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Opponents, supporters of abortion bill square off

February 20, 2013


— Opponents of a wide-ranging abortion bill Wednesday said the measure would threaten the health of Kansas women and could trigger a ban of all abortions.

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But supporters of House Bill 2253 said it removes tax credits for anything abortion-related, protects health care providers who refuse involvement in abortions, and bolsters information provided women who are seeking an abortion.

Representing abortion advocates Trust Women, Lawrence attorney Bob Eye said the 70-page bill "effectively puts the Legislature in the examination room with the physician and the patient.

"The examination room is pretty crowded putting the Legislature in there and it doesn't do anything to help that situation," Eye said.

But Rep. Lance Kinzer, R-Olathe, said his bill is "advancing the goal of building a culture of life."

The legislation says: "The life of each human being begins at fertilization," and the unborn child has all the rights available to anyone else.

Michael Schuttloffel, executive director of the Kansas Catholic Conference, said the measure's definition of life was "legally, scientifically and morally sound."

But Elise Higgins, state co-coordinator of Kansas National Organization for Woman, said the bill's definition of life could make all abortions in Kansas illegal, if the U.S. Supreme Court rules that the legality of abortion should be decided by states.

Amanda Schulze, president of the Commission on the Status of Women at Kansas University, said such fetal personhood statement conflict with current law.

"To be able to define when life really begins is not a right afforded to the government of this nation. It is a deeply personal definition and should not be infringed upon by a secular government," Schulze said.

Chantalle Hanschu, a Kansas State University student who works at a domestic violence and sexual assault crisis center, said she was concerned the bill would make abortions more difficult to get.

Hanschu said sometimes in abusive relationships, pregnancy may result from rape or because the abuser has sabotaged his partner's birth control.

"It is important for victims of domestic violence and sexual assault to have the final say in when or whether they have children," she said.

Jeanne Gawdun, senior lobbyist for Kansans for Life, praised a portion of the bill that includes information about what Gawdun said was the "undeniable" link between abortion and breast cancer.

But Dr. Herbert Hodes, an obstetrican-gynecologist, said, "There is no abortion-breast cancer link, yet I am forced by this legislation to tell people this." Chris Masoner, a lobbyist for the American Cancer Society, also said there is no link between abortion and breast cancer.

Many of the provisions of the bill were adopted by the House last year but died in the Senate over a fight over training doctors.

That bill would have prevented state employees, including doctors in training at the Kansas University Medical Center, from performing abortions on state property or state time. KU Medical Center officials voiced concerns that the accreditation of its obstetrics and gynecology program would be in danger under that provision.

In the new bill, Kinzer said KU will use private dollars to pay the residents, rather than public funds.

"There is no dispute between the language of this bill and the activities of the medical center," Kinzer said. Officials from KU who attended the hearing nodded in agreement when he said that.


Keith 5 years, 4 months ago

Domine, Domine, Domine, you're all Catholics now.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 4 months ago

"But Rep. Lance Kinzer, R-Olathe, said his bill is "advancing the goal of building a culture of life.""

Has anybody noticed how politicians speak in "buzz words"? "Culture of life"? There is no "culture of life" when, in this country alone, on average, a woman a day dies in childbirth. This law won't do anything but up the ante. That's a culture of death.
Right now, at this very minute, in the US, a woman is 14 times more likely to die from pregnancy than an abortion. Will someone please tell me when living, breathing, thinking and feeling adult women will stop being sacrificed to what is, at best, a potential life?
How do these people sleep with themselves at night?

Liberty275 5 years, 4 months ago

Pro-choice is a buzzword. Both skate around the issue.

If you see a pro-choice sign, does it mean you advocate having both chocolate and vanilla - or something else. Does culture of life mean buttermilk or something else?

Both side need to stop the pablum and state their views in a direct way. In this case, pro-abortion and anti-abortion.

I agree with you about the "culture of life then go die" situation, but I have yet to see you say you are pro-abortion. You hide behind "pro-choice" just like Rep whoever hides behind "culture of life".

I understand your use of the less offensive term as it makes the stance more palatable, and that will probably win over more converts than "pro-abortion" but when you do it it seems as dishonest as when he does it.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 4 months ago

Sorry, I don't think either of the terms you want defined are correct. They aren't anti-abortion. If they were truly anti-abortion, they would advocate for those things that actually, you know, REDUCE abortion rates, like greater access to contraception and real sex education and not this abstinence only BS. What they are, are pro-forced birthers with a religious cult built up around fetus worship.
And I am not "pro-abortion" or "pro-choice". What I am is pro-woman. I believe that every woman on this planet should have free access to contraception and sex education and control of her own body free of governmental interference. I'm not anti-fetus. If a woman wants to devote her body to gestating for nine months, go for it. It's her body and I will support her in that endeavor because maternal health is just as important to me as reproductive health. (It's that whole "pro-woman" thing.)
I just don't think any woman should be forced into reproducing. That's slavery. And I'll fight it to my dying breath.

Lynn Grant 5 years, 4 months ago

But, but, but these are the people saying that women do not die because of pregnancy or childbirth! The culture of life!? One of the most pro-life men I know is a dead beat dad who caused serious harm to his son. And these hypocrites are legislating that doctors lie to their patients. Just the beginning. Less government my aunt fannie. Only government for the conservatives, not government for the people.

JayhawkFan1985 5 years, 4 months ago

This bill is nothing more than one more example of the GOP hypocrisy. Rather than focusing on the state budget crisis they created last uear when they stupidly slashed the state income tax, they are stirring up the uneducated religious fanatics with a bill they know will be illegal under US law.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 5 years, 4 months ago

This bill is nothing but a religious jihād. There is supposed to be a separation between church and state, to prevent a state of servitude to religious "ideals". Frankly, those supporting this bill are in the process of attempting to enslave and control. Giving power to religious ideals provides a certain path to the end of all of our democratic ideals. Obviously, many are fine with that. THAT is why there is supposed to be a separation between church and state! I despise the hypocrisy of our current junta (governmental mental cases with nut job tendencies).

Get thine nut jobbery out of our face, you officious prigs!

Katara 5 years, 4 months ago

"That bill would have prevented state employees, including doctors in training at the Kansas University Medical Center, from performing abortions on state property or state time."

Well, drat. No more going over the the DMV for abortions now. WTF?

hedshrinker 5 years, 4 months ago

this is why they vetoed the $10 million funding of KUMC....payback for educating future doctors to provide legal, safe abortion services, among the millions of other much-needed services doctors provide.

Paul R Getto 5 years, 4 months ago

More smaller, less intrusive government from a bunch of gas bags on their Jihad. Sheesh.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 4 months ago

Government small enough to fit in a woman's uterus.

Katara 5 years, 4 months ago

Apparently, Indiana Republicans are not satisfied with forcing women to have one medically unnecessary transvaginal ultrasound. The latest legislation is mandating 2 - one before and one after a medication abortion. I imagine we'll be seeing this brought forth in Kansas pretty soon too.

Bonus points for probably what is one of the stupidest statements on transvaginal ultrasounds.

""I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn’t be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous.” - Sue Swayze. legislative director of Indiana Right to Life.

Liberty275 5 years, 4 months ago

This will create jobs or attract business how, exactly?

Enough is enough. You got to play tea party long enough. Forget this stuff for now and get back to work actually benefiting the citizens of Kansas and not some superstitious belief system.

Paul R Getto 5 years, 4 months ago

But but but....without magic and superstition they got nothing. Data is dead and both parties make up numbers to suit their agenda.

Katara 5 years, 4 months ago

I should be able to claim the fertilized egg as a dependent on my taxes as well and if I travel to a state that has commuter lanes, I should be able to use that since there is more than 1 person in my car.

And for ID that requires a photo, I can use an ultrasound for the fetus' ID.

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