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Regents want to know what concealed carry would mean for each building on each public college campus

October 21, 2013

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— The Kansas Board of Regents has directed universities to conduct a building-by-building assessment on their campuses of the impact of allowing concealed carry of guns.

"We are trying to educate ourselves," said Regents Chairman Fred Logan Jr. of Leawood.

Legislation approved last session and signed into law by Gov. Sam Brownback expanded where people with concealed carry permits can take their guns.

The new law allows the weapons into public buildings that don't have certain types of security measures, such as metal detectors and trained guards.

Many of these public entities, including universities, have received temporary exemptions under the law. Universities have taken a four-year exemption.

But after 2017, campus buildings must allow concealed carry unless the building has adequate security.

Logan said a building-by-building study may help the regents and legislators determine if there need to be any changes or future exceptions to the law.

There are more than 850 buildings in the university system, including those with child care, labs with chemicals, dormitories, sports complexes, student unions and others.

Regent Tim Emert of Independence noted that the Kansas University Medical Center has numerous exits and entrances.

Kansas University officials declined to comment on the building assessment, but school officials have consistently opposed allowing concealed carry onto campus.

In 2012, Richard Johnson, chief of University Police at KU Medical Center, said allowing concealed carry on campuses would increase security risks and complicate the job of law enforcement.

"Police must treat any report of an armed individual on campus with extreme caution and rapid response," Johnson testified to the Legislature. "How does the responding officer know which person in the classroom of 300 students is legally in possession of a firearm or is armed with the intention of killing others?"

Regents members and staff say they expect the system-wide assessment to take the better part of a year.

In addition to enumerating entrances and exits, they want to know each building's hours of operation, average occupancy, proximity to campus police or other police, the existing security situation, and any other special considerations.

"Any information that they want to provide us would be great," Logan said.

Comments

Jason Johnson 1 year, 2 months ago

What Richard Johnson fails to realize is that someone with the intent to kill is going to bring a weapon in a building regardless if guns are allowed or not.

Legal CC holders aren't going to be brandishing their weapons except in a defense situation.

Why does it seem like city (and university or other special jurisdiction) police chiefs don't seem to get this concept, yet the county sheriffs (all over our nation) do?

Bud Stagg 1 year, 2 months ago

Barbara, a noble thought. My concern is how far away the police would be? A bad guy could do a lot of damage in 5 minutes. However if he is dodging bullets from a good guy, any good guy, then he probably won't hurt as many people. I don't care how we do it, we need more good guys out there to stop bad guys. More police would be preferable as they are better trained, but very expensive. But if it means saving the life of an innocent person, I'll take anyone who will help defend the defenseless. So we either figure out how to take all guns away in a public building or let the good guys carry theirs. CCW holders, to my knowledge, are highly unlikely to ever be bad guys.

Amy Varoli Elliott 1 year, 2 months ago

What the country needs is to start addressing the mental health problems in the US, both to stop those who may commit the crimes and those who have paranoid tendencies and think they need to carry a gun. CCW holders actually have a higher rate of sexual offenses and weapons charges then the general public. We could also use media outlets that stop feeding the general public fear after fear.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 2 months ago

Amy can you provide a source for your stats on CCW holders? What you contend is not what I've read before so I'd like to review your data

Leslie Swearingen 1 year, 2 months ago

Thank you Barbara and roamer for the best comments ever on this subject. I am imagining a shooting scene where the police arrive and yell, "okay, police officers here. I want all the bad guys to go to that side of the room, and all the good guys to that side."

"Of course, you all may keep your weapons while we all discuss this."

Flap Doodle 1 year, 2 months ago

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Terry Snell II 1 year, 2 months ago

I understand both sides opinions. Traveling throughout this country, one thing is clear....Gun control does not work. Take a trip to Chicago with your family or downtown Kansas city at night. I commend our state for understanding the right to protect ourselves. I can recall many horrible attacks in the last few years but not ONE CCW incident that took a innocent life. I would hope that my child has someone armed at school if a mental nut decides to snap. That's my opinion and you all have a great day.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 2 months ago

Barbara, Chicago, DC and Detroit have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and it doesn't work there. How have people systematically made their gun control laws not work?

By people do you mean criminals or do you mean people that support the 2nd amendment?

Fred Mertz 1 year, 2 months ago

So you want to ban all guns? Even then how do you keep them from entering our country illegally. We can't keep drugs or people out but we will be able to keep out guns?

Mike Riner 1 year, 2 months ago

Barbara, in what way do people "make sure it can't work?" You mean the fact that the criminals simply ignore the laws? The fact that in jurisdictions where you can't legally arm and defend yourselves, the only folks who are unarmed are the law abiding folks.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 2 months ago

Barbara specifics please. What has the NRA done to hobble the ATF enforcement of gun laws?

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