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Obama: Recovery path hard, challenge ‘can be met’

President Barack Obama addresses the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C., on Thursday, Sept. 6, 2012. (AP Photo/David Goldman)

President Barack Obama addresses the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C., on Thursday, Sept. 6, 2012. (AP Photo/David Goldman)

September 6, 2012

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CHARLOTTE, N.C. — His re-election in doubt, President Barack Obama conceded only halting progress Thursday night toward fixing the nation's stubborn economic woes, but vowed in a Democratic National Convention finale, "Our problems can be solved, our challenges can be met."

"Yes, our path is harder — but it leads to a better place," he declared in a prime-time speech to convention delegates and the nation, blending resolve about rescuing the nation from near economic catastrophe with stinging criticism of Republican rival Mitt Romney's own proposals.

Widely viewed as reserved, even aloof, Obama acknowledged "my own failings" as he asked for a second term, four years after taking office as the nation's first black president.

Citing progress toward recovery, he said, "After a decade that was defined by what we bought and borrowed, we're getting back to basics and doing what America has always done best: We're making things again."

"Four more years," delegates chanted over and over as the 51-year-old Obama stepped to the podium, noticeably grayer than he was as a history-making candidate for the White House in 2008.

First Lady Michelle Obama and the couple's daughters, Malia and Sasha, joined the president on stage in the moments after the speech, followed by other family members and Vice President Joe Biden and his wife. Strains of "Only in America" filled the hall as confetti filled the air.

Obama's speech was the final act of a pair of highly scripted national political conventions in as many weeks, and the opening salvo of a two-month drive toward Election Day that pits Obama against Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts. The contest is ever tighter for the White House in a dreary season of economic struggle for millions.

Biden preceded Obama at the convention podium and proclaimed, "America has turned the corner" after experiencing the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Obama didn't go that far in his own remarks, but he said firmly, "We are not going back, we are moving forward, America."

With unemployment at 8.3 percent, the president said the task of recovering from the economic disaster of 2008 is exceeded in American history only by the challenge Franklin Delano Roosevelt faced when he took office in 1933.

"It will require common effort, shared responsibility and the kind of bold persistent experimentation" that FDR employed, Obama said.

In an appeal to independent voters who might be considering a vote for Romney, he added that those who carry on Roosevelt's legacy "should remember that not every problem can be remedied with another government program or dictate from Washington.

He said, "The truth is, it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over the decades."

In the run-up to Obama's speech, delegates erupted in tumultuous cheers when former Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, grievously wounded in a 2011 assassination attempt, walked onstage to lead the Pledge of Allegiance. The hall grew louder when she blew kisses to the crowd.

And louder still when huge video screens inside the hall showed the face of Osama bin Laden, the terrorist mastermind killed in a daring raid on his Pakistani hideout by U.S. special operations forces on a mission approved by the current commander in chief.

The hall was filled to capacity long before Obama stepped to the podium, and officials shut off the entrances because of a fear of overcrowding for a speech that the campaign had originally slated for the 74,000-seat football stadium nearby. Aides said weather concerns prompted the move to the convention arena, capacity 15,000 or so.

Obama's campaign said the president would ask the country to rally around a "real achievable plan that will create jobs, expand opportunity and ensure an economy built to last."

He added, "The truth is it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over a decade."

In convention parlance, both Obama and Biden were delivering acceptance speeches before delegates who nominated them for new terms in office.

But the political significance went far beyond that — the moment when the general election campaign begins in earnest even though Obama and Romney have been pointing toward a Nov. 6 showdown for months.

To the cheers of delegates, Obama retraced his steps to halt the economic slide, including the auto bailout that Romney opposed.

"After a decade of decline, this country created over a half million manufacturing jobs in the last two and a half years," he said.

Turning to national security, he said he had promised to end the war in Iraq, and had done so.

"We've blunted the Taliban's momentum in Afghanistan, and in 2014 our longest war will be over," he said.

"A new tower rises above the New York skyline, al-Qaida is on the path to defeat and Osama bin Laden is dead," he declared, one of the night's repeated references to the special operations forces raid that resulted in the terrorist mastermind's demise more than a year ago.

He lampooned Romney's own economic proposals.

"Have a surplus? Try a tax cut. Deficit too high? Try another. Feel a cold coming on? Take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations and call us in the morning," he said.

Mocking Romney for his overseas trip earlier this summer, Obama said, "You might not be ready for diplomacy with Beijing if you can't visit the Olympics without insulting our closest ally." That was a reference to a verbal gaffe the former Massachusetts governor committed while visiting London.

Obama's campaign said the president would ask the country to rally around a "real achievable plan that will create jobs, expand opportunity and ensure an economy built to last."

Biden told the convention in his own speech that he had watched as Obama "made one gutsy decision after another" to stop an economic free-fall after they took office in 2009.

Now, he said, "we're on a mission to move this nation forward â€" from doubt and downturn to promise and prosperity. ... America has turned the corner."

Delegates who packed into their convention hall were serenaded by singer James Taylor and rocked by R&B blues artist Mary J. Blige as they awaited Obama's speech.

There was no end to the jabs aimed at Romney and the Republicans.

"Ask Osama bin Laden if he's better off than four years ago," said Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, who lost the 2004 election in a close contest with President George W. Bush. It was a mocking answer to the Republicans' repeated question of whether Americans are better off than when Obama took office.

The campaign focus was shifting quickly to politically sensitive monthly unemployment figures due out Friday morning and the first presidential debate on Oct. 3 in Denver. Wall Street hit a four-year high a few hours before Obama's speech after the European Central Bank laid out a concrete plan to support the region's struggling countries.

The economy is by far the dominant issue in the campaign, and the differences between Obama and his challenger could hardly be more pronounced.

Romney wants to extend all tax cuts that are due to expire on Dec. 31 with an additional 20 percent reduction in rates across the board, arguing that job growth would result. He also favors deep cuts in domestic programs ranging from education to parks, repeal of the health care legislation that Obama pushed through Congress and landmark changes in Medicare, the program that provides health care to seniors.

Obama wants to renew the tax cuts except on incomes higher than $250,000, saying that millionaires should contribute to an overall attack on federal deficits. He also criticizes the spending cuts Romney advocates, saying they would fall unfairly on the poor, lower-income college students and others. He argues that Republicans would "end Medicare as we know it" and saddle seniors with ever-rising costs.

After two weeks of back-to-back conventions, the impact on the race remained to be determined.

You're not going to see big bounces in this election," said David Plouffe, a senior White House adviser. "For the next 61 days, it's going to remain tight as a tick."

Romney wrapped up several days of debate rehearsals with close aides in Vermont and is expected to resume full-time campaigning in the next day or two.

In a brief stop to talk with veterans on Thursday, he defended his decision to omit mention of the war in Afghanistan when he delivered his acceptance speech last week at the Republican National Convention. He noted he had spoken to the American Legion only one day before.

Romney's campaign released its first new television ad since the convention season began.

It shows Clinton sharply questioning Obama's credibility on the Iraq War in 2008, saying "Give me a break, this whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen." Obama was running against Hillary Rodham Clinton at the time for the Democratic nomination.

It will likely be a week or more before the two campaigns can fully digest post-convention polls and adjust their strategies for the fall.

Based on the volume of campaign appearances to date and the hundreds of millions of dollars spent already on television advertising, the election appears likely to be decided in a small number of battleground states. The list includes New Hampshire, Virginia, Ohio, Colorado, Nevada and Iowa, as well as Florida and North Carolina, the states where first Republicans and then Democrats held their conventions. Those states hold 100 electoral votes among them, out of 270 needed to win the White House.

Money has become an ever-present concern for the Democrats, an irony given the overwhelming advantage Obama held over John McCain in the 2008 campaign.

This time, Romney is outpacing him, and independent groups seeking the Republican's election are pouring tens of millions of dollars into television advertising, far exceeding what Obama's supporters can afford.

Comments

Claire Williams 2 years ago

It was a good speech. He didn't spend too much time attacking Romney, leaving that job to Biden and Bill the night before. What he did do is talk about what he wants to do the next four years, which is what America needed to hear from him.

Anybody else catch the Langston Hughes reference in the speech?

Also, LJW-- there's a duplicate paragraph in the article text, about the hall being filled to capacity.

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pizzapete 2 years ago

No, what was the Hughes reference?

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Claire Williams 2 years ago

The main tinges of Hughes I noticed were from Freedom's Plow.

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Astrunk 2 years ago

Thanks for the help Claire. We'll get that fixed.

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Claire Williams 2 years ago

By the way, if anyone is interested, I did an in-depth look at the state of Lawrence's economics from 2009 to 2012 on my LJW blog.

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cowboy 2 years ago

The depth of understanding the issues and developing strategies addressing our country's challenges displayed by the DNC speakers has been impressive. Contrasted against the neanderthal RNC the choice is clear. If you are a thinking being and have the intellectual curiosity to seek out information on the issues and turn on your BS meter to filter out the lies you are immediately struck with the total ineptness of the RNC platform , approach , and nominees.

Home Run all the way

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Claire Williams 2 years ago

Wow, I wouldn't expect YOU of all people to call out others for name-calling, based on your posting history. Pot, meet kettle.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years ago

I agree, Sage-- that was a true low blow to zombies.

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Liberty275 2 years ago

"the choice is clear"

Yeah, we can choose between an inept liar or a cult member. Yay us.

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shadowlady 2 years ago

If you believe in BO then you'll believe you can buy ocean front property in Arizona. Do I believe Romney?? I haven't made up my mind yet.

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shadowlady 2 years ago

There is the old adage "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

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beatrice 2 years ago

shadow, might I point out that when Mitt Romney was governor he was pro-choice and believed the free market response to health care was mandated insurance. He supported legislation and signed into law the ban on assault weapons and now he is against any gun legislation. He also believed in man's influence on climate control, although now he claims opposite. There are many other instances. Here is a source using actual quotes from the former governor: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/mitt-romneys-biggest-flip-flops-20120801

Not trying to say President Obama is believable in everything he does, but Romney has proven to flip his opinions for political expediancy on many, many occassions.

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fiddleback 2 years ago

Nice trolling. I hope your emotional/mental stability survives when R/R bombs. Truly the lamest dark horses in recent memory.

Is that Jon Huntsman or Christopher Guest?

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fiddleback 2 years ago

If you want to talk about stock nonsense, look at petty little memes like "Vacationer-in-Chief." Is that how you get your kicks? I mean I hate golf too, but come on.

And sure it doesn't get any redder than Kansas, but the R/R ticket's prospects are looking worse; even conservative polls have them behind in Ohio. It's such an eerie resemblance to 2004, you should just take some deep breaths and prepare for 2 terms with your BFF...
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/sept-4-the-simple-case-for-why-obama-is-the-favorite/

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voevoda 2 years ago

"It will require common effort, shared responsibility and the kind of bold persistent experimentation." "The truth is it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over a decade." These statements don't sound like nonsense to me. They probably don't sound like nonsense to most Republicans.
So, what do you have to counter what the President said, except ridiculing his name? Most of us gave up that way of trying to win an argument back in third grade.

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imastinker 2 years ago

He is right, except for the bold persistent experimentation part. I'm not quite sure what that means. Now, if his record showed he believed in any of those things he might be a person I could vote for. Instead, he uses divisive tactics to split the country and divide us.

He has shown he has no interest in cutting spending, and only raising taxes on a few of us to help pay for it. That's not shared responsibility or common effort. The fact that some of you libs can't see this frightens me.

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jafs 2 years ago

It means, a la Krugman, that we keep trying things until we find what works.

This country has been divided for a long time - I never understand why people want to blame Obama for that.

Actually, I believe he's made some pretty significant cuts in spending already, near the $1 trillion amount.

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fiddleback 2 years ago

anticommunist already called dibs on being the thread's troll.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years ago

Still confused about the meaning of that word, I see-- go ask Dougie-- he can 'splain it to you.

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Mixolydian 2 years ago

GM killed Osama Bin Laden! Booyah. USA USA USA

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Cait McKnelly 2 years ago

Better than screaming USA USA over and over again to drown out a Hispanic speaker. Bin Laden is dead. GM lives. Despite Republican obstructionism. Long live America.

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Windemere 2 years ago

Left just hates corporate welfare, except when they don't. That is, when it's done by their side.

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headdoctor 2 years ago

I see your internet monitor has left for the day again.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years ago

My two favorite quotes of the night:
"A future... where we promote the private sector, not the privileged sector." Joe Biden
“Have a surplus? Try a tax cut. Deficit too high? Try another,” the president said. “Feel a cold coming on? Take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations, and call us in the morning!” - President Obama
My favorite part of the whole convention was the music. And not a single musician or band sent a cease and desist letter.

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Flap Doodle 2 years ago

Wonder what that speech would have sounded like in a mostly empty Bank of America Stadium?

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Paul Wilson 2 years ago

Liberal: (noun) One who believes in "compassion" with everyone else's money.

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Liberty275 2 years ago

GM lives at 2/3rds the price Americans paid to bail out the UAW and bin Laden should have been taken alive.

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jesse499 2 years ago

Yes GM lives thinks to alot of tax dollars spend to make up for bad management.But alot of small auto shops,body shops,parts houses, so on went belly up thanks to cash for clunkers. SRS and others buy cars for the people who need them did Washington think of them no. They look for $2000 cars that are good transportion for people to get to work and so on but alot of those got junked that still could have been used for them did Washington think of that no.So way to go they saved GM from bad Management so they could get their big bucks donations at election time but as aways the little guys took it in the end.Go bump your chest about that they save a bunch of high rollers to get their bonuses for running GM into the ground.

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Liberty275 2 years ago

It's a perfect fit for America as it sells generic cars. I'd rather push a chevy than drive a ford.

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jesse499 2 years ago

Generic cars like Toyota,Honda,Kia,so on that you can't tell apart with out a program.Or Bmw,Valvo,Saab,and so on that all look a like and say look at me aren't you impressed. No. Just tells me you've got no right to whine about jobs unemployment,and the economy all the while your sending your money to other countrys think about it how are you going to have jobs here if you buy everything from somewhere else.

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jesse499 2 years ago

Take the blame it's not all government if you want jobs here make a point to buy products are ask for products made here if you go to wally world and buy all there stuff from China yes there cheap in more ways then one but what's that doing to help us have jobs here tell we stand up and say we want our jobs back from over there it's not going to happen.

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bad_dog 2 years ago

jesse, I don't know what to tell you if you can't discern the difference between a Toyota, Honda, Kia, etc., or if you're irritated by someone driving a luxury car. Isn't that jealousy of wealth thing sort of anti-conservative?

FWIW, IMHO there really isn't that much difference in appearance between a Ford Fusion, Chevy Malibu, Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. The final product quality between manufacturers on delivery is now much closer than it was as well. Time will tell with respect to long-term quality and durability.

While the majority of profits for non-American manufacturers certainly goes to companies that are domiciled offshore, many models are either completely manufactured here or were composed of sub assemblies manufactured elsewhere and assembled right here in the good old U.S. Regardless of the point of origin, that creates jobs for U.S. citizens that manufacture/assemble and sell the products. As such, they pay taxes and feed/house their families from those wages. I suspect the foreign manufacturers would sell just as many cars to U.S. consumers regardless where they were manufactured, but at least this way there is some benefit to U.S. workers and citizens.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465005,00.html

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fiddleback 2 years ago

Yes, much better if you don't read about how those decisions re: Osama were made. And please keep saying commie; you sound just like Gen. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove.

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Flap Doodle 2 years ago

More than 2/3 of likely voters sampled in a recent poll believe the country is heading in the wrong direction. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track

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overthemoon 2 years ago

And what they mean is its turning into a Theocratic Fascist State, thanks to the right wing nuts. Do NOT assume you know that they are referring to Obama's policies. Its Congress that has a 13% approval rating.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years ago

"I give thanks to the Navy Seals for killing bin Laden, not Obama."

But if the mission had failed, and many SEALS had been killed, or captured and put into Pakistani prisons, you'd be blaming it 100% on Obama.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years ago

Sorry, anti, but I'm not a mirror image of the simplistic ideologue and extreme partisan that you are. My opinion is that they should have captured Bin Laden and put him on trial.

Regardless, this was an extremely risky mission, and Obama was the one who made the final call as to whether to go forward with it. So if you like the result, you really have no choice but to give credit where credit is due.

But at least you're consistent in your hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

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MarcoPogo 2 years ago

" I heard Hillary told him we are giving the greenlight anyway over B.O.'s protest"

I think it's awesome that you have access to the Bat Phone! You're my E.F. Hutton! The haters can go kick rocks.

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bad_dog 2 years ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years ago

Anti and Sage must not be hunt-and-peck typists, given how blinded they must be by all the hysterical froth they produce. (But their keyboard budget must be huge.)

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1southernjayhawk 2 years ago

How would you know...are you a mind reader in addition to your all knowing blowhardiness??

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Richard Heckler 2 years ago

RE-election in doubt ....... says who. Bain and Romney are being investigated for tax evasion. Ryan has been called a liar by several circles.

Obama promised:

Social Security would not be going to Wall Street Medicare would not be going to the insurance industry His leadership will bring a surplus budget of about $4 trillion More cleaner energy = jobs Will get on with federal highway infrastructure rehab =jobs

Benefits of a 20 Percent by 2020 National Renewable Electricity Standard

Job Creation - 355,000 new jobs—nearly twice as many as generating electricity from fossil fuels

Economic Development - $72.6 billion in new capital investment, $16.2 billion in income to farmers, ranchers, and rural landowners, and $5.0 billion in new local tax revenues

Consumer Savings - $49 billion in lower electricity and natural gas bills

Healthier Environment - Reductions of global warming pollution equal to taking nearly 71 million cars off the road, plus less haze, smog, acid rain, mercury contamination, and water use

Union of Concerned Scientist

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Paul Wilson 2 years ago

Yup...when you can't complete your 2008 promises.....make more.

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tbaker 2 years ago

Spambot tin-foil hat alert

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ThePilgrim 2 years ago

"His re-election in doubt..."

I'm not an Obama supporter, but I have no doubts about his re-election. I don't hold out much hope for Romney. Obama has the ethnic vote locked in, as well as many unions. My daughter is not going to vote because she doesn't care(!). Many of my Christian friends won't vote for Romney, and some of their anti-Mormon religious litmus test rhetoric has become deafening lately, which I find puzzling.

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headdoctor 2 years ago

It is hard to take Romney serious since it looks more like Ryan is running for the office with Romney just being some sort of figure head. We have already been down that road with the Bush/Cheney administration.

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beatrice 2 years ago

So what are you saying, that people shouldn't accept Ryan's invitation to go hunting?

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CLARKKENT 2 years ago

While I will admit that Obama is not the best choice, he is the best choice from which we get to chose. Please, when you do vote, just remember which party got us to where we are.

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Paul Wilson 2 years ago

Yes please remember. Trillions of added dollars to the debt and high unemployment. I thought Obama's stimulus was supposed to create jobs?

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overthemoon 2 years ago

It did create jobs. so would have the American Jobs Act, had the GOP had the intelligence to pass it. Don't EVEN try to give those traitors a pass for their 'kill Obama" strategy.

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headdoctor 2 years ago

What I am having trouble with is where do the Republicans think they are heading. They have spent millions on this campaign. Yet it seems like they are doing everything possible to avoid a sound victory. They have stomped all over several minority groups, irritated a bunch of the middle and lower class, distanced themselves from some church groups, and are feeding on there own. If I didn't know better I would swear they are planning on beating Obama by trying to create a civil uprising. I suppose the best answer is they are counting on voters to be lazy and stupid. Either way not a very sound plan for winning an election.

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headdoctor 2 years ago

It isn't just their candidate. It is their alleged platform as well. The Republicans have always been against Socialism mostly because of wealth redistribution and loss of rights. Their platform is riddled with Socialism, redistribution of wealth and they not only want to maintain/increase some rights removal but actually redistribute the power over those rights. You may find it shocking but I have a real serious problem with that whole idea.

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Lane Signal 2 years ago

I'm not going to defend Romney, he's an awful excuse for a leader, but that seems more like 4th or 5th down the list of the Republican's problems.

  1. Republicans are completely beholden to the interests and the agenda of the wealthy and corporate factions. This not be so terrible if these groups took a longer view of what is good for the economy, but they are only interested in a selfish, short term position.
  2. The Republican platform is officially and aggressively anti gay, anti women's rights and completely backwards looking on most social issues.
  3. Republicans are openly admitting their efforts to change voting rules in many states are designed to suppress voter turnout in demographics less likely to support their candidates. They are openly proud of efforts to disenfranchise voters.
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Windemere 2 years ago

Definitely would prefer someone with certain of Paul's ideas and a big dose of his honesty and fiscal conservatism. Big negatives with him , but sure wish we had someone with his good qualities.

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SnakeFist 2 years ago

I agree with everything you said, but I note that "counting on the voters to be lazy or stupid" has worked well for the republicans in the past.

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Patricia Davis 2 years ago

And remember, it was the no weapons of mass destruction OOPS! war created by Cheney and supported by Bush that got us in this mess. That and four years of constant obstruction by the republicans just so they could prove Obama did nothing. And behind the scenes rethugs doing everything they could to rig the election with the return of Jim Crow laws and other ways of voter suppression. At this rate, we need other countries to come oversee our elections.

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headdoctor 2 years ago

That may be true SnakeFist but this is a little different since the Republicans are going way out of their way to make people mad. A very large portion of the minority/middle and lower class along with the church groups are female voters which haven proven they will vote. Many of those women are not going to just set back and let the Republicans run over them. The Republicans are about two months away from finding out that Hell hath no fury like the wrath of a women's scorn.

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Kathy Getto 2 years ago

You got that right, doc!!

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SnakeFist 2 years ago

I completely agree with you. But, still, there were an awful lot of women, blacks, and hispanics at the republican convention. I don't know how to explain it other than that some people are too lazy or stupid to look out for their own interests.

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Richard Heckler 2 years ago

What Makes Buying and Owning A Home or Small Business Risky Business When Republicans Are In Office?

This ENTITLEMENT - Bailing out The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist aka home loan scandal sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many $$ trillions (Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion). Plus millions of jobs lost, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

This ENTITLEMENT Bailing out the Bush/Cheney Home Loan Wall Street Bank Fraud cost consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs lost, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Exactly like the Reagan/Bush home loan scam. Déjà vu can we say. Yep seems to be a pattern. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

This ENTITLEMENT - Bush/Cheney implied many financial institutions were at risk instead of only 3? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to American citizens. Where did this money go? Why were some banks forced to take bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

The above rips property values in the true spirit of grand larceny. With multi millions out of jobs makes it difficult for small business owners.

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jesse499 2 years ago

I didn't like Bush/Cheney but I have news the home loan scandel started way before them and Obama and ACORN were right in the middle of it along with Clinton and others.

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Richard Heckler 2 years ago

The Romney's described struggling in college with their only option being was to sell some stocks.

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poolside 2 years ago

I am surprised anyone thinks that Osama Bin Laden should have been taken alive. I do think going after him was healing for our country. I do not think hauling him in for a war crimes tribunal even remotely appropriate. He had admitted his action and was open about the prospect of doing more. He was dangerous and needed to be taken out and taken out quickly. This is exactly why Bush lost my Republican vote-wishy washy against the enemy is no way to be a Commander in Chief.

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jhawkinsf 2 years ago

Even if he tried to surrender, they would have killed him. Those troops had their orders and they followed them precisely.

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deec 2 years ago

I agree assassination is wrong, but it's nothing new. The country was founded on genocide, and there are numerous examples in the last century of the US assassination of foreign leaders.

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jhawkinsf 2 years ago

Genocide is wrong. Assassinations of foreign leaders is wrong. Mentioning them in the same breath with the killing of Osama is wrong.

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deec 2 years ago

Not really. Either we believe in the rule of law and a system of justice that applies equally to everyone, or we don't.

My point was we have no moral high ground when it comes to politically expedient killing, and we should stop pretending we do.

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jhawkinsf 2 years ago

There is a gap between theory and real world. Every president confronts that gap the first day they take office.

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Flap Doodle 2 years ago

The current regime's recovery is a disaster for Americans. "Employment growth remained weak in August, with just 96,000 new positions created but the unemployment rate dropped to 8.1 percent, according to a report that raises the possibility of more Federal Reserve easing. The decline in the jobless rate, from 8.3 percent in July, came primarily because the labor force participation rate fell to 63.5 percent, its worst level in more than 30 years. The civilian labor force contracted by 368,000..." http://www.cnbc.com/id/48938568

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cowboy 2 years ago

The opposition had its day in the sun in Tampa , and showed the country nothing. Lack of any intelligible plan , lack of any sound arithmetic , and the remarkable ability to insult multiple groups of voters. No discussion of the war that our treasured armed forces are prosecuting and virtually no foreign policy approach other than to pick a couple fights. The election is cast it will be a battle of BS for the next few months. I hope Obama prevails. On to the debates. Barack will make mitt cry !

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Trumbull 2 years ago

The R's have a fixation with the Bush tax cuts, and that keeping them in place will be the remedy for all our problems. It will take more than this. I believe our economy is re-shaping itself and has been for several decades. Frankly, I'd like to see more mfg come back. I like renewable energy....many Republicans knock this.

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Trumbull 2 years ago

Sage it is nice to semi-agree with you, Liberal that I am ): I just think we will not do that until we run out of oil, which will be atleat 100 years (we can leave peak oil debate for another time). Renewable energy technology can be something not only good for the environment, but also reviatalize our economy. Tax breaks and private enterprise will not be enough. It is more like a NASA or Interstate Hwy initiative that will combine government and private resources.

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bad_dog 2 years ago

"Nothing will get your airliner off the ground but fuel oil right now."

Balsa wood fuselage tail & wings. Big rubber bands, plastic propeller & wheels.

Voila! Renewable energy got my "airliner" off the ground. Come on Sage, think out of the box ;-)

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Carol Bowen 2 years ago

The R's have been indoctrinating the need for "no new taxes" for decades. They literally created an issue where there was none. In some of those campaign years, there were no new taxes.

Then, because of political pressur, government entities at all levels did cut back. The city did cut taxes instead of planning ahead on infrastructure needs. Now, we have too many demands - police facility, fire, roads, sewage plant, . . . Nothing glamorous.

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Pastor_Bedtime 2 years ago

A far better candidate than the guy lacks the cajones to tell you just how rich he is, and just how much he's stashed offshore to keep shielded from scrutiny and taxation.

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Jayhawk1958 2 years ago

What is the Republican plan for anything besides guns, gays, and God?

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Pastor_Bedtime 2 years ago

You forgot about making personal decisions regarding fertility and reproduction for all those women who need control.

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jesse499 2 years ago

What is the Democrats plan for anything besides stand way back and TOSS TAX PAYER MONEY AT IT big handfuls of course.

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Pastor_Bedtime 2 years ago

Never worshipped him.... at least like how I worshipped Reagan. But lemmings can occupy both sides of the aisle.... just ask all those Kobach/Brownbackistanis who must toe the line to the Republican agenda or face the wrath of their party's loyalty oath.

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Steve Miller 2 years ago

Well, i don't know about the rest of you woprkin people, but i don't think this country can stand another 4 years of him. My pocket book can't. I'm down to chicken necks and skim milk..

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Pastor_Bedtime 2 years ago

Blame your obstructionist congress.

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jesse499 2 years ago

Obama had the Congress for two years what was the problem then? As long as congress gets their perks,pay,and unreal retirements their not going to do anything.

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tbaker 2 years ago

Thank God we had an obstructionist congress to at least slow the pace of the madness.

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Dispersant 2 years ago

I thought people shouldn't rely on the government for their problems? Why don't you pull yourself up by your bootstraps? Start a business! Borrow some money from your parents!

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Flap Doodle 2 years ago

The AP is getting a clue. Their piece on the speech last night began with: "By David Espo and Robert Furlow The Associated Press CHARLOTTE - His re-election in doubt, President Obama..." http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/09/07/1202517?sac=fo.local The preference cascade is getting stronger every day.

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patkindle 2 years ago

Give the dems credit, obama is the man That will win the election. ..... It is a shame the smarter republicans Are unable to cough up ANY candidate of worth To run against obama........ At least some one the gays, blacks Hispanics, women and welfare rats would want to vote for....... Three times as many people watched the football game Last nite vs the DNC, so that tells you something....... Nice photo, is obama applauding the fine job He has done in the first 4 years, or perhaps

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bad_dog 2 years ago

Umm, the football game was Wednesday evening, not last night. Nevertheless, I doubt the ratings differential would have been much different if the game had been played last week during the RNC. You had the defending Super Bowl champions playing at home in the largest viewing audience in the U.S. versus "America's Team"; their primary conference foe.

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Bud Stagg 2 years ago

Typical Obama, over promise-under deliver. In business if you want to be re-hired you do it the other way around and knock people's socks off with performance. I'll take my chances with another newcomer rather than 4 more years of lack of leadership. This president knows what he wants, but can't get there.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years ago

And I bet you were all in when Republicans in Congress made it their one and only agenda to make sure that Obama "under-delivered," no matter the cost to the American people.

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jesse499 2 years ago

I repeat what was the problem the first two years? Amazing how blame it on someone else grows when knowone is doing anything but cashing big checks.If you think the American people is what their thinking about Dems or Reps I have a bridge I like to talk to you about. Their thinking about how to fill their pocket with our tax money and thats pretty much it.

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jafs 2 years ago

The D had a filibuster proof majority for a couple of months here and a couple of months there during their first 2 years.

That means that if the R filibuster, or just threaten to do so, they can obstruct any legislation the D propose, and that happened quite a bit.

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Dispersant 2 years ago

Amazing how people forget, huh Jafs? Good work by the Repubs I must say, politically at least. They knew this would happen. That was the plan all along. Obstruct President Obama then and be able to say that he's done nothing now.

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headdoctor 2 years ago

There is at least another 8 or 10 that should be gone from here as fast as that one.

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beatrice 2 years ago

It was a very good speech, although not as great as Bill Clinton's the night before. I believe it will give Obama a small bump in the immediate polls that was missing following Romney's speech. Romney's ignoring our military and the war we are still fighting and not paying for in Afghanistan is a huge blunder on his part that he will have difficulty overcoming.

Unless Obama totally flubs a debate, and I don't see that happening, he will win re-election. The electoral numbers are in his favor.

Hopefully, if he wins, Obama and Congress will work together for the good of the nation for a change rather than continuing to play party politics. They need to work together to bring down the deficit, and that isn't going to happen just by making cuts to benefits given to poor people. I would hope the same if Romney should happen to win and would drop from the Democratic party if the Dems made it their primary goal to make Romney a one-term president rather than trying to work with him to make the country stronger. The Republicans did this during Obama's first term to the detriment of the nation. We can't continue down this path of party over country.

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beatrice 2 years ago

Actually, he mocked more tax cuts to the wealthy as a means to lower the deficit.

Your call to "end the division and gridlock" rings as hollow as your assessment of Obama's speech. Nothing but party politics as usual from a frustrated Republican. I fear for the mental health of some Republicans should Obama win re-election, which he is most likely to do. Republicans barely like Romney and America at large is likely to like him even less.

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beatrice 2 years ago

More than happy to.

Will you and your conservative friends still be around here by then? Under what names?

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headdoctor 2 years ago

Yup Agnostic. Light moderating may get more clicks but sure knocks down the forum quality. I have to wonder how many good posters and thus clicks are lost from being bullied from the site or those that just don't want to put up with the crap.

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bad_dog 2 years ago

Sorry, but Romo's latest rating was 129.5 folowing his performance versus the Giants last Wednesday.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1324622-dallas-cowboys-return-of-the-jedi-romo-defeats-the-empire-with-five-key-plays

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tbaker 2 years ago

There are more people out of work today than when Mr. Obama took office. When you add-in the one's who have just given up looking for a job altogether, then that number is much worse.

The man said if he hadn't turned things aorund in his first 4 years he would be a one-term President.

He should be held to his word.

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beatrice 2 years ago

More jobs added than the previous administration, 29 months of consecutive job growth, a Depression avoided, a plan to get virtually all Americans coverage for health care, a dead Osama bin Laden, the end of the war in Iraq, an auto industry kept from closing ...

Just think, if the Republicans hadn't blocked his plans to end the "temporary" Bush tax cuts, some of that deficit would be gone.

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tbaker 2 years ago

More jobs added? Come on B, it doesn't even keep up with population growth.

More Americans are unemployed today than when Mr. Obama took office.

Depression avoided? How about recession extended and made worse?

Healthcare costs more and fewer people have it today than did when they passed ObamaCare.

The auto industry wouldn't have closed. It would have gone bankrupt and been reorganized. All he did was waste more money and delay that end.

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Armstrong 2 years ago

Nice contrast to 2008. '08 - Barry was going to fix all our problems. '12 Barry - WE are going to fix our problems. Still no specifics but we have'nt had those for the last 4 years, or a budget. And lastly, no yourworstnightmare - still no Romney tax returns

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Armstrong 2 years ago

Nice contrast to 2008. '08 - Barry was going to fix all our problems. '12 Barry - WE are going to fix our problems. Still no specifics but we have'nt had those for the last 4 years, or a budget. And lastly, no yourworstnightmare - still no Romney tax returns

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beatrice 2 years ago

Hey, did any of the conservatives notice Obama talked about the great sacrifices made by our troops?

Why didn't Romney? Does it bother any of you conservatives that your man Romney completely failed to mention our troops even though we are still at war? Just asking.

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Flap Doodle 2 years ago

Did any of the disappointed progressives notice that the Mope didn't address the problems of his criminal relatives living illegally in America?

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gbulldog 2 years ago

Obama saved GM - Why? Could it be about powerful union pensions? Nice piece of "cake" for the Unions!!!! How about the GM dealers, and suppliers forced to close. Did you ever what happended to those that lost the jobs and their pensions. Anyhow, how long is your car payment? Used to be 3 years or less. How about those who lost cars after they participated in the "clunker" program because they were unable to make car pays. Democrats had control but did little to help the "poor" and working class. Why did they not force credit card interest rates down. Maybe that is the reason Democrats met in Charlotte? No hope for the "poor" and middle class, unless we can work and save. And then hope to avoid paying taxes on our investments! For all Obama supporter, hope you get a nice piece of cake and not Soylent Green. For I fear that is what the rest of us will get. Only 10 years away!

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yourworstnightmare 2 years ago

Good, but not great, speech by Obama.

The choice between Obama and Romney is very clear.

Why won't Romney release his tax returns? What is he afraid of the American people seeing? We already know he is a rich guy who pays a lower tax rate than most Americans. What else could there be?

Romney has a serious transparency problem. Can he be trusted?

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Armstrong 2 years ago

Dude, your tax return rant is beyond comical. 2 weeeks straight now ???

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tbaker 2 years ago

Why won't Obama release his college records?

I've told you why he wants to see Romney's tax returns - so he can show the democrat base what one looks like!

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tbaker 2 years ago

Clint Eastwood’s empty chair could have given a better speech

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Flap Doodle 2 years ago

In news from the real world: "..The key indicator of our employment health, in all the statistics, is what the government calls U-6. This is the number who have applied for work in the past six months and includes people who are involuntary part-time workers—government-speak for those individuals whose jobs have been cut back to two or three days a week. They are working part-time only because they've been unable to find full-time work. This involuntary army of what's called "underutilized labor" has been hovering for months at about 15% of the workforce. Include the eight million who have simply given up looking, and the real unemployment rate is closer to 19%. In short, the president's ill-designed stimulus program was a failure. For all our other national concerns, and the red herrings that typically swim in electoral waters, American voters refuse to be distracted from the No. 1 issue: the economy. And even many of those who have jobs are hurting, because annual wage increases have dropped to an average of 1.6%, the lowest in the past 30 years. Adjusting for inflation, wages are contracting...." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444273704577635681206305056.html?mod=rss_opinion_main Who wants four more years of this?

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JHOK32 2 years ago

The insatiable greed of Wall Street bankers & stockbrokers, backed by their buddy G.W.Bush who looked the other way, is exactly what caused this Great Recession. After Bush captured his second term in 2004 the banking industry tripled the amount of bad mortgages issued at subprime rates (Wikipedia sub-prime mortgage crisis) to anyone who could still breathe no matter how secure their incomes were, how much savings they had, or how much they could put down on a house. Indeed many banks lended 20% more than a property was even worth! The numerous banks that went belly up would actually advertize on the radio & TV that they would finance houses at 120% of what they were worth, no matter what your credit score was! As all this was happening while the Bush Republican de-regulators let the foxes guard their own hen houses. Then for "punishment" of bringing our entire economy to the brink of disaster Bush hands over $700 Billion dollars of OUR money to the millionaire bankers & stockbrokers who already screwed this country! Hey, it was Bush's second term, he had nothing to lose, but the bankers & stockbrokers had everything to gain & they ripped off the American people until we bled & let the middle class take all the hits of losing their jobs, their homes, their savings, health insurance, retirement funds, etc, etc. Oh yes, & let's blame this hell of a mess on Obama - do we really have Americans out there that are this stupid? God help us. They should have jailed Bush & all his buddies for the rest of their lives & thrown the key away after what they did to this country. Bush did do one good thing, he took care of Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction" all for the small bill to the American taxpayers for the tidy sum of over a $Trillion dollars ...... that was a "Mission Accomplished" alright! - not to mention the thousands of dead & maimed brave men & women of our military. Yes, by all means, let's put Romney in there so he can lead us right back down that path again, only one more trip like that & we can kiss this country goodbye. Better take advantage of bearing arms now boys because when the economy goes off the cliff for good the next time you'll need those arms when the grocery store shelves are bare & there is no food, water, gas, or utilities.

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