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Kansas Legislature

Hearing scheduled on bill prohibiting abortion if fetal heartbeat detectable

March 25, 2013

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— A House committee has scheduled a public hearing for a bill that would prohibit an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detectable.

The hearing has been scheduled for 8 a.m. Tuesday before the House Federal and State Affairs Committee.

House Bill 2324 has 32 sponsors.

The proposal has been pushed for years by anti-abortion activist Mark Gietzen.

Gietzen has said the bill would ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detectable, which can be as early as seven weeks.

Abortion rights supporters said if the bill became law it would be the most extreme abortion restriction in the United States and trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade.

Elise Higgins, lobbyist and state co-coordinator for Kansas NOW, said, "Not only is House Bill 2324 clearly a way for Kansas legislators to challenge Roe on the taxpayer dime, notice of the hearing was given less than 24 hours in advance to the general public. We condemn this underhanded approach to legislation unprecedented in its extremity, and are committee to fighting it every step of the way."

Comments

Clickker 1 year, 9 months ago

If there is no heartbeat, then why would one need the proceedure?

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

Anybody who thinks a heartbeat equals "life" failed high school biology. Idiots.

Currahee 1 year, 9 months ago

And what would your definition of life be?

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

When the cerebral cortex begins to develop at 28 weeks. But that's a personal opinion. I don't force it on other people. Truth is, "opinions" are like belly buttons; everyone has one.

myavaka 1 year, 9 months ago

Ironically, all paintings of Adam and Eve include belly buttons. Some people will have to think about that for a while before the "Ah-ha" moment hits them.

Currahee 1 year, 9 months ago

Thanks for your response. I think, from looking at the Mayoclinic's website, week 20 would be an appropriate limit to abortions when it is non-life threatening and any period okay when it is life threatening to the mother or in special circumstances (e.g. you know the baby is going to be born with a birth defect and they probably won't live on their own for long). Just kind of iffy if the baby starts responding to your voice and gains the ability to swallow. But like you, that's just my opinion to have a discussion and not boot thumping my views on people. Thanks for the discussion...

Currahee 1 year, 9 months ago

No I meant when life begins, pertaining to the conversation.

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

Oh my. It's the panty brigade. All that's missing is Lance Kinzer.

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

They can't even provide Biblical reasons, much less non-Biblical.

mom_of_three 1 year, 9 months ago

Question for all those house representatives... If you think the heartbeat equals life, and therefore no abortion, what about the mother? She has a heartbeat, and yet you have no problems making her wishes or her life totally irrelevant.

elliottaw 1 year, 9 months ago

the state doesn't want to fund education for the population that they have now, what do they think forcing all these kids to be born is going to do besides drive the price of that up. Not to mention if these families are not well off or the parents kick the pregnant person out of the family then more money will be needed for welfare type programs.

Brady Swenson 1 year, 9 months ago

The thing that always gets me is that we know that making abortion illegal does not reduce it. Countries in Eastern Europe where abortion is illegal have similar estimated rates of illegal abortion than their neighbors have for legal abortion... mostly because those countries where abortion is legal and regulated (especially after the first trimester, as we do here) also provide comprehensive sex education and access to contraception. Making abortion illegal does not end abortion it simply makes obtaining an abortion much more dangerous and makes women second-class citizens. It's not an easy issue to talk about, but it's clear that providing comprehensive sex education, easy access to contraception, including emergency contraception, and access to safe, regulated abortion is the best way to reduce abortion. All the while trusting women to make their own healthcare decisions!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html?_r=0

fiddleback 1 year, 9 months ago

You should see the critically acclaimed Romanian film 4 months, 3 weeks and 2 days, which offers a horrific example of how crude and exploitative these illegal abortions can be.

Mark Pickerel 1 year, 9 months ago

Exactly. I think that banning or restricting abortion basically only bans or restricts it for women who don't have the resources to fly/drive to another state where it is safe and legal.

chootspa 1 year, 9 months ago

So are they going to let women die of ectopic pregnancies?

fiddleback 1 year, 9 months ago

I figured it was only a matter of time before these troglodytes became jealous of their peers in South Dakota and Arkansas appearing to be more zealous on this issue. Last week's proposed restrictions on tax breaks and sex ed. during the budget talks were just foreplay for what will surely become a giddy all-out assault on reproductive freedom.

And I have little doubt that whatever garbage they produce will pass. Somebody should start working on a tombstone:

Basic Human Equality and Dignity in the State of Kansas: 1859 * -2013 **

• Outlawed slave labor in the state constitution, 1859

•• Mandated reproductive slavery, forcing women to go through labor, 2013.

gccs14r 1 year, 9 months ago

It's yet another proposed law that is obviously unconstitutional to anyone who can read.

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

Bring up the oldie and moldy PA guy, WT. Everyone knows he was a monster and he's been arrested and will be tried. What are you griping about? That he violated the law? Wow. Give it a rest. You. me and Mount Rushmore know it's a not a typical case.

Thomas Bryce 1 year, 9 months ago

Life is defined, By our Legislature(Experts on Life, so they say), as a Heartbeat. Glad they did not require a Spine. That would leave all our Legislators, who sponsored this bill, OUT!

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

Hey, if you're a Mormon you can even be born again when you're dead!
(Wait, is that reincarnation? I'm confused.)

Frederic Gutknecht IV 1 year, 9 months ago

Obviously this is a great thing. Our lawmakers finally understand evolution. They see that all heartbeats could lead to this wonderful human condition, including war, poverty, despotism, capitalistic enslavement and religious conversion into capitalist piggy ways. They are showing their love of the idea that every living (a.k.a. "heart-beating") thing can be regulated by zealots. They now must all embrace the idea of veganism, as a heart beats in every squirrel, pig, sloth, cow and shrew. That's amazing.

These guys are awesome. The fact that they have no heart should not have any impact upon the passing of this important legislation. Go for the gusto, little Jesus monkeys!

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

“There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women." -Madeline Albright

bad_dog 1 year, 9 months ago

No "skirting" on their double-wides...

Anthony Mall 1 year, 9 months ago

How is this anyone's issue??? All of these "experts" obviously knowing more than anyone else posting are clearly in a position to judge what is life and what isn't... unless you have been in the situation yourself, you have no right to persuade anyone about anything... Not you, not brownback, not anyone... This article should have comments turned off, and this bill should be a non-political issue...

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

This is NOT a "non-political issue". Not when the lives of women are at stake. I stated that my opinion on "when life begins" was an OPINION. I've also said that opinions, outside of the courts, have no place in government. The government CERTAINLY has no right to legislate something that even medical ethicists can't agree on. That is a highly personal belief and needs to be left up to each individual situation and woman.

deec 1 year, 9 months ago

I agree to an extent. If you are incapable of becoming pregnant, then you have no right to either persuade anyone or make laws regarding pregnancy and abortion.

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

I just saw on KS NOW's Twitter that this bill was deliberately written to go to SCOTUS.
The bill was written by a PAC called Faith to Action and was introduced into committee by Mark Gietzen and Troy Newman, both anti-abortion extremists that are on Federal government watch lists and non-legislators. A representative from Faith to Action called it a "finely crafted arrow" aimed directly at Justice Kennedy. During his testimony, Troy Newman called the SCOTUS, "a ghoulish oligarchy of men called the Supreme Court" and that they were "pro-abortion left".
Reproductive rights groups were given less than 24 hours notice that this bill was being heard in committee. As a consequence, pro bill testimony out numbered them 2:1.
Estimated costs to the state of taking the bill to SCOTUS are between $700k and one million dollars. Proponents of the bill called it "opportunity costs".
This is dirty politics at it's best, people. I call BS!

Anthony Mall 1 year, 9 months ago

The point was that abortion should not be a political issue... the other point is that the LJworld should disable comments on these subjects because of the sensitive matter!! Too many nut cases take things way too far!!!

Anthony Mall 1 year, 9 months ago

Wow... Typical liberal logic right there... Because i am republican I am against abortion?? I am pro choice, and support gay gay marriage!! I'll give you a moment to pick up your chin......... Since when does every republican have to follow the old conservative path?? It is that belief by both sides that cause all the issues!!!

Thomas Bryce 1 year, 9 months ago

Go to a Republican Rally of your choosing, Get up on stage and proclaim that proudly. Then Duck. By the way, The people who follow the "old Conservative path", Were ousted by ultra conservative members of THEIR OWN party in the last few elections. You sound,to me ,Like a Moderate Republican. You are the Enemy of The New Republican party. Good look with your Liberal Conservatism Platform.

Anthony Mall 1 year, 9 months ago

The party is changing and has been for a while... Yes, a few old conservatives will never change and that is disappointing... I have no issue stating my opinion to anyone...

Thomas Bryce 1 year, 9 months ago

I can Respect that. Your views are not that different from mine. They( Friends, family, Debate rivals.) categorize me as a Blue Collar Conservative Democrat. What is a Name? All I know is I am An American who Loves my country and I want to see it get better not worse. Even if we don't agree, we can still respect the others view. THAT is what has disappeared in our government and we ALL should be worried.

Thomas Bryce 1 year, 9 months ago

Let it go Before the SCOTUS.They want to try to overturn Roe V Wade? Let them. There are plenty of anti-abortion activists who are scared to death of that ever happening because THEY KNOW it will be upheld. That is why they are going after funding and tax exemptions, adult stem cell research,etc. because they KNOW that is about all they have. The Public, in general, Supports a woman's right to choose even if they personally are against abortion. Send it to the SCOTUS. I dare You!

kansanjayhawk 1 year, 9 months ago

When a baby has a heartbeat it should not be treated worse than an animal by having it's life taken away. This is a moral issue and many Christians stand against this act of violence being allowed as a legal act.

Anthony Mall 1 year, 9 months ago

As a republican can I offer a bit of advice??? Too bad... When discussing abortion try not to bring up the whole Christian thing... It doesn't help when Christians had that little crusade era... (you know that little period where Christians murdererd an estimated 1-5 million people) *most historians agree the number 1-5 million killed

Sorry to bring that up... I too am a believer but I feel to believe so strong in something you must accept all that comes with it...

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

And let's not bring up that whole Inquisition thing, either, m'kay?

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