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Concealed carry permit applications surge in weeks since Sandy Hook shooting

January 8, 2013

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More than 100 Kansans per day applied for concealed carry permits, and other Kansans flocked to gun stores in the weeks following the Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn.

According to data from the Kansas Attorney General's Office, 1,012 Kansans applied for concealed carry permits in the 10 business days between Dec. 14 and the end of the year. The 100-per-day average is roughly a 50 percent spike from the 64-per-day application average the office saw since July.

And a key firearm sales indicator — firearm background check data from the FBI — shows Kansans mirrored rising trends nationwide, as the number of background checks requested by gun dealers in Kansas reached an all-time high of more than 35,000 in December.

A federal background check doesn't always indicate a new gun is purchased, but the firearms industry uses these numbers as an indicator of how well the gun business is doing.

Tim Van Leiden, owner of the Ottawa firearm store The Gun Guys, said he has seen more customers recently who express concern over possible restrictions to gun laws in the wake of the Sandy Hook shootings.

Their concern "is probably amplified," Van Leiden said. "A lot of customers are concerned about what's going to happen with the gun laws."

The increase in gun sales isn't unique to the Sandy Hook shooting; it was also seen following the July shooting rampage at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo.

After the Colorado shootings, the FBI conducted 1.5 million background checks across the country in August, compared with 1.2 million checks in June. Yet the Connecticut shootings energized gun buyers more: Background checks surged in December to nearly 2.8 million, compared with 1.6 million in October.

The Associated Press contributed to this report

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The graph shows the number of Kansans who applied for a concealed carry permit since July. Data obtained from the Kansas Attorney General's Office.

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Concealed carry permit applications by year

Chart reflects the number of applications for concealed carry permits received by the Kansas Attorney General's Office in the last several fiscal years, which run from July 1 to June 30.

Comments

Antonym 1 year, 11 months ago

Guns are what made this country great and will keep this country great. Most people who speak out against guns have forgotten or never known that guns are the reason they can speak out.

KansasLiberal 1 year, 11 months ago

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Charo369 1 year, 11 months ago

Many things are listed about mass causality killer except one extremely important one; what doctor prescribed antidepressant or antipsychotic (both known as psychotropic class mind altering drugs) the killer was on. We know today, even the FDA acknowledges these drugs cause suicidality (FDA word) and other violent manic episodes, like murder suicide and mass killings. These drugs came out, began to be prescribed, the same time (mid-1980's) mother on child killing and a tripling of mass killings began in our country. It's time we all do the research into doctor prescribed psychotropic drugs that alter people's mind and are known to cause violence. Antidepressants, according to the FDA's own extremely serious black box warning are a good place to start. Next one can read any number of books on the matter: "Side Effect Death", by Dr. John Virapen - "Prozac Pancea or Pandora: Our Serotonin Nightmare", by Dr. Ann Blake Tracy - "Medication Madness", by Dr. Peter R. Breggin. There are also many documentaries on psychotropic drugs as well: "The Untold Story of Psychotropic Drugging", "Generation Rx", and there are thousands of more resources. The point is there is no valid science for these mind altering drugs and we are acting as if they are tried and true, even safe. When a loved one commits suicide we figure it was the depression, not the drug. When a person goes on a mass killing spree, which virtually every mass killer since the mid-1980's has been on these drugs (or coming off them which can be even worse due to seriousness of withdrawals) we wonder how people can go so wrong. However the truth is right in front of our noses if we will only look at the mountains of evidence from FDA testimonials, from Committee on Veterans' Affairs testimonials, and testimonials all over the media, albeit on the back pages, but the information is there to be had if one would make an effort to look. Please take the time to educate yourself and others. If you happen to be on these drugs do not suddenly stop taking them. The side effects of sudden withdrawal are very serious and you should be under medical supervised down dosing to safely come off these drugs. Thank you for reading my post. May you find the truth of the matter by looking at all sides. Also, breaking news, http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22323293/aurora-theater-shooting-cops-took-pill-bottles-from

Charles L Bloss Jr 1 year, 11 months ago

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. This is the first I have heard about it.

DillonBarnes 1 year, 11 months ago

No surprise here. Most people, regardless of the outward social stance on the issue, want to be able to defend themselves and their family. You might not even think people should be allowed to concealed carry, but you trust yourself more than others and admit that a firearm is the most effective way to stop someone else with a gun.

I encourage anyone interested in shooting or carrying concealed to go take a class, other than the concealed carry class. Owning a firearm is a right, but it's also a responsibility. You don't want to be the guy who shoots his wife in a restaurant because you didn't treat a firearm properly.

mom_of_three 1 year, 11 months ago

Exactly. Its a responsibility and I think most people just want a responsible solution. Giffords op-ed piece in the USA today was great.

DillonBarnes 1 year, 11 months ago

It is a personal responsibility. That doesn't mean the government should punish those who act responsibly because of the actions of a few.

mom_of_three 1 year, 11 months ago

I dont think her op-ed piece said any such thing.

DillonBarnes 1 year, 11 months ago

Okay, I agree.

But, don't forget that driving is not a constitutionally protected right.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 11 months ago

Only being a part of a well-regulated militia is constitutionally guaranteed.

Crazy_Larry 1 year, 11 months ago

". . .the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

There it is, in plain English. It doesn't say the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, does it?

Jason Johnson 1 year, 11 months ago

I grew up in a hunting and butcher family. From a very young age we were taught to respect the gun. When you see what one little piece of ammunition can do to a 1200 pound steer, you see first hand what power it has. One wrong pull of the trigger and it's done. I wish everyone who owned a gun would take a class at the very minimum.

beatrice 1 year, 11 months ago

Yes, and perhaps gun safety classes should be mandatory.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 11 months ago

I carry my semiautomatic without a round chambered. Yes, it puts me at a disadvantage if I need to use the gun, but it is a risk I am willing to take for safety.

Charles L Bloss Jr 1 year, 11 months ago

I bet that guy got ripped by the wife. Hope the injury was not too great. Accidents with guns can happen to anyone, but accidents that cause injury to another are my concern. If you carry a firearm, you must be forever careful and vigilant. I have carried one for 45 years, and had only one accident. It was with a Colt .45. These pistols are normally carried cocked and locked, since the first shot is single action. I was lowering the hammer, my finger slipped off of it, and I blew a nice hole in my wall. I had a brick home at the time and the round did not penetrate the brick, so I hung a picture over the hole, and sold all of my Colts. I have since carried Smith & Wesson pistols which are double action for the first round. There have been accidents at the range, too. Anyone can have a firearms accident, so you must be careful all of the time. That was my only accident, it taught me a valuable lesson.

Michael Capra 1 year, 11 months ago

yes they now carry guns every where they go

Jeremiah Jefferson 1 year, 11 months ago

What ever happened to taking an old fashioned whippin with your two fists?

jhawkinsf 1 year, 11 months ago

In the days of my youth, a fight between two equal combatants was accepted. If the loser acquitted himself well, there was no shame attached. With guns, one combatant is dead and the other goes to jail for life. No winners, both lose.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 11 months ago

That is part of the problem; murderers are not being put away for life. The a-hole that killed the firefighters had previously murdered his grandmother and was let out to kill again.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 11 months ago

Right you are. How can we let a guy who beats his grandmother to death back into society?

Thinking_Out_Loud 1 year, 11 months ago

No shame attached? I don't believe you remember those days very well, then.

More importantly, anyone who lacks the impulse control to the point that a disagreement devolves into a fistfight should feel shame that they do not have better control over themselves.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 11 months ago

When a person purchases a gun, can anyone tell me who will be a responsible gun owner and who will be a mass murderer? Can anyone tell me who will be a law abiding gun owner and who will use that gun for criminal purposes?

If the answer is no, then must we all accept the consequences of this? Or may we implement reasonable restrictions on those who are responsible, so that we can protect our communities from those who are not?

Perhaps the very definition of being a responsible gun owner includes support of reasonable restrictions to prevent unreasonable restrictions.

DillonBarnes 1 year, 11 months ago

What are reasonable restrictions, what exactly does that term mean? People throw that term or the term "common sense solutions" but rarely offer specifics.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 11 months ago

You're correct, reasonable is difficult to define. So are reasonable restrictions on our freedom of speech and our freedom of religion. The courts are constantly taking up those issues, splitting hairs all the time. This is how it should be.

But if you're one who says no restrictions are reasonable, such that you defend a person's right to cry fire in a crowded theater, or if you say that if your religion demands animal sacrifice and you demand no restrictions, then you put yourself so far out the mainstream that the Constitution does not apply to you. So too with guns. If you're a person who says any restrictions are unreasonable (you can have my gun when you take it off my cold dead hand), then you're beyond the mainstream thought where the Constitution no longer speaks to you.

So what is reasonable? Pass a law and let the courts decide if it is reasonable. Then pass another. And another. Let the courts decide. But do pass laws. Because the alternative will be either the continued slaughter of our children as the learn to read, the slaughter of theater goers, Congresspeople, innocent bystanders OR the imposition of unreasonable restrictions.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 11 months ago

I would be open to additional restrictions if it could be reasonably demonstrated that the new restriction would reduce gun violence by criminals and doesn't over burden my right to own guns.

Go ahead and make a suggestion on a new law and more than likely I can show you where that law is already in place and yet that jurisdiction has high gun violence.

We need to address the root problems. Why are Americans committing these crimes.

I can support stricter laws on reporting people with mental illnesses and prohibiting them from owning guns.

optimist 1 year, 11 months ago

I find it frustrating when a fellow citizen attempts to justify restrictions on any of our rights because of some perceived notion of security. I realize that these rights aren’t necessarily important to every American but what happens when a right that you value is diminished in this way by your fellow citizens. What of the unintended consequences of this type of restriction. While it may seem like a reasonable concession it is a precedence that can and will be used to further restrict gun rights and possibly other rights (if the 2nd amendment can be restricted why not the 1st or 4th). As a citizen we should all understand our rights, where they came from and why and we should value them as sacred and exercise the responsibility that these rights require of us. We don't deny individuals the right of free speech because a few might yell fire in a crowded theater; we punish them for the results of their behavior. Shall we take alcohol or cars away from the masses to prevent drunk driving? You may recall we tried that and it essentially resulted in the formation of organized crime (unintended consequence?). If we are a truly free country we should limit restriction on individual liberty whenever possible. We are not the children of our government that should be denied anything because we or at least a few of us cannot be trusted. We are all somebody's neighbor and we should view laws as if it were our neighbor imposing these restrictions on us. When put in that context would you accept my knocking on your door and telling you what you can and can’t have? As a free individual I would not accept your doing that to me. Guns are not the problem here. The people committing the crimes are. The issue of mental health has been relatively ignored but in pretty much every case of mass murder or high profile murder that I could find in this country in the last quarter century. Some include the 1989 school yard rampage in Stockton, CA, Columbine, Springfield, OR, 1988 school shooting in Winnetka, IL, 1997 school shooting in Paducah, KY, 2005 mass shooting on Red Lake Reservation in MN, 1989 workplace shooting at Standard Gravure Corp in Louisville, KY, John Hinckley and Andrea Yates. Before we start giving up our rights we should take a hard look at the drugs that are being prescribed to these mentally ill people and why they cause these violent and suicidal tendancies.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 11 months ago

Reasonable restrictions have a very different meaning if we talk about a right you support or one you don't. People will suggest all kinds of fees and restrictions on the 2nd amendment but OMG requiring an ID to vote is so unreasonable.

beatrice 1 year, 11 months ago

And if someone supports the idea that gun manufacturers should be able to make and sell as many guns as possible and are financially supported by those manufacturers, then that person's or group's views are scewed toward a monetary reason to support the 2nd amendment. This is why rational people should not listen to the NRA.

Once again you have brought up the ID voting issue to somehow deflect from the gun issue. Oddly, you are all in favor on voting restrictions and think them "reasonable," but deny reasonable restrictions on guns (the fact that so many are killed indicates we have not yet achieved the needed reasonable restrictions to protect society from unnecessary gun violence).

Now, if you would, please show us the many cases of people voting fraudently by pretending to be someone they are not to support your views of voting restrictions. ...

waiting...

In the meantime, on the gun issue, we can start by looking at the dead children and adults in Newtown to see why guns are something to consider reasonably restricting. Waiting only for the NRA and its minions to bring us reasonable restrictions, however, and we will never have any.

Jason Johnson 1 year, 11 months ago

I'll agree with you if you can tell me who will be the people that get behind the wheel after drinking alcohol. Push for breathalyzer locks on every vehicle past and present, and I'll agree that we can limit magazines.

The people pushing for gun control laws say they want to save lives. Massively more lives would be saved if they would push for breathalyzer locks instead. But they don't want to save lives, they want to seize guns.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 11 months ago

Jhourus - exactly. It is the same thing I just posted below.

Jason Johnson 1 year, 11 months ago

I will eventually be getting one because the cops can't be everywhere, and I want to be able to defend myself and my family and friends if something bad happens. Besides, a properly concealed weapon won't be noticeable. If I need to go into the Sheriff's Office (or other areas with metal detectors), I'll just keep it in my car until I get back.

My solution to less gun violence:

End the war on Drugs. Give better health care (especially mental health)

Katara 1 year, 11 months ago

So what happens if someone breaks into your car?

I don't have too much issue with concealed carry but I want your gun to be secured when it is not on your person.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 11 months ago

There are gun boxes for securing it in a car. It is a good idea to secure it when you have to leave it in the car.

Katara 1 year, 11 months ago

That really doesn't help your argument.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 1 year, 11 months ago

A thousand years is a thousand years. Things will change with change in the interim changing changes all along the way. When has anything been different in this world? What's your point?

Jeremiah Jefferson 1 year, 11 months ago

in a thousand years none of this is going to matter because we will all be dead including those that come after us

BubbaSteel 1 year, 11 months ago

jhawkinsf, The problem with that question about can anybody tell who will be responsible and who wouldn't would be blasted if it were applied to automobiles, or alcohol, and yeah, I'm sick of all the comparisons too but we all know people who will drink and not be responsible yet there is no agency to prevent that. You have to wait until after they do something before you can get a response from police or other concerned parties. Not so much with firearms. If a person passes the back ground check then they pass. I'm not saying it's the best check in the world, but every American is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty right? If they are flagged and can't make the purchase, cool, there maybe a good reason but you'll never see that much effort put into keeping dummies with beer from causing problems, or people who don't respect the rules of the road off the street.

I respect people who don't like gun who respect those who do, but some of their solutions just are not realistic. I think anybody who knows guns would absolutely love to help come up with realistic appliable ways to stop the violence, but restricting certain types, magazine capacity, who can legally get them and not has never worked. So far the only thing I've seen that has is vigillance and taking responsiblity for ourselves. If that were applied to road rage and drinking half as much as it is with gun ownership we'd have less casualties on all front.

I'm no lover of the NRA, but I am a responsible citizen who carries. I respect what the NRA does as long as it's being honest..and sometimes it's not, just like other people with their agendas, but honestly I know that neither care a dadgum about protecting me personally, so thats why I choose to do it myself. You can also never tell when a cop or government is gonna become law breakers themselves, so once again you can't rely on anyone's answer to your question, you can only rely on yourself.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 11 months ago

The question of what is reasonable is difficult to answer, but one test is to ask if you are willing to accept a similar restriction on a right or privilege you hold dear.

I can suggest some life saving measures that are far less onerous than the gun control measures being suggested that most people would wail if imposed.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 1 year, 11 months ago

The most frightened minds are the most frightening.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 1 year, 11 months ago

"And don't get me started on inertia!" Good one.

beatrice 1 year, 11 months ago

Laws of physics and man-made devices to kill that are used to kill is a poor comparison.

Better start wearing a helmet everywhere you go if you want to be safe given how gravity is more likely to kill you than your need to protect yourself with a firearm.

Oh, but wearing a helmet everywhere would make you seem weird and paranoid. Carrying the gun doesn't. Um ... got it.

Uncle_Jerry 1 year, 11 months ago

I think the reasonable question to ask is.....If that teacher in Newtown had access to a firearm to protect herself and those poor children do you think she would have reached for it?

Would you do the same?

I try to put myself in her position and the only answer to my question is yes....yes I think she and anyone would. Every single time. Since the prior gun ban proved to be unsuccessful in preventing massacres and we know the criminals don't abide by the law, the threat and possibility will always be there.

I'm not saying to arm the teachers but merely pointing out that if you would reach for a gun in the Newtown situation (no matter how improbable it may seem) why would you deny that form of protection from anyone else?

Jason Johnson 1 year, 11 months ago

I agree whole-heartedly with this as well. :)

Thinking_Out_Loud 1 year, 11 months ago

Instead of gun owners and federal tax payers, what about property owners?

Crazy_Larry 1 year, 11 months ago

The headline warms the cockles of your heart, doesn't it? <hugs for everyone!>

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 11 months ago

I feel much safer knowing there'll be even more guys like this out there protecting all of us.

Crazy_Larry 1 year, 11 months ago

You shouldn't feel safe around that guy. . .He's an idiot! Did you even read the article? One idiot among 50,000-plus licensees ain't bad. That said, I'm all for tightening the requirements for concealed carry licensing. I couldn't believe it when I went to renew and found there was no refresher course requirement in Kansas. . .wtf?

Mike Ford 1 year, 11 months ago

the crazies are scared of the boogey man their minds and fox news and the nra created.

Crazy_Larry 1 year, 11 months ago

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. LOL!

beatrice 1 year, 11 months ago

You can't be nearly as tired as your arguments.

Jason Johnson 1 year, 11 months ago

He should be brought up on charges of Treason. As should anyone else in this country wanting total gun bans, as it goes against the 2nd Amendment, one of our Bill of Rights. Recall the Bill of Rights are our 10 rights guaranteed by our Founders.

gphawk89 1 year, 11 months ago

So a .223 rifle should only be carried by soldiers? What about all of the weapons out there that use a more powerful (more "devastating") round than the .223? A .223 isn't really powerful enough to be a good hunting rifle if you're going for anything larger than small game.

Jason Johnson 1 year, 11 months ago

Errrrr, no. Any size bullet has but one purpose.

A .223 is an excellent round for smaller game and is cheaper than 22 mag or 22-250.

There are also "hunting" rifles chambered in .223 that aren't M-16 or AR-15.

Fred Mertz 1 year, 11 months ago

The ignorance of the anti- gun crowd never ceases to amaze me. Not only as jshorus says the .223 is used for hunting it was introduced for hunting before the military adopted it. Plus not all AR 15 rifles are chambered for the .223 round.

One of the most popular hunting rounds, the .30-06 was developed by the military and is far more powerful than the .223. So what good does it do to ban the .223 when there are so many other calipers out there? Right, because the .223 is just the start and won't end until all guns and ammo are banned.

ruraljayhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

When the governor keeps cutting back on the availability of help for those that are Needing it the worst, it puts first responders directly in the line of fire when they are called upon to remedy (911) the situation. Most of the time they will be the first on scene. Whether a sexually abusive father or a physically abusive husband/boyfriend, it makes for a tricky situation, treating the victim. Rest assured that in today's world there are lots of discussions about those first responders and conceal/carry permits. And before you lob that first 'rock', Realize that law enforcement in the state of Kansas is not readily available in a timely fashion in most areas...

Peaty Romano 1 year, 11 months ago

This is worth a look even if you don't have a CCH:

http://ag.ks.gov/docs/documents/concealed-carry-faqs.pdf

clears up a lot of misinformation I see floating around.

optimist 1 year, 11 months ago

In case of emergency dial 911, the police are just minutes away even when seconds count.

Armored_One 1 year, 11 months ago

Since the vast majority seem to be in agreement that mental health needs to be the issue, not 30+round magazines, as an example, when do the forced mental health evaluations for gun ownership begin?

Anybody know what the criteria for ownership will be?

Follow up examinations?

Anything other than deflection?

crickets chirping

Yeah, I didn't think anyone would be willing to step up to the plate and volunteer to be the first to get a forced mental health evaluation.

Crazy_Larry 1 year, 11 months ago

"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."

"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

This is my rifle, this is my gun. . .

This is my rifle, this is my gun. . . by Crazy_Larry

Thomas Bryce 1 year, 11 months ago

Not sure if any one else has noticed, but, ammunition prices just doubled almost over night due to the increased demand, according to the salesman. Hysteria is an ugly thing.Profiting from that hysteria is even uglier.

Hoots 1 year, 11 months ago

Obama is the worlds best firearms and ammo salesman ever. Just try to get your hands on a 30 round magazine right now, certain guns, and many types of ammo.

oldexbeat 1 year, 11 months ago

re man shooting wife with concealed carry gun. If I'm hurt by some idiot with a loaded concealed gun in a restaurant, I'm going for attempted murder charges against the idiot. In fact, I'm going to make sure my legislatures work to make that a law. You choice to carry loaded concealed gun, you are meaning to shoot someone, thus you are planning it.

Yup.

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