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Strong response

September 18, 2012

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There is much confusion about what actually triggered protests and assaults on U.S. embassies and embassy staff members in a number of Mideast countries, but U.S. spokespeople — President Obama or Secretary of State Clinton — should not hesitate to make a strong statement and take strong actions.

Trying to win friends and not anger militants, protesters or religious sects is a wrong and dangerous reaction.

A U.S. ambassador has been killed, along with three staff members. Mobs have torn down and burned the American flag and tried to damage other embassies. They are thugs, killers, and the longer the U.S. tries to be nice and suggest they understand the frustration or anger of the terrorists, the greater the incentive for these outlaws to become bolder in their efforts to show their disdain and hatred of the U.S.

At this time, there is no way of knowing how long the protests may last or the eventual consequences of these lawless actions. Nor is it possible to know how these assaults on U.S. embassies will affect the upcoming U.S. presidential election.

Nevertheless, it seems safe to say the majority of Americans want a tough but reasoned response from the White House. There is nothing to be gained by showing weakness or suggesting these actions reflect the feelings of only a handful of misguided thugs or religious zealots.

They hate America and what it stands for, and many are willing to die for their cause.

A turn-the-other-cheek approach cannot and should not be the response from the White House.

Comments

grammaddy 2 years, 1 month ago

Radical Islamists are to Muslims as Fred Phelps is to Christianity. Let us be very careful NOT to enter into another war. And somebody stuff a sock in the Mittster's mouth.

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tbaker 2 years, 1 month ago

There are hundreds of millions of christians, hindus, buddists, etc who all suffer the exact same set of problems faced by the poor / oppressed Muslim populations. The difference is their belief systems do not promote violence and murder against people of different faiths.

Red Herring fail.

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cowboy 2 years, 1 month ago

Lets see , should we just send a bunch of random bombs. Might want to come to the realization we cannot control the world events. We can influence if we are in dialogue and being present in war zones is risky for our brave state department employees.

Your Romneyworld view is quite transparent. Am I the only one who thinks there has been a good bit of selective editing of the days stories this past week as Tricky Mitt has repeatedly stepped in poop. Little mention of Romney's faux paux last week the day of the attack. No mention of the news released yesterday on his attitude towards half of the electorate.

You are becoming Fox News LJW.

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jaywalker 2 years, 1 month ago

Certainly hope you're the only one.

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tbaker 2 years, 1 month ago

Fox News? Hummm...lets see....

Egyptian embassy stormed, flag torn down and burned. Afghanistan in shambles. Libyan consulate sacked, ambassador and three others murdered. Number one ally in the region (Israel) snubbed / won’t meet with Netanyahu. Iran continues to make steady progress towards nukes. In spite of his apology tour to the Muslim world, it's difficult to view current events and not see Obama's foreign policy as anything other than abject failure. He projects weakness. Consequently none of this is a surprise.

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notajayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

"Might want to come to the realization we cannot control the world events."

In other words, we're going to give Odumbo credit for all the positive changes, and when it starts circling the drain we'll say we can't control world events. Of course.

BTW, how would you rate the deposing of a dictator (that hadn't bothered the United States in over 20 years) by force and putting the current scum in charge on your ol' "influence" scale?

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repaste 2 years, 1 month ago

Unsigned editorials merit response?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

"You are becoming Fox News LJW."

That pretty well sums up this disastrous regurgitation of the largely fact-free spin that Fox has been puking out over these events.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

Before or after you get disappeared again?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

The most effective way to answer your question is to watch them for about 3 minutes. Not that you have the intellectual (or any other type) integrity to recognize it when you see it.

But make sure you don't watch 3 minutes of infomercials-- they are much more accurate than the "news"casts, and might give you a false impression.

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Armstrong 2 years, 1 month ago

Hey keep talking to yourself it's almost entertaining. Unfortunately you seem to be the smartest in your single conversation.

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rockchalker52 2 years, 1 month ago

"... Tough but reasoned response..." Oh, that's ever so helpful. Would you care to elaborate, LJW? Your vague & macho posturing does nothing to advance the goals of peace & understanding.

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rockchalker52 2 years, 1 month ago

Gee, President Obama hasn't waved his magic wand & transformed the entire middle east yet? MrsPee, your ridiculous generalities are fine examples of why bridging any gaps in the world of government proves so frustrating.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

"disappeared like flatulence in a stiff Kansas breeze."

But you do an amazing job of distilling that flatulence, and dropping it on the rest of us (until admin gets a whiff, and turns on the ventilation.)

EDIT--

This was posted to the now disappeared (again) Mrs. P of Linwood.

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geekin_topekan 2 years, 1 month ago

"They hate America and what it stands for"

+++

Many, many Muslims love America and live by our rules and pursue the dream every single day. Simplifying and trivializing the causes of the deadly violence toward America is irresponsible and passes the buck onto our fighting men and women, W.'s defining presidential attribute.

Once again, repubs have proven that they only care about you when you are in the womb or at military age. They have little interest in examining their own actions to figure out what can be altered to change the world for the better. They only want money and will offer up our defending young men and women as collateral.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

"Simplifying and trivializing"

But if they couldn't do this, they'd have nothing to say at all. (wouldn't that silence be golden?)

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pizzapete 2 years, 1 month ago

"Once again, repubs have proven that they only care about you when you are in the womb or at military age" I'm not sure I agree with that. It seems to me Romney was saying he doesn't care about you until you're making over $250,000 a year.

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Armstrong 2 years, 1 month ago

Why dont you go over and have a nice talk with the Taliban. Let them know Barry cares and we all just need a big hug. Try to do it before they slit your throat infidel.

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orbiter 2 years, 1 month ago

I'd know that junior high writing style, platitude heavy, incurious regurgitation of Fox News rhetoric anywhere! Dolf! What up, dog?! Good to see you are still staying on the surface of an issue and repeating what you hear on a TV channel! Hey, no need to try when you've been handed a life and a megaphone. You be you, baby!

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John Hamm 2 years, 1 month ago

Well, you Liberals have certainly shown your understanding of the Muslim religion in this series of posts.

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verity 2 years, 1 month ago

There seems to be a lot of Phoenix Rising From the Ashes and once again flying too close to the sun.

Makes for some disjointed reading.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 1 month ago

I was just about to say the same thing. I'd rather the LJW leave the message that a post has been removed, rather than disappearing the comment entirely. That way we know a response was made to an actual post and not to thin air.

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meggers 2 years, 1 month ago

Are you suggesting we start another war? Seriously?

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tbaker 2 years, 1 month ago

Paul: The US should never go to war again, at least not until we as a people come together and agree that the only reason to go to war is victory. There is no other outcome worthy of our blood and treasure. We don't fight to win anymore. We fight for the sake of it, to spend money we have to borrow on the military industrial complex, to "feel" better about some issue, etc. We don't fight to win anymore becuase doing so requires things that would shock the sensabilities of our politically correct society who suffer the collective delusion that it is possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. We have mollified the process to the point the general public are no longer frightened by it - except the kids we feed into this immoral meat grinder. War is supposed to be horrifying. The American culture has turned it into a PG-13 production. Since we don’t fight to win anymore, how can we be surprised by adversaries who have no fear of us, knowing we will pull our punches? This simply means we will continue to lose.

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PapaB 2 years, 1 month ago

The Mainstream Media likes to gloss over the fact that the US Embassies are on US soil and should be treated as a direct attack on our country. Granted, these attacks don't merit the same response as 9/11/2001, but they do merit a strong, yet focused, military response.

Obama's administration is the parent that refuses to truly punish their kids, but tries idle threats, talking it out, or time outs. Sooner or later, the kids walk all over the parents.

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Alyosha 2 years, 1 month ago

Define "Mainstream Media." Does that not include the LJW? If not, why not?

Give specific examples of your claims of what "they" "gloss over."

Also, this was a consulate, not an embassy. Do you know the difference? If so, why do you mistake a consulate for an embassy?

Relatedly, demonstrate your source for your claim that "US Embassies are on US soil (sic)." According to the Vienna Conventions, to which the US is a signatory, embassies are not sovereign territory but inviolate domiciles of diplomats, to my reading. Show me your sources for your assertion that ""US Embassies are on US soil."

Lastly, against whom specifically should the "strong, yet focused, military response" you desire be targeted? You appear to be aware of who exactly carried out the attacks, who ordered them, and who is to be held responsible. That's a lot of highly sensitive intel you seem to be party to. Do explain how you come by this information.

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cowboy 2 years, 1 month ago

"Since Obama took office, media outlets have reported more than 300 drone strikes in Pakistan targeting al-Qaeda or the Taliban, outnumbering the Bush administration’s drone strikes five to one. " ...from slate

Pesky Facts

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Armstrong 2 years, 1 month ago

And we're still the world wide joke despite Barry's "efforts". Fact

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Armstrong 2 years, 1 month ago

I noticed you do that adolescent crap every time you lose an arguement - which is frequently. Stay off the computer before Mom and Dad find out what you're doing.

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Alyosha 2 years, 1 month ago

No, not "fact," but rather unsupported assertion and unmoored belief. Demonstrate with evidence how "we're still the world wide joke."

If you can't demonstrate it, why would you say it? Beliefs mean nothing, nor opinions. If you can't demonstrate with evidence your claims, your comment is worthless.

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juma 2 years, 1 month ago

Islam is the problem. To defend this evil cult is the same as saying 'let us follow Fred Phelps because He knows the way'. I lived in the moslem world for over 20 years. These a-holes make you follow ALL their ways but do NOT give you any respect. There is only ONE religion for them and if the world does not wake up then we are doomed. Just remember; Not all moslems are 'active' terrorists, but 99.99% of terrorists are (what) MOSLEMS.!!

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Armstrong 2 years, 1 month ago

Big fan of lead therapy for the terrorist clan

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uncleandyt 2 years, 1 month ago

Listen loudly to your screams for war. Consider how tough you are to offer up the blood of others to protect a fantasy of treasure. Our reasoned response will be continued bombings, kidnap, and torture. Horse poop excuses of offensive films are a distraction from the fact that We are paying to slaughter people over there. Try to imagine how people don't like to have their country invaded, their homes destroyed, their children murdered. It's past time for you warmongers to stop pretending that killing is the right thing to do. If we can't come to our senses, we should turn ourselves in as accessories to murder. Are We not pigs?

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