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Kansas legislature

Kansas Legislature

State government buildings to allow concealed carry of guns

June 28, 2013

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— Gov. Sam Brownback's administration announced Friday that people licensed to carry a concealed gun can bring those weapons into state office buildings that are not exempted by a new law that takes effect Monday.

"The Kansas Legislature clearly indicated the belief that properly licensed individuals should be allowed to exercise their right to carry concealed firearms in most public buildings," said Kansas Interim Secretary of Administration Mark McGivern.

Under the law approved during the recent legislative session, concealed carry is permitted in public buildings unless the buildings have guards and security machines to screen for weapons.

The state could have exempted its buildings for six months but chose not to, McGivern said.

The law defines a state or municipal building as “a building owned or leased by such public entity.” The Department of Administration said the definition of a building leased by the state includes free standing buildings in which the state is the sole tenant.

Chuck Knapp, a spokesman for the Administration Department, said that means that the Kansas Department for Children and Families office in Lawrence, will allow concealed carry for those who have a license to carry.

The Administration agency is seeking clarification from the Attorney General on how the law affects leased premises within a building where the state is not the sole tenant. For those buildings, administration has exercised a six-month exemption.

State correctional facilities, courtrooms and law enforcement agencies are generally exempt from the new law. Certain state health care facilities and post-secondary educational facilities may notify the Attorney General of six month and four-year exemptions to the law. The Kansas Board of Regents has taken the six-month waiver on behalf of the universities, including Kansas University.

The Kansas Department for Aging and Disability Services and the Kansas Commission on Veterans’ Affairs have exercised six month extensions for their health care facilities throughout the state.

Comments

uncleandyt 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Is this another law dictated to our Representatives by ALEC??

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Trumbull 9 months, 3 weeks ago

I saw some dude in the grocery store with a gun on his hip. Couldn't tell if he was a security guard or a police, or maybe just somebody carrying a gun. Who knows.

The lines are getting grey.

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Charlie Bannister 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Guns--when seconds count and the police are only minutes away. NRA keeps stats on all states, what crimes are committed, what their CCW permit system is like, etc. EVERY single state where there has been a CCW law instituted the crime rate has fallen in fairly significant fashion. Mental cases will go to where they know there are no guns allowed and no one will shoot back, i.e. Sandy Hook. That is exactly why ALL schools should have armed security or police. Armed teachers would be nice too. The numbers do not lie folks. We are safer with the guns than without them.

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Armored_One 9 months, 3 weeks ago

One question, if I may...

Here is the scenario, to frame he question:

Law abiding CC carries into Building A. Whackjob does the same thing, only they do something very bad with that gun. CC draws weapon, fires, but in the heat of the moment, also hits an innocent.

Is the innocent entitled to sue the CC holder?

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50YearResident 9 months, 3 weeks ago

The State House isn't worried about Concealed Carry holders going into the Capitol Building. What are the City Commissioners doing that makes them worry about the same group of people. Is local government doing things that will infuriate the public? Makes you wonder, doesn't it.

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jafs 9 months, 3 weeks ago

What happens when an upset parent brings their gun into the KDCF building, and shoots somebody?

Custody issues, and issues of neglect, etc. stir up lots of strong emotions.

I think my main problem with the arguments from "pro gun" folks is the artificial distinction between "law abiding citizens" and "criminals" - everybody who hasn't committed a crime and been caught is in the first group, but there's no guarantee that they won't wind up in the second.

The level of maturity, responsibility, and competence varies in that first group - just look around at drivers in Lawrence. Unless you call all of the folks who don't drive right "criminals", there are lots of law abiding citizens who can't drive right. All of those folks can get cc permits, right?

Why should I believe that they'll be any better at following cc regulations than they are at driving?

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Thinking_Out_Loud 9 months, 3 weeks ago

What fascinates me about these comments is that we are discussing CCW and its relative merits. The real issue we should be discussing is the relative wisdom of allowing CC in state government buildings....

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redneck 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Knuckledragger. Please remind me as to how many CCL holders have shot someone because they were hot heads, macho tough guys , wannabe cowboys etc.: basically people who got angry and upset about something minor and stupid? How many have shot innocent bystanders or people who were not threating them or others with violent force? I know you are concerned about it, but it hasn't happened and the CCL's were first issued in Kansas in 2007. It has been almost 6 years with law abiding citizens carrying a gun, and what you fear has not happened. How many criminals have been set free because of prison overcrowding? Murderers have been set free after serving only 15 to 20 years. We need to put fear in the hearts of the criminals, because the law isn't doing it. We need to make the criminals wonder how many people in a mall, theater, school, etc. are carrying a gun. I hope to God that I never have to shoot somebody, but if it comes down to them or me dying, it will be them if I have anything to say about it.

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wils_25 9 months, 3 weeks ago

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KNUCKLEDRAGGER 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Please think about The IQ test and personality profile testing for each applicant. How many hot heads, macho tough guys , wannabe cowboys etc basically people who get angry and upset about something minor and stupid. Who are armed and ill equipped to handle a firearm in a stressful situation.

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redneck 9 months, 3 weeks ago

I'm all for law abiding citizens carrying a gun, and could care less what anybody else thinks. Those of us who possess a CCL are damn serious about carrying a gun, and don't carry one just to be cool or make a fashion statement. We have been trained when to fire and when to hold our fire, and we do not want to shoot innocent bystanders. We have also been made aware of the liability if we happen to shoot an innocent bystander, so we won't spray bullets everywhere when we are forced to draw our weapon. At least I can die trying to defend myself, rather than running like a scared rabbit, and praying to God that the nut job with the gun either runs out of ammo, or just doesn't find me. Guns are necessary when seconds count, and the police are minutes away.

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ksscribbler 9 months, 3 weeks ago

I gotta think that concealed carry training and testing is like the drivers license exam. Not an intelligence test.

But for those of us of a certain age, words from our childhood come to mind. Duck and cover.

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angelus 9 months, 3 weeks ago

http://www.kansas.com/2012/11/17/2572467/few-crimes-committed-by-concealed.html

Key take away:

.09% of CCL holders commit violent crimes .5% of the general population 21 years old and above commit violent crimes

That means a CCL holder is over 5 times less likely to commit a violent crime. You should be a lot more afraid of people without a CCL.

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skull 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Three articles in one day...the NRA "protect myself" crowd hasn't regurgitated enough bs to make it here yet.

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wils_25 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Sweet! Now I just need a place to park my horse. If anyone disagrees we can pace it off in front of the courthouse and let the bullets fly! It's back to the Wild West, yee haw!

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