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Kobach proposes rule change on proof-of-citizenship requirement to register to vote

July 12, 2013

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— Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach is proposing a change to the law he pushed through the Legislature that requires proof of citizenship to register to vote.

The Kansas proof-of-citizenship law requires people who register to vote in the state for the first time to provide a birth certificate, passport or other document.

But since it went into effect Jan. 1, more than 11,000 people who have attempted to register to vote are in "suspense," meaning they are not yet qualified to vote because of lack of proof of citizenship.

County election officials have said that when people show proof of U.S. citizenship to get a driver's license at the Division of Motor Vehicles, the citizenship documentation is not making it to election officials for voter registration purposes.

Critics of Kobach have said this shows that Kansas wasn't ready for a proof of citizenship requirement.

But Kobach has said the problem can be addressed with his proposed regulation, which will allow people whose registration is in suspense to be able to cast a provisional ballot. But that ballot would not be counted unless the necessary proof-of-citizenship documents are provided to election officials prior to the canvassing of the vote after the election.

The State Rules and Regulation Board will consider the rule change at a meeting Tuesday.

Comments

Standing_on_my_own_2_feet 9 months ago

Kobach is such a hater. Why not let everyone vote? Open all of the borders and whoever comes in on voting day, bus them to the polls and have them vote! Canadians, Chinese, Australians, Egyptians, Palestinians, Afgans, Germans, Saudis, everybody. Why not? Oh yeah, they're NOT legal citizens!!! You people that complain about voter ID laws are truly an embarrassment.

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usesomesense 9 months, 1 week ago

I write 'SEE ID' on the backs of my credit cards (which is usually ignored by the cashier anyway). My hope is that if someone else gets my card they can't use it. If I choose not to vote I don't want someone else to be able to use my vote and if I do choose to vote I want to know someone else can't take it from me by getting to the polls first and saying they're me. The stuff they're requiring is required for employment - if your employer hasn't asked for copies of that stuff they're putting themselves at risk - which in turn puts your job at risk too. This means that it really shouldn't be a hardship unless you're retired (and have been for a while to have lost track of that info), completely disabled or have been subjected to an unexpected hardship - a fire or theft or just plain lost your ID. A provisional ballot is perfectly reasonable in these situations.

That being said there was no imminent disaster that required immediate full enforcement of this policy - they should have done a trial run the first year or two. If someone showed up without what they needed they'd be told next election they'll have to bring it and if they didn't it'd be provisional pending proper documentation.

This law should be to protect your vote - and you should want your vote protected. I don't really believe voter fraud has been rampant, but we'd never really know if it was without something like this in place. Ultimately voting needs to be more convenient for a truer representation. More convenience requires greater security to prevent abuse/fraud.

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Trumbull 9 months, 1 week ago

News about this voter ID stuff just keeps coming back like pesky fly. It just won't go away. There never was a problem in the 1st place. Not even sure if there was one documented case. What a waste of time and effort.

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roadwarrior 9 months, 1 week ago

it is unacceptable for this information failure to continue for even one more day. Have the IRS do it if the agency tasked to do it is so inferior, IRS has NO trouble getting and responding to my information consistently. Do not make a rule change, we don't adjust to our employees incompetence our employees need to prove they deserve the damned job or be fired. Make it work Chris, immediately and with no excuses.

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LJD230 9 months, 1 week ago

Interesting article about Mr.Kobach in the nation's paper of record. Of interest, the Secretary of State enjoys mountain biking. In Kansas, not!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/us/politics/kansas-official-holds-line-against-moderation-in-debate-on-immigration.html?hp

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Randall Uhrich 9 months, 1 week ago

Most of the time provisional ballots are thrown away and never counted. Check the record. Just another Republican move to disenfranchise eligible voters. BTW, how many verified cases of voter fraud ever recorded? Very, very few.

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blindrabbit 9 months, 1 week ago

Back in the USSR, you don't know how luck we are. Or should I say 1930-1040's Germany. Nothin like a little voter suppression, be it from the left commie style, the right nationalistic style or better yet our own Kansas C-Street style.

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Larry Moss 9 months, 1 week ago

I join the democrats. We should just let anybody vote, citizen, visitor or illegal.

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hillsandtrees 9 months, 1 week ago

And just think, Mr. Kobach fought hard to have this proof of citizenship requirement in place before last year's election.

A year later and the state is not even close to being able to handle the extra requirements.

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oldexbeat 9 months, 1 week ago

Maybe he'll run for governor ? Could work. Oh, wait, Liar Sam is running again, if you believe him. So maybe Texas ? Yup. Kobach would go live with Rick. Yup.

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verity 9 months, 1 week ago

It's very easy to email Mr Kobach---here again is the web address.

https://www.sos.ks.gov/contact.html

If you complain, but don't do anything about it, you are part of the problem. Not that I expect it to do much good, but he needs to know that he's not pulling the wool over everybody's eyes. And maybe if he gets enough feedback, he will realize that his future ambitions are in danger.

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mikekt 9 months, 1 week ago

Why shouldn't a valid state drivers license presented,..... be enough, since drivers licenses have all been forgery proofed, .......anyway. The current drivers licenses can be swiped if they want to, to see your records or validate you, so what is the problem ..........other than that the DMV has been disabled by the actions of the 3M people that the "Brownies" have outsourced the improvement of their DMV Computer Systems to........remember, these are the guys who always tell you, that government is the problem .......& that private industry is your salvation here on Kansas earth.

Beware of false profits who come to you in corporate clothing, pushing religious agendas, for inwardly they are looking after money for their own,........ and nobody else's concerns .

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Catalano 9 months, 1 week ago

WTF is the State Rules and Regulations Board? We seriously have something called that? I would think this would have to be a legislative decision.

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patkindle 9 months, 1 week ago

maybe just show a copy of last years fed income tax form report??

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Chicagojayhawk24 9 months, 1 week ago

This is the first good thing Kobach has done for Kansas!

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verity 9 months, 1 week ago

https://www.sos.ks.gov/contact.html

How about we all email him and tell him what we think.

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mikekt 9 months, 1 week ago

A law designed and passed by idiots to highlight their successes at the DMV with it's make over by them and 3M .

Sure,......government doesn't work...... when you elect idiots who want to prove that government is broken...... and doesn't work !

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yourworstnightmare 9 months, 1 week ago

Kobach, Brownback and the right wing liberal GOP in Kansas are attacking fundamental American rights dealing with voting, privacy (abortion), and transparent government.

I guess as long as they say the right things about god, guns, and gays, all other truly dangerous activities are ignored by GOP voters.

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Pheps 9 months, 1 week ago

"Division of Motor Vehicles, the citizenship documentation is not making it to election officials for voter registration purposes".

The inability of the government to preform this simple task scares me. What are they going to do with healthcare? Waiver it or postpone it?

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bobberboy 9 months, 1 week ago

this state is sooo pathetic !!!!!!!!

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dabbindan 9 months, 1 week ago

kris, since you had this process all worked out by being so helpful to all those other states, i had expected this voter thing would have been seamless.

perhaps you should have spent more time in kansas, working on kansas things.

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ShePrecedes 9 months, 1 week ago

Oh yeah, this is the same extreme-sided guy who wanted to force his own GOP into "Purity Tests". These days I am seriously wondering if Germany really did lose the war. Maybe they just lost the battle and WON the war.

Besides, this boy is so willing to bald-faced LIE.

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Machiavelli_mania 9 months, 1 week ago

Oh yeah, this is the same extreme-sided guy who wanted to force his own GOP into "Purity Tests". These days I am seriously wondering if Germany really did lose the war. Maybe they just lost the battle and WON the war.

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Currahee 9 months, 1 week ago

The SSA keeps track of who is a citizen. Why can't they take a peek at what their SSA files indicate? It'd be fast, easy, and be virtually costless.

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Larry Sturm 9 months, 1 week ago

This is our voter fraud people can't vote.

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Lefty54 9 months, 1 week ago

The last thing Republicans want is people voting. They want to return to the old days- only rich, white, male land owners were allowed to vote.

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speedy47 9 months, 1 week ago

Is it just ineptitude or maybe something else??? The documentation getting lost between DMV and voter registration?????? That's 11,000 votes that KS Tea Party probably don't want cast.

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Kevin Kohls 9 months, 1 week ago

Here's my question: almost all the items that are accepted for proof are things one must pay to get. But voting is freedomright. So basically they are charging people to be able to vote! How is that fair or even constitutional????

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kochmoney 9 months, 1 week ago

So people get a sham vote that doesn't count because the very government being accused of voter suppression is not processing their registrations? Brilliant. Just brilliant.

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Joshua Montgomery 9 months, 1 week ago

Just what our elections need. Another rule that promotes lawsuits and confusion after ballots are cast.

In close elections this will lead to candidates scrambling legal armadas to identify provisional voters who are likely to have voted the "correct" way and harass them into providing paperwork.

Legal challenges will abound.

Kobach's efforts to disenfranchise young, poor and uneducated voters is shameful. I can't believe that the public isn't up in arms about it.

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lucky_guy 9 months, 1 week ago

Stupid is a stupid does: Forrest Gump

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question4u 9 months, 1 week ago

This is is just the new normal for Kansas government: bluster a lot, push through drastic changes without adequate study of the potential consequences, then when the ineptitude is made obvious by subsequent events, just shrug things off and claim that everything will be made better by putting a bandage over the gaping wound.

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