Archive for Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Gov. Brownback says he believes a resolution can be reached between KU Med and abortion opponents

January 22, 2013


— Gov. Sam Brownback on Tuesday said he believed resolution can be reached between Kansas University Medical Center and abortion opponents over training in terminating pregnancies.

"I hope it can all get worked out," Brownback said shortly after speaking to a crowd of at least 1,000 people at an anti-abortion rally on the 40th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision.

"I think it can be worked out," he said. Brownback, a staunch opponent of abortion, declined to elaborate.

Last year, abortion opponents pushed for legislation that would have prohibited doctors in training at the KU Medical Center from abortion training as part of the obstetrics and gynecology program. But KU officials said that could have jeopardized the program's accreditation.

The Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education said it doesn't comment for or against pending legislation on abortion, but in a statement the group presented its policy on accreditation.

"No program or resident with a religious or moral objection shall be required to provide training in or to perform induced abortions. Otherwise, access to experience with induced abortion must be part of residency education," the group stated.

No abortions are performed at the KU Hospital, but KU officials last year said that the school has a contract with the University of Colorado's medical school to provide abortion-related training.

The measure from last year was approved in the House but then Senate President Steve Morris sent the bill to a committee for further study with only days left in the session. Morris had said he was concerned about the bill's effect on KU Med Center's accreditation. The bill stayed in committee.

But abortion opponents have promised to ask legislators to enact the proposal.

Since last year, Morris was defeated and conservatives are now in firm control of the Senate.


hujiko 5 years, 5 months ago

"I hope it can all get worked out"

It did. 40 years ago.

kujayhawk7476 5 years, 5 months ago

Agreed; it was worked out 40 years ago. And nothing needs to be dealt with. The training is done not by KU Med but by a third party and no procedures are done in the facility.

Go away right-wing wackos....DO NOT mess with the accreditation of my alma mater's medical training school & facility!

Glenn Reed 5 years, 5 months ago

'"I think it can be worked out," he said. Brownback, a staunch opponent of abortion, declined to elaborate.'

Brownback never elaborates. Never describes the "why" when making decisions. If he did, he'd come off as a disingenuous twit.

Glenn Reed 5 years, 5 months ago

He'd sound "more" disingenuous. Past the point where even the most fanatical of his supporters would be hard-pressed to find no fault with what's being said.

fiddleback 5 years, 5 months ago

Back in April, the regressive trailblazers in Arizona enacted such a training ban: The fact that their schools have kept their accreditations is probably all the encouragement our pseudo-theocratic regime will need to give this another shot...

But then I'm sure there's a way that KUMC could outsource or put the training under some affiliate umbrella that uses endowment money or other alternative funding.

Or maybe they should just contract with the experts at the Topeka Abortionplex...the Yelp! reviews are glowing, and I'm sure that with more exposure more KUMC students would love to go into the field...heckuva job, Brownie!,20476/

Hoots 5 years, 5 months ago

How about the voters reaching a deal with Sam and vote him out of office.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 5 months ago

Just another myth in the fight for the life, liberty and happiness of the unborn: "Abortion when the mother's life is in danger". If this is such an issue...then why are "No abortions are performed at the KU Hospital."??? You know why? Because mother's lives are never in danger because of their unborn child. That's why they don't perform them. It's never necessary. If my life is in danger...I either going to the police or a hospital. These 'moms' go to the strip mall clinic when their lives are in 'danger'.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 5 months ago

Because of one freak Ireland...everyone must spend millions on training? Dumb. Typically unreasonable lib logic.

chootspa 5 years, 5 months ago

And I quote, "... mother's lives are never in danger because of their unborn child." I provided you with a recent, high-profile example that contradicted your statement. You moved the goalposts and added an ad hominem rather than acknowledge your mistake. Very mature.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 5 months ago

Nice try. Mistake acknowledged. Immature is creating rabbit trails to avoid the real issue. Tell me then why KU doesn't perform abortions. It's because the only case they can find is in Ireland, a freak incident, and realize it would be irresponsible and stupid to spend millions to prepare for such cases.

chootspa 5 years, 5 months ago

Moved goalposts are still moved. KU provides abortion training through the University of Colorado, and it's part of their accreditation requirements, so clearly they do see the need for such training. I suspect they also see the political hazard of directly providing the training through KUMED. Kansas City, meanwhile, provides abortions. Just not at the teaching hospital.

Not only are ectopic pregnancies a fairly common complication doctors are likely to face, miscarriages and fetal death can also jeopardize a woman's health and life. Training on abortion isn't just about the elective end to an unwanted pregnancy. It's about saving a woman's life when she faces the unwanted end of a wanted pregnancy, and it's about the dignified choice of how to handle loss and grief when faced with a doomed pregnancy. Being an absolutist about it isn't going to save babies, but it will kill mothers.

sleepy33 5 years, 5 months ago

Are you familiar with a condition called ectopic pregnancy? Your apparent lack of knowledge regarding human reproduction leads me to believe that the answer is probably no.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 5 months ago

If you had a knowledge of ectopic pregnancy you would know that they are mainly due to drug use/abuse and a failure to simply get checkups. Again...they just don't exist enough to constitute training all to kill. That would be like banning weapons to all because of a few mentally ill. Oh that's right...libs work on that type of flawed logic on most issues.

chootspa 5 years, 5 months ago

Please cite your references. Up to an estimated 20 in every 1,000 pregnancies are ectopic. (Mayo Clinic)

They are not caused by drug abuse or failure to get a checkup. Although failure to get a checkup when you become pregnant might result in your death from ectopic pregnancy. That's ok, allowing 20 out of 1000 pregnancies to be potentially lethal is apparently rare enough that we don't need to train doctors for that scenario, right?

voevoda 5 years, 5 months ago

You are right, Pork_Ribs; it is outrageous that the KU Hospital is not permitted to perform abortions even when they are medically advisable. When women need to seek termination of a pregnancy, they ought to be able to avail themselves of good quality medical care. If you feel so strongly that women ought to have the same options that you do when your life "is in danger," why are you advocating that the government deny those rights?

Paul Wilson 5 years, 5 months ago

Medical professionals at KU have made these decisions on what they will do and not do. It is not that "they are not permitted." You have just lied. If KU felt there were substantial need...they would. They have the same right as Planned Parenthood or any other provider. They simply don't because there isn't a need.

kuguardgrl13 5 years, 5 months ago

"Because mother's lives are never in danger because of their unborn child."

Wrong. CDC data on maternal mortality rates related to pregnancy.

Women have been dying in or soon after childbirth for millennia. The "unborn" and newborns also still die without abortions. Open a Bible and you can read about issues with pregnancy going back to Genesis. Despite the fact that we live in the 21st century with all its medical advances, we still have not been able to prevent mothers and children from dying before, during, and even after childbirth. Now my family has been blessed by the advances in neonatal intensive care. My own brother could have died after he was born in the mid-80s. I myself could never have an abortion. I couldn't make that decision myself. My future husband may make it for me. I can't say what will happen in my future. But if we somehow have the ability to safely bring all mothers and children through pregnancy and birth, then the planet better be prepared for more poverty and illness in children and adults. Earth can't possibly handle the increased population in the developing world. So go back to your utopia where somehow no one dies until they are old and decrepit. I'm going to stay here in reality and take my chances when I decide to have a family.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 5 months ago

It's not about death to me. Nor has it anything to do with the Bible. To's a constitutional issue. I believe that life begins when the egg splits. At that point it is a human being living in it's own environment. I get terminating this blob within a few days. But late is a human being and we have a duty to protect it's constitutional rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Your youth is obvious. Just remember as you try to lecture people...knowledge and wisdom are not the same attributes. One does not come if you gain the other.

bad_dog 5 years, 5 months ago

"...knowledge and wisdom are not the same attributes. One does not come if you gain the other."

So a person with knowledge cannot be wise nor can a wise person be knowledgable.

Spoken like a subject matter expert.

voevoda 5 years, 5 months ago

The key phrase in your posting, Pork_Ribs, is "I believe." You are entitled to your belief, and you are welcome to act upon it by never terminating a pregnancy of your own, or performing an abortion on a patient. But it is not proper for you to impose your belief on your fellow citizens by enacting laws to limit their rights to act according to their own beliefs and to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

You certainly would object if someone required you to carry through with pregnancy that you did not want and considered to be dangerous to your health and well-being. Ask any woman who has been in this position, and see whether she'd like to have someone else dictate what she is permitted to do.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 5 months ago

...and to your CDC data, show me where any of these deaths wouldn't have occurred if the baby was killed in the womb. You can't. So you shouldn't try to use it in this argument. That would be deception. But..that would be typical of lib's and especially of self centered youth.

chootspa 5 years, 5 months ago

Man, those goalposts are never in the right place for you. You just gotta keep on moving them.

Centerville 5 years, 5 months ago

Want to see what the pro-aborts think of women? Go to YouTube's "Happy 40th Anniversary, Baby".

riverdrifter 5 years, 5 months ago

You, who had a hateful and bigoted comment removed on inauguration day, just need to go away, "Baby".

tomatogrower 5 years, 5 months ago

Some abortions have to happen, because the baby is already dead or dying in the womb. If a doctor isn't trained to do this, do we just let the woman die? Let's have ignorant doctors, which is ok with Brownback. He wants to end education anyway.

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