Archive for Wednesday, May 29, 2013

County commissioners blast concealed-carry law

May 29, 2013


Douglas County commissioners made it clear Wednesday night that they do not approve of the state's new concealed-carry gun law, and they hope local governments throughout Kansas will band together in the near future to urge that it be changed or repealed.

"This is a local government issue, not a Kansas state government issue, and it should be dealt with locally by local government officials," said Commissioner Jim Flory, a Republican and former prosecutor. "But realizing the state has passed this statute, we need to make every effort we can to work with the Kansas Association of Counties to try to get some amendment."

The law, passed by the Kansas Legislature and signed by Gov. Sam Brownback in April, requires most local governments to allow people who hold concealed-carry permits to bring handguns into public buildings, unless the building is equipped with "adequate security measures" to make sure nobody, with or without a permit, can bring weapons into the building.

The statute defines adequate security measures as: "electronic equipment and personnel at public entrances to detect and restrict the carrying of any weapons into the state or municipal building, including, but not limited to, metal detectors, metal detector wands or any other equipment used for similar purposes to ensure that weapons are not permitted to be carried into such building by members of the public."

The statute takes effect July 1, but local governments are allowed to exempt themselves until Jan. 1, 2014, if they notify the Kansas Attorney General.

Commissioners approved sending that letter.

The law also allows local governments to request a four-year exemption, which would run through July 1, 2017, provided they show that they have a plan to secure the buildings they want to exempt.

For Douglas County, that would involve the courthouse at 1100 Massachusetts St.; the Public Works facility at 1242 Massachusetts St.; the Lawrence-Douglas County health facility at 200 Maine St.; the juvenile detention facility at 330 Industrial Lane; and the Douglas County Fairgrounds.

The Judicial and Law Enforcement Center, 111 E. 11th St., already has metal detectors and security guards in place.

"The next step in this process will be to sit down and figure out how many thousands of dollars we will have to utilize on staff and equipment to meet these somewhat nebulous standards that have been set out instead of spending our precious tax dollars on things that our community wants them spent on," Flory said.

The law, however, does not require that local governments install those security measures. The alternative, and the intent of the law, is to allow people with permits to carry concealed weapons into public buildings.

But Flory said that was unacceptable. And Commissioners Nancy Thellman and Mike Gaughan, both Democrats, indicated that they agree.

"My view is that the only people who ought to be carrying concealed weapons in county facilities are certified law enforcement officers," Flory said. "That's my view, and I think it's a view shared by a good portion of this community."

"That's right," Gaughan said.

"What he said," Thellman added.


jayhawklawrence 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Here's a thought.

Stop spending our tax money unnecessarily.

It's not yours to spend. Hello?


In_God_we_trust 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Why do county commissioners think that they need a special (and expensive) level of protection and security that they are not willing to provide for everyone else? Why are they so privileged above the public? If their policies were at peace and in agreement with the public, they would not have a special elite need for such security, but would be open and friendly to serving the public openly. IMO.


oldexbeat 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Stop using Wyatt Earp references -- when he was the law of Dodge City, you had to check your guns before you went into the bars north of the railroad. No guns were allowed to be carried in the nice part of town. Guess that wouldn't be legal now.


LawrenceVeteran 10 months, 3 weeks ago

I will keep this short and simple. No matter how much people argue on here, there is one basic fact to keep in mind. Kansas Law clearly states that no local government may pass gun laws, stricter than that of the states. And if we really have to go into statistics, cities with a higher number of law abiding firearm owners, have a lower amount of gun violence. After all, we see how well an all-out gun ban is working out for Chicago.


jayhawklawrence 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Over the last 20 years our American style freedoms and our privacy have been disappearing as we trade away liberty for the promise of greater security from our expanding government.

Politicians who have the most money to spend tend to be elected as the value of the individual citizen seems to lessen every year. And so too our access to our own government.

We were warned that we should not take our liberty for granted and yet we give it up so easily.


gatekeeper 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Please take a moment and read through the info on this link. It's all data, not opinions. It's not a culture of violence, lack of a strong family unit, and the disregard the law and for human life that is the problem. This is a well put together look at the numbers behind guns and violence.

One key point shown is that as gun ownership decreases, so do violent crimes and murders. Currently, households with guns are decreasing, but gun ownership is increasing because a small amount of citizens that are paranoid are stock piling guns.

Keep in mind that only 3M Americans are NRA members, but the NRA (with money from the gun industry) control our laws and elections. We're letting this tiny little group control our country. The majority of Americans want gun control, but it won't happen because the NRA is paying off politicians. The NRA is great at making sure paranoid gun owners feel they need to stock pile weapons, when no one is taking their guns. We're supposed to be a representative democracy, but have to bow to the NRA.

Again, stay paranoid and make sure you're armed. Just remember, you're 4.5 times more likely to be involved in a shooting.


gatekeeper 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Please check out this site.

Since 2007, 14 law enforcement officers have been killed by CC permit holders.

494 private citizens have been killed by CC permit holders.

23 mass shootings have been committed by CC permit holders.

35 murder suicides have been committed by CC permit holders.

It's not just an idiot here or there that left the safety off and had it in their pocket while at a restaurant. Anyone with no past criminal record who takes a little course (in some states no course) can CC. quit talking about how CC people are safe and don't commit crimes and how you'll all keep us safer. I don't need or want anyone else to protect my safety. That's why we have a police force.


gatekeeper 10 months, 3 weeks ago

So tiring hearing how CC permit holders will save us all and aren't dangerous. Those that are paranoid feel the need to carry weapons.

Guess what? In many states, it's so easy to get a permit. In VA (where I have friends and know first hand), you only have to show "competence" to get a permit. That includes just watching a video on gun safety. You don't even have to attend a single class. Once you get a CC for any state, you can pay a small fee and get one that will cover you in 31 other states. Have a FL permit, you're legal in KS. So, someone can easily get a permit without even taking a class, then carry in most states (including KS).


coebam 10 months, 3 weeks ago

@ Topple - Look - one can go out and find eveidence to support this, or any other argument, both ways. Yes accidents happen with CC holders. But police make mistakes too. There is friendly fire in the theatre of war. You can call us idiots, irresponsible, paranoid, or whatever other adjective comes to mind. But the bottom line is that CCL holders understand the responsibilty to be able to protect our own. It's as simple as that. The three examples you posted are unfortunate yes...However the first guy was drinking alcohol (illegal), the guy in the chinese restaruant was arrested for illegal possesion of a firearm, and the third guy appears to be an idiot. Sadley, every group has a few idiots around. In all the cases you listed, if the firearm were to have been securly holstered, not one neglagent discharge would have happend. it's all about being a RESPONSIBLE gun owner. Maybe you should go to a range sometime. You might have some fun.


To Sides 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Would someone please tell me where in Douglas County, besides the FOP lodge, there is a target range for pistol/rifles? It seems lately there are a lot of people living on 2-5 acre plots in the county who think it is ok to target practice in their back yards regardless of how far a bullet will travel.


Karl_Hungus 10 months, 3 weeks ago

This is more likely to happen....

Have there been any incidents of evildoers shooting up any of the places mentioned?


jayhawklawrence 10 months, 3 weeks ago

I agree that they should have spent that money on security long ago if they were so concerned but since law abiding citizens are involved, we now have an emergency situation.

It could not be more rediculous.


jayhawklawrence 10 months, 3 weeks ago

The County AND City Commissioners should spend more of their time trying to figure out how to manage our resources more efficiently and how to bring more jobs to this area.

Weren't we ranked 178 out of 179 in the country? That is an F on anybody's report card.

But we would rather waste time trying to spend money on metal detectors and security guards or anti-drone (fraud) legislation.

We spend too much money in this county for what we are getting back and we don't have the brightest people running for political office.


reality_check79 10 months, 3 weeks ago

I feel safer already... Double shootings, federal gun charges, and that's just a couple idiots from topeka this month... I'll be keeping mine close to me thank you very much!


ejg91780 10 months, 3 weeks ago

I always found it strange that with a consealed carry license I cannot go into any government building but anyone intent on slamming open the door and shooting everyone inside can. Its like posting a sign that says "all law abiding gun owners leave your gun in the car. All crazy lunatics with assult weapons come on in!"


Biscayne 10 months, 3 weeks ago

County commissioners don,t run the state, Thank God for that!.


oldexbeat 10 months, 3 weeks ago

time to move from huge government Kansas to county and city rights-- I mean, if states have rights, why not my block? Time to stop the invasive Brownback Tea Party Koch Bros. LLC.


Iam Tired 10 months, 3 weeks ago

"Free antipsychotics...... for all paranoids !

You give a paranoid CC and they will be back in a while wanting to be able to wear obvious body armor, Kevlar helmets, they will want to bring in their own bomb sniffing dogs and park their used M1A1 safe ride tank out front !"

Ironic post of the day!

As for courthouse shootings and violence? A significant and rapidly rising number.


Liberty275 10 months, 3 weeks ago

If you are so scared of guns in government buildings, why haven't we had metal detectors at those buildings before now? If you want to be exempt from the law while you put a system in place to protect us from the threat you perceive, why didn't you put the gadgets in 30 years ago? Or 10 years ago?

People don't waste their time and money on a CC permit to be criminals. All the criminal needs is a gun.


costello 10 months, 3 weeks ago

I agree with the commissioners. There's no reason to allow anyone other than law enforcement officers to carry guns on county property.


Zanti_Misfit 10 months, 3 weeks ago

I've heard that it is easier to control people if they cannot defend themselves. Is this true?


Benjamin Roberts 10 months, 3 weeks ago

"My view is that the only people who ought to be carrying concealed weapons in county facilities are certified law enforcement officers," Flory said. "That's my view, and I think it's a view shared by a good portion of this community."

Unfortunately, their is either a naivety or a willing ignorance if the commissioners believe that the current system only allows certified law enforcement officials to carry a concealed weapon into a county building. Those willing to break the law, those with evil intent, can carry a concealed weapon into any non-secured building. The "no gun" sign does not stop an evil person.

In fact, the only ones that currently can not carry into a public building is a licensed CCH. The criminal can (because he is willing to break the law), LEOs can (because they enforce the law), but CCH can not (because they obey the law).


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