Railroad officials have arranged a special train ride this week to let state and local officials see and feel firsthand the problems of deteriorating track on the route of the Southwest Chief through Kansas.
An Amtrak engine will pull specially equipped BNSF Railway cars from Topeka to La Junta, Colo., with “theater seating,” allowing officials to view the track as the train passes over it, said Amtrak spokesman Marc Magliari.
Some 30 to 40 people will participate in at least part of Thursday’s trip, as the train stops in cities along the route to pick up local officials. After reaching La Junta about 4:45 p.m., the participants will board the Southwest Chief later that evening to return home.
Scheduled participants include vice presidents for Amtrak and BNSF Fe, the Kansas secretary and deputy secretary of transportation, KDOT’s bureau chief of transportation planning and its chief of governmental affairs.
Hutchinson City Manager John Deardoff and Hutchinson Mayor Dave Razo plan to participate. Officials from other stops along the route in Kansas, Colorado and New Mexico have also been invited. A federal lobbyist hired by a number of cities on the route will also be there, Deardoff said.
The passenger train has had to slow its speeds while passing through much of the western part of the state because of the track condition. The ends of the steel rails are starting to sag because of age, setting up a rocking motion in the train if it passes over too fast.
BNSF owns the track, but maintains the rail only to a level required for 30- to 40-mph freight traffic. Under its contract with BNSF, Amtrak is required to fund any maintenance or improvements for higher speeds and, starting in 2016, Amtrak will be required to begin paying the full cost of maintaining the route.
Amtrak and BNSF have suggested that the three states and the two railroads share the $100 million cost over the next decade to improve the tracks and also split $10 million a year in annual operating subsidies between the states, Amtrak and BNSF Railroad to maintain the route.
Transportation officials from the three states, in a written response last August to the proposal, indicated that state funding isn’t available.
Amtrak has warned, however, that without a commitment by the end of 2014 to help make the necessary repairs and maintain the route, it will reroute the Southwest Chief through Oklahoma and Texas — via Wichita.
“It’s part of our effort to educate state and local officials about the challenges we face,” Amtrak’s Magliari said.
The ride should give officials “a better understanding of what’s needed to keep service on the route” as dialogue between state and railroad officials continues, said Lindsey Douglas, KDOT chief of governmental affairs.
“I’m excited,” Douglas said. “It will give us a new level of detail we haven’t had as far as exactly what the improvements are and to get an explanation firsthand who will benefit.”
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clovis_sangrail 4 months, 2 weeks ago
From an earlier article in the Wichita Eagle, which I had to google and so will you, it looks as if the route through eastern Kansas will be largely unchanged, but that it would route through Wichita instead if Hutchinson, then would run south and west through Oklahoma and Texas. This makes more sense than the present route because there are probably more people wanting to ride the thing in Wichita than in all of western Kansas along that route.
If the folks in western Kansas want to keep the route there, they'll have to get with their representative, who we know has a lot on influence in the House.
As a side note, I took the train to St. Louis, and it absolutely rocks. I caught it at Union Station in KC and it dropped me off a $10 cab ride from my hotel downtown. No TSA, no keeping your seatbelt fastened, friendly staff, and a seat that was more comfortable and had more room than any airline seat I have ever seen. Plus, they serve almost real food and excellent coffee, and you can use your electronic devices the whole way. Four people, round trip -- Under $400. You can't fly for that.
I highly recommend it.
redcoalcarpet 4 months, 2 weeks ago
Clovis wrote: "If the folks in western Kansas want to keep the route there, they'll have to get with their representative, who we know has a lot on influence in the House."
LMAO! If the folks in western Kansas are smart they'll throw that rascal out in two years!
none2 4 months, 2 weeks ago
Your post doesn't make sense. They are asking the STATES of Kansas, Colorado, and New Mexico to pay for the maintenance -- not the federal government. So a joke about Huelskamp is misplaced.
There is no ban on Wichita residents riding Amtrak as it is. They simply have to drive to Newton which is about 28 miles away. There are buses that go to Newton from Wichita, so if they aren't currently riding Amtrak, they probably don't want to. It could be the price; it could be the fact that it goes through the area during the middle of the night; It could be that they simply don't want to ride the train. Furthermore, there is no promise that with a train reroute that the train would stop in Wichita. It is actually back tracking a bit to go from Newton to Wichita. The most direct route would be to go from an area just west of Emporia down to Augusta, KS and then Wellington, KS. Those are the preferred BNSF tracks. People in Wichita could then drive south to either of those towns. Wichita riders would save a whopping total of 8 to miles to drive to Augusta instead of Newton to catch Amtrak. BNSF refers to this route as part of the "Transcon" which I assume is short for transcontinental. They built this route up years ago to run a lot of freight as they know that maintaining the routes through the mountains is more expensive compared to going through relatively flat land. Rail with steep grades is NOT cheap to maintain, and once the coal mining was stopped around Raton around 2003, BNSF's freight needs went way down on that current line.
Here are the BNSF lines in the area if you want to see it for yourself: http://www.bnsf.com/customers/pdf/maps/div_ks.pdf
The BIG winner on any reroute is Amarillo. Wellington, KS and Clovis, NM would also gain from this reroute. Oklahoma might like it if they added a stop either in Avard or Waynoka as the southwest Chief currently does't go anywhere in Oklahoma.
The losers are western Kansas, southeastern Colorado, and northeastern New Mexico, and anybody who take the train hoping to see the scenic mountains in Colorado & New Mexico (especially the Raton Pass). There isn't much scenery on the proposed reroute. Albuquerque is spared as long as Amtrak adds a bus route from wherever on their route they want to stop to have a bus ride north to get to that city.
Finally, keep in mind that many of the towns that would loose Amtrak have more per capita riders of Amtrak than places such as Lawrence and Topeka that have a stop at their doorstop. The difference is those town don't have the transportation options that you do. Keep that in mind the next time you are on Amtrak and sipping your "excellent coffee". Most of them just want to be able to take the train to get somewhere.
clovis_sangrail 4 months, 2 weeks ago
Jokes about Huelskamp are never out of place.
Bill_Slu 4 months, 2 weeks ago
I agree with both of you. As soon as the nazi t.s.a. molesters started making me take off my shoes, I quit flying. No searches, no banning of liquids or pocket knives and you get to leave your shoes on. The cost is around $70 one way, and beats driving as well. I take the SW Chief train to Chicago once or twice a year now and it kicks flying in the a$$! You show up 5 min before the train gets there and off you go! After a 9 hour ride, the train stops at Union Station where you can walk a block to the Metra Station (local commuter trains) and go anywhere in the city for $5-$8.
FYI there is also an electrical outlet by every seat to charge/run your laptop or electroinc devices. You may also leave your seat and traytable in the unlocked and down position anytime you feel like it.
FYI2 No extra tax or fees! You pay the fare and that is it!
blindrabbit 4 months, 2 weeks ago
The re-route would be far less interesting! Not following the Santa Fe Trail through Dodge, LaJunta, Lamar, Trinidad, Raton Pass, Cimarron N.M. (Boy Scout Philmont Drop Off), Las Vegas N.M, to Lamy (Santa Fe) then to rejoin the proposed route at Albuquerque. I've driven along both routes the Oklahoma-Texas-Albuquerque change would be pretty dull. Also diminishes the "flavor" of the old Santa Fe Chief, Super Chief trains.
toe 4 months, 2 weeks ago
This a money train. As in give me money.
buckjennings 4 months, 2 weeks ago
And this is different from the highways and airports how?
gccs14r 4 months, 2 weeks ago
Abandoning the route from Hutchinson on sounds like the first step in abandoning Kansas entirely. It's probably not much of a stretch to reroute at St. Louis through Springfield, Joplin, and Tulsa to get to OKC and continue on from there, should Kansas continue to be hostile to passenger rail. Just one more step in the demise of Kansas from shortsighted thinking on the part of our government.
No education, no infrastructure, no healthcare, and no equal rights. That's not the kind of place that's going to attract anybody. No wonder Kansas is sinking.
clovis_sangrail 4 months, 2 weeks ago
They already have one that kind of does that. The Texas Eagle runs Chicago - St, Louis ' Little Rock - Dallas and Fort Worth - San Antonio, where it connects to the Sunset Limited, which ends up in LA, same as the Southwest Chief.
blindrabbit 4 months, 2 weeks ago
Kansas is slip-sliding away; any doubts why? Where does one start!
holcomb 4 months, 2 weeks ago
At one time the track from hutchinson to LaJunta was one of the fastest in the country,Some times I would "race" the Amtrak train along side on highway 50 and even at 80mph the train was still pulling away Amtrak
tomatogrower 4 months, 2 weeks ago
I love train travel. Flying is such a stressful hassle anymore.
jhawk43 4 months, 2 weeks ago
I was astonished at how comfortable and relaxing train travel is. I can't imagine how much better it would be of the government would get out of the way and let the free market take over the train industry dissolving Amtrak. 3200 for two people to go to Virginia is ridiculous.
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 months, 2 weeks ago
When it comes to transportation, there is no such thing as the free market. Amtrak is expensive mostly because it isn't as highly subsidized as other options.
gccs14r 4 months, 2 weeks ago
There wouldn't be any passenger train travel if private industry did it, any more than there would be widespread air travel or paved highways. The Transcontinental Railroad wouldn't have happened without free land, slave labor, and security provided by the U.S. Army.
clovis_sangrail 4 months, 2 weeks ago
You must have traveled first class in the nice bedroom. Coach for Lawrence to Richmond round trip is under $400 round trip for one person. You paid extra for a room, and you probably got your meals included.
catfishturkeyhunter 4 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm still trying to figure out why there isn't a route between Kansas City and Denver. Seems to me that would be better than going clear to New Mexico and then back up to Denver
JerryStubbs 4 months, 2 weeks ago
Yes there should be a route to Denver. There are no NORTH-SOUTH routes between the west coast and the Chicago-Texas route either.
AMTRAK was never completed, and so has never been up to its potential.
bigjaybabyjay 4 months, 2 weeks ago
agree!
none2 4 months, 2 weeks ago
Stating Amtrak "was never completed" or "never lived up to its potential" is to grossly ignore the history of passanger rail. Passanger rail used to be the preferred mode of transportation. People CHOSE other methods of transportation (cars and planes) as they became available. (Rail isn't the only mode of transportation that isn't as popular as it used to be. Intercity bus service also has scaled way back over the last few decades.)
Amtrak simply tried to preserve what was left by the time it came into being in the early 1970's. Many passanger routes were discontinued before Amtrak even took over. One of the most obvious ones around this area was a train that went through Chicago, Kansas City, Tulsa, and Oklahoma City.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b370/dart330/Amtrak/t-4.jpg
There have also been Amtrak routes discontinued over the years because they did not have the ridership they needed to justify those routes. For instance, one rather north/south route was the "Desert Wind" that connected cities like Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Los Angeles. Due to low ridership it was canceled in 1997.
As for Kansas City to Denver, there is a bus from Kansas City to Omaha to catch the Amtrak train there that goes to Denver. With the existing Southwest Chief, they could have had some kind of connection (probably a bus) from La Juanta Colorado to Pueblo, Colorado Springs, and Denver. However, even the public buses have cut back in that area.
clovis_sangrail 4 months, 2 weeks ago
I think I rode that Santa Fe KC-Tulsa train back in the 50s to go see grandma.
The St. Louis - KC - Denver route is the old MoPac Colorado Eagle. I rode that one, too, although not all the way to Denver. The current train from St Louis to KC runs the same route. The MoPac Eagles (Colorado Eagle, Texas Eagle, Missouri River Eagle, and others) were nice trains.
My father worked for the railroad, so we rode free.
jhawkinsf 4 months, 2 weeks ago
As much as I suspect that a trip from Kansas to either coast via rail would be a pleasant experience, I also suspect that the numbers of people actually doing that would be very low. If we're ever to encourage rail usage as a legitimate alternative for the masses, we should concentrate our efforts on short to middle distance routes using high speed rails. Routes such as Dallas to Houston, or Los Angeles to Las Vegas come to mind. Maybe Kansas City to St. Louis. Maybe Chicago to Indianapolis. But probably not Kansas City to Albuquerque by way of Denver. The numbers just won't be there to justify the huge costs.
none2 4 months, 2 weeks ago
One can think of a long haul passanger route as simply multiple shorter routes strung together. For instance, Southwest Chief the full distance is LA to Chicago, but 31 stops. Unfortunately, I'm not convinced that Amtrak truly appreciates that fact. They would say they were almost booked solid, yet you'd get on the train and find many vacant seats. Their system at least in the past would count a seat as occupied even if the passanger only used it for a small segment of the entire route.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of high speed rail because it complicates the ability to include the communities in between stops. Many times those are the communities that are lacking in transportation options more than the large cities that want to pass them by yet have rail lines running near their communities. I don't think Lawrence would be happy if there was high speed rail zooming right by to connect Kansas City to Denver, but not stopping in between. If someone wants non-stop, then maybe an airline is the way they want to go. Granted air travel is a lot more troublesome in order to protect us from terrorists. However, if rail really took off in this country, you know that the terrorists would also target Amtrak. Trains cannot be driven into a building, but terrorists would still target trains.
gccs14r 4 months, 2 weeks ago
You run high, medium, and low-speed trains, depending on the market being served. You're right that a high-speed trainfrom KC to Denver would bypass Lawrence. Lawrencians would hop a local or regional to KC, then transfer. As long as the schedules were decent, it'd still be about as fast as flying, without the hassles. Half-hour to KC, then two hours to Denver. You'd spend nearly an hour getting to the airport, half an hour through security, another 45 before pushback, about an hour to fly there, then wait for baggage and have to get to town from the airport.
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