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Roberts, Moran vote for bill avoiding fiscal cliff; Jenkins, Yoder, Pompeo, Huelskamp vote against it

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden make a statement regarding the passage of the fiscal cliff bill in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 1, 2013.

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden make a statement regarding the passage of the fiscal cliff bill in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 1, 2013.

January 1, 2013

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Kansas' all-Republican delegation split Tuesday on the bill that avoided sending the federal government over the so-called fiscal cliff.

U.S. Sens. Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran voted for the bill, and all four U.S. representatives voted against it. Those are Lynn Jenkins of Topeka, whose district includes Lawrence; Kevin Yoder of Overland Park, Mike Pompeo of Wichita and Tim Huelskamp of Fowler.

The 257-167 vote in the House came with 172 Democrats and 85 Republicans voting for the measure. Earlier, the Senate approved the bill 89-8.

President Barack Obama said he would sign the legislation into law. "This law is just one step in the broader effort to strengthen our economy and broaden opportunity for everybody," Obama said.

The measure prevents tax increases on most American taxpayers while raising taxes on people with incomes over $400,000 and $450,000 for couples.

Yoder said he couldn't vote for the bill because it "raises taxes without cutting spending and solving the debt crisis that will plague our nation."

But Moran said he voted for the measure because without it, all taxpayers would have seen an increase. "This bill protects 99 percent of all Americans," Moran said.

He said now Congress can focus entirely on cutting spending.

Roberts gave similar reasons for his "yes" vote. "While this deal is not the comprehensive solution I was seeking to America's debt crisis, delay or inaction on taxes would have only harmed our economy, damaged retirement savings, and penalized Kansans of all ages," Roberts said.

But Pompeo tweeted "Can't vote for this Fiscal Cliff deal as is. Too much spending, not enough cuts. And the wind tax credit is revived. No way. Needs amending."

Huelskamp voted against it, saying, "This is just another deal by Washington insiders — with no real solutions."

Jenkins had no immediate comment on her vote, but one day earlier issued a statement, saying, "Our autopilot spending is eating our country's fiscal health alive. If there is anything everyone should agree on, it is the best New Year’s resolution for Congress is to finally address our spending problem, and start by passing a responsible budget."

Comments

Bob Forer 2 years, 4 months ago

Roberts gave similar reasons for his "yes" vote. "While this deal is not the comprehensive solution I was seeking to America's debt crisis, delay or inaction on taxes would have only harmed our economy, damaged retirement savings, and penalized Kansans of all ages," Roberts said..

So in other words, Roberts is suggesting that the "no" votes of Lynn Jenkins, Kevin Yoder, Mike Pompeo, and Tim Huelskamp would have harmed our economy.

For once, I agree with him.

DKCounty 2 years, 4 months ago

Your comments are well taken. Huelskamp and Pompeo are obvious parts of the radical, far-right that are doing little to move the country forward. Their only concerns are which one will be better viewed as the preferred replacement for Pat Roberts when he retires. That's called job security with a big "R" in front...

tinrooftempo 2 years, 4 months ago

The representatives you reference almost certainly already knew which way the vote was going before they cast their votes. The "no" votes were very likely intended to be statements on the broader policy - the need to address the debt rather than continuing to kick the fiscal "can" down the road - rather than the irresponsible decisions you characterize them as. Regarding the broader policy question, I think a lot of people agree the debt is a problem. It now exceeds the size of our economy, judged by gross domestic product, and each U.S. citizen (yes, children and other non-working folks included) owes more than the average U.S. salary. A bit of an elephant in the room problem that keeps getting downplayed by the old hide-the-ball game; just when the average citizen is concerned about the problem, people of a certain political persuasion just point to the people that will be harmed by spending cuts and the political will to cut into the debt (or reduce the deficit) dissipates. Posts like this don't help either

labmonkey 2 years, 4 months ago

I am disappointed in our Senators and proud of our House members... no compromise without spending cuts should have been made.

After the last 24 hours, I am now rooting for Rand Paul in 2016.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 2 years, 4 months ago

I take it that you're a research subject in the Kool-Aids mind-fracking research initiative.

labmonkey 2 years, 4 months ago

I am a Kool-Aide drinker because I want to see us actually tackle the problem of rampant spending? All this tax talk from the left is nothing more than a red-herring to incite class warfare so they take the conversation away from cutting spending. If you have watched Rand Paul speeches, he advocates cutting defense spending saying that both sides need to slay their sacred cows (he sad this at the RNC... pretty ballsy). I am sick and tired of the Baby Boomer generation spending their great-grandchildren's money. And sequestering is not a spending cut... just a cut in the rate of increase in spending.

No... the tax-and-spend crowd are the kool-aide drinkers.

tomatogrower 2 years, 4 months ago

Then you agree that these stupid wars should have never been started and that we should not start another one. And that we should cut our spending on countries overseas, including Israel? Or are you one of these people heavily invested in the military industry? Are you one of those Republicans who thinks it's ok to spend a lot of money on other countries, but screw our citizens.

NotImpressed 2 years, 4 months ago

They don't really want to tackle spending, otherwise they would have lopped off 20% of the DoD budget yesterday.

Mike1949 2 years, 4 months ago

And people wonder why Kansas is so screwed up? Just look at the comments from fellow Kansans. Though I demand that they have a right to speak (seems to be a one way street though), some comments explains a lot of why Kansas is becoming one of the most backwards states in this country!

tomatogrower 2 years, 4 months ago

Cuts in education and mental health, so rich people can have more money. Is that backwards enough for you?

NotImpressed 2 years, 4 months ago

It is backwards! Mike speaks the truth.

KS 2 years, 4 months ago

labmonkey - I could not have said it better. We need two new Senators from Kansas. Glad to see our Representatives vote "no". If someone doesn't step up to the plate on this, it will never be done. Go Rand.

NotImpressed 2 years, 4 months ago

Something tells me that you would not have been very happy about the consequences, KS, if it had been defeated as you wished.

DKCounty 2 years, 4 months ago

Our House members have no concept of representative government void of partisan politics with a personal agendas. Kudos to Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran for voting to move the country forward...

Brock Masters 2 years, 4 months ago

Our growing debt and deficit is not sustainable. I doubt we will see real spending cuts that will significantly reduce our debt or deficit. Hence we will continue upon this destructive path until we have failure.

Alyosha 2 years, 4 months ago

Wrong. Economic growth — increasing aggregate demand — will help reduce the deficit. Also, the cost of borrowing is nearly zero.

So while this isn't the best case scenario, the doom and gloomers saying we have a spending problem alone don't see the whole picture. Austerity, as proven by EU experience, does nothing but make things worse.

jafs 2 years, 4 months ago

But, part of the problem is spending.

Spending right now is about 25% of GDP, while revenues are about 14%. That indicates that we need both higher revenues and lower spending to balance the budget intelligently.

Economic growth may help reduce the deficit, but it may not, as long as the mismatch between revenue and spending exists.

Charlie Dominguez 2 years, 4 months ago

The US senators showed courage in stepping across the Norquist choke-hold. Didn't expect much from our House members and they didn't prove us wrong. The Democrats need a strong candidate to outspend the Koch brothers and defeat both Yoder and Jenkins. I am willing to pitch in if they can find that candidate.

She isn't tough to beat, just tough to beat the Koch brothers.

question4u 2 years, 4 months ago

Jenkins, Yoder, Pompeo, Huelskamp voted to take us over a fiscal cliff and send us into another recession.

Too many Kansans seem to have a slim grasp of reality. There were real, immediate, and severe consequences that these representatives voted to inflict on all of us. It's truly incredible that anyone could find that praiseworthy.

For most people jumping off a cliff is foolish, and pulling others over with you is deranged. Fortunately, the representatives from Kansas are clearly impotent, and that seems unlikely to change. Kansas simply doesn't matter much to the rest of the country. The further it moves away from America, the less likely it is to have any affect on it.

chootspa 2 years, 4 months ago

The "both sides do it" meme usually works better when both sides are equally willing to destroy the economy. Nearly everyone in the Senate voted for this thing. The only people who voted against it were extremists.

Alyosha 2 years, 4 months ago

Your premise is incorrect. The democrats did compromise.

DKCounty 2 years, 4 months ago

The percentages of compromise were obviously much greater in the Democrat ranks than that of the Republicans. Radicals will always exist in any political faction. The people with (R) in front of their names just seem to gravitate there in significantly larger numbers. What is wrong with that picture?

NotImpressed 2 years, 4 months ago

Because the democrats do not control the power of the purse...for now. Civics 101, NavyVet

chootspa 2 years, 4 months ago

King Grover blessed this particular vote, since technically the taxes had already expired and therefore weren't being "raised." The fact that they voted agains the bill anyway means that they either do not understand how the economy works or they intentionally wanted to scuttle it. Or they knew there were enough votes and were voting no for the benefit of their ignorant voting base. At any rate, it wasn't the idiotic pledge.

LegendaryBeast 2 years, 4 months ago

Jenkins, Yoder, Pompeo, and Huelskamp are pathetic! They are willing to sacrifice every Kansan's livelihood and send us into recession just to spite the opposing party. Lawmakers need to STOP thinking of themselves as Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal and START thinking of themselves as Americans! We're all on the same team here. Stop working for a political party and start working for a nation!

kujayhawk7476 2 years, 4 months ago

Jenkins, Yoder, Pompeo, Huelskamp voted "no" because they knew the bill was going to pass even with their objections. By voting "no", they were doing nothing more than political posturing for their next re-election run. They voted for more money for themselves, more power for themselves, not some concern for our country.

We don't have a tax problem in this country, we have a serious spending problem and it will not get better under BHO. He won and will rub Congress' nose it it for more spending.

It is time for serious discussions of term limits, one term, by the people of this country, not by politicians. None of the 537 elected federal officials will ever vote to end their power and money grabs! So sad!

grammaddy 2 years, 4 months ago

Those worried about the next election voted with Obama. Those just elected and not worried,not so much.

Ceee 2 years, 4 months ago

So many Republicans are afraid of a primary from the right. I'd like to see Lynn Jenkins challenged from the moderate center, from a Bob Dole type politician who can work with the other side. Any suggestions as to whom that person could be? I am sick of the radical right and long for sanity.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

Sandy Praeger. Although I'd actually like to see her drafted to run against Brownback in the next gubernatorial election.

chootspa 2 years, 4 months ago

Unfortunately, it's mostly the extremists that show up for primaries.

voevoda 2 years, 4 months ago

That's why Sandy Praeger should become a Democrat and run for governor or Congress, as she prefers, from the party of sanity.

chootspa 2 years, 4 months ago

Or an independent. I'd love to see the day when we vote for independents instead of parties.

Bob_Keeshan 2 years, 4 months ago

Do we still have to pretend Kevin Yoder is a moderate?

He's in lock step with Tim Huelskamp. That tells you all you need to know about Kevin Yoder.

Mike Ford 2 years, 4 months ago

I will be calling jenkins this morning and yoder is a chameleon...

chootspa 2 years, 4 months ago

It's a free market paradise! If you don't like this private venue, go save your wealth to start some other venue. It's the libertarian way.

Alyosha 2 years, 4 months ago

Your definition of censorship is a little off.

You have zero right to post on these stories. The ability to post is a gift given to you by a private company. They can decide what kind of rhetoric they find acceptable and what kind they wish not to allow to be published.

If you don't like it, create your own web site.

Alyosha 2 years, 4 months ago

No, the failure is from Republicans who don't know how to govern. You can't get everything you want in a pluralistic society, so you get the best you can. You also need to know when your demands are out of the mainstream, and when your ideology is blinding you to making the best incremental progress you can.

The majority of the American people put Obama back in office based on his campaigning for revenue increases, tax code changes and spending cuts. Those are the principles he led with, and he got the best deal he could given radical right wing intransigence.

NotImpressed 2 years, 4 months ago

Step back a second and think about what you just said. Of the 3, Medicare and Medicaid are related to medical spending, currently the largest single item of the people's budget, The President passed PPACA in an effort to address that, but the GOP raked him over the coals for it with no reasonable alternative. Why? Because the double-digit increases in health care spending over the past 30 years have been lining their donor's pockets and we can't stop that now can we?

As far as the world investing in America, I'm guessing you haven't taken a peek at the stock markets (US and global) lately. Even at a very low yield, there's a big demand. So, there goes your theory

Kontum1972 2 years, 4 months ago

this is the result of having 3 wars and not jump on a total WAR footing....you bleed the coffers and the military industrial complex prospers declare war and wipe the bad guys out....not this weekend warrior crap...and thx Bush the younger you idiot for giving away that SURPLUS we had that Bill Clinton built up for us.....we have never recovered from that mess..that stinking rebate kill us...Bush senior had more brains than the younger.

Armstrong 2 years, 4 months ago

So it's STILL Bush's fault..You guys are laughable

Alyosha 2 years, 4 months ago

You assert that the 2 wars did not raise the deficit significantly?

Armstrong 2 years, 4 months ago

Not as fast as Dobama has. And we have what to show for it ?

ksjayhawk74 2 years, 4 months ago

I'm sure he also believes that GWB's massive tax cuts for the rich and capital gains tax cuts, did create jobs and fix our economy just like he promised.

Armstrong 2 years, 4 months ago

I'm sure he believes Dobama is the answer to the problem, just like he promised

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 4 months ago

Robert's and Moran's comments suggest that a "no" vote would have hurt the economy.

Yoder, Jenkins, Pompeo, and Huelskamp voted to hurt the economy, according to Roberts and Moran.

The internecine wars continue.

Popcorn, anyone?

John Hamm 2 years, 4 months ago

Roberts and Moran - time for replacements!

ksjayhawk74 2 years, 4 months ago

You want them to be replaced by someone who would have voted to go over the cliff and raise your taxes?

If you want to pay more taxes, just send the IRS a check. I'm sure President Obama would be very grateful.

tomatogrower 2 years, 4 months ago

The 2% who are going to pay more taxes are not hurting. They will still be able to feed their kids anything they want, then hire a personal trainer for each kid. They will still be able to have a nanny for each kid, so they only have to deal with the kids when they feel like it. They will still have the money to send them to private boarding schools, so they only have to hobnob with their own kind, and not end up married to a poor person. They will still have plenty of money to send their kids to college to party. Maybe they won't be able to buy that 5th vacation home, but they will just have to swallow their disappointment.

They did quite well during this recession, unlike many. When Bush took us to 2 wars, they invested in the war machine, then they didn't even have help pay for the war. "Oh my, my taxable income was 5 million, after my accountant hid some money and took the deductions out for my show horse, huge "company" SUV, and other fun credits and deductions. Now I am going to have to pay $150,000 more in taxes. Boohoo. My daughter will have to have a $100,000 wedding instead of the $200,000 wedding." Poor rich people.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 4 months ago

Looks like Obama's class warfare worked on you. Why don't you do something to better yourself instead of whining about the rich guy on these forums? The only thing wrong with acquiring wealth is whined about by those who are not doing it.

voevoda 2 years, 4 months ago

You are making a faulty assumption, Cant_have_it. I'm pretty sure that tomatogrower enjoys a comfortable income and as many luxuries as s/he wants. Maybe even more than you, Cant_have_it. What's the difference? It's not between rich and poor. It's between greedy people and non-greedy people.

NotImpressed 2 years, 4 months ago

I agree with tomatogrower and though I don't know you, I'm probably doing much better off financially than you are.

tomatogrower 2 years, 4 months ago

I am doing quite well financially, Chibw. But I don't do it off the backs of underpaid employees. When my business prospers, so do my workers. I don't need the glitz.

Armstrong 2 years, 4 months ago

In 2 months Dobama is going to ask to raise the debit ceiling AGAIN by another 2 trillion. I was shocked the R's were dumb enough to compromise and give into Dobama and his lackies. When will the R's wake up and realize they are dealing with a bunch used used car salesmen who have no business running our country?

buffalo63 2 years, 4 months ago

Please explain to me where the jobs are that these "job creaters" supposely created over the past 10 years since their taxes have been low and their profits have been growing? During these same ten years wages have stalled or gone down on the very people that can actually grow jobs by buying the goods and services that companies provide.

Armstrong 2 years, 4 months ago

The STIMULUS remember the "shovel ready jobs" - good question where are they. Dobama is pulling the same smoke and mirror show in 2 months and people are still buying his BS. Are people really so thick skulled they think failed stimulus will work again.

voevoda 2 years, 4 months ago

The stimulus wouldn't have been necessary if the so-called "job creators" had used the extra money they got from all those Bush-era tax breaks to actually create jobs, in this country. But they didn't. Instead, they took the country off a fiscal cliff back in 2008, and then did their very best to keep President Obama from doing anything to fix it. Most people understand that, Armstrong. But there are "thick skulled" exceptions.

Armstrong 2 years, 4 months ago

As you choose to revise history remember pre 2008 meltdown employment was not an issue. Banks were the problem. After 4+ years why hasn't Dobama fixed it

voevoda 2 years, 4 months ago

For the history of the unemployment rate, see this website:

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate.

It shows that the only time the unemployment rate was low was during the Clinton presidency. Eight months after George W. Bush took office, the unemployment rate rose above 5%, and it has rose through most of his presidency. Even at its lowest, it was higher than during the Clinton years. Point proved.

I'm sure that Obama would have been able to accomplish a great deal more if the Republicans had made their primary goal to resolve the financial crisis and actually create more jobs, rather than a futile attempt to make Obama a one-term president.

voevoda 2 years, 4 months ago

And another curious thing that the graph at this website shows: Unemployment rates rose consistently when Republican presidents took office. Unemployment rates declined consistently when Democratic presidents took office.

So the evidence indicates that Obama is in fact in the process of fixing the problem, despite the efforts of Republicans to impede him.

jay_cheese 2 years, 4 months ago

Funny the right is pretty much down to discussing their opinions with themselves these days. Sensationalizing mindless whoppers repeatively kind of has that lasting effect....

DKCounty 2 years, 4 months ago

Jerry Moran's vote is one I expected, and his comments prove his intent and his continuing service to a bipartisan agreement to best serve interests of the people of Kansas.

Pat Roberts, while voting in favor, tipped his hat with his comments. Roberts remains as a Bush loyalist who is posturing himself with a moderate vote to offset what will certainly be a rigid, partisan stance in future fiscal/budget negotiations.

Tim Huelskamp's vote came as no surprise. Huelskamp lacks a basic understanding of the concept of working together in a representative from of government. Huelskamp's radical, far-right, tea party type views do little to serve the United States and even less to serve the state of Kansas.

As for the rest, I don't vote in their districts, but they represent the typical "Red-State," "my way or the highway," radical conservatism that dominated Bush era politics.

LJD230 2 years, 4 months ago

Ignorance has consequences. How does no federal dollars for the NCI Center at KU, no federal bucks for the pending relocation of Plum Island to KSU, no federal dollars for research at KU or KSU, no federal dollars for Kansas infrastructure AND NO FEDERAL SUBSIDIES FOR AGRICULTURE sit in the craw of the folks who are angry spending was not included in the recent legislation. No more federal dollars for Kansas.

Patricia Davis 2 years, 4 months ago

I am so sick of the Brownbackistan epoch. Sadly, I think Kansas needs to have exactly happen to them as you have predicted. The Brownback economic false reality needs to hit home so all the non thinks can finally see that this emperor is butt naked. And yes, ignorance does have consequences.

notaubermime 2 years, 4 months ago

I am going to assume that you only say that because you have no idea of what the USDA actually does or how much work goes into making sure that we have a safe and stable food supply.

deec 2 years, 4 months ago

Here's the data on the deficit and federal spending for anyone who wants to see the actual numbers and how we got in this situation.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1980_2012USb_11s1li111tcn_F0fG0f#view

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

The Kansas "Ship of Fools" crewed by Huelskamp, Jenkins, Pompeo and Yoder will set sail soon on the Sea of Gallilee with Yoder giving swimming lessions and the entire crew drunk on Brownbacks religion, Koch-a-Kolas and in Grover Norquist's pocket.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 4 months ago

Kansas is a ward of the federal government. Without federal dollars flowing into the state in terms of agricultural subsidies, defense industry in Wichita, NBAF and other research dollars, etc., Kansas would dry up and blow away.

Without federal support, Kansas could not survive in free and open competition between states.

No quality business person or skilled worker wants to live in a backward state with terrible education, an unskilled workforce, and an anti-intellectual and religiously insane legislature and governor.

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 4 months ago

I commend our Representatives for standing by what they said in their campaigns that they would be true "fiscal" conservatives. This legislation raises will hurt the entire economy by reducing growth and increasing the deficit it will hurt the middle class because slower growth means fewer jobs created in the private sector. The Senators have some "splainin" to do to the folks back home who were counting on them to oppose these policies.

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