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Immigration bill clears major hurdle; Roberts, Moran vote ‘no’

June 24, 2013


Immigration legislation cleared a key hurdle in the U.S. Senate today without the votes of Kansas' two senators.

Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran, both Republicans, voted against the so-called border surge amendment.

The amendment, which would double the size of the U.S. Border Patrol and complete 700 miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border, was supported, 67-27 with 15 Republicans voting for it.

The over-60 vote support on the procedural vote to end debate, clears the way for more votes later in the week with final Senate consideration possibly Friday.

The underlying measure sets up a pathway to citizenship for approximately 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally.

If the White House-backed bill gains Senate approval, it faces an uncertain future in the House.

Moran voted against the amendment and said he opposed the immigration bill because it attempts to do too much.

“Our immigration system is broken, and our borders are not secure," Moran said in a statement.

"Rather than focus on solving one or two issues at a time and delivering the reforms Americans are asking for, the Senate has chosen to lump every immigration and border security problem together into one massive and flawed bill," he said.

The Kansas Business Coalition, which is composed of 25 organizations, including the Kansas Chamber of Commerce, had urged the Kansas congressional delegation to support immigration reform.

"The Kansas Economy needs people to grow. The majority of population growth in Kansas is attributable to immigrants," said Brian Hemann, a dairyman from Hugoton, and a member of the coalition.


Brock Masters 4 years, 11 months ago

Thanks Senators - you did the right thing. It is a bad bill

Shelley Bock 4 years, 11 months ago

Why is it bad? Takes care of the border problem and provides a solution for citizenship for those that want to become citizens. Moran wants to have all issues broken down individually? Oh, that makes lots of sense for the "highly functional" Congress. Yea, right. The only way that Congress will get things done is if there is a global package handles all issues. Otherwise, nothing will get done. And the problems get punted down the road. That's not great.

jhawkinsf 4 years, 11 months ago

"Takes care of the border problem ... " We've been told that over and over again. Any reason to believe them this time?

BTW - Thirty billion for a 700 mile fence. Wanna do the math on that?

Jock Navels 4 years, 11 months ago

$8,116.88 a foot. Haliburton probably already has the contract.

TongiJayhawk 4 years, 11 months ago

"Why is it bad?" We already have a law in place to build the 700 miles of fence ( that has never been finished!! 7 years later and we have 42 miles of fencing done. What makes anyone think they are going to do anything they say?!?! Why can't they follow the steps towards citizenship spelled out, but it's all contingent on the security part being done first. It several years before they qualify for citizenship anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Shelley Bock 4 years, 11 months ago

So, what is the solution? Would you be happy with $60 billion? Would you station 4-5 divisions from the US Army along the border? Have a mine field a mile deep along the border? Would really like to hear what your suggestion would be.

oldexbeat 4 years, 11 months ago

That would protect the Mexican people from us at least.

Shelley Bock 4 years, 11 months ago

angelus, I suggested the "mine field" while visualizing the Berlin Wall. I hadn't realized that someone who posted on here would be thinking like Rep. Peck of the Kansas House.

jamoca 4 years, 11 months ago

Existing laws are not being enforced. What would make you think that will change anything in the border, and yet on top of that you'll be giving illegals a path to citizenship?

I would be much more open about it if the borders were closed and fully secured. That is not the goal of this bill. For some republicans, it means cheap labor. For most liberals, it means adding millions to their voting ranks.

jhawkinsf 4 years, 11 months ago

What is the solution, you ask? I don't know. It's entirely possible that no solution exists that simultaneously honors American values, at least as I view them. That leaves out things like a mine field. That said, the solution, whatever that is, should be put before the American people with as much honesty as possible. That would preclude your comment above, that this bill solves the border problem.

In_God_we_trust 4 years, 11 months ago

I agree Fred, it is a bad bill. Thanks to Senator Roberts and Moran for voting in Kansas' best interest.

George_Braziller 4 years, 11 months ago

I think Brownback as a Senator comes in first as the worst and he didn't improve as Governor.

Michael LoBurgio 4 years, 11 months ago

how can you not list brownback among the worst?

Brad Hall 4 years, 11 months ago

Why would they be the worst? Just because they don't agree with you that allowing criminals who have already shown a disregard for the laws of this country to become citizens is a good idea? Because they don't want to break the Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid systems by adding 12 million people to those systems that haven't paid into them? Maybe the problem isn't the senators, but you?

oldexbeat 4 years, 11 months ago

The weak minded Jerry Moran was clearly told what to do by his owners the Koch Brothers LLC Ltm GOP, and senile Pat Roberts will always vote for bigoted positions.

They used to have brains but now just purchased straw remains. In a state where myth replaces science and half the workers in parts of Kansas can't vote, this type of government fits well. Orwell was,only early by 30 years reminder. Roberts allowed the lies and falsehoods that got us Iraq war number two. In a rational world, he would be in jail.

Liberty275 4 years, 11 months ago

That makes little sense. Libertarians are generally immigration friendly.

Also, there was only one Iraq war with a cease fire.

chootspa 4 years, 11 months ago

They were before they decided to get in bed with social conservatives, anyway.

verity 4 years, 11 months ago

If you are trying to say that the Koch brothers are Libertarians, they may say that, but I think their actions say differently. They and the organizations they back support more government restrictions---the ones that they want and that help them. Big government is fine as long as they can run it.

verity 4 years, 11 months ago

oldexbeat: "The weak minded Jerry Moran was clearly told what to do by his owners the Koch Brothers LLC Ltm GOP . . ."

L275: "That makes little sense. Libertarians are generally immigration friendly."

I didn't bring them up, they was already brung up.

Liberty275 4 years, 11 months ago

If they want more restriction on government, I don't see a problem with that.

Meatwad 4 years, 11 months ago

Despite our elected (not by me) officials, who pretty much unfortunately always do what I expect them to do... I am curious as to why the issues are all in one bill instead of separated.

Garth Atchison 4 years, 11 months ago

They have to lump them into one bill, because the do-nothing congress won't hold votes or pass legislation like they are supposed to. One giant bill can be forced with help from the media, so they have to load it up while they can.

tolawdjk 4 years, 11 months ago

It has to be one massive bill because each side doesn't trust the other to vote for the stuff they want. out of it.

Centerville 4 years, 11 months ago

Build a welfare state. Flatten the economy that funds it. Open the borders. What could possibly go wrong?

In_God_we_trust 4 years, 11 months ago

A path to citizenship and really secure the border (not like Hoven and Corker with lots of money and obamacare accounting), but return all those 8 million or more that entered in mass illegally, back to where they came from. It's really a foreign policy problem with Mexico, not an immigration problem within the US. Then let them apply legally, returning in small measured amounts. We don't need to allow illegals who entered the country by braking the law, to become legal citizens or legal status who would vote mostly to change the political landscape of this country, and tip the scales in a way that opposes our constitution and is against our country's freedoms and best interests.

bevy 4 years, 11 months ago

And what would you do with their children, most if not all of whom are American citizens? Keep them here and deport their parents? Deport American citizens whose only "crime" is being born here to illegal parents? What of those young people who have been born and raised here, or were brought here as very small children? Do you deport them as well? I guess we no longer have compassionate conservatism.

Oh, and how about some penalties for the big businesses, construction firms, and farms that knowingly hire these folks and pay them under the table, in order to avoid their legal obligations for medicare, social security, and unemployment insurance? I know - we deport them too. Then all the causes of the problem will be gone.

Jock Navels 4 years, 11 months ago

Allow the corporate controlled right wing nuts to remain in control long enough to lower the standard of living in Kansas until there's no good reason to live here. Immigration problem solved.

Hoots 4 years, 11 months ago

If you think your democrat friends in congress are any better then you had better check who contributes to their reelection. The big companies cover their bases by throwing money at everyone. It's simple. Congress equates to a den of greedy jerks who could care less about any of us. You people who are huge cheerleaders for this party or that are living in the past. You are just a bunch of nostalgic fools. .

Dick Sengpiehl 4 years, 11 months ago

Moran and Roberts continue to be poor Senators. Moran used to be mainstream but no more. Kansas a very regressive state now.

Catalano 4 years, 11 months ago

I guess the Koch brothers trump the Kansas Chamber of Commerce with the senators.

bevy 4 years, 11 months ago

You're right, FastEddy, neither side has come up with any plan for punishing the people who provide the DEMAND for these workers. Here's a novel idea - rather than spending billions building a fence - how about enforcing the laws we have, and strongly penalizing employers who hire illegals? If they can't make a living here, they will stay in Mexico.

avarom 4 years, 11 months ago

"The underlying measure sets up a pathway to citizenship for approximately 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally. " Keeps the work wage cheap, in-house, and no benefits....there goes all the good

pti3 4 years, 11 months ago "US immigration deal envisages use of military surveillance at southern border" Tuesday 25 June 2013 12.07 EDT Ed Pilkington in New York

"But civil liberties groups and experts on biometric data fear that the focus on the border could have unintended consequences by spawning centralised databases storing details not just on undocumented individuals but on almost all US citizens. "

"Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU's Washington legislative office, said: "This is so expansive. We are really talking about a militarisation of the border on a scale that we have never seen before.""

"Margaret Hu, a specialist in biometric digital surveillance at Duke university, said that the bill's ambition to create a fool-proof social security card posed dangers for the general public. "If it is used to create a universal and digitalised biometric database through the collection of digital photos, fingerprint or iris scans, this could be used as a cyber-surveillance tool that could significantly impact the lives of all Americans.""

"Margaret Hu believes that such a verification device could only work if the government were to create a digitalised biometric database. "It would need a universal photo database of all citizens and non-citizens present in the US. That would be historically unprecedented, and the cyber-surveillance consequences could be enormous."" Article links: Fact Sheet on U.S. "Constitution Free Zone"

Robert Greenwood 4 years, 11 months ago

The Hoeven-Corker amendment would require all 6 of the following conditions must be met before Legal Permanent Resident (LPR) status, or “green card status,” could be applied for:

  1. The Department of Homeland Security has submitted a comprehensive southern border security strategy that includes minimum technologies specified by Congress for each sector along the border, and the plan has been deployed and is operational.
  2. The Border Patrol has deployed 20,000 border patrol agents on the southern border, in addition to the 18,500 agents already stationed there.
  3. A total of 700 miles of fencing is in place along the border.
  4. Specific air assets have been deployed for use in patrolling the U.S.-Mexico border, including: 17 UH-1N helicopters, eight AS-350 light enforcement helicopters, 15 Blackhawk helicopters, eight C-206H (Cessnas), and four unmanned aircraft systems.
  5. The mandatory employment verification (E-verify) system has been fully implemented for all employers.
  6. The mandated electronic entry-exit system has been implemented at all international air and sea ports of entry within the United States where U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers are currently deployed.

skull 4 years, 11 months ago

Well that all sounds pretty all we have to do is lower taxes enough to pay for it.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 11 months ago

Some repubs would rather keep 11 million immigrants in the USA instead of finding ways to employ the 11 million or more taxpaying citizens that the Bush/Cheney home loan scam put out of work.

IF republicans want to keep allowing more immigrants into the country then they best create work for all of those Americans they put out of work. We're not talking about minimum wage jobs.

Between the two big time home loan scandals and tax cuts for the wealthy the nation simply cannot the afford those pretending to be republicans.

BTW republicans blew billions trying to build walls on the border plus paying BOEING to create a virtual fence. The virtual fence never worked not to mention such a feature had never been applied to a wide ope border situation. Can we say fraud? Guess what? Wealthy border landowners are not going to want any type of fence on their property so GW Bush got told.

It is good that the Border Patrol is being expanded. Absolutely. Lots of Americans need jobs and want to work.

oldexbeat 4 years, 11 months ago

I'm still trying to figure out if Ray Merrick, Kansas Speaker of the House, is an illegal alien or not. Any one have a clue as to when he became an US Citizen ? I mean his mother brought him into the US no doubt illegally from Canada. Is the Canadian border so open that no one is stopped from sneaking into North Dakota ? Really want to hear from him on this issue. He demanded President Obama's papers, as I recall. I want to see his...

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