Archive for Tuesday, May 7, 2013

City agrees to create resident-only parking zone on street near KU campus

May 7, 2013


The street is still public, but at least a couple of the parking spaces on it essentially will be private.

Lawrence city commissioners on Tuesday approved a new six-month pilot project that will create a “residents-only parking zone” on a congested portion of Edgehill Road near Kansas University.

But how the city defines resident is important — it won’t include the more than 100 fraternity or sorority members who live on houses along Edgehill.

The project drew objections from fraternity and sorority members who said the new parking system would discriminate against them.

“General taxpayers pay to have the roads maintained, and I think all general taxpayers ought to be able to use the roads,” said William Murfin, a member of Phi Delta Theta fraternity at 1621 Edgehill.

Ultimately, commissioners ended up siding with Steven Watts, a resident who lives year-round in a home along Edgehill.

“There is simply nowhere to park on Edgehill,” Watts said. “I think this is a reasonable compromise.”

The pilot project will involve installing “Resident Parking Only” signs on 50 feet of street on the north side of Edgehill Road, just east of Louisiana Street. The special parking area will be in front of Watts’ home at 1649 Edgehill and a separate property at 1647 Edgehill that is owned by Robert and Elaine Brewer, according to county property records.

Under the plan approved, the city would issue permits only to the property owners at 1647 and 1649 Edgehill, in essence, making it legal only for those property owners or their guests to park in those two on-street parking spaces.

The decision was new territory for the city. The city has created no-parking zones on public streets before, but the idea of limiting who can park on a street based on where they live is new. The idea created some concern among commissioners.

“I don’t think students from the University of Kansas who live here from August to May deserve to be treated like second-class citizens,” said City Commissioner Jeremy Farmer. “If this was the other way around, I think the residents who live there would be outraged if we were talking about giving permits only to students.”

But ultimately commissioners unanimously agreed to the pilot project, after the request was reduced from a 100-foot area to a 50-foot parking area.

Mayor Mike Dever said the two residences — which both have some off-street parking available on their properties — deserve to have reasonable access to parking spaces in front of their houses.

“This isn’t about punishing anybody,” Dever said. “It is about letting somebody who lives on this street freely enjoy their property.”

Commissioners said they understand residents in other neighborhoods may request similar type of resident-only parking areas for their neighborhoods. But commissioners said they thought this area was fairly unique in that the two houses virtually are surrounded by sorority and fraternity houses.

But Dever said a larger issue on parking near the university is likely to emerge in coming months. He said he wants the city to at least discuss the idea of creating a permit parking system for the Oread Neighborhood.

He said he could envision a system that would deter people who live outside of Oread from driving into the neighborhood and using the neighborhood’s on-street parking as a free way to park near the university.

Other commissioners, however, did not weigh in on that topic Tuesday night.


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

So ;is this parking thingy for Owner Occupied or Resident? Take your choice, if Resident, then every house in Oread needs an assigned space in front because each house has a resident. I can see it now, the house numbers painted on the street and at minimum 12 signs per block.

Dever is clueless and Amyx as well for supporting ithis.


Sylvie Rueff 11 months, 1 week ago

In the future, it might be a good idea to make sure the number of off-street parking spaces matches the sleeping capacity/number of bedrooms of any structure, in single family and, especially, in multiple occupancy/multi-family dwellings. Streets are for driving and temporary parking. It should be in the building codes - with no exceptions.


gr 11 months, 1 week ago

Excepting this is a case where giving permits to people who live in the area is not the case. It's discriminating against certain people who live in the area in favor of certain others who live in the area.


ItTakesAVillage 11 months, 1 week ago

Seems like a sensible attempt to alleviate parking issues in some areas. This is no big deal,it is done in many cities and towns. Please tell me this is NOT a freedoms issue!


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

What makes Dever believe that those cars parked on Edgehill are all from the Greek houses?

Wilbur will bet they are not!

Dear City Attorney Wheeler,

Please issue permit for Wilbur. The space in front of my house is used by KU students going to class, The Oread Inn guests, Adams Center guests, so when may I expect my permit?

Btw, many around Lawrence High want theirs also.

Thank you Wilbur

P.s. I have off street parking just like Brewer and Watts. So what is the real reason behind this low watts parking plan on Edgehill?


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

When did a city street become a private parking stall? Brewer and watts have curb cuts and off street parking! How does this work, if Brewer uses both spaces, Watts has none?

We have a dim bullb commission with not much watts.


mikekt 11 months, 1 week ago

Maybe a fraternity house should be required to provide ample on their own land parking spaces for residents and visitors, as opposed to running a public annoyance to their neighbors .

I guess that everybody should have an excuse to be rude and to impose their needs on others ( in general ) if it suits the size of their play ground requirements ?!

This is what people go to colleges, to learn ?...........and it is not a big leap from learning that..... to creating credit default swaps ( financial weapons of mass destruction that create plenty of cash flow to lobby criminal politicians with ) that nobodies responsible for ( after all, you decided to invest in some investment bank-you should have done your guessing-better-because they aren't obliged to care about you or your losses! How many bankers went to jail for that robbery? ) or the next LLC ( limited liability corporation ) whose corporate ownerships behavior, truly answers to no one ( but maybe God, in the long run ) !


homechanger 11 months, 1 week ago

Shouldn't the home owners who benefit from this privatization of public property have to pay all of us fair market price? Would the precedent be set for all properties to receive the same benefit?


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

Mr watts may be payed for a stooge by the commission before this is over. Why? Who is going to enforce this most hair brained idea yet?

Everyone, go to that street and look at all of the signs now on Edgehill?

None of them make much sense!


optimist 11 months, 1 week ago

I'm not a student and I'm not always sympathetic of the students that live in our community especially because of some of the behavior I witness from them, but I am a tax payer. I understand the concern of the residents that live there but they knew the issues when they decided to live there and made a choice. The Commission should be ashamed of itself. Nowhere in the city should public property be reserved for only some residents to use. It's a public street for crying out loud. I know people that live in the area so I am familiar with the issue. As a taxpayer I have a small share of ownership of that 50ft. of street side parking and demand fair use of it as we all should. This is a very bad precedence to set.


gccs14r 11 months, 1 week ago

The easy solution is to make it so that only residents and their guests can park within the confines of their frontage. The boarding houses can work out by lottery/seniority/some other method who gets to park at curbside if there are more cars than spaces.


gr 11 months, 1 week ago

What about handicapped people? Will they be able to park there?


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

Who is going to enforce the permit only space? Well, actually there is NO permit, just a sign!

Is a resident someone living at an address?

How will the signage read?

Mr Dever can you answer te questions?


Nikonman 11 months, 1 week ago

Have you seen the price of on-campus parking lately? Depending on the time of day, a KU parking permit is a "hunting License" for a parking spot. Aside from that, why should KU Classified employees have to pay to park where they work? As far as I know, KU is the only employer in Douglas county that charges it's employees to park where they work and even then you are normally parked the equivalent of 3-4 blocks away from your workplace.


gr 11 months, 1 week ago

If you are a resident and you don't have a private reserved parking space in front of your house, you are being discriminated against. Looks like the sorority and fraternity houses need to show up at city hall and demand where their reasonable access to parking spaces in front of their houses are and demand the city provides it at taxpayer expense!


yourworstnightmare 11 months, 1 week ago

This should also happen in the neighborhood south of campus from Louisiana to Missouri north of 19th.

There is plenty of on-campus parking available for students, faculty, and staff. Not wanting to pay for a parking permit is no reason to clog up residential streets and make living in those areas miserable.

I don't live in that area but see what trouble it causes to residents.


fu7il3 11 months, 1 week ago

Does this mean we can all get assigned parking spaces on our respective streets? That seems to be the precedent set by this.


Alceste 11 months, 1 week ago

William Murfin, a member of Phi Delta Theta fraternity at 1621 Edgehill left out the reality that very large living group filed for a variance to modify their inadequate parking lot because the type of vehicles they're parking in that lot are so large. Coupled with that variance is creation of a playground, including a basketball court, among other things. Perhaps William Murfin, a member of Phi Delta Theta fraternity at 1621 Edgehill and that living facility might want to consider adding more parking instead of a playground?

Just as poster The_Big_B opines above "If you don't like tight parking, it seems like you should have two choices --- 1) Don't move in next to a large University, or 2) Provide for yourself, with off-street parking." One is compelled to ask "Why join a living group if it can't provide parking?" Read about the Phi Delta Theta parking variance request here: ITEM #4


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

Wilbur would rather see parking removed from all streets in Oread! Improve the alleys and create parking "off street"

Put meters on all perimeter streets around the campus. Use the revenue to keep alleys maintained. Parking meters would have one hour limits!


Larrytown 11 months, 1 week ago

Agree with the Commission. This is a reasonable compromise to allow residents of the neighborhood access to parking in the front of their house. IMO...a no brain decision. It'll be interesting if they decide to expand this project to other areas (i.e. Oread neighborhood). I think they probably should.

When I used to live in Denver, a similiar project was in place. Residences had to obtain stickers (limited to 2 per resident) and place them on their cars. This was needed because of the commercial and hospital activity within 2-3 blocks from the hood.


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

Will the sign read Resident Only? Hmmmm?


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

Mr muffin, yes we pay to maintain roads, but in Lawrence they are not maintained.

Wilbur would prefer to see parking REMOVED from the streets so the road can be used and cleaned. Pretty dumb to plow snow around cars.!


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

Why would one want to parking between 2am -5am. If one needs a permit to park?

So who is going to monitor the permit spaces?

If mr Dever wants to improves parking in Oread, then he can call the police when driveways are blocked, he can get with Corliss and improve the alleys so people will use them to get to off street parking.

Dever is grandstanding! What a disappointment. Good luck to mr watts, but the designated spaces will have cars in them, and the police will take their time showing up to get the car towed. As of now, the police try to find the owner to move the car!!!!

Does mr watts have any off street parking that meets code?


Alceste 11 months, 1 week ago

This concept reads like one that can work if Lawrence wants it to work. Lawrence, Kansas enters the arena of Residential Parking just as have many other university communities. What's the big deal? It does appear it's been done before and even at KSU in Manhattan.

Compare Lawrence and KU to Evanston, IL and Northwestern University as an example:

"There are 25 different Residential Parking Districts established in areas where there is high demand for on-street parking or a need to reduce commuter parking in residential areas." The City of Evanston, again, the home of Northwestern notes "Only residents who live within a specific residential area can purchase residential parking permits."

It's not a new concept.

Read all about a fair and equitable system of parking in a place similar to Lawrence here:

KU has a lot of parking for sale to students, staff, faculty and pretty much anyone connected with the University. A Regular Joe or Jane Lawrence resident cannot purchase such a parking permit from KU.

Perhaps KU might want to consider opening up their lots and garages to any member of the Lawrence community. Alceste will take bets that the majority of cars parked on public streets around and about the KU footprint do not reside in the area. The owners of these cars who either attend KU or work at KU have options. Mere residents of Lawrence do not have these same options.

Evanston, IL and many, many, many other communities across the USA have resident parking mandates. They've had them for decades. It's past time Lawrence began to examine parity with respect to parking for non-KU folks.

Issue Residential Parking Permits ♦ Manhattan, KS: issues two permits per property at nominal fee. Overnight parking in neighborhoods near campus prohibited without a permit. ♦ Newark, DE: No more than 2 residential parking permits will be issued per address for any non-owner occupant single-family type dwelling requiring a rental permit. ♦ Columbus, OH: Limits number of ‘stacked’ cars in a driveway; also limits to area devoted to parking and maneuvering of vehicles in the University District Overlay to 35% of lot to prevent the “auto salvage yards” syndrome. ♦ Eugene, OR: One permit per address, with a limited number of additional permits for a 2-hour parking limit only. ♦ East Lansing, MI: 24/7 program in select neighborhoods, which limits number of permits [up to 3 or 4, depending on area] per address. No on-street parking 2am-5am. Grandfathered businesses exempted. ♦ Bloomington, IN: Limits number of permits issued Greek houses in the neighborhood. Greek Houses do not receive visitor passes.

Kindly note what has been done in Bloomington!


Richard Heckler 11 months, 1 week ago

This permit concept is not new stuff. If my memory serves me well residents in some Philadelphia single family row house neighborhoods have permit parking neighborhoods. Which of course guarantees them parking near their resident.

In fact some residents use their vehicle as little as possible so as not to risk losing space. Public transportation provides this opportunity. Then again this area has many small neighborhood grocery stores within walking distance. These busy Mom and Pop stores do it again.


JayhawkFan1985 11 months, 1 week ago

How do you enjoy your property when parking on a public street in front of your property?


LJ Whirled 11 months, 1 week ago

Was KU already there when Steven moved in? (hint: yes, it was)

If you don't like tight parking, it seems like you should have two choices --- 1) Don't move in next to a large University, or 2) Provide for yourself, with off-street parking.

It is outrageous to have part of the public street dedicated to exclusive, private use. What are they thinking?

This is not okay.


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 1 week ago

And how does Mr. Dever plan to enforce permit parking for the Oread Neighborhood?


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