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6-year-old Lawrence boy shoots self in foot while playing with gun, police say

August 25, 2016, 8:53 a.m. Updated August 25, 2016, 3:08 p.m.

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A Lawrence 6-year-old was shot Thursday morning while he was playing with a gun, police say.

Around 7:45 a.m. officers were dispatched to the 500 block of Wisconsin Street regarding a shooting, Lawrence Police Sgt. Amy Rhoads said in a news release. Officers found the child inside his home suffering from an accidental, self-inflicted gunshot wound to the foot, Rhoads said.

The child was taken by ambulance to a Kansas City-area hospital in stable condition, the release said, and he is expected to recover.

The incident is currently under investigation. Several adult witnesses were at the residence Thursday, all of whom have been interviewed by investigators. When the investigation is complete, investigators will forward their reports to the Douglas County District Attorney’s Office, which will determine whether any criminal charges will be filed.

No further details were available Thursday.

Comments

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

There is no such thing as an "accidental" shooting. If a gun is discharged then the owner of that gun is responsible for what happened.

Brock Masters 1 year, 1 month ago

Dorothy you seem to misunderstand the meaning of the word accidental, especially as it is used in this context. The journalist used "accidental" to convey that the child was not intentionally shot. Accidently doesn't mean that there is no responsibility, just that the act was not intentional.

The same as driving your car and accidently hitting another car. You didn't intend to sit it, but you are still responsible.

Hope this helps.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

Except too often no one is held responsible for the accident. That needs to end.

Bob Summers 1 year, 1 month ago

So this in no accident since Obama owns the weapons being used on Syria.

Thanks for the heads up Dorothy.

Bill Turner 1 year, 1 month ago

Actually, he doesn't own them, he just sold them. And President Obama is just another citizen like you or me - if you're talking about US government weapons being used, then WE own them just as much as Mr. Obama, so that would make all of us responsible.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

Umm, you do know that the bombing of Aleppo is being done by the Russians and Syrian government, don't you? Please read the news. Your buddy Putin is the one responsible here.

Kendall Simmons 1 year, 1 month ago

Do you also believe that Obama took all our guns, Bob? If so, he is responsible for this little boy getting shot, right? RIGHT???

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

Okay, Bob. I'm willing to admit if I post something that is factually wrong, are you? Was it FOX news that said that Obama was bombing Aleppo? Was it some stupid meme on Facebook? At least do some research and have the guts to come back and say you were wrong.

Rick Masters 1 year, 1 month ago

I knew this thread would go into the toilet, but I'm impressed how quickly it happened. Congratulations are in order!

Susan Lee 1 year, 1 month ago

Every day approximately 91 people are killed by guns in the US. On the average day, eight children are killed by a gun. I just ordered my "no guns allowed' sign for my door. Many many years ago when my children were young, they were not allowed to visit a home where guns were present. Anyone who thinks more guns added to the mix will "fix things" needs educating. Please be part of the solution, not the problem. Less guns = more life.

Alex Landazuri 1 year, 1 month ago

is the gun at fault or the irresponsible owner? how about the car when the owner is drunk? using your logic we should get rid of cars too. while we are at it, how about matches since they start fires. wait, how about stones and bricks since they kill people to?

Crystal Patterson 1 year, 1 month ago

Quite the strawman you are bringing to the discussion.

Brad Barnett 1 year, 1 month ago

Incorrect. Look at the statistics. Regardless of circumstances, vehicles kill roughly the same amount of people in the US each year as firearms. Bottom line is they're both tools, and whether it's a car or a gun, the risk of it harming others falls squarely on the responsibility of the person who is in control of it and how they use it.

Bob Forer 1 year, 1 month ago

Actually, the blame lies with a society that allows idiots to own handguns.

Bob Forer 1 year, 1 month ago

Your logic is flawed, Alex. The solution is to keep car keys out of the hands of drunks, and guns out of the hands of idiots.

Brock Masters 1 year, 1 month ago

We could do more to prevent deaths from automobile accidents but we don't. We could require all cars to be equipped with the breathalyzer interlock to prevent people from driving under the influence and we could require the cars be equipped with a governor that doesn't let them exceed the posted speed limit.

The problem is people don't really want to prevent deaths they just don't like guns and they don't want to be inconvenienced.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

We could required drivers ed. We could also require gun training. But we don't require training for either. But at least in a car you can loose your license, and you have to have a license. And you have to have liability insurance. And you can go to jail if you are irresponsible and hurt someone "accidentally". Why don't we have the same requirements for guns?

Brock Masters 1 year, 1 month ago

Dot liability insurance and training cost money which, like a poll tax, would prevent many people especially the poor and those on fixed incomes from exercising their constitutional right. The government cannot impose restrictions that prevent law abiding citizens from owning a gun. It is a right.

People can and are sued for hiring people accidently. Some even go to jail.

I believe the person was negligent in this case and should be held accountable, but let me ask you do you want the mother who accidently leaves her child in a car to die to go to jail too? Or how about the grandparent who accidently backs over their grandchild?

Accidents do happen and sometime punishing the person makes sense and sometimes it doesn't.

Bob Forer 1 year, 1 month ago

Brock, until you pass the bar exam you would be well advised to refrain from commenting on constitutional law, an area you obviously know little to nothing about. Constitutional rights have never been deemed absolute, and the SCOTUS has consistently upheld limited restrictions on such rights.

Brock Masters 1 year, 1 month ago

The government can impose reasonable restrictions as affirmed by Heller but they cannot stop the law abiding citizen from owning a gun.

No different than a poll tax. A poll tax could be construed to be a limited restriction except it stops people from voting.

Do you really think the court would accept liability insurance as a reasonable restriction especially when you consider it would have a disapportionate impact upon poor people?

Does it make you feel good about yourself to constantly insult people? Just wondering why you feel the need to be nasty to people?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

So you do agree that Kobach can't ask people to show their birth certificates to register to vote, since many would have to order one, and that costs money. Oops.

Alex Landazuri 1 year, 1 month ago

actually bob, that was my point. punish the person and not the inanimate object.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

It is the irresponsible owner. You know the one who has no training, because it's not required. The one that probably shouldn't own a gun, but where are the consequences? Few get charged. None get their right to own a gun taken from them. The NRA even wants to restore gun ownership to violent felons.

Brock Masters 1 year, 1 month ago

Can you provide a link to the NRA wanting to restore gun ownership to violent felons.

Mike Riner 1 year, 1 month ago

Personally, I believe training should be required before gun ownership, so If she CAN provide said link, I will forfeit my NRA membership immediately. Dorothy????

Brock Masters 1 year, 1 month ago

Bet you she can't. I do recall the NRA wanting to restore the rights to some felons but not violent felons. Not all felony crimes are equal.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/nra-stalkers-deserve-guns-too

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/06/domestic-violence-bills-are-revealing-another-side-to-the-nra/

And this NRA leader would like his son's rights restored, but NO. http://addictinginfo.org/2013/02/21/nra-presidents-son-jailed-for-road-rage-shootin/

And obviously the no fly list is unconstitutional, because we have a right to move freely around the country, right? So if the no fly list is to prevent terrorism, I would think you would want to not sell guns to these people too. And if they are on the no fly list mistakenly there is due process to get your name removed, then you can buy guns.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160615/nra-statement-on-terror-watchlists

Andrew Applegarth 1 year, 1 month ago

"No Guns Allowed" sign - $7.00

New door - $1,000

Security lights and alarm - $1,000 plus $400 per year

Replacing all of your belongings - $30,000

The sense of security you'll never have again - Priceless

Posting that your residence is a soft target for criminals - Stupid!

Less guns = more crime

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

Or putting up a sign that you don't call the police, you have guns sounds like a great way to advertise that you have things that thieves would like to steal. You aren't home 24/7, and even if you are, you aren't awake the whole time. Turn off the TV. Crime isn't that rampant. All those cop show (which I love, because I love a good mystery) are fiction. There is not a serial killer every week.

Ron Holzwarth 1 year, 1 month ago

Clipped from:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/5-myths-about-serial-killers-and-why-they-persist-excerpt/

"Serial killings account for no more than 1 percent of all murders committed in the U.S. Based on recent FBI crime statistics, there are approximately 15,000 murders annually, so that means there are no more than 150 victims of serial murder in the U.S. in any given year."

So, you are correct. "There is not a serial killer every week," it's almost 3 per week in the United States.

Andrew Applegarth 1 year, 1 month ago

So, you think it's wise to advertise that you can't defend yourself and unwise to advertise that you can. Personally, I wouldn't put up either sign, but I think you're mistaken on which is more foolish.

Jenna Passio 1 year, 1 month ago

I'm sure the criminal breaking into your house is going to take your "no guns" sign very seriously.

Paul Beyer 1 year, 1 month ago

Just another case of a gun nut who lacks the common sense to not have a loaded gun where a 6 year old child can get to it. But, what the hell, kid needed to know how to protect himself from those first grade bullies.

Doug Larson 1 year, 1 month ago

You know the old saying.....guns don't kill, people do. But I'm guessing that if all guns were replaced with balloons there would be fewer deaths, even tho people keep throwing them at each other!

Zoe Flowers 1 year, 1 month ago

Not surprised, see the kids on that block all over, doing unsafe things all the time. Nobody supervises them. Always thought it would be a car that got one of them, not a gun.

MerriAnnie Smith 1 year, 1 month ago

Follow this child into adulthood.

Is he going to remember how easy it was to get the gun and shoot himself?

Or is his family's lack of good sense going to be his mindset too? Will he insist he has every right to have loaded guns laying around his house?

It has been many long decades since I had kids in the house and I still won't put prescription pills down on a bedside table for fear one will visit and I will forget the pills are there. The last time I had a kid visit was over 10 years ago.

I wish everyone valued children enough to consider all the possibilities.

Michael Birch 1 year, 1 month ago

This has absolutely nothing to do with our president Mr. Barack Obama! Your disrespect for our president is very insulting not to mention disgusting. What it has to do with is irresponsible gun owners. Period!

Rick Aldrich 1 year, 1 month ago

So now back to the little boy getting shot, I wonder how he got a hold of the weapon. Yes I do believe the gun owner should be held responsible for the little boy finding and playing with the weapon. There wasn't an accident involved to be honest. Think about it. A smart, educated, common sense gun owner would know better to leave a loaded firearm laying around in some low place where a young child can get his or her hands on it. The little boy was only playing with a toy gun in his mind.

Obama doesn't have anything to do with this guys. But please continue for it makes good reading material.

Maddy Griffin 1 year, 1 month ago

Agreed! People who don't have enough sense to keep firearms out of the reach of their children don't deserve to have either. They get no sympathy from me.

Louis Kannen 1 year, 1 month ago

Out here, our ol' time high country "solution / measured response" to something like this is to reach out and 'assist' the imbecilic individual(s) responsible for the endangerment of this child (and others). 'Assist' defined as allowing them their very own chance to 'accidently' discharge that same firearm into either of their own feet, followed by a good ol' fashioned pistol-whipping out back.Their ignorant-selves may still not 'get it', but at least by the time they get out of the hospital, their clothes will probably be 'out of style'....

Ron Holzwarth 1 year, 1 month ago

Guns don't hurt people, bullets do. A small safe to keep your ammunition in is very inexpensive. Of course, one must have the common sense to keep the weapon unloaded when not in use.

(Pistol whipping aside, also neglecting the use of a long gun as a baseball bat.)

Barb Gordon 1 year, 1 month ago

Guns should always be treated as if they were loaded, even if you have confirmed they are not. Store the guns in a safe as well.

Ron Holzwarth 1 year, 1 month ago

I grew up on a farm, and there wasn't enough time to remove a gun from a safe in order to use it against a predator. And, in one case, a rapist. (He was a would-be rapist actually, seeing a gun pointed at him made him change his mind very quickly, before he had a chance to complete the act.)

A gun in a safe won't save anyone from a rapist.

It's been years, so I don't clearly recall if the guns were loaded or not, but I tend to believe they were, considering that very few coyotes or rattlesnakes got away. And, every child anywhere near knew that if you touched them, you were in big trouble. And, you would stay in very big trouble for a very, very long time.

But perhaps there is a greater issue involved here. Farm kids are much more wise around guns and machinery. I knew very well at the age of 3 or 4 that I better, not ever, touch a gun. I had already driven a tractor at that age. And I didn't actually shoot one until I was about 12 or so.

Barb Gordon 1 year, 1 month ago

I have friends who live on a farm right now with two teenage girls. No other houses are visible from their window. The sheriff is often more than half an hour away if they have to call about something.

They store their guns in a safe.

I guess the predators got slower. Maybe the rapists did too.

And if you're using guns against rattlesnakes, you're doing it wrong. Snake stick and a pillow case, my friend. Garden hoe or machete if you're not interested in keeping them alive - both of which can be stored without a safe. I learned how to shoot before you did, and I learned how to safely catch rattlesnakes before I learned how to drive.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 year, 1 month ago

Okay, Ron, that was on a farm. Your parents were probably smart, well trained gun owners, and taught you respect for them. But now everyone gets a gun whether or not they have any training themselves, and if they don't have training, their kids aren't going to have training.

MerriAnnie Smith 1 year, 1 month ago

I'd rather be raped than have one of my kids either shoot himself or someone else.

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