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Petitions delivered urging Brownback to veto anti-abortion measures

April 9, 2013


Haley Miller, a senior at Kansas University and representing the KU Commission on the Status of Women, on Tuesday delivers a stack of signed petitions to Gov. Sam Brownback's office, urging the governor to veto anti-abortion bills.

Haley Miller, a senior at Kansas University and representing the KU Commission on the Status of Women, on Tuesday delivers a stack of signed petitions to Gov. Sam Brownback's office, urging the governor to veto anti-abortion bills.

— Abortion rights supporters on Tuesday pleaded with Gov. Sam Brownback to veto proposed abortion restrictions approved by the Legislature, saying the bills will endanger women's health.

As they delivered petitions with 1,600 signatures, they warned that a declaration in one bill that human life "begins at fertilization" and that unborn children have interests that should be protected will pave the way for more obstacles to safe abortions.

"That preamble language is dangerous," said Holly Weatherford of the American Civil Liberties Union of Kansas and Western Missouri.

Weatherford noted that the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue has already cited the life begins at fertilization stance as an opportunity for further restrictions.

Operation Rescue said the bill could be used for lawsuits by parents or grandparents who want to block abortions or to have law enforcement scrutinize clinics.

"For me this is just delightful, Troy Newman, president of Operation Rescue, said recently. "It opens up so many avenues."

Despite the petition from abortion rights groups, Brownback, an ardent opponent of abortion, will likely sign the bills into law.

In addition to declaring when life begins, House Bill 2253 is a wide-ranging proposal that blocks tax breaks for abortion providers and tax deductions for medical expenses for an abortion. The bill also requires that physicians provide women information about breast cancer as a potential risk of abortion. The National Cancer Institute has concluded that abortion doesn’t increase the risk of cancer.

And the measure includes a ban on sex-selection abortions, even though no evidence has been presented that this happens in Kansas.

Brownback also has on his desk Senate Bill 142, which would prevent parents of a child born with birth defects from suing their doctor under a “wrongful birth” claim.

Kansans for Life described the bill as “civil rights for the unborn,” but abortion rights advocates said the proposal would allow a doctor to not tell a woman that her fetus has a severe defect because of the doctor’s concern over a potential abortion.

At a news conference, Elise Higgins, of the Kansas National Organization for Women, said the bills intrude on the doctor-patient relationship and put government in charge of decisions best left to women and their families.

"Politicians are not doctors and they should not pretend to be," Higgins said. "Abortion is a deeply personal and often complex decision. You cannot make that decision for someone else."

Sen. Marci Francisco, D-Lawrence, said HB 2253 was rushed through the Senate Public Health and Welfare Committee in one day. That led to mistakes in the measure, she said.

"We shouldn't have the Public Health Committee writing tax code," she said.

When Francisco and others in the Senate tried to amend the bill on the floor of the Senate to make exemptions for victims of rape and incest, supporters of the bill accused her of trying to run "gotcha" amendments. Francisco said she was trying to ensure that people in dire situations weren't being punished.

Rev. Joshua Longbottom, associate pastor at Plymouth Congregational Church in Lawrence, said he has provided pastoral care to women facing difficult decisions about their pregnancies.

"I believe these women are the best moral agents for making those decisions without government intrusion," Longbottom said. He added, "The more difficult that abortions become, the more young women's lives will be put in danger."

Haley Miller, a senior at Kansas University and representing the KU Commission on the Status of Women, criticized the "wrongful birth" proposal. "A woman has a right to know the truth about her pregnancy," she said.

And Gail James, representing the Mainstream Coalition, said, "These bills are really about politics; they are not about medicine."

James said many women are upset with Brownback's policies on abortion. "Gov. Brownback please pay attention. The women of Kansas are paying attention," she said.


Mike1949 5 years, 2 months ago

I am reminded of the Salem trials, government trying to influence societies acknowledgment of basic behavior. It is called TIERNEY!

Cai 5 years, 2 months ago

...tyranny? (i'm legitimately confused and not sure if you're trying to write a different word or not).

Pepe 5 years, 2 months ago

LOL -- is TIERNEY anything like tyranny?

Not sure if this post was intended to be a joke.

Marci Francisco 5 years, 2 months ago

For the record, my amendments addressed exemptions for rape and the life of the mother.

Senator Marci Francisco

rtwngr 5 years, 2 months ago

For the record: We know your record, Marci. I vote against you at every opportunity!

bad_dog 5 years, 2 months ago

For the record she was indicating her amendments addressed exemptions for rape and the life of the mother and did not include incest as the article above indicated.

Glad I could help you discern the distinction. For the record, of course.

chootspa 5 years, 2 months ago

For the record, she should take that as a sign that she's doing a great job.

pocket_of_sunshine 5 years, 2 months ago

Thank you for your efforts. You not being able to purchase the additional supplemental policy for abortion coverage led me to call my insurance company. I found that Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City has no such supplemental plans that can be purchased. I find it interesting that the law states if I want the coverage I have to pay for it myself, but there is no such coverage available.

rtwngr 5 years, 2 months ago

I find it laughable that you have the monumental gall to lecture anybody about compassion when you support murder on demand. I child in the womb is a living human being and you would support the killing of that human for a mere excuse of convenience. Sorry, you have no moral high ground from which to preach.

optimist 5 years, 2 months ago

...and yet finding evidence of single cell organisms on Mars is defined as life.

foxli 5 years, 2 months ago

Tell me, do you eat beef? Pork? Chicken? That's life. Why is human (or proto-human) Life so special?

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 2 months ago

So is an onion skin (which is a cell membrane). What's your point?

voevoda 5 years, 2 months ago

rtwngr, you consider the life of a woman "a mere excuse of convenience"? You consider remedying the consequences of rape "a mere excuse of convenience"?

Maybe, rtwngr, you should tell those persons who shoot an intruder in their homes that they are "murderers." After all, it's a mere excuse of convenience to shoot an intruder rather than allow him to stay for 9 months, at your personal risk and expense, and then acquire legal and financial responsibility for him for the next 18 years.

I thought, rtwngr, that you were against forcing people to involuntarily take legal and financial responsibility for other people I thought that you were against involuntary, unfunded government mandates. I thought that you were against the government interfering in citizens' private business. But I see now that you subscribe to these things only in regard to men, and not in regard to women.

Sorry, you have no moral high ground from which to preach.

Daniel Dicks 5 years, 2 months ago

If abortion is "murder", then shouldn't these women be put in prison for life along with the physicians? Still laughing?

Daniel Dicks 5 years, 2 months ago

If abortion is "murder", shouldn't someone be sent to prison for life? Still laughing?

daviskan 5 years, 2 months ago

I hope the "non Far Rightous" are saving all of this so they can present candidates that would present reasonable legislation that is for the people for and not that which is prepared by semi hate groups.

rtwngr 5 years, 2 months ago

Who are you lecturing on hate? Have you seen the result of an abortion? Have you seen the pieces assembled of a human being, where every part that was ripped from the body must be accounted for? You people make abortions sound like there is nothing violent or invasive takes place. This could not be further from the truth! Murderes, all.

Nevernever 5 years, 2 months ago

Then I take it you're ok with taxes going to education, feeding childern, helping mothers to be able to care for said children. And you're out there every day getting your hands dirty. Helping out the mothers who are poor, mentally ill, isolated. Because this rhetoric you're spewing on the internet isn't doing anything for women until you get out there and make a real difference by trying to change the system that keeps women from being able to make healthy choices about their bodies and sexuality.

If you think your job is done just because the child is born, then you are not pro-life. You're pro-birth.

bad_dog 5 years, 2 months ago

So you're saying someone reassembles and accounts for all the "parts" of aborted fetuses? Where have you witnessed such activities?

"You people" (your term...) make the mere act of childbirth appear to be the universal panacea for all that ails society. Just let that child be born and all the problems that led up to or caused the pregnancy as well as any post-natal issues will magically disappear. The parent(s) will automatically love, nurture and provide for the child. They will never abuse it or expose it to adverse influences or fail to provide appropriate oversight and supervision. Adoption and foster parents/group homes will no longer be necessary because all those babies will be wanted. Schools will always be adequately funded and staffed for the developing youngsters. Those with special needs or developmental disabilities will always be properly cared for. Daycare will be available, safe and affordable for families of all sizes and income levels. All this and more because that is the way our society operates. Idyllic, albeit in a vacuum, devoid of oxygen necessary to sustain rationale thinking.

Ladies, just keep those legs crossed (no matter what, you're liberated now & thus in control of all facets of your lives & sexuality) and "Voila" all these issues will be reconciled. Babies will be born without defect into this perfect world and will live happily ever after.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 2 months ago

Just out of curiosity, rtwngr, have YOU seen the results of an abortion other than those pictures shown to you on the internet? Have you actually been to a clinic and seen the "products of conception" and held the container in your hand? Because I can guarantee, if you had, your Frankenstein, nightmare, "Night of the Living Dead" descriptions would be shown for the BS they are.
"Have you seen the result of an abortion?"
Yes, I have. And you obviously haven't.

Richard07 5 years, 2 months ago

If I were you I would stay out of operating rooms and field hospitals. You don't handle human trauma well and it is affecting your well being and judgement regardless of your passion for or against abortion.

In_God_we_trust 5 years, 2 months ago

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (gehenna) Gr.

Nevernever 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes yes, we see you know how to quote the Bible. Problem is, you're also talking to people who don't believe in your God. So quoting the Bible isn't going to be very convincing whatsoever.

How about trying some logical arguments, or ones based on real actual science.

voevoda 5 years, 2 months ago

The Bible contains no prohibition against abortion. This passage definitely does not speak to the issue of abortion.

In_God_we_trust 5 years, 2 months ago

Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Isaiah 44:2 Thus says the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee;...

Isaiah 44:24-26 Thus says the Lord, thy redeemer, and He that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that makes all things; that stretches forth the heavens alone; that spreads abroad the earth by myself; that frustrates the tokens of liars, and makes diviners mad; that turn wise men backward, and make their knowledge foolish; that confirms the word of his servant, ...

Job 31:15 Did not He that made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb? (Job is the oldest book in the bible).

Psalm 22:9-11 But you are He that took me out of the womb; you did make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts. I was cast upon you from the womb: you are my God from my mother's belly. Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.

Psalm 71:6 By you have I been held up from the womb; you are He that took me out of my mother's womb: my praise will be continually of you.

Nevernever 5 years, 2 months ago

Matthew 7: 1-2 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Matthew 7: 3-5 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Col 2:18-19: Do not be taken in by people who like groveling to angels, and worshiping them; people like that are always going on about some vision they have had, inflating themselves to a false importance with their worldly outlook. A man of this sort is not united to the head.

See we can quote Bible verses, too. Now do you have any actual rational arguments?

optimist 5 years, 2 months ago

People who value life even at the earliest stages of develpment are haters? After reading this story maybe you'll re-evaluate your defination of hateful.

Pepe 5 years, 2 months ago

What an awful story -- if convicted, I hope that guy (and the nurses who assisted him) go to prison and never seen the light of day again. It sounds like a horror movie.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 2 months ago

Gee, isn't it interesting to note that the doctor was shut down and is under arrest for doing those things under existing laws? You think I and others don't know that these kind of people exist and are just as much of a threat to women as back alley abortionists? You don't realize that the whole point of keeping it legal is to keep it SAFE?

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 2 months ago

The "homunculus" theory of reproduction went out the window when van Leeuwenhoek invented the microscope. He identified spermatozoa in 1677. But he was also a Dutch Calvinist. It took the Roman Catholic Church a few centuries to catch up.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 2 months ago

A friend of mine made the comment, "Every holier-than-thou nitwit in every state legislature in every state needs to be forced to read that, several times and out loud."

Nevernever 5 years, 2 months ago

“Pro-life” is simply a philosophy in which the only life worth saving is the one that can be saved by punishing a woman.

That right there is it, in a nutshell. Also hi Cait. Glad you liked the article. ;)

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 2 months ago

It still blows me away that, just by being elected to a governmental position, career politicians like Sammie and people that own car dealerships, furniture stores and insurance agencies suddenly also get a medical degree and think they can invade the exam rooms and bedrooms of the citizens they "represent". I find something just a little sick and voyeuristic about it, don't you?

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 2 months ago

In other news, child poverty in Kansas has reached a whopping 21%. Nearly half of all Kansas children receive either free or reduced lunches at school. For every 100 children that are eligible for Head Start early education, there are less than 7 slots available.
This gives the face to the saying that, to Republicans, "if you're "preborn", you're fine. If you're preschool, you're &^%$ed".
Screaming about "the babiieeesss" isn't just hypocritical, it's heartless and cruel when those children are left in poverty.

“I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.” — Sister Joan Chittister, Catholic Nun

This is the culture of "Post birth abortion" that Sam Brownback espouses. These are the crack addicted and fetal alcohol syndrome kids that die before the age of five and are incinerated and/or buried in unmarked graves by the welfare system. These are the kids of mentally ill mothers that beat them and bruise them and neglect and starve them, even when they have food stamps. These are the kids that go for years being sexually abused, run away from home at the age of thirteen to try and escape the hell and end up being sex trafficed, going from one hell to another. Then they have kids of their own and perpetuate the cycle all over again. These are the kids that end up in foster care, a special hell of it's own. They are unadoptable. They're too old, not the right color, have overwhelming disabilities like autism where they scream at 14 hours a stretch. TANF has a 48 month lifetime cap. Just what the heck do you think happens to those kids when that 48 months is up?
Your new laws will force more babies to be born, alright. Straight into the arms of hell. And your governor talk about a "culture of life".
Yeah. Right.

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