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More Kansas teachers leaving state, retiring

July 12, 2015

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— Classroom spending cuts, uncertain school financing, low pay and eroding tenure protections all play into a hostile climate in Kansas that teachers and school administrators say is spurring a surge of teacher departures and retirements.

At least 3,720 Kansas teachers have left the state, retired or taken jobs outside of education after this past school year, a huge jump from the 2,150 who did so just a couple of years ago, according to a newly released data by Kansas State Department of Education.

The teacher exodus comes as a panel of district judges declared last month that key parts of a new state law for funding public schools violate the state constitution. The panel ordered an immediate increase in funds, but the Kansas Supreme Court later stayed that order pending its review.

But it is not just the financing problems fueling a perception education in Kansas is under attack. The GOP-dominated Legislature also tried to limit teachers' bargaining power and sought unsuccessfully to pass a law that would allow teachers to be criminally prosecuted for presenting material deemed harmful to minors.

"Instead of funding our schools, (lawmakers) are vilifying our teachers," said Mark Farr, a high school science teacher now serving as president of the Kansas National Education Association.

State Rep. Ron Ryckman Jr., chairman of the House Appropriations Committee noted that the Legislature tried to provide schools with two years of financial stability in unstable times with its block grant financing plan, and that some of the more objectionable bills either were never passed or were negotiated into more acceptable versions.

"We value our teachers and try to find the best way possible to get more money in the classrooms," Ryckman said.

Other outside factors are aggravating the defections. Many teachers who stayed put during the economic recession are now leaving for better paying jobs outside education. Demographics also play a role as baby boomers nearing retirement age are coping with new caps on how much outside income a retired teacher can earn while still drawing a state pension.

On Tuesday, the Kansas State Board of Education will hear a presentation on "exit trend data" for the 2014-15 school year. Preliminary numbers are already raising alarms:

  • At least 654 teachers have quit their jobs in Kansas and left the state, according to statistics compiled by the Kansas State Department of Education.
  • Teacher retirements surged to 2,326, almost doubling the 1,260 retirements recorded after the 2011-12 school year.
  • Another 740 Kansas teachers left the profession entirely, compared to 491 who did so at the end of the 2011-12 school year.

"That puts some hard numbers to what we have been hearing," said Mark Tallman, associate executive director for advocacy for the Kansas Association of School Boards. "The numbers are real and the situation has changed in the past few years."

Out-of-state districts are taking advantage of the current situation.

On the Kansas Turnpike near Lawrence a recruitment billboard put up by the Independence, Mo., school district proclaims: "Hiring Teachers for 2015-16." A similar billboard also greets drivers near Goddard.

The district decided to use billboards in neighboring Kansas because it needed to hire 45 new teachers after its voters approved a tax increase in a move to lower class sizes.

"We have seen many more applications in late June and July than we would typically see in a given school year, and honestly most of them are from Kansas," Dale Herl, superintendent for the Independence school district, said.

Jeff Hersh, assistant superintendent for human resources at the Goddard schools, said his district lost two teachers with more than 15 years of experience to Independence. He also noted that the number of candidates he's seen at recruiting fairs has been much lower than in years past.

Goddard had 13 teacher vacancies this year, but only decided to fill two of them due to uncertainty in school financing, Hersh said. That will mean bigger class sizes come fall.

Parent Judith Deedy, who has two 11-year-olds and one 13-year-old in the Shawnee Mission school district, said teachers in Kansas feel threatened by not only by the low pay but the Legislature.

"Why do they think this is going to help us get bright people to go into teaching," Deedy said. "And my kids are still relatively young, we have a ways to go. So I think that it's frightening."

Comments

Bob Smith 2 years, 5 months ago

Mind that screen door on the way out.

David Carson 2 years, 5 months ago

This, folks, is the mindset of the hateful, extremist right. Sickening and immature, isn't it?

David Carson 2 years, 5 months ago

That may be, but your comment really has no relevance here. I was pointing out the mindset of a specific commenter, who happens to be on the hateful, extremist right.

Justin Hoffman 2 years, 5 months ago

David, it would sure be helpful if you would quit trying to be the "forum police" and just skip over the comments you don't like. Lawrence was simply making an observation, same as you did. You are not better than everyone on here. Just chill.

David Carson 2 years, 5 months ago

Justin, your post is just full of utter nonsense, not a bit of truth in it whatsoever. You don't even know what you're talking about, just nonsensical rambling.

You're telling me to skip over posts I don't like, yet call me the forum police. Who is trying to control who here? See the flaw? I know you don't.

I'll post when and where I like, regardless of your policing.

David Carson 2 years, 5 months ago

Sorry I shut you down so hard, it'll sting less next time. There will be many.

Lawrence Freeman 2 years, 5 months ago

Looks like David is a member of the hateful extremist left.

David Carson 2 years, 5 months ago

Because I called out Bob for being hateful, that makes me hateful? Or that I responded to a factless tirade from Justin that made his post sound just as stupid as it was? One of these makes me hateful?

Lawrence Freeman 2 years, 5 months ago

The tone of your posts are certainly more hateful than Bob's

David Carson 2 years, 5 months ago

Lawrence, I frequently agree with what you posts here, but not this time. Most of Bob's posts are just one liner angry missives. That is a fact.

Lawrence Freeman 2 years, 5 months ago

Don't worry so will I. Looks like you can't handle what you try to dish out! LOL

Barb Gordon 2 years, 5 months ago

Why don't the both of you just get a room already.

Rebecca Woolfolk 2 years, 5 months ago

And the thing is, if the article were about businesses leaving the state because opportunities were better elsewhere and the environment was friendlier toward them, he'd be praising their wisdom for leaving and excoriating the government for driving them away.

Why is it any different for teachers or any other individual? Of course, people are going to move in the direction of greater opportunity unless they have some other compelling reason to stay. Why mock people for making an entirely rational decision?

It's clear that the people of Kansas don't value education and actively dislike teachers.

Stephen Dalena 2 years, 5 months ago

It's a plan by Brownback to render everyone in the state as dumb as he is so the Republican dynasty is perpetuated.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 5 months ago

And he is trying to destroy public education, so the "for profit" wolves and come in to set up their charter school rip offs. http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2013/09/10/charter-school-gravy-train-runs-express-to-fat-city/

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/02/the_great_charter_school_rip_off_finally_the_truth_catches_up_to_education_reform_phonies/

From the real and honest to goodness (stress on honest) Dorothy Hoyt-Reed, retired government school teacher who will continue the fight for funded, good public schools, and the fight to give equal rights under the law regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, economic class, etc.

Charles Hauder 2 years, 5 months ago

You think the teachers and teachers unions are not for profit?? Our "Public education" is already one of the worst in the world and destroying it would be doing us a favor.

Cheryl Nelsen 2 years, 5 months ago

Why do you think it is the worst in the world?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 5 months ago

Because he reads excerpts from books that talk about failing public schools in large inner cities, which are failing because of socio economic problems and politicians, then he generalizes that to mean that all public schools are failing. It's the same simple minded approach that leads to other bigoted opinions and that wants to measure school success by how students do on a standardized test. And because public schools have been forced to teach to these stupid standardized tests we are graduating students who do not function well in the real world. They just have a hard time finding a job that assesses them with a standardized test. Creativity and innovative thought isn't as important to these simple minded people as competing with other nations on standardized test scores.

From the real and honest to goodness (stress on honest) Dorothy Hoyt-Reed, retired government school teacher who will continue the fight for funded, good public schools, and the fight to give equal rights under the law regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, economic class, etc.

Larry Dysart 2 years, 5 months ago

Clearly you dont live in Kansas

And werent educated in KS---as evidenced by your childish syntax and logic

Noi Moua 2 years, 5 months ago

Why does everyone from Kansas complain or care? They don't because if you did you wouldn't have re-elected the same officials you did? DUh! They harmed your educations system, but yet you still keep re-elect the same dumb party who are destroying your children education system. Hmmm, I got no sympathy for you bud! As for good teachers leaving, your dam right they leaving for better jobs and states who will respect their talents. Time for a recall of some people!

Randy Laggart 2 years, 5 months ago

Maybe some of the people complaining didn't vote for those same officials.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 5 months ago

Are you referring to the US Department of Education? This story is about Kansas. Read the article and try to keep up.

From the real and honest to goodness (stress on honest) Dorothy Hoyt-Reed, retired government school teacher who will continue the fight for funded, good public schools, and the fight to give equal rights under the law regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, economic class, etc.

David Carson 2 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for all the cussing, William. Not only does it show your immaturity, but it has also been reported, which will result in the banning of your user name.

And you accuse college professors of being stupid, wow.

Greg Cooper 2 years, 5 months ago

Being as how this guy is a one hit wonder, I'll bet he doesn't care. funny how many new "people" created an account just to disparage Kansas educators.

Paul Beyer 2 years, 5 months ago

And most, if not all of them are very poorly educated based upon their use of simple spelling and grammar.

Jennifer Alexander 2 years, 5 months ago

I didnt vote for any of the jackasses that are ruining our state. Dont assume that EVERYONE voted for these idiots. And honestly - regardless of how you vote, if you do vote then you have the right to complain!

Rick Masters 2 years, 5 months ago

Better watch your language or someone might tell the teacher.

Steve King 2 years, 5 months ago

Have any specifics there William? I know dozens of professors who could make you look/sound like a kindergartener.

Paul Beyer 2 years, 5 months ago

Mr King, obviously William is either home schooled or privately church schooled. Either way, fits the profile wanted for average GOP voter.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 5 months ago

And a brand new profile of someone who is trying to change the subject. Hmmm, wonder who it could be.

From the real and honest to goodness (stress on honest) Dorothy Hoyt-Reed, retired government school teacher who will continue the fight for funded, good public schools, and the fight to give equal rights under the law regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, economic class, etc.

Paul Beyer 2 years, 5 months ago

Reminds me very much of someone called Kevin. Could it be?

Barb Gordon 2 years, 5 months ago

I doubt it, unless he's butchering grammar on purpose. That doesn't sound like his MO. He likes to sound smart.

Charles Hauder 2 years, 5 months ago

You are obviously clueless about home schooed and privately church schooled children.

Dave Arnold 2 years, 5 months ago

Repubs the GOP is going down. Trump is taking care of that right now.

Noel Shank 2 years, 5 months ago

Kansas government- the meth lab of democracy.

Marilyn Willett 2 years, 5 months ago

the reason is teachers are sick and tired of ignorant mexican kids and dont want to teach little boys in dresses or little girls pretending theyre boys, kids today are maniacs, they g to school after being up half the night, no breakfast no manners and spolied by lousy parents, you could not pay me to be a teacher.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 5 months ago

Considering your lack of grammar and punctuation knowledge, no one would pay you to be a teacher, except maybe a really bad, rip off, "for profit", conservative dream charter school.

From the real and honest to goodness (stress on honest) Dorothy Hoyt-Reed, retired government school teacher who will continue the fight for funded, good public schools, and the fight to give equal rights under the law regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, economic class, etc.

Cheryl Nelsen 2 years, 5 months ago

Is this comment serious or are you joking? Do you really think this way? I'm certainly glad you would not choose to be a teacher. You do not meet the qualifications if that is how you think.

Paul Beyer 2 years, 5 months ago

Ms Nelsen, She probably could get hired in TX, AL, OK, or AZ, but definitely well qualified for TX.

Steve King 2 years, 5 months ago

Are you an Educator Marilyn? What an uninformed comment. Been in a classroom lately or did you get that info from the news? I have children in school and can say you're wrong. Little boys in dresses? Are you nuts?

Carol Bowen 2 years, 5 months ago

"Demographics also play a role as baby boomers nearing retirement age are coping with new caps on how much outside income a retired teacher can earn while still drawing a state pension."

What does this statement mean. Is there a cap on additional income for retired teachers?

Renee Patrick 2 years, 5 months ago

Teachers would retire from one district and then go work for a community college for example and earn their pension and a full time salary. The state put a cap on the total extra salary they can earn, making full time work like that nearly impossible after retirement.

Ron Young 2 years, 5 months ago

In addition to the restrictions on income, the post retirement teachers are currently supporting KPERS with 22% of that salary. The recent legislative action sited that post retirement teachers were a detriment to KPERS because of the "double dipping," but that doesn't fit with the previous regulations. The increase from $20K to $25K is good for the post retirement teachers who are serving as paraprofessionals and support personnel, but not for teachers who are employed as teachers.

Greg Cooper 2 years, 5 months ago

Three new accounts on one story: Charles Hauder, William Aness, and Marilyn Willett, all exhibiting poor language, spelling and punctuation skills, and all at the same time. No attempt at defending their hateful, racist comments.

Nick, do you guys check out new accounts?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 5 months ago

Probably one person, the person who sent me a snail mail letter, which led to my new ending signature to all my posts.

From the real and honest to goodness (stress on honest) Dorothy Hoyt-Reed, retired government school teacher who will continue the fight for funded, good public schools, and the fight to give equal rights under the law regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, economic class, etc.

Paul Beyer 2 years, 5 months ago

Ms Hoyt-Reed, easy to guess which former, once more banned poster from forum would do that. One of his strongest characteristics.

Barb Gordon 2 years, 5 months ago

This just in: odds are good that our favorite former poster does have one of those fake IDs he hated so much, but he's not posting on this particular thread. At least not yet. This just in: check out the comments on the article about the accidental shooting and see if you see what I see.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 5 months ago

Why don't you "brainwash" your own children?

From the real and honest to goodness (stress on honest) Dorothy Hoyt-Reed, retired government school teacher who will continue the fight for funded, good public schools, and the fight to give equal rights under the law regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, economic class, etc.

Paul Beyer 2 years, 5 months ago

Ms Hoyt-Reed, sure Bart has already done a good job of brainwashing his own children. No outside help needed or wanted.

Barb Gordon 2 years, 5 months ago

It's possible to be both. But let's play. Home-schooled shooters:

Adam Lanza

Matthew Murray

This 12-year-old: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/12-year-old-colo-boy-in-custody-parents-shot-dead-siblings-wounded/

This teen: http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2012/10/parker-county-teen-in-custody-after-mother-sister-shot-to-death.html/

David Gregory Ludwig

Only about 3% of kids are home-schooled. So what percentage of shooters is this?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 5 months ago

A few corporations control the press, but I guess since your wonderful capitalist have bought and paid for our government "of the people,by the people, for the people" I guess it's the same thing.

So public schools cause shooting sprees? It has nothing to do with your heroes not allowing family members to have severely mentally ill relatives committed to the mental hospitals that no longer exist, because your conservative politicians decided to listen to Thomas Zsazs? That's quite a stretch. Don't get popped when it snaps.

From the real and honest to goodness (stress on honest) Dorothy Hoyt-Reed, retired government school teacher who will continue the fight for funded, good public schools, and the fight to give equal rights under the law regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, economic class, etc.

Joe Blackford II 2 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, you Rothbardians are a hoot. Were you recruited in the "Outreach to the Rednecks" campaign?

Joe Blackford II 5 months, 3 weeks ago Your anarchy icon, is that meant to represent your belief in anarchy, or just "anarcho-capitalist of the Rothbard school of thought?"

I had to look Murray Rothbard up, Wiki has a long litany of Rothbard's beliefs:

"Rothbard's remark that intellectual and "temperamental" differences between races are “self-evident”. = (blacks are genetically inferior to whites with respect to intelligence)

Rothbard stated that parents should have the legal right to let any infant die by starvation, considered child neglect. However, according to Rothbard, "the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children". In a fully libertarian society, he wrote, "the existence of a free baby market will bring such 'neglect' down to a minimum"

He (Rothbard) argues that police should be able to torture certain types of criminal suspects, including accused murderers, for information related to their alleged crime.

" Rothbard "applauded the “right-wing populism” of David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard who ran for governor of Louisiana."[123] According to Reason, Rothbard advocated right-wing populism in part because he was frustrated that mainstream thinkers were not adopting the libertarian view and suggested that Duke and former Wisconsin U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy were models for an "Outreach to the Rednecks" effort that could be used by a broad libertarian/paleoconservative coalition. Working together, the paleo coalition would expose the "unholy alliance of 'corporate liberal' Big Business and media elites, who, through big government, have privileged and caused to rise up a parasitic Underclass." Rothbard blamed this "Underclass" for "looting and oppressing the bulk of the middle and working classes in America."

IMHO, flaunting the Libertarian anarchy or "anarcho-capitalist" symbol would be more impressive IF you'd have it tattooed on your forehead to save others from attempting to reason with you.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 5 months ago

Where did Bart go? Has he run back into the woodwork after being exposed for his stupid racist inhumane and childish beliefs?

Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

Chasing teachers out of state to work will provide local economies with a negative hit. People spend money where they work instead of spending more of it in their respective home towns.

When Kansas has no public education taxpayers will wake up ........ a day late and quite a few dollars shorter.

How many truly want our schools reflecting a Sam Brownback administration? and costing more money than ever in our Kansas history. Sounds devastating.

--- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-van-roekel/exposing-alecs-agenda-to-_b_3223651.html

--- http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/opinion/whats-the-matter-with-kansas-schools.html

Vouchers are a vehicle to funnel tax dollars into private schools. Using the false promise of “choice,” they are an unabashed abandonment of public education and of our hopes for a vibrant democracy.

--- http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/13-0

--- Kansas Is Totally Screwed: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/sam-brownback-kansas-tax-cuts-failing

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