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Kansas Board of Regents indicates it will pursue in-depth study of new concealed carry law

August 13, 2013

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— The Kansas Board of Regents on Tuesday indicated it would pursue an in-depth study of the recent law that will allow concealed carry of handguns on the campuses of higher education institutions.

The board had opposed expansion of concealed carry, but during the last legislative session the Legislature approved the proposal by wide margins and Gov. Sam Brownback signed it into law.

The new law allows licensed concealed carry on public college campuses, but gave schools up to a four-year reprieve from the law.

The regents have taken an immediate six-month exemption for universities, and could later file for the longer exemption, which would extend through 2017.

The regents discussed the issue during their annual retreat here on Tuesday. Chairman Fred Logan said the regents need to study if there are areas on campuses where concealed carry shouldn't be allowed, such as at athletic events or in classrooms or certain laboratories.

"It's naive to believe that any time soon we are going to go to a generalized exemption," Logan said.

But Regent Ed McKechnie said he wasn't willing to let legislators feel the board is OK with the new law. "Just because the Legislature has done something wrong, I don't know that I want to go along with that," McKechnie said.

Other regents, however, said they believed an exhaustive study of how the law will affect overall security in the more than 850 higher education buildings would be helpful if the board decides to seek future exemptions in specific areas.

For instance, Regent Robba Moran said that while she supports gun rights, she didn't think it was wise to allow concealed carry at athletic events.

"At the sporting venue, you have tempers flaring and you have alcohol and that is different than a classroom," Moran said.

Comments

kansas45 8 months ago

mdlund0, you can point out all the facts but there are some who refuse, or can't, believe or understand them. They come back with outlandish remarks concerning bazookas and machine guns and not knowing the difference in them. They are the ones who trust the bad guys more than the good. By their statements believe that hordes of CCHs are going to overwhelm the areas that are currently off limits to legal CC and start shooting at everyone and everything who they perceive to be a threat. They believe that all CCH are born killers and want nothing else in the world than to be Dirty Harry. They cannot believe that there are those that have freedom of thought, morals and character handed down from their upbringing, but instead believe that those who do not believe as they do must be racist, bigots, sexists or be brainwashed by Limbaugh, Fox News, Beck and others. Free thought scares them to death as it is uncontrollable. Unfortunately, free thought is becoming a rare thing

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JudgeJoeBrown 8 months ago

I find your weather analogy interesting so I will continue it. What differentiates a tornado from a storm shelter? Intent? What happens when debris from your storm shelter kills me? Why can't we just get rid of tornadoes? Guns, unlike tornadoes, are manmade objects that don't have to be produced at all. Wouldn't that make the most sense?

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Bud Stagg 8 months ago

Judge, do you have a basement? Ever had a tornado tear your house down? Ever gone to the basement when a tornado is near? Why don't you just go stand in the front yard? Odds are nothing will happen. Same goes for crazy people with guns, they are the tornado and my gun is the storm shelter. I carry it just in case and you'll never know it's there, just like my storm shelter. In your case, if a shooter does pop up, hopefully someone is carrying a storm shelter to protect you.

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JudgeJoeBrown 8 months ago

So if nothing will really be changing, why did we need the new law? So we can have multiple shooters at the football game? Sounds like a great idea. Can't see how that could go wrong.

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mdlund0 8 months ago

I would like to point out that the law doesn't just allow anyone to walk into a building on campus with a firearm. It only allows law abiding citizens who have taken an 8 hour training course, submitted fingerprints, and undergone an extensive background check to do so. That is the only change (and you must be 21). 2.1% of the population in Kansas falls into that category, and, while I don't have data to back up this next claim, I would bet that fewer than 5% of those people who have gone through the process actually carry a firearm with any regularity (probably even less than that). This change in the law will affect an astoundingly small number of people. It is still illegal for someone under 21 to possess a handgun. Alcohol is not served at NCAA sporting events (although it may be present in reality). It is still illegal to carry a concealed firearm under the influence of alcohol, permit or not. It is still illegal to threaten/harm your professor because you got a bad grade. Quite simply, every nightmare scenario proposed that was illegal is still illegal. Regardless of this law, a disgruntled student could still get their hands on a firearm, drink bottle of tequila in the football stadium parking lot, get upset about KU's inevitable loss to Oklahoma, and do something horrible. Several laws will still have been broken - the same ones that would have been broken before with absolutely no changes resulting from application of the current legislation.

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JudgeJoeBrown 8 months, 1 week ago

Gun bans do not work because people like you insist on unfettered access to whatever and however many guns you want. Did these illegal guns come from illegal gun factories? No, they were either stolen, bought "legally" and then sold to a criminal, or bought at a gun show. The first could be solved by imposing punishments on people who don't secure their guns properly and are then stolen. The final two could be solved by not allowing private gun sales. Both of the solutions are vehemently opposed by gun rights groups. Why is that?

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JudgeJoeBrown 8 months, 1 week ago

I, personally, would take the gun rights groups more seriously if they would stop all this BS about needing protection from a tyrannical government or all the crazies with illegal guns and just admit that you just think guns are cool and enjoy shooting them.

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Bud Stagg 8 months, 1 week ago

The point is, we are not letting them do it now, but they are. I bet if you set up a random metal detectors on campus and ran everyone through them, you would get hundreds of guns that are there illegally. You just don't want to face that fact.

Allowing people to conceal carry only allows people that are more responsible and who have gotten their license to carry on campus. The bad/crazy people with guns will still be there too.

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Pheps 8 months, 1 week ago

Why do you need a firearm when you have a blue phone?

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laughingatallofu 8 months, 1 week ago

Gotta love this year's batch of Kansas legislators -- the dumbest, most ignorant, bunch of yahoos that a group of people could elect (save for Texas and North Carolina). Yes, Kansas, we deserve who we vote for.

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skull 8 months, 1 week ago

The funny part to me is that the students and campus employees don't seem to want concealed carry, only a loud and persistent faction of society that probably has spent very little, if any, time on a university campus.

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Maracas 8 months, 1 week ago

When college students get into trouble downtown or elsewhere, we say, "oh, they're just kids doing dumb stuff. Remember when you were a dumb kid"? And now we want to let these same "kids" carry guns around campus. Yeah, that's smart.

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question4u 8 months, 1 week ago

It's high time! The armed robberies in English Lit classes at Kansas universities have gotten way out of hand. The assaults in upper-division physics classes are excessive too, but the worst is Intro to Accounting. They say that you only have a 50% chance of survival once you set foot in the classroom door. It's amazing that anyone actually made it through four years of attending college in Kansas.

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yourworstnightmare 8 months, 1 week ago

This is a ridiculous comedy.

""At the sporting venue, you have tempers flaring and you have alcohol and that is different than a classroom," Moran said."

And this from someone arguing against the measure. Yes, weapons are fine in the classroom, just not in Allen Fieldhouse. Has she ever heard of students disgruntled over bad grades?

This whole episode is just a ridiculous travesty put on by the childish and petulant Kansas legislature. It flies in the face of all common sense, reason and moderation, and is only beholden to gun rights ideology at all costs.

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