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Obama condemns attack that killed envoy, 3 others

September 12, 2012, 9:53 a.m. Updated September 12, 2012, 1:48 p.m.

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— President Barack Obama vowed Wednesday the United States would "work with the Libyan government to bring to justice" those who killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in an attack on the consulate in Benghazi.

"Make no mistake. Justice will be done," he said in a Rose Garden appearance at the White House.

Obama, who ordered an increase in security at U.S. facilities overseas, said he "condemns in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack.

He spoke after Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney also condemned the attack but criticized the administration for its initial response to a separate incident on Tuesday, the breach of the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

The president spoke with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at his side as the deaths in Libya quickly roiled the U.S. political campaign, now in its final seven weeks.

Stevens, 52, and three other Americans were killed when he and a group of embassy employees went to the consulate to try to evacuate staff as the building came under attack by a mob armed with guns and rocket propelled grenades.

The incidents in Benghazi and Cairo have been attributed to the work of protesters angry over a film that ridiculed Islam's Prophet Muhammad.

In his remarks, Obama said: "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, but there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence, none."

Romney's criticism appeared limited to an initial statement issued the previous day by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. He said it was "akin to an apology," and that said as president, Obama bears responsibility for it. "They clearly sent mixed messages for the world," he said of the administration.

The U.S. Embassy in Cairo issued a warning to all Americans in Cairo early Tuesday morning that it expected there would be demonstrations in the general neighborhood of the embassy. When it became clear later in the day that there would be a demonstration outside the embassy, it issued the statement referenced by Romney.

That statement said that the embassy "condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." The statement was issued before protesters breached the embassy.

Vice President Joe Biden, campaigning in Dayton, Ohio, said there is "no place in the civilized world" for the attacks and reinforced Obama's vow to bring the killers to justice.

Biden made no reference to Romney's criticism.

Stevens is the first U.S. ambassador to be killed in an attack since 1979, when Ambassador Adolph Dubs was killed in Afghanistan. The State Department identified one of the other Americans killed Tuesday as Sean Smith, a foreign service information management officer. The identities of the others were being withheld pending notification of next of kin.

The White House said Obama was informed Tuesday night that Stevens was not accounted for and was notified Wednesday morning that he had been killed.

In a written statement earlier Wednesday, Obama called Stevens a "courageous and exemplary representative of the United States."

The four Americans, he said, "exemplified America's commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe."

U.S. officials said some 50 Marines were being sent to Libya to reinforce security at U.S. diplomatic facilities in the aftermath of the attack.

The Marines are members of an elite group known as a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, whose role is to respond on short notice to terrorism threats and to reinforce security at U.S. embassies. They operate worldwide.

The officials who disclosed the plan to send the Marines spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Following his Rose Garden remarks, Obama went to the State Department to visit employees and offer support. The White House said Obama wanted to express solidarity with U.S. diplomats and thank them for their service.

The White House also lowered its flag to half staff.

Meanwhile, the U.N. Security Council has a long-scheduled meeting Wednesday morning to discuss Libya and diplomats said the United States is seeking a council statement on the attack. U.N. Undersecretary-General Jeffrey Feltman, a former American diplomat and close friend of Stevens', is scheduled to brief the council on Libya.

Stevens was a career diplomat who spoke Arabic and French and had already served two tours in Libya, including running the office in Benghazi during the revolt against Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi. He was confirmed as ambassador to Libya by the Senate earlier this year.

His State Department biography, posted on the website of the U.S. Embassy to Libya, says he "considers himself fortunate to participate in this incredible period of change and hope for Libya."

Clinton said Stevens had a "passion for service, for diplomacy and for the Libyan people."

He "risked his own life to lend the Libyan people a helping hand to build the foundation for a new, free nation. He spent every day since helping to finish the work that he started," she said.

Stevens joined the Foreign Service in 1991 and spent his early State Department career at posts in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and Israel. After working for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff for Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., Stevens was posted to Libya as deputy chief of mission.

In that post, Stevens wrote several confidential cables back to Washington, describing Gadhafi's bizarre behavior. During the 2011 revolt against Gadhafi, he was one of the last American diplomats to stay in Tripoli and after the embassy was closed, he was appointed to head the U.S. liaison office to the Transitional National Council.

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Associated Press writers Edith M. Lederer, Matthew Lee and Matt Daly contributed to this report.

Comments

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 3 months ago

I don't understand why they would kill the Ambassador and three of his staff to protest an American movie. I am quite sure that no one at the American Embassy had anything to do with the making of this movie. I have read several remarks about this movie, but have yet to read the name.

DRsmith 2 years, 3 months ago

Because there are a lot of fanatical muslims? A few drone attacks should be good pay back.

gphawk89 2 years, 3 months ago

See jhawkinsf's comment above ("Now take a deep breath. Think."). They generally don't. They react. Someone insulted Islam. Lots of Christians in the US. So naturally they attacked the US embassy.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 3 months ago

After a little surfing, it appears Sam Bacile is not a real person, perhaps a pseudonym. There seems to be doubt he is Israeli, might not be Jewish, and might be associated with some other extremist groups. It's all way too early to say for certain. More information needs to be forthcoming before we can say for sure.

Glenn Reed 2 years, 3 months ago

The movie doesn't matter. It's a completely irrelevant detail. It could have been a few pages in a holy book being damaged by accident. It could have been a cartoon.

If the movie is relevant motivation for such an attack, then I have a perfect set of motivations to go on a murderous rampage of my own. And so do you. "you" being "everyone."

We need to stop pretending that "our feelings are hurt" is motivation enough for "let's kill people."

ksjayhawk74 2 years, 3 months ago

Here is the trailer for the movie that has them so angry. It's not just incredible offensive to Muslims, the production value is terrible as well.

Keep in mind that the people protesting are from an incredibly small Ultra Conservative Muslim group that does not represent the rest of the over 2.2 Billion Muslims in the world.

The protestors don't represent Islam, just as the Westboro Baptist Church does not represent the United States.

DRsmith 2 years, 3 months ago

Who cares how offensive it is? Them fools wouldn't know freedom if it bit them in the butt. Time to hit back.

ksjayhawk74 2 years, 3 months ago

It's not truth. It's very offensive satire.

Hooligan_016 2 years, 3 months ago

"The protestors don't represent Islam, just as the Westboro Baptist Church does not represent the United States." /or Xtianity in general

++++This cannot be said enough.

Shane Garrett 2 years, 3 months ago

When was the last time the Westboro Baptist Church burned down an embassy and murdered a diplomat?

Fred Mertz 2 years, 3 months ago

I don't understand why they would do this to us? Because of Obama the international community loves us now. They told us this during the DNC.

I just hope Obama uses diplomacy instead of waging war to resolve this incident. The Libyan president apologized. What more is needed?

We don't need Obama doing a Bush imitation and retaliating and starting another unfounded war!

DRsmith 2 years, 3 months ago

Sorry? Really? Tell that to the families of those who were murdered.

jonas_opines 2 years, 3 months ago

Your anger is clouding your sarcasm detector, fyi.

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

And at the RNC the Repubilcans ignored our troops currently in harms way and forgot that we are still at war in Afghanistan.

The attack was carried out by religious fanatics, not the international community. The nation of Libya didn't attack us, but rather the attack was carried out by conservative vandals, which is a horrible shame given the support we gave to Libyians in overthrowing Gadhafi. I hope the Libyian government, as weak as it is, prosecutes those individuals responsible. It is not something over which we should go to war.

Fred Mertz 2 years, 3 months ago

I am glad to see we agree about not going to war over this.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

Gee, what a surprise, bea found a way to work in her usual rant about the evils of the Republican party. What's the matter, bea, haven't quite figured out how you're going to pin this on Bush yet?

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

Hey nota, if you didn't notice, my comment was in response to the previous, misdirected comment about the DNC. Context is your friend.

tomatogrower 2 years, 3 months ago

Bigots all. The film maker was a bigot for making the stupid film to begin with. And the murderers and protesters are bigots to think that all US citizens were involved in such a stupid film. Send them all to Saturn. And none of them are even the least bit religious.

I agree with free speech, but this is like kicking a rabid dog. He knew exactly the reaction he would get, and made the film to get that reaction. Are all Jews and Christians mean bigots? No. Are all Muslims ready to kill any US citizen because of a bigot's stupid film? I'm tired of bigots.

Steve Jacob 2 years, 3 months ago

The Libyan government failed us, killing any head ambassador is unforgivable and an act of war. Governments have to protect embassies, much like we do for other UN ambassadors,, if we like them or not does not matter. If Libya or Egypt can't protect our diplomats, they don't deserve our money.

Fred Mertz 2 years, 3 months ago

Not quite what is there, 20 or so Phelps? There are entire countries that think and act exactly like this group. And as far as I know Fred and his cult have not killed anyone.

ksjayhawk74 2 years, 3 months ago

There are NOT entire countries that think and act like that group. I would hope that someone reading your post would not conclude that everyone in the United States is a bigot.

Fred Mertz 2 years, 3 months ago

Perhaps there is some hyperbole in my comment but not too much considering countries like Iran and Somalia .

Of course not everyone in the country thinks alike, but the majority does.

verity 2 years, 3 months ago

Unfortunately, the "prick" is probably gloating that he got the response he wanted. And now he will have his fame.

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

Absolutely correct Gotland.

Now, feel free to leave your keys in your unlocked car when you go shopping in Topeka, carry large amounts of cash and flash it while partying at seedy bars late at night, and never worry about locking your house when away or at night. If anything bad happens, you will be comforted by the fact that the criminals are 100% at fault.

Certain precautions are advisable in a variety of situations.

Gerald Dever 2 years, 3 months ago

The role of education in the middle east seems paramount here...sheria law, jihaddist citizens, middle eastern national governments turning a blind eye toward any hostilities expressed by their extremist citizens, including murder. Where do they attend school? In a mosque? No secondary school including even a general psychology course, or sociology course...just nations raising, not Muslems, but a good percentage of islamists. I wonder if the pseudonym for the movie maker should have been imbecile. Then again, I am reasonably angry to see billions of tax dollars going to a myriad of nations every single year, while we can not provide free health care to poor people. The imbalances go on and on into perpetuity.

Armstrong 2 years, 3 months ago

Well at least Barry is "upset" about the murdered ambassador and said something besides he sorry we upset the Muslims. How did that moron get elected

shotgun 2 years, 3 months ago

He beat a bigger moron that had the biggest moron for a running mate.

ksjayhawk74 2 years, 3 months ago

Obama never apologized for upsetting Muslims in response to the attacks.

Carol Bowen 2 years, 3 months ago

The Cairo statement was before the incident in Libya. See factcheck.org

voevoda 2 years, 3 months ago

Obama is 100% right to disavow that horribly offensive film. And he is 100% right to say there is no justification whatsoever to murder diplomats because of any film produced in their home country. Obama continues to distinguish between the vast majority of Muslims, who do not engage in acts of violence, and the very few extremists who violate the teachings of Islam and engage in violence against innocent people. It's a pity, Armstrong, that you don't make the same distinction.

Armstrong 2 years, 3 months ago

Maybe you can send a sympathy card filled with your BS to the family of the murdered ambassador, I'm sure the good Muslims will.

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

Armstrong, if you want to talk about moronic, it was Romney and Preibus who forgot to express their condolences in their rush to misattribute and politicize an embassy press release. In reality, the maligned "apologetic" release was published without Washington's approval and against their wishes by a Cairo official named Larry Schwartz.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/12/inside_the_public_relations_disaster_at_the_cairo_embassy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/09/12/the-lost-soul-of-mitt-romney/

Nice new avatar -- your boy probably just lost the election.

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

Well, I can tell you how that mormon isn't going to get elected.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 3 months ago

"In his remarks, Obama said: "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others..." Remember that the next time you want to rave about Baptists, Jews or Mormons. You're making the Baby Soertoro cry.

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

And when I do want to rave about baptists, jews or mormons, I will expect nothing but your full support, right? Or do you only support the right to insult muslims?

Flap Doodle 2 years, 3 months ago

Those were the Mope's words, not mine. No religion owns the right to not be offended. Of course, Baptists, Jews and Mormons won't go rampaging into the streets burning and murdering to express their displeasure.

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

How silly to think that only Muslims are capable of rampaging based on religious views.

cowboy 2 years, 3 months ago

3 am , The White house

Hello , this is Mitts automated answering service , our office hours are 8 am to 3 pm monday thru thursday , i'm off on fridays commoners.

For an automated insult of the european continent press 1 For a knee jerk press release on current events press 2 For Bibi N , i got your orders If this is about Seamus screw you Anything Else press 3 , Im sleeping

Armstrong 2 years, 3 months ago

On the domestic side this morning. The new jobless report, wait for it - higher then expected. Originally thought to be a mere 370,000 topped 380,000. Govt spending is outpacing our GDP which is now growing at a blistering 1.7 percent. If that news doesnt make you happy gas has gone up a nickle a gallon since last week. What's not to love about Barry.

Pastor_Bedtime 2 years, 3 months ago

Since you've the poor taste to attempt to derail the topic at hand, how many jobs would be created by taxing Mitt the Mooch's entitlements like his magical dancing horse that you and I get to pay for? How about the untold millions he shelters offseas and is afraid to even reveal the amounts and locations of?

Armstrong 2 years, 3 months ago

The money is Mitt's not yours, he can do with it as he chooses. Why dont you hang out with yourworstnightmare and whine aboout his tax returns too

Pastor_Bedtime 2 years, 3 months ago

Shielding from taxation untold millions is at the least an indication that as a statesman Romney is ethically challenged, as he should be keeping the monies where they actually benefit his nation, instead of his bottom line. And if the cons can grouse about low-income women receiving birth control or other reproductive services through their health plan or insurance, than by god I'll whine long and hard about Ann's "therapy horse" that she expects us to subsidize through tax deductions well in excess of seventy thousand dollars.

bd 2 years, 3 months ago

If these goverments cannot protect our diplomats, bring them home along with the billions of $'s we give them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

"If a well-worded apology saves innocent lives--especially innocent American lives"

Since you apparently haven't been paying attention, the placater-in-chief's naivite and foreign policy failures have just cost the lives of four innocent Americans. Go tell Mrs. Stevens and the families of the other three murdered Americans how Odumbo's mealy-mouthed apologies save American lives.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

Oh, sorry, when you get called on an absurdly stupid comment, it must be because the critic didn't understand what you were saying.

I understood it quite well, thank you. And I stand by my response. You can defend your Messiah with all the drivel you're capable of spewing, but the course of action you voice support for is costing American lives, not saving them.

(By the way, spanky, it wasn't "hours, maybe even minutes", it was months - and 'coincidentally' right near the commemoration - or celebration, in the case of people like you - of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, and similar consulate attacks in at least two other countries.)

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

"someone who regularly posts hyper-partisan rubbish"

Excuse me, Mr. Pot? Mr. Kettle's holding for you on line one. Thanks for the morning chuckle, Ag, always funny when YOU call someone else "partisan".

By what passes for logic in your fuzzy little head, Ag, if only FDR could have come up with "a well-worded apology ", just think of how many tens of thousands of American lives would have been saved.

No matter how you spin it, you're still blaming a MOVIE for a direct attack on the duly appointed representative and consulate property of the United States of America. The fact that you have no convictions or belief in anything doesn't mean the rest of the country should surrender their spines as well. You were born too late, Ag - think of how much you could have helped out had you been around to apologize to Hitler for Americans taking a cruise and not respecting the German's desire to sink it.

"What role did the most-recent YouTube postings play in fueling the violence?"

Yeah, I'm sure that was it. I'm sure it had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with September 11th. After all, it's always the "most-recent" posting that matters. The fact that it had already been there "for quite some time" and the murderers weren't incensed about it enough to murder anyone until the anniversary of the most successful arrack on this country in decades means nothing.

For the record - I couldn't care less if the move portrays Muhammed humping a camel. That's hardly justification for an act of war, hardly justification for the clueless and incompetent leader of this country to drop to his knees and beg forgiveness, or for the spineless fools that put him in office to use a Youtube video to justify premeditated and coordinated murder.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

I tend to, yes. Because even Obama hasn't DISGUSTED me as much as his actions this week in the past. But enough is enough, and anyone that would still vote for that dirtbag doesn't deserve to call themself an American, let alone have a voice in who leads this country.

bd 2 years, 3 months ago

Apologize for our right to freedom of speech??? Keep your apologies and quit giving them the billions we need here!!!!!!!!!

Tea anyone????

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

You are mis-attributing. The maligned "apologetic" release was published without Washington's approval and against their wishes by a Cairo official named Larry Schwartz.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/12/inside_the_public_relations_disaster_at_the_cairo_embassy

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

"President Barack Obama vowed Wednesday the United States would "work with the Libyan government to bring to justice" those who killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans"

And today it was Yemen added to Egypt and Libya. Does the appeaser-in-chief really believe that anyone in the world is still concerned about his 'vows for justice'?

I thought Obumbo was supposed to have improved our image in the eyes of the world - remind me again, how many of our ambassadors were murdered on Bush's watch? Oh, that's right, the last time we had an ambassador killed Carter was president. Quelle surprise.

It's hardly surprising the usual spineless posters here approve of Odumbo apologizing. They have no convictions about anything, they have nothing but hatred for the country that shelters them. When a pack of animals has no fear of murdering the UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR to their dirthole country, the official face of the United States, its government, and it's people, simply because they don't like a movie, Americans aren't safe anywhere in the world. Not only are we not better off than we were four years ago, we're less safe as well, because Odumbo's foreign policy has proven to be as abysmal of a failure as his economic policy. Except, of course, to the pablum-swilling lemmings who continuing to defend the actions of the incompetent moron in the Oval Office.

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

You are mis-attributing. The maligned "apologetic" release was published without Washington's approval and against their wishes by a Cairo official named Larry Schwartz.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/12/inside_the_public_relations_disaster_at_the_cairo_embassy

Flap Doodle 2 years, 3 months ago

Jimmy Carter Lite, that's who is living in the White House now.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

"but this is like kicking a rabid dog"

And what do YOU suggest as the best way to deal with a rabid dog, tomatogrower? Feed it some more? Keep petting and cuddling it until the little rascal stops biting you? Or do you shoot it?

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

Perhaps it was a bad analogy. It might be better to think of it like waking a single rabid dog within a massive pack of rabid dogs. Shooting "it" isn't actually an option because there are more where the first one came from.

It doesn't excuse the rabid dogs for acting like rabid dogs, but knowing they are rabid dogs suggests a tad bit of prudence on the part of others. Can you really not understand that?

Armstrong 2 years, 3 months ago

Bring more bullets, lead therapy works as well on rabid dogs as Muslim exremists that want to kill you.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

Makes as much sense as anything else you post, bea - we should be careful not to offend the rabid dogs because then they might bite us again, we should just keep feeding them and showing them understanding, then they will never bother anyone. That your plan?

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

Well, bea, now that the number of embassies being beseiged is up to five, it would seem that your policy of "prudence" seems to be encouraging the other rabid dogs to get their bites in, too.

Can you really not understand that?

Pssst - that was rhetorical, bea, it's well established that you don't understand that - or much else.)

Carol Bowen 2 years, 3 months ago

Has everyone forgotten that 911 was on president Bush's watch? Presidents cannot protect us from every possible threat. This is not a campaign topic anymore than the Iran Contra affair.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

Has anyone forgotten that they were already here, getting training to fly those planes and planning out the details while Clinton was in charge?

(Pssst - that was a rhetorical question.)

But my own memory must be faulty - after all, I must have forgotten all about Bush aplogizing to Bin Laden for putting those towers in front of his airplanes.

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

Your memory clearly isn't the only thing faulty with you.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

Huh. I guess that's all theoretical since the last time we had an ambassador killed in office it was a Demcorat in the Oval Office, too.

You forgot the Larryville response, regardless of who's in the White House:

"We should ignore this, the poor oppressed and misunderstood little rascals were justifiably upset that some big meanie (probably a Republican) said some bad things about Muhammed. Let's send them more money (I'm sure China will lend us some more) because that's the only answer to any problem, throwing more money away. And whatever we do, we don't want to upset the little dirtbags that murdered our ambassador, we have to treat them with compassion and understanding. Then we can all sing Kumbaya, get on our unicorns, and ride off into the sunset to find a place where we can bend over and take it from them again."

IndusRiver 2 years, 3 months ago

I request the birth records of these war antagonists who stop at nothing, not even American blood on their hands, to determine if they are theirselves American, for I think not. In which case let us decide as a country to make room at Guantanamo (Abu Graib, too) for the good of all innocents world over, Arab and American.

IndusRiver 2 years, 3 months ago

Of course, Baptists, Jews and Mormons won't go rampaging into the streets burning and murdering to express their displeasure.

Our government doesn't drive tanks through their towns, slaughter their people, discard their way of life, steal their oil, level their infrastructure and spend many years thereafter trying to figure out, and explain, what they created the mess for in the first place.

Reality vs. fantasy. You lose, snap.

IndusRiver 2 years, 3 months ago

The man who made the movie is Sam Bacile

Terrorist from California.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

Uh, yeah. making a Youtube video makes someone a terrorist, murdering an ambassador makes one a noble soul fighting for freedom from oppression.

Just

frikkin'

brilliant.

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

Please show us who has sided with the murderers who attacked the American embassy.

Your imagined outrage is simply unimaginable.

gbulldog 2 years, 3 months ago

I was taking a history course and we were studying the history of the British in India. The people in India were protesting the British occupations and started a protest campaign by laying down in front of trains. Railroad traffic halted until someone came up with the ideal of putting bacon grease on the tracks. Hindus, along with many other religions, believe that pork products make them unclean. As a result they must go through a cleansing ritual because when they die, they belive and an unclean person can not enter into their version of heaven. So why not incorporate pork into the defensive weapons, (of course they already may have) and inform the radical Islamist that we lubricate our weapons with bacon grease and that any bullet that a US soldier shoots is unclean and thus make you unclean. Same goes for stealing weopons and ammunition. And if you want bait to help elimate the radicles, bait them by burning the Koran. When they attack, they will send women and girls first. How do you think they get so many virgins to great martyers. A females life is worthless to them and that has been proven over and over. By using pork contaminated weapens, they will be so busy cleansing themselve, they will not have the time to cause any trouble. Doesn't the Koran say that Moslems will rulle the world. Not if I can help it.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

"Our government doesn't drive tanks through their towns, slaughter their people, discard their way of life, steal their oil, level their infrastructure and spend many years thereafter trying to figure out, and explain, what they created the mess for in the first place."

Maybe because they're not scum who think a Youtube video clip is sufficient justification for murder.

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

And the number of United States embassies stormed rises to five, with the addition of Sudan and Tunis today.

Hey Aggie, how's that policy of appeasement working out for ya', big guy?

notajayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

I wonder: If Odumbo hadn't sent our military to hold the French's coats for them while they got rid of Khadaffi, putting these animals in power in the first place, would he still be saying we should 'work with the Libyan government to bring justice'?

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