as "the only conservative on the court" and the "one justice on the court who stands completely above criticism."

Attorney General Derek Schmidt also spoke to district committees, saying it was important to elect a Republican president this year in order to stop what he said were the excesses of the Obama administration.

"Their goal is to cram as much legacy as they can into federal rules, regulations and agency actions over the next 11 months to make it as long and difficult as possible for us, should the voters hire us going forward, to undo errors they have made," he said. "This is a huge deal."

Schmidt's office is currently involved in three multistate lawsuits challenging the Obama administration over clean air regulations to reduce carbon emissions and combat global warming, clean water regulations that extend the reach of regulations into smaller streams and ponds, and efforts to allow some 4 million undocumented immigrants to stay in the United States.

State Rep. Mark Kahrs, right, R-Wichita, defeated Johnson County businessman Chad Bettes Saturday to become the Kansas Republican Party's next national committeeman. Kahrs pledged to be unbending in defense of the state party's opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage.

State Rep. Mark Kahrs, right, R-Wichita, defeated Johnson County businessman Chad Bettes Saturday to become the Kansas Republican Party's next national committeeman. Kahrs pledged to be unbending in defense of the state party's opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage.

Later in the day, the party got down to the business of the convention when the 182-member state committee voted to elect state Rep. Mark Kahrs as one of the party's representatives to the Republican National Committee, succeeding former Congressman Todd Tiahrt, who did not seek another term on the national committee.

"I want to serve at the RNC to represent the values, the Christian Coalition values that the state of Kansas represents, especially on social policy," Kahrs said. "I will fight vigorously for our pro-life plank, and I will fight vigorously for the sanctity of marriage at the national level. There’s an internal battle within the Republican Party on that issue, and I will not waver, and I will not bend on that issue."

Kahrs defeated Johnson County businessman Chad Bettes, 103-79, to win the position.

Bettes is a marketing and public relations consultant now working for his family's roofing and siding company. Until last summer, he was a senior associate at the Singularis Group, a GOP consulting firm that was actively involved in campaigns for conservative Republicans who unseated moderate GOP state senators in the 2012 primaries, giving control of the Senate to conservatives.

Kansas Democrats will get their chance to rally their troops and craft their 2016 campaign message when they gather in Topeka on Feb. 26-27 for their own state convention.

Comments

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

Kobach is a nazi Hitler style ........

Prescott Bush .... yes that close Bush relative to GHW,Jeb,GW and Neil sold weapons to Hitler which brought the closing of his bank for un-Amercan Activities.

GHW,Jeb,GW and Neil Bush have dirty laundry regarding home loans and taking economies down the tubes.

Fred Koch, yes the father to the Koch boys trying to over throw the USA, built a refinery for Hitler.

And the entire Kansas capitol hill delegation are tied closely to American Legislative Exchange Council campaign dollars.

Michael Kort 1 year, 2 months ago

There were also refineries engineered for Stalin & Molotov in Communist Russia, in 1929-1931, which is where he made his money, to found his US Empire .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_C._Koch

I figured that Fred KOCHS' writings on the evils of Comunism were just a political way of excusing his former employment by the Russians, engineering the building of numerous oil refineries there in the 30s, with his pronouncements coming at the height of the 60s Cold War .

It was maybe a decade after Stalins death, that Fred Koch started his public pronouncements against communism, with the U S and The Soviet Union locked in Cold War contests everywhere,..... which was a poor time to have any former business history with the COMMUNIST Russians;.....and Stalin, who had a world wide merderous reach while alive, was 10 years ( or so ) dead . Safe to speak up !

He probably would have been killed, even in the U S, if Stallin was still alive because the KGB under Stalin, had serious reach for Stalins political enemies .

This is also a story of what happens to a bright oil engineer, who had big ideas, that U S big oil didn't favor, as Fred Koch was wrongly run out of the US oil engineering scene, prior to his turning to foriegn employment, by being sued falsely 44 times over patents in this country ( they turned him into an "oil engineer without a country", because he couldn't work in the U S, at all, at that point because his better systems were a threat to the refining systems that big oil had already had invested in )

Everybody explains the world based on how they perceive it,.......but also based on how they perceive themselves....for right or for wrong.......which is sometimes a mix of all sorts of things "other and personal".

Luke Fawcett 1 year, 2 months ago

Great article. If you live in Kansas I hope Brownbeck's pals go down in bitter defeat.

Michael Kort 1 year, 2 months ago

If Hitler claimed to be a German "socialist" and Stalin claimed to be a Russian "communist", who (?) would fail to realize the truth....that both of these guys were really just PARANOID DICTATORS WHO USED POLITICAL IDEAS AND VIOLENCE TO CONTROL STUPID SCARED PEOPLE TO THEIR OWN MURDEROUS ENDS ?

They could have been claiming to be capitalists, for all that it matters,..... and have killed as many people each, as they did with other political names, games and ideologies .

I have no favorite form of INSANE DICTATOR !.....obsessed with one form or other of their own personal power .

Social concern ( and expense for others. ) does not automatically lead, to one being a world class evil dictator.......if that we so, then "love thy neighbor, as thy self", would make JESUS into a big time evil doer dictator,.....on the scale of Hitler or Stalin ?!

Social conscern can be manipulated;......but so can selfish concern......or religiously driven extremisms........a favorite of Kansas politicians .

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 2 months ago

Communist Russia was considered no threat during that time period and was, in fact, an ally of the US during WW II. It wasn't until the rise of the Cold War in the early fifties that "Communism" became a dirty word. Kobach's tactics are a worthy reminder of 1950's style McCarthyism. As for Fred Koch, he was a committed Fascist (and I mean that literally). He founded the John Birch Society to bring Fascism to America and promote it. Charles Koch, despite his recent rumblings about being a "Libertarian", is no more of a Libertarian than the Pope. He founded the Cato Institute on the bones of the John Birch Society and trust me, it's no "libertarian" think tank. It's a Fascist boot camp and thanks to his daddy, Charlie has been a corporatist his entire life. He doesn't want "small government", he just wants to run it and the voters of Kansas have handed it to him.

Joseph Harrison 1 year, 2 months ago

Right....That is why some of the top Generals thought we should do something about Russia at the end of WWII, because they were not considered a threat.

Early in WWII they were considered a problem.

Don Jensen 1 year, 2 months ago

Richard explains the Nazi ties very well yet you accuse him of being 180 degrees wrong with no explanation. If you're going to call someone out as being wrong, you might want to explain why otherwise your post is meaningless. Perhaps you should just let the adults talk.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

Why don't you explain Nazi to us, Larry. Are you a Holocaust denier too?

Tom Thompson 1 year, 2 months ago

What you say is true, but the average Kansan has no idea about the real political/ideological leanings of the republicans in power here. All they see is their own narrow, bigoted view of wanting an all-white, all-Christian state, and they are willing to vote for anyone who might give them some semblance of that.

Michael Kort 1 year, 2 months ago

So, Caleb Stegall is the only Supreme Court judge that "Danger Man" Kris Kobach, wants to retain on the Supreme Court ? What a joke !!!!

Stegall needs a second head,...to hold all of the nonsense, that he has in his first one !

He's a Koch Puppet judge, who had never even been a traffic court judge, before brownie elevated him twice, and into the Supreme Court, where he is "their man".

So, according toy "Danger Man" Kris Kobach, he says that he is single handedly defending all of Kansas, from the Communists Plots of,......the "ACLU" ......& ......"THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS" !

Well, I'll sure look under my bed tonight for Commies !!! They are everywhere ! They are everywhere ! Let's all panic at once;..... because FASCISM is threatened, by being such a lame idea, to begin with, that it must depend on brainwashed religious nut-wings to keep it rolling !

"Danger Man" Kris Kobach is also fighting the threat from within, when it comes to prosecuting older Re-Publican voters, who double vote......but so far, hasn't prosecuted a single foreigner for illegal Kansas voting ! Catch any COMMIES ? No MEXICANS ? LITTLE GREEN MEN FROM MARS ?

But he has managed to keep 35,000 people from being able to vote in Kansas !!! Now that's democracy at work ?! What A Man ?!, What A Man ?!

Well, we can all sleep soundly tonight ?!......BECAUSE THE LOONIES ARE OBVIOUSLY IN CONTROL & RUNNING THE TOPEKA GOVERNMENTAL ASYLEM !!!!

Not to fear about global warming and the eminent destruction of the oceans and it's creatures, as coal fired CO2 is absorbed from out of the air & lowers the oceans PH into the more acidic realms; .....because the State Of Kansas is going to fight for just that,.....for you !

Those fish are probably COMMUNISTS, anyway, swimming in American waters ( within 200 miles of our shores ) in order to spy on us and report to Moscow ! Or Obama !

You can depend on Ks States Officials, to help polluters sterilize the oceans, so that you & your children, can live in "interesting times"; a true legacy of accomplishment for you and yours in Kansas .

Steve King 1 year, 2 months ago

Second that Michael. If the words "purging voter rolls" doesn't smell like Mother Russia I don't know what does.

Michael Kort 1 year, 2 months ago

Yea;.....or Nazi Germany ! Hitler could have used some of these Re-Publican tricksters .

Alex Landazuri 1 year, 2 months ago

i think they should plan on doing when they get voted out of office....

Chris Mulgrew 1 year, 2 months ago

Mighty big talk for a pasty who's policies are a miserable failure. Party on, dudes.

Buzz Anderson 1 year, 2 months ago

Lessee here. Kansas is rapidly flushing itself down the toilet. Wages are low, teachers are leaving, jobs are leaving, the budget is in serious crisis and all they are worried about is labeling anyone against them as communists?

You people in Kansas get what you deserve. A state nearing bankruptcy

Budget shortfalls because the idiot gov and his cronies in the courts and legislature believe no taxes should be the law as though everyone is going to just work for free or close to it. That schools don't really need supplies OR TEACHERS.Highways don't need to be paid for to be repaired they can self-repair.

http://fox4kc.com/2015/11/12/kansas-teacher-shortage-continues-to-get-worse/

Teachers are bailing at unprecedented rates.Every news article points to the idiocy of the gov and his cronies to busy kissing up to big business. Schools are closing.

Roads and infrastructure are losing hundreds of millions to cover the tax breaks for the rich in Kansas.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article50878725.html

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article9359009.html

The budget is in crisis. The state is verging on collapse while it plays hide and seek with funds. And few people pay taxes anymore due to a loophole in the law passed by the idiots running Kansas.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-20/taxpayers-call-themselves-businesses-as-kansas-tax-plan-founders

The police are running out of money (but not enough to stop arresting lowlevel pot smokers by the droves) and patrols are being cut back. The police are reverting to asking for private funds to keep operating.

AND THESE IDIOTS ARE WORRIED ABOUT ABORTION????? Or keeping democrats from voting?

Yeah Kansas you voted these idiots in you get to watch your state hit the skids and all because you hate the dems, abortion and think you are going to lose your precious popguns. Idiot republican voters.

Melinda Henderson 1 year, 2 months ago

I posted this message on Mr. Kobach's FB page tonight. You can find out more about our local League here: http://lawrenceleague.com

As a proud member of the League of Women Voters of Lawrence/Douglas County, League of Women Voters of Kansas, and League of Women Voters of the U.S., I was shocked, stunned and dismayed to hear you refer to us as "communists". Why on earth would you think the League is "communist"? Do you think it's just funny, or do you really believe that? Do you really think it's becoming of you to speak so ill of a NON-PARTISAN grassroots organization that has worked for nearly a century (we just celebrated out 96th birthday on Valentine's Day) to educate and register voters and make democracy work? As my Secretary of State, I am asking you for an apology to all League members everywhere. You can learn more about us here: http://lwv.org/

Michael Kort 1 year, 2 months ago

Your good name has been slandered......how rude & pointless......but would anyone want "DANGER MAN" Kris Kobach, saying anything nice about them ??????........not!!!!!

I'm sure that Kris Kobach & his Re-Publican insults, will only improve the publics perception of The League Of Women Voters ( LWV ) as the Re-Publicans only go after "fair minded, sane individuals ".

Obviously, LWV doesn't fit the needed requirements, to be a good little "fascists mouth piece group", that is manipulatable fby "Kobachs & his agenda".

Next, Kris "DANGER MAN" Kobbach, will lay on the floor and kick his feet while screaming !

LWV members have got real Intelligence, that is beyond the brainwashing control of these belly creeping, lower life forms that have no class .

I'm sure that the general public appreciatesthe good work of The League Of Women Voters and wishes you continued successes !

Steve Jacob 1 year, 2 months ago

I know the ACLU is an easy target, but you don't mess with the League of Women Voters. From what little I know this is a fine organization that educates voters and registers a lot of voters.

Kate Rogge 1 year, 2 months ago

What can we expect from an administration (and its underlying Bircher anti-government ideology) that declares public schools and public school teachers as the Enemy? We're ground zero for the Kochs, and they are winning.

Cheryl Nelsen 1 year, 2 months ago

Thank you, Melinda. I saw this on Kobach's page before I read your comment here. I also reposted your comment on my Facebook page because I figure your comment and mine will be deleted from Kobach's Facebook page. Kobach already removed my husband's comments from yesterday.

Eric Rasmusen 1 year, 2 months ago

The League of Women Voters is no longer nonpartisan. It takes positions on many issues, including abortion and divorce law. See

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/5/16/league-of-women-voters-arent-nonpartisan/

Bob Forer 1 year, 2 months ago

Kobach is an absolute fool. He wouldn't recognize a communist if one bit him on the behind.

Bob Forer 1 year, 2 months ago

What the hell is Kobach doing traveling all the way to D.C. on the taxpayers' dime to file a motion to intervene?Motions can be filed electronically.

Bob Forer 1 year, 2 months ago

Hitler also came to power by ranting about the communist threat. Hitler took it one step further by calling germany's alleged enemies "Jewish Communists."

ACLU communist? That's a laugh. The National Lawyers Guild was founded because the ACLU refused to defend the civil liberties of the old American Left.

And The League of Woman Voters? Comprised mostly of nice middle class folks with a centrist to liberal political bent. Mostly middle aged and older, with a lot of church going people. They are hardly radicals; just decent ordinary Americans.

They are trying to demonize ordinary people. Very off-the-wall. And somewhat scary. I feel badly for my moderate Republican friends.

Melinda Henderson 1 year, 2 months ago

So I take it you're not all that familiar with the membership composition of the League these days. Why not join the local chapter and get to know them. http://lawrenceleague.com/JoinUs.html

Bob Forer 1 year, 2 months ago

You missed my point. I will leave it at that. tha

Melinda Henderson 1 year, 2 months ago

We'll call it even, as you missed my point as well.

Bob Forer 1 year, 2 months ago

What the hell is this bat dung crazy idiot talking about? "The National Left doesn't like" what is being done in Kansas? LOL!!! Kansans don,t like what is being done in Kansas. Dear leader Brownshirt has an approval rating among Kansans of slightly more than 15 percent--the lowest approval rating of all 50 current governors. In fact, Obama's approval rating in Kansas is more than double of Brownshirt.

Kobach want's to be our next governor. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

It's like they are living in a bubble. But look at their social issues. They are going to pull people in with those, then stab them in the back. And the hypocritical prayer meeting? Who were they praying to? Satan? Money? Greed?

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

No Debate: How the Republican and Democratic Parties Secretly Control the Presidential Debates (through a private corporation)

The League of Women Voters served as a genuinely nonpartisan presidential debate sponsor from 1976 until 1984. The League courageously included popular independent candidates and prohibited the major-party campaigns from manipulating debate formats.

In 1980, for example, the League invited independent candidate John B. Anderson to participate in a presidential debate, even though President Jimmy Carter adamantly refused to debate him.

Rather than acquiesce to the President’s objections, the League hosted a debate between Anderson and Republican nominee Ronald Reagan that attracted over 55 million viewers.



Four years later, the Republican and Democratic campaigns vetoed 68 of the moderators proposed by the League to pose questions during the first debate.

The League held a press conference and lambasted the campaigns for having "totally abused" the process. As a result of the ensuing public outcry, the campaigns accepted all of the League's proposed moderators for the next debate.

And in 1988, the George Bush and Michael Dukakis campaigns drafted the first secret debate contract -- a "Memorandum of Understanding" that dictated who could participate and under what conditions. The League refused to implement the contract and issued a blistering press release, stating that "the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter."

It is precisely because the League had the courage to resist the demands of the major-party candidates that the CPD was created. The Republican and Democratic parties would not tolerate a debate sponsor that insisted on challenging formats or the inclusion of third-party candidates.

In 1986, the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee ratified an agreement "for the parties to take over presidential debates." In 1987, the chairs of the Republican and Democratic parties incorporated the CPD. In 1988, the CPD seized control of the presidential debates from the League and has sponsored every presidential debate since.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/2/no_debate_how_the_republican_and

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

Planned Parenthood itself estimates it prevents more than 620,000 unintended pregnancies each year, and 220,000 abortions.

It’s also worth noting that federal law already forbids Planned Parenthood from using the funds it receives from the government for abortions.

So though the fight over Planned Parenthood might be about abortion, Planned Parenthood itself isn’t about abortion. It’s primarily about contraception and reproductive health.

And if Planned Parenthood loses funding, what will mainly happen is that cancer screenings and contraception and STD testing will become less available to poorer people. Folks with more money, of course, have many other ways to receive all these services, and tend to get them elsewhere already.

The fight also isn’t about cutting spending. The services Planned Parenthood provides save the federal government a lot of money.

It’s somewhat cold to put it in these terms, but taxpayers end up bearing a lot of the expense for unintended pregnancies among people without the means to care for their children.

The same goes for preventable cancers and sexually transmitted diseases such as HIV/AIDS. You can find a lot more information about Planned Parenthood and its services here. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-info

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/what-planned-parenthood-actually-does/2011/04/06/AFhBPa2C_blog.html

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 2 months ago

Whether people realize it or not, Kansas has become the perfect minature Fascist state. It's not "small government". On the contrary, it's the rule of the government by the corporations and corporatism has ALWAYS been at odds with labor. It's not working any better here than it did in Italy.

Bob Summers 1 year, 2 months ago

Kobach has got it totally wrong. Fragmented thinking at best.

ACLU, League of Women voters, and many other categories are Liberals first. Members of the various categories, groups, have the Liberal condition.

communists is one of many taxonomic subsets of the Liberal genus.

Look it up.

Christopher Roesel 1 year, 2 months ago

"Communist" requires espousing certain beliefs and policies and joining certain organizations. I understand how this could be too complex for some to understand. An alternative might be to just tell people you don't agree with that they are going to Hell. Why not? When one is engaging in respectful exchanges of information and points of view, why not just explain that the other person is damned by God and going to Hell? What is not respectful about that?

Let me reply. None of it is respectful. It is at the level of 3-year-old name-calling, even calling others names you don't know the meaning of.

Evert Robinson 1 year, 2 months ago

I personally think the far right and far left are toxic to us. They both represent extremes and damage our freedoms and threaten our constitution. Both are facist. The far right would replace the contitution with the bible and the far left would make us into a socialist monarchy beholden to government. I grew up in the 1950-1970's. I can tell you first hand how much the church dictated to us. Look back and you will see classes of people that were not allowed to live in certain areas,attend upperclass schools,get premium jobs. They did all of this by proxy thru the chambers of law and community perception of right and wrong. If you were a god fears person attached to the right church the world was open to you.If not you were second tier and damaged goods. Women were treated as lesser then men and a divorced women was marked for life.....but not the male. I could go on and on for hours showing you actual life choices made for us by the church for their benifit not ours. I have also had the luck to spend time in communist,socialist and monarchies lands. These three have alot in common. First they take total control of every aspect of your life from cradle to the grave. To some this is a blessing but to many it is oppression. The government controls everything. To this day we have not had one utopia where any of these were used. They tax,regulate and burden every enity in it's structure. There is no freewill and a total lose of self identity.

Kate Rogge 1 year, 2 months ago

The League of Women Voters of Lawrence-Douglas County: http://lawrenceleague.com/JoinUs.html

Annual Program Planning meeting on Sunday, February 28, 2016, 4-6 pm, Lawrence Library, Meeting room B, 707 Vermont Street, Lawrence, KS 66044

This meeting is open to all League members, so please join us! Because democracy is not a spectator sport.

And see also, the League of Women Voters of Kansas web site for information regarding 'League Day at the Capitol' this Thursday, February 25: http://www.lwvk.org/calendar.html

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

Thanks, Kate. I've always said I should join this group, but just haven't gotten around to it. My check will be in the mail today!!!

Ken Lassman 1 year, 2 months ago

Totally agree. Why not take the Kobach faux pas as a Westboro Church protest fundraising moment? You know, every time the Westboro protesters went to Lawrence High School, people would pledge to donate to the school Gay-Straight Alliance X amount of money for every minute that the protesters stayed. I think they have raised a boatload of money that way.

In this spirit, I think it's good to encourage everyone to celebrate Kobach's misapplication of the "communist" label to the ACLU and the LWV as a promt to join these fine groups! Below are links to very reasonable membership deals for each organization, each of which have done some really excellent work in terms of informing voters of the issues and protecting our voting rights. Here are the links to join, but check out their websites to see all of the good work they are doing too, in case you need other reasons besides reacting to Kobach as an excuse to support them:

http://lawrenceleague.com/JoinUs.html

http://aclukansas.org/contact/join-the-aclu/

Melinda Henderson 1 year, 2 months ago

Thank you so much, Ken! And League will happily take contributions if one doesn't want to actually join.

William Weissbeck 1 year, 2 months ago

And which begat which: the Kobachs of the world or the Trumps? Kobach is very much like Trump. Can he ever say anything that is so over the top that the electorate would turn away from him? So far it's a tough call for both. Idiots seem to be in abundance.

Charles Gruber 1 year, 2 months ago

"It's not who gets the votes but who COUNTS the votes."~Joe Stalin.

"Kobach is a self-deluded idiot"~Barbara Bush

"Kobach has his pants and priorities on backwards"~Doug Gottlieb

"If my dog had policies like Kobach, I'd shave her butt and make her walk backwards"~Anonymous

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of 'Liberalism', they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation without knowing how it happened. I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform."

Norman Thomas, Socialist Leader and Presidential Candidate, in NINETEEN FORTY FOUR

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

Snopes is a notoriously left wing "Trooth soarse"

Its true.

You fail

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

--Roger Nash Baldwin, founder of the ACLU

William Weissbeck 1 year, 2 months ago

Check you history. Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter was a founder of the ACLU. Frankfurter was a moderate to conservative on most issues.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

Don't confuse Larry with facts. He wants nothing to do with anyone who defends the constitution.

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

Do I know you? You have no business acting like you do. It makes you look like a child

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

"Do steer away from making it look like a Socialist enterprise. Too many people have already gotten the idea that it is nine-tenths a Socialist movement... We want also to look like patriots in everything we do. We want to get a good lot of flags, talk a good deal about the Constitution and what our forefathers wanted to make of this country, and to show that we are really the folks that really stand for the spirit of our institutions"

Roger Nash Baldwin, founder of the ACLU

Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 year, 2 months ago

And I thought that I was he only "blowing in the wind fool" who was comparing what is happening today in the Republican Party to the methods that Hitler used. He managed to fool the German People into accepting the Nazi party as the savior of Germany after the chaos that existed in Germany after World War One.

We know where that went.

And the influence of Donald Trump, the darling of the great unwashed of our society, is leaching into the Secretary of State of Kansas (already known as a fascist fool in Kansas) In a decent and ordered society, this outrageous behavior would constitute grounds for impeachment immediately. But in today's debauched and uncivil society, it fits wonderfully well. You folks voted for these fools. You enabled the Koch Industries Regime who was flooding the airwaves with attack ads on opposing candidates. You elected these people

Live in the swamp with them. How do you like these Nazi fascist Republicans now?????

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

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Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

Corey--see there is this new thing called the INTERNET---even YOU can find em!

I already red them so-----Happy hunting!

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

And everyone knows that everything on the internet is true, right?

Corey Williams 1 year, 2 months ago

but I've already been suckered by Snopes, or so you say, so please, enlighten the group

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood--book is Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co.

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

On blacks, immigrants and indigents: "...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."

Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood , book is Pivot of Civilization

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities: "More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, Birth Control Review,

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned parenthood

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

Adolf Hitler - Dictator of Nazi Germany "The demand that defective people be prevented from propagating equally defective offspring. . . represents the most humane act of mankind." Mein Kampf, vol. 1, ch. 10

Margaret Sanger - Founder of Planned Parenthood ". . .we prefer the policy of immediate sterilizarion, of making sure that parenthood is ' absolutely prohibited ' to the feeble-minded." The Pivot of Civilization, p102

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

"The danger to the community of the unsegregated feeble-minded woman is more evident. Most dangerous are the middle and high grades living at large who, despite the fact that their defect is not easily recognizable, should nevertheless be prevented from procreation. . . In my view we should act without delay." Dr Ernst Rudin, Head of Eugenics for Third Reich

Compare that to:

". . .there is sufficient evidence to lead us to believe that the so-called 'borderline cases' are a greater menace than the out-and-out "defective delinquents" who can be supervised, controlled and prevented from procreating their kind."

Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization. Brentano's Press, NY

Paul Beyer 1 year, 2 months ago

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.” Donald Trump

“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’” Donald Trump

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

Had Bath House Barry not soiled Public Service so deeply---Trump would never be IN the race. Thank your BOY for creating Trump. Republican and Democrat parties alike dont want him--but the anger Bath House Barry has engendered brings out the rats

Barb Gordon 1 year, 2 months ago

Flagged your comment for the racism, Larry. Never call a black man a "boy" unless you wanted to show us exactly where your anger at his presidency comes from.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” Donald Trump, creepy Donald Trump.

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

For any other presidential candidate, making off-color — and arguably sexist — comments about a female competitor would likely result in an insurmountable problem with women voters.

Not so for Donald Trump. At least not yet.

A new CNN/ORC poll shows that Trump has increased his lead among Republican women, boosting his share to 33% of women voters, up from 20% a month ago.

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

CNN: For any other presidential candidate, making off-color — and arguably sexist — comments about a female competitor would likely result in an insurmountable problem with women voters.

Not so for Donald Trump. At least not yet.

A new CNN/ORC poll shows that Trump has increased his lead among Republican women, boosting his share to 33% of women voters, up from 20% a month ago.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

“I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are more beautiful.” Even creepier Donald Trump

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

"The point is, you can never be too greedy." Donald Trump

Luke 12:15 Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”

"For a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful. I am proud to be a Christian "

Don't question his faith? In what? Not the Bible.

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

YOU are quoting the BIBLE??

After you called a total stranger every filthy insult you could gather?

Can you be ANY more hypocritical?

But then---Democrat.....

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

"My IQ is one of the highest — and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure; it's not your fault."

Proverbs 16:5 Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished.

What faith again? Faith in his real religion - GREED?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

Margaret Sanger - dead - many of her bad beliefs should be dead too. Now lauded for her fight to make birth control legal and family planning desirable.

Donald Trump - alive - spewing hatred and misinformation wherever he goes. A 1% convincing the middle class and poor that he is one of them and he is not here to rip them off. Has failed at everything he has done, except "reality" TV and fooling the GOP radical voters.

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

Margret Sanger--ALIVE in the hearts of the Planned Parenthood ghouls

Donald Trump--never held an office yet

Uninformed much?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

Uninformed? Her ideas of eugenics are not alive and well. Her ideas of family planning are alive and well, thankfully. And she never held office either. Women weren't allowed, remember. And Donny boy is never going to hold office. He has managed to increase membership in hate groups though, and they are lending him lots of support.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 year, 2 months ago

I do not know as much about Margaret Sanger other than she was the founder of Planned Parenthood. I seriously doubt that the snippets of text that Larry has carefully chosen for their incendiary effect are reflective of the organization today.

I do a lot about Donald Trump from his attempts to bring down the current President of the United States with his "birther" crusade. Ditto, today with his attacks on rival Ted Cruz. Same old garbage.

I will say this, if Trump does manage to get nominated, or heaven forbid, elected, our largest problems will not be Isis or North Korea or Iran. I would predict that the impeachment process for the President of the United States should not take longer than 4 months. We can only hope.

Hudson Luce 1 year, 2 months ago

The reason that Trump is getting so much support is that he appeals to those workers who have become structurally unemployable, due to the government-aided destruction of US manufacturing. People who had unionized skilled labor jobs, the income from which could go to supporting a middle-class lifestyle, lost them, forever, when the companies outsourced their manufacturing. This trend continues today, with the closure of Carrier HVAC manufacturing in the US and its transfer to Monterrey, Mexico. 1400 workers will lose their jobs – and so will lots of other people in their communities. They won’t be able to afford retraining, either. They're the victims of lousy, destructive corporatist policy, from both Democratic and Republican parties, over the course of the last 40 years, they're not "the great unwashed", they were the basis for the comparatively free and prosperous society we had from 1945 to the early 1970s. Donald Trump tells them that he’ll bring their jobs and security back. No other Republican candidate has said anything like that. Can you blame them for supporting Trump?

Same case, pretty much, for Sanders, except that the majority of his support comes from people who are about to become structurally unemployable, and who at the same time, have amassed unpayable and undischargeable debts from their mostly unmarketable college degrees. They naturally see that “capitalism” has failed them – as the current system has, although it’s more socialist in a lot of ways than they’d like to think – and when Bernie promises them relief from debt, free college, free medical care, and jobs in federal programs akin to the Civilian Conservation Corps or the Works Projects Administration, they look to him for help out of their horrific situation. Hillary promises the status quo, more of the same. Who do you think will get the enthusiastic support?

I'd like to see this race come down to a contest between Sanders and Trump, and exclude the corrupt, status quo-protecting corporatists that comprise the rest of the GOP and Democratic Establishment from the race. The bonus is that Sanders and Trump are driven by ideology, not the continual grasping for the long green which drives the rest of them.

As for Kobach and his silly comments, he's a bit of a horse's ass at times...

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

"government-aided destruction of US manufacturing. " So they forced corporations to move out of the country? Really? It had nothing to do with greed? And guess what? Trump is one of the greedy ones who have ruined the US. Where does his Macy's line of clothing come from? Yes, China. He could have found one of the clothing factories still open in the US. Heck, he has enough money to build his own factory. But that wouldn't have made him as much money. Wake up, Trump is part of the problem.

Larry Ripley 1 year, 2 months ago

If you look in Kolbachs closet , you'll find stacks of yellow stars with "HOMO", "BABY MURDER", "ILLEGAL ALIEN" AND "COMMUNIST" on them. SEIG! HEIL! Do I hear the strains of "Deutschland uber Alles" playing behind him?

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

Ripley--I believe it--but wish it was NOT

Do you drive to work in Reverse? Because you have your facts completely backwards

Read below--and then start calling childish names

Larry Dysart 1 year, 2 months ago

The thing that should scare the hell out of ANY educated person is--Americans profund ignorance about their own history and socio-political issues.

Santayana's famous quote "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." has never been more true

The comments about Kobach and GOP being "Nazis" and "brownshirts" etc- shows incredible and dangerous ignorance. In fact the truth is 180 degrees out of phase

Nazis PROMOTED eugenics, killing off "undesirables" and attacked those--financially, personally,, physically--who did not agree. Nazism was more a cult, a religion than a party. And the very same is true today of LIBERALS. How many Nazi "Professors" attacked reporters that dared to question the party line----i.e. the PC line at MU? Did not the Nazis use government intrigue and pressure--just as the Obama Administration does a la' IRS-to silence critics?

The anti-Nazi "underground"--the "liberals"--were FOR Personal freedoms. To NOT be killed--in the womb or elsewhere. To NOT be hunted down for your beliefs. Liberals are the true descendants of the Third Reich. Conservatives are the descendants of the resistance

Folks--this is going to be a shock--but beyond the Lawrence City Limits is a REAL world where REAL people have to deal with REAL problems. And all the "solutions" offered up by the left have been tried over and over and over and over again--since 1932--and failed every time. New Deal--deepened and lengthened the Depression. Great Society--$40 TRILLION later and rate of poverty is 50% higher. Liberalism has failed. Horribly. Only an insane person would advocate using a failed solution ONCE. When you want to use them 1000 times---what sort of insanity is that?

So--now the personal insults, bathroom jokes and faux superiority will begin in 3...2...1

Michael Kort 1 year, 2 months ago

Here's another piece of Kobachs' History .

He frauds Douglas County on a building permit at his farm in the north end to save himself some property taxes and installs a 2 bedroom home w/kitchen & bath, walls, plumbing and wiring into a barn, that is non code construction, and then tells his installers that he will call for county inspections, that he never calls for.......he is a lawyer.......he should know better ........but he thinks himself to be above the law !......and above paying honest basic property taxes.....like everybody else !

Kris is " SO SPECIAL " !

A county property "tax fraud".....addressing a SPECIAL MEETING ofthe states Re-Publicans (?) who all seem to think that the cost of government, is for everbody else to pay for (?), on their behalf , so that they can then run it, in their own best interest !!!......and of course, anybody asking them to pay their fair share is a "Communist" because the LLCs & the 1%ers deserve a free ride (?) which has something vague to do with JESUS (?)......because He will forgive their sins, no matter what hey do to the middle class and the poor ?! So Christians should vote for them ?!

SICK !!!

Shawn Boultinghouse 1 year, 2 months ago

Liberals must be stopped, because they don't stand for what is moral. They support butchering unborn babies, homophiles and pretty much anything society considers indecent. This crap has to stop.

Joseph Jarvis 1 year, 2 months ago

Hi @Shawn Boultinghouse. It's your friendly gay neighbor again. Thanks for calling us "immoral," "indecent," and human waste. I'll see you at next month's civility club meeting.

Lawrence Freeman 1 year, 2 months ago

Larry I suspect you are a fraud. If you were actually a "full professor of history" you should be aware that people learn from history. The attitudes and mores of people born around a hundred years ago are hardly valid in today's world.

IMHO you are actually paid to spread inconsequential trivia. From a purely intellectual stand point, eugenics does make sense, farmer's practice it every time they cull a herd. But when viewed thru the lens of constitutional rights, it fails, reproduction is a basic right, as is the choice to not to have to reproduce. Go back and tell your masters you haven failed.

Bob Summers 1 year, 2 months ago

Wait a minute. Would communists do this? Maybe not. But Liberals are. No wonder they are against photo ID to vote.

by HANS A. VON SPAKOVSKY February 21, 2016 12:00 PM

Several well-funded organizations — including the League of Women Voters and the NAACP — are fighting efforts to prevent non-citizens from voting illegally in the upcoming presidential election. And the United States Department of Justice, under the direction of Attorney General Loretta Lynch, is helping them.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431676/obama-administration-enabling-noncitizen-voting

Lawrence Freeman 1 year, 2 months ago

Tell me Bob, why are retired people who choose to live in RV's be considered homeless? Why should people who desire mobility be denied the right to vote? I can understand local election's, but why federal?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

You don't know too much do you. Liberals are split on the id requirement. For most it's a non problem. But we do agree that any ids for people who no longer need a drivers license should be given free ids, or it's a poll tax. And requiring a birth certificate is a definite poll tax, because no one gives out free birth certificates. It's also guilty until proven innocent. KKKobach is saying you are not a US citizen until you prove it. It's against the constitution.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

You are pretty uninformed, aren't you. You must not know too many liberals. Liberals are split on the id requirement. For most it's a non problem. But we do agree that any ids for people who no longer need a drivers license should be given free ids, or it's a poll tax. And requiring a birth certificate is a definite poll tax, because no one gives out free birth certificates. It's also guilty until proven innocent. KKKobach is saying you are not a US citizen until you prove it. It's against the constitution.

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

League Refuses to "Help Perpetrate a Fraud" 10/03/1988 | by LWV NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
October 3, 1988

LEAGUE REFUSES TO "HELP PERPETRATE A FRAUD"

WITHDRAWS SUPPORT FROM FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE

WASHINGTON, DC —"The League of Women Voters is withdrawing its sponsorship of the presidential debate scheduled for mid-October because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter," League President Nancy M. Neuman said today.

"It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and honest answers to tough questions," Neuman said. "The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."

Neuman said that the campaigns presented the League with their debate agreement on September 28, two weeks before the scheduled debate. The campaigns' agreement was negotiated "behind closed doors" and vas presented to the League as "a done deal," she said, its 16 pages of conditions not subject to negotiation.

Most objectionable to the League, Neuman said, were conditions in the agreement that gave the campaigns unprecedented control over the proceedings. Neuman called "outrageous" the campaigns' demands that they control the selection of questioners, the composition of the audience, hall access for the press and other issues.

"The campaigns' agreement is a closed-door masterpiece," Neuman said. "Never in the history of the League of Women Voters have two candidates' organizations come to us with such stringent, unyielding and self-serving demands."

Neuman said she and the League regretted that the American people have had no real opportunities to judge the presidential nominees outside of campaign-controlled environments.

"On the threshold of a new millenium, this country remains the brightest hope for all who cherish free speech and open debate," Neuman said. "Americans deserve to see and hear the men who would be president face each other in a debate on the hard and complex issues critical to our progress into the next century."

Neuman issued a final challenge to both Vice President Bush and Governor Dukakis to "rise above your handlers and agree to join us in presenting the fair and full discussion the American public expects of a League of Women Voters debate."

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

On the local front the League of Women Voters could very well be the most informed organization in Lawrence and Douglas County on many fronts. This requires effort,dedication and a labor of love.

Thank You League of Women Voters

Richard Heckler

And if Planned Parenthood loses funding, what will mainly happen is that cancer screenings and contraception and STD testing will become less available to poorer people. Folks with more money, of course, have many other ways to receive all these services, and tend to get them elsewhere already.

The fight also isn’t about cutting spending. The services Planned Parenthood provides save the federal government a lot of money.

Michael Kort 1 year, 2 months ago

Check out the STATEHOUSE LIVE column in this LJW because Kobach is just a distraction at best, so no one will notice what laws our legislature has in mind, for impeaching Supreme Court Justices who don't agree with their "best legislative thinking", that they want to consider with a vote, with out public comment, in the next two days .

Once again, the legislative and the executive want to take over the Ks court system and neutralize it, so that we end up with the courts being an extension of their own power base, in some Ks Fascist Regiem .

Good little Fascists with nothing better on their minds than to destroy our American System of Government, by the three separate parts of government, that has served this country well since it's founding .

These people have such low reguard for our American Governmental System, that they don't deserve to govern any part of this state of Kansas .

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

The legislation that which American Legislative Exchange Council has deigned not only for Kansas .......... can we say all states?

The Fascist Privatization Profiteers want nothing in their way of owning government services with taxpayers still on the hook.

Scalia passing on may have put a bit of a scare in the movement which is why the ALEC controlled congress is pushing to stop Obama from appointing a supreme court justice.

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

A look at the big picture from the impact of JUST one taxpayer owned service throughout the USA:

This privatized public school financing scandal could fiscally paralyze many communities and destroy real estate market values. Think about it. This scandal is in your backyard as we speak.

Thousands upon thousands of public school teachers throughout the USA could receive pink slips. Think what impact that would have on students,

Thousands upon thousands of public school teachers throughout the USA could receive pink slips. Think what impact that would have on local economies.

Thousands upon thousands of public school teachers throughout the USA could receive pink slips. Think what impact that would have on the real estate industry and home sales.

Thousands upon thousands of public school teachers throughout the USA could receive pink slips. Think what impact that would have on property values after the economy goes down the tubes one more time at the direction of the GOP one more time.

Thousands upon thousands of public school teachers throughout the USA could receive pink slips. Think what impact that would have on home loan bankruptcy activity.

Thousands upon thousands of public school teachers throughout the USA could receive pink slips. Think what impact that would have on car sales.

Thousands upon thousands of public school teachers throughout the USA could receive pink slips. Think what impact that would have on local sales taxes.

Thousands upon thousands of public school teachers throughout the USA could receive pink slips. Think what impact that would have on local carpenters,plumbers,painters,landscape maintenance crews

Thousands upon thousands of public school teachers throughout USA could receive pink slips. Think what impact that would have on the overall quality of life in the communities of America thanks to the GOP one more time.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

What is a citz? And the constitution wasn't written in 1775. It wasn't written until 1787. And all I see is Franklin thanking Dumas for a book.

Phillip Chappuie 1 year, 2 months ago

A couple of things here. Our nation has operated under a democratic socialist model for years. That is a no brainer. And all of the comparisons to Nazi is close but probably not right on the mark. After the rest of the misdirection by Larry's absolutely wonderful cut 'n paste skills I almost lost the point of the article. I hope he could sit down and have a cold popsicle after all that. It is a cool treat on a hot day.

Kris' comments were strictly inappropriate and rude. He has a knack for stick his foot in his mouth. And I also think he was indeed a tax dodger with his willful zoning antics. I thought lawyers has a code of ethics to stand by. The biggest problem with the Kansas GOP is that it is full of Republicans.

Richard Aronoff 1 year, 2 months ago

Here is a question for Dorothy Hoyt-Reed but first a bit of background information about me.

While I believe that a process begins at conception that will result in a life, my animal assisted therapy work with abused children causes me to believe that the last person to have a child is a person who doesn't want a child. And I agree that unless a person is willing to bear the expense and responsibility for raising that unwanted child that person needs to shut up.

So.....here's the question: Stipulating that the life of the mother is not in danger and the unborn child is perfectly healthy, when is it too late to perform an abortion? Many European countries say that late in the second trimester all bets are off. So when is it too late, Dorothy? Six months? EIght months? The day before labor begins? Please tell me what you think.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

Ok, I'll bite your red herring bait. Late term abortions do not happen unless there is a problem with the health or the mother of the baby. Women do not just wake up and suddenly say, "Oops, I change my mind." We could be like Ireland, which allowed a woman with a tubal pregnancy to die, but, apparently that's okay with anti choice people. Some women have chosen to carry a baby which is dead or would be still born full term. That is their choice. But other women would choose to not suffer that long, or have the dying baby inside them suffer that long. It's called choice. I would not force the woman who wanted to carry the baby to full term to have an abortion. And I don't like anyone, especially a man, tell us women that it's just a flip choice that they make. You will NEVER have to make the choice of whether to save your life or the life of your child. You will NEVER have to know the pain of knowing that the baby you have carried for several months is going to die soon after birth. You will NEVER know what it's like to be raped and find out that the hateful seed has been planted in you. Each woman must make that decision for themselves and decide what they have the strength to handle.

Now a question for you. When I was 18, I went to the doctor for birth control pills. Back in 1970, you couldn't get them, unless you were married. So, I got pregnant. I did the proper thing and got married; although, I was starting to see signs that this man was controlling. After the baby was born, he became violent, and was jealous of the time I had to spend caring for our daughter. Fortunately, he liked having my paycheck, so he could use his paycheck on drugs, booze and other women, so he failed at being an abuser. I worked in a factory, and back then you could find inexpensive day care. You also could get paid a living wage for working full time and insurance, so I was able to leave this jerk and raise my daughter on my own with no welfare. So why are so called pro life people against a living wage and support a corporations decision to take manufacturing out of the country? Why do they oppose family sick leave? Why do they look down on women who are on welfare? I've answered your question, now answer mine.

Richard Aronoff 1 year, 2 months ago

You didn't answer my question. You simply stated that late term abortions never happen because a woman thought having the child would be inconvenient. Sorry...but I know of two situations where exactly that happened.

You seem to be carrying a lot of baggage related your situations as a young woman, Situations that were based on your very own best thinking.

You make the blanket statement that pro-life people are against a "living wage" but provide no examples. Same for family leave, and women on welfare.

As for supporting corporate decisions to leave the country, the current front runner for the Republican nomination who I am NO FAN OF has spoken out against these inversions and the issue is one of the few things he has been specific about.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

", Situations that were based on your very own best thinking." I hope this isn't a veiled "it's the victims fault" accusation. And how would you "personally" know of two situations where women had a late abortion for reasons, besides health? Are you a medical person? Are you revealing someone's medical records? That's against the law you know. Women should make the choice early on. Is that what you want? And in my personal experience, everyone I know who opposes abortion, also are welfare shamers. They don't want their taxes supporting single parents. Now do all of them think that way? Probably not. But they all vote Republican and many of them support abstinence only sex education, and many want to close down Planned Parenthood, even though they have prevented more pregnancies from happening than they have aborted pregnancies. I realize that for many, sex should only be for procreation, but we are not all a part of your particular sect of Christianity. And this is the last thing I will discuss with you. When you can carry a baby, wanted or not for nine months, then we can talk.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 2 months ago

Oh and I appreciate your work with abused children. Teaching them to be empathetic to animals really changes their lives. My husband and I adopted an abused child, and with the help of many, including our pets, he has grown up to be a great young man. I knew I had nothing to worry about when he showed so much compassion to animals.

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

I question sometimes whether or not if so called pro life politicians are in fact pro-life or are they simply chasing campaign dollars?

So so many politicians will say most anything and pretend to be so many things for campaign dollars.

Consider the following:

"Planned Parenthood itself estimates it prevents more than 620,000 unintended pregnancies each year, and 220,000 abortions.

It’s also worth noting that federal law already forbids Planned Parenthood from using the funds it receives from the government for abortions.

So though the fight over Planned Parenthood might be about abortion, Planned Parenthood itself isn’t about abortion. It’s primarily about contraception and reproductive health.

The fight also isn’t about cutting spending. The services Planned Parenthood provides save the federal government a lot of money."

After reading the above it seems to me Kansas legislators and Planned Parenthood are on the same page so why are Kansas legislators being so brutal on Planned Parenthood?

Could it be the legislators know little to nothing about Planned Parenthood?

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

How can "law makers "take a position against an organization "THAT REFUSES TO HELP PERPETRATE A FRAUD" ?

Am I missing something?

Frank Smith 1 year, 2 months ago

Kobach gets crazier all the time. He's on a mission to keep all minorities, students and the poor from voting. Kansas Republicans have rejected democracy and have returned to the 18th Century notion that only white landowners should have the electoral franchise.

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