Editorial: Inane measure

A gun measure being considered in the Kansas Legislature is more than just a waste of legislators’ time.

March 1, 2013


No matter what your personal beliefs about firearms, automatic rifles, concealed carry, high-capacity magazines, background checks and other gun-related issues, there seems to be something preciously inane about a measure that’s being shepherded through the Kansas Legislature.

Wednesday, a House committee OK’d a bill called the Second Amendment Protection Act that says any personal firearm, accessory or ammunition that’s owned or manufactured in Kansas and that remains in the state is not subject to federal law. This seems to mean that if federal authorities try to enforce any kind of rule on a firearm, those officers could be arrested and imprisoned.

The office of the Kansas attorney general offered its perspective on the proposal, noting problems with that specific provision of the legislation, but those concerns were insufficient to deter consideration of the measure. It passed the House Federal and State Affairs committee without opposition on a voice vote. Now it’s on its way to the full House of Representatives.

The AG’s office apparently was less persuasive than the Kansas Medical Society, which objected to another provision of the legislation that would have blocked physicians from asking whether a patient owned a gun. The doctors said they needed to be free to make such an inquiry as a precaution when dealing, for example, with depressed individuals. That language was cut from the bill, although several committee members said they may bring it up again later.

Sometimes, when consideration of something like the state fossil or lizard becomes the subject of legislation, we wonder whether our lawmakers don’t have more important matters to address. But this specious Second Amendment Protection Act business makes us yearn for a focus on flora or fauna.


somebodynew 4 years, 10 months ago

The AG's Office was probably "less persuasive" than the Kansas Medical Society because they didn't bring in paid lobbiers and have money to donate to re-election campaigns. It apparently didn't even matter that the AG is the same party as the __ that brought the bill forward. And the fact that the AG Office (well AAG Klebe) estimated how much money it will cost to defend this "law". I guess the State has lots of spare money around to pay outside law firms - just not to help the ordinary citizen.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 10 months ago

Yep, the marching orders for this measure likely come from ALEC and/or the firearms industry's main lobbying organization, the NRA.

sciencegeek 4 years, 10 months ago

Funny how the Constitution gets held up as a rallying cry when it serves their purpose, but completely ignored when it doesn't. I doubt most of these guys have even read it.

Alyosha 4 years, 10 months ago

Inane is exactly right. This is what happens when poorly educated people are elected to legislatures.

Larry Sturm 4 years, 10 months ago

Mabe keeping guns in Kansas will start revolution agaijnst our corrupt government.

StephenCCH 4 years, 10 months ago

Why is it that prohibitionists think firearms that never leave the state are part of interstate commerce?

voevoda 4 years, 10 months ago

Pharmaceutical medicines that never leave the state are still regulated by the FDA, and rightly so. For similar reasons. Prohibiting enforcement of federal gun laws is as stupid as prohibiting enforcement of federal food and drug regulations, and as dangerous to the population.

Greg Cooper 4 years, 10 months ago

Follow the money, folks, and it will lead directly from the NRA/ALEC to the legislators' war chests.

If these people ever have an original thought, it will be a red-letter day. Til then, be ready for anything that is anti-Constitution.

Paul R Getto 4 years, 10 months ago

We are going through ALEC's looking glass and Muscular Sam is our new Alice. Wish they could figure out the budget. More workfare for attorneys.

verity 4 years, 10 months ago

No doubt we have gone through the Looking Glass, but please don't equate Gov Brownback with Alice. I won't have Alice insulted like that. I just won't have it!

Ken Lassman 4 years, 10 months ago

Hey, folks, this is seriously crazy legislation--check it out here: http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2199_00_0000.pdf and tell me if you think it'll make you feel more secure in your compound--I mean home, school or place of work. Maybe this is an arm of Brownback's economic strategy for economic development: a no-holds-barred, in-state firearms and accessories manufacturing industry to place an M-16 in every pot! It's time for folks to get off their duffs and contact their legislators or else:

Language from the bill: "The tenth amendment to the constitution of the United States guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of Kansas certain powers as they were understood at the time that Kansas was admitted to statehood in 1861. The guaranty of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and people of Kansas and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Kansas in 1859 and the United States in 1861."

OK, so if the state of Kansas decides to make a law allowing slavery or poll taxes, or alternatively prohibits women from voting, prohibits collection of income taxes or takes away due process, it's OK because none of those were in the US Constitution at the time of our original contract for statehood in 1859???

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Ken Lassman 4 years, 10 months ago

...continued language from the legislation:

"Firearms accessories that are imported into Kansas from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in Kansas".

"Sec. 5. A firearm manufactured in Kansas within the meaning of sections 1 through 11, and amendments thereto, must have the words "Made in Kansas" clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame."

"Sec. 6. (a) Any act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation of the government of the United States which violates the second amendment to the constitution of the United States is null, void and unenforceable in the state of Kansas."

"(b) No official, agent or employee of the state of Kansas, nor any dealer selling any firearm in the state of Kansas, shall enforce or attempt to enforce any act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation of the government of the United States regarding any personal firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in the state of Kansas and that remains within the borders of Kansas."

Meth manufacturers, scoot over: "made in Kansas" is about to take on a whole new meaning.

Charles L. Bloss, Jr. 4 years, 10 months ago

I do not think this bill will accomplish anything, other than waste legislators time. Federal law usually takes precedence over state law in matters like this. I would much rather the legislature work on another firearms bill that enables us to carry in buildings without any in place security. It is up to each of us then to be responsible for our own protection, which we are anyway. As it now stands buildings with no gun signs leaves us as vulnerable as gun free zone signs on schools leave them vulnerable. Many mass shootings at schools demonstrate that the liberals gun free zones do exactly the opposite as intended. They insure that killers will likely face no armed resistance there. Every time I go into a no gun building, such as doctor's offices, hospitals, I feel vulnerable as some nut case will see this as an open hunting ground. I do not patronize stores, etc. with no gun signs, but I must go to the doctor. If these buildings do not have measures in place to protect me, they should not deprive me of the right to protect myself.

Keith 4 years, 10 months ago

Don't go anywhere then, you're too paranoid to be in public.

elliottaw 4 years, 10 months ago

board your house up and find a dark corner if the world scares you that much, because there are enough paranoid crazies walking around with guns waiting to shoot at a moments notice. If I don't want guns in my store I have a right to keep people from entering that are carrying them, if you don't like it don't enter that building.

robertsgunshop 4 years, 10 months ago

As is your right. And I have the right not to spend money in your store. See, it works out.

drake 4 years, 10 months ago

How do you propose to stop them? A little sign? lol

oldexbeat 4 years, 10 months ago

what is it in our water or air that we end up, in the 21st century, writing about 'no armed resistance at schools' as a rational sentence.? We are truly dangerous and crazy and shouldn't be allowed into other countries. Sorry.

elliottaw 4 years, 10 months ago

What have we come to as a society that we feel we need armed guards everywhere. Have we as a country lost so much of our back bones that we can no longer deal with people so we feel the need to carry around a gun to protect ourselves from all that is around us. Can people no longer talk to one another and work issues out, identify people in need around them, or care enough to look out for each other. This paranoid mindset is a new thing, yes people have always had guns but they are so common place now and lives are taken with no remorse.

verity 4 years, 10 months ago

Having a gun seems to make some people feel powerful and invulnerable. Any number of people also seem to have a fascination with guns and ammunition bordering on the obsessive. This is the trait that I find most worrisome about the "gun enthusiasts," along with the assertion that "I would have blown the person away if I were in that situation." One sometimes gets the feeling that some are just hoping for a chance to do that. I certainly hope I am wrong.

fiddleback 4 years, 10 months ago

Inane, Dolph?

A pretty milquetoast and smug word to be using -- you're sure you don't mean insane?

This bill suggests that this crop is practically dumb enough to vote for secession.

And yet you're acting remotely surprised, like you don't march with the GOP and tow their idiotic party line in nearly every other editorial?

Please spare us your obligatory expressions of embarrassment and tepid disapproval as they dive off the deep end, like you never saw this coming.

Dolph, when inmates overrun the asylum, you don't smirk and call their destruction "preciously inane."

These recent bills are alarmingly ignorant and seditious travesties.

You should hand the reigns to someone with the guts to actually call this out and make real use of this forum. For God's sake, let someone on your staff speak some truth to power, as this is a very real and sickening devolution we're facing.

Paul R Getto 4 years, 10 months ago

You should hand the reigns to someone with the guts to actually call this out and make real use of this forum. For God's sake, let someone on your staff speak some truth to power, as this is a very real and sickening devolution we're facing.

I agree. Interesting typo......REIGN. Perhaps someday he will turn over the reins. Devolution is appropriate as well.

fiddleback 4 years, 10 months ago

Whoops -- yeah, must have happened because both Brownback and Dolph make me think of absolute rulers more than a strap to control a horse...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 10 months ago

FWIW, this particular editorial was clearly not written by Dolph.

fiddleback 4 years, 10 months ago

Can you tell for sure ? And even so, all the more reason to shame the contributing writers for their flacid understatements...

Lawrence, Kansas in the year 2013 deserves to have writers with fire in the belly; this cynical filler passing for an "editorial" is part of the reason the G.O.P. doesn't attract enough attention to get itself overthrown.

Paul R Getto 4 years, 10 months ago

FB. Not really but it is his personal playground Daddy gave him. If he lets them publish editorials he doesn't agree with, he is not doing his job as the boss.

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