Former President Bill Clinton waves after addressing the Democratic National Convention as President Barack Obama greets in Charlotte, N.C., on Wednesday.
Charlotte, N.C. — In an impassioned speech that rocked the Democratic National Convention, former President Bill Clinton proclaimed Wednesday night, “I know we’re coming back” from the worst economic mess in generations and appealed to hard-pressed Americans to stick with Barack Obama for a second term in the White House.
Obama strode onstage as Clinton concluded his speech. The 42nd president bowed, and was pulled into an embrace by the 44th as thousands of delegates jammed into the convention hall roared their approval.
Clinton, conceding that many struggling in a slow-recovery economy don’t yet feel improvement, said circumstances are indeed getting better, “and if you’ll renew the president’s contract you will feel it.”
To more cheers, he said of Obama, “I want to nominate a man who is cool on the outside but who burns for America on the inside.”
Not long afterward, the delegates formally awarded Obama their nomination to a second term in a post-midnight roll call of the states.
Clinton spoke as Obama’s high command worked to control the political fallout from an embarrassing retreat on the party platform, just two months from Election Day in the tight race with Republican challenger Mitt Romney.
Under criticism from Romney, the Obama camp abruptly rewrote the day-old document to insert a reference to God and to declare that Jerusalem “is and will remain the capital of Israel.” Some delegates objected loudly, but Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, presiding in the largely-empty hall, ruled them outvoted. White House aides said Obama had personally ordered the changes, but they did not disclose whether he had approved the earlier version.
The convention concludes Thursday with Obama’s acceptance speech before a prime- time national TV audience. Aides announced he would speak in the convention hall rather than a nearby 74,000-seat football stadium as originally planned. They cited weather concerns as the reason for the switch in a city that has been hit by heavy rains in recent days.
Romney, nominated at his own convention last week, spent his second straight day in Vermont preparing for next month’s debates with Obama.
Clinton’s speech was deemed so important by Obama’s campaign aides that they delayed the president’s formal nomination to a second term until it was over. The familiar roll call of the states began well after television prime time in the eastern part of the country, and the hall was emptying out rapidly as it dragged on past midnight.
Obama’s campaign hoped the former president would prove especially persuasive in an era of sluggish economic growth and 8.3 percent unemployment. Clinton is exceptionally popular 12 years after he left office, particularly among white men, a group among whom Obama polls poorly.
The speech was vintage Clinton, overlong for sure, insults delivered with a folksy grin, references to his own time in office and his wife Hillary, all designed to improve Obama’s shaky re-election prospects.
The convention hall rocked with delegates’ applause and cheers the former president strode onstage to sounds of “Don’t Stop Thinking About Tomorrow,” his 1992 campaign theme song.
He sought to rebut every major criticism Republicans leveled against the president at their own convention last week in Tampa, and said that in fact, since 1961, far more jobs have been created under Democratic presidents than when Republicans sat in the White House, by a margin of 42 million to 24 million.
Clinton accused Republicans of proposing “the same old policies that got us into trouble in the first place” and led to a near financial meltdown. Those, he said, include efforts to provide “tax cuts for higher-income Americans, more money for defense than the Pentagon wants and ... deep cuts on programs that help the middle class and poor children.”
“As another president once said, ‘There they go again,’” he said, quoting Ronald Reagan, who often uttered the remark as a rebuke to Democrats.
There was another reference to Reagan, whom Democrats routinely accused of advocating “trickle down economics” that favored the rich.
“ We simply cannot afford to turn the reins of government over to someone who will double down on trickle-down,” Clinton said.
He shared prime time with Elizabeth Warren, the Democratic candidate for a Republican-held Senate seat in Romney’s Massachusetts. For many years “our middle class has been chipped, squeezed and hammered,” she said.
In a tight race for the White House and with control of the Senate at stake, Democrats signaled unmistakable concern about the growing financial disadvantage they confront. Officials said Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who was Obama’s first White House chief of staff, was resigning as national co-chair of the president’s campaign to help raise money for a super PAC that supports the his re-election.
Unlike candidates, outside groups can solicit donations of unlimited size from donors. At the same time, federal law bars coordination with the campaigns.
Inside the hall, a parade of speakers praised Obama and criticized the Republicans, sometimes harshly.
Sandra Fluke, a law student whom congressional Republicans would not let testify at a hearing on contraceptives, said if Republicans win in the fall, women will wake up to “an America in which access to birth control is controlled by people who will never use it, in which politicians redefine rape.”
Clinton’s speech marked the seventh consecutive convention he has spoken to party delegates, and the latest twist in a relationship with Obama that has veered from frosty to friendly. The two men clashed in 2008, when Obama outran Hillary Rodham Clinton’s wife for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Clinton, then a New York senator, now Obama’s Secretary of State, was in East Timor as the party met half a world away. She made a cameo appearance on the huge screens inside the Time Warner Cable Arena, though, turning up in a video that celebrated the 12 Democratic women senators currently in office.
Republicans have suddenly discovered a lot to like about Clinton — a man they impeached in late 1998 when they ran the House and he sat in the Oval Office.
Ryan made no mention of those unpleasantries when he told a campaign audience in Iowa, “Under President Clinton we got welfare reform. President Obama is rolling back welfare reform.
“President Clinton worked with Republicans in Congress to have a budget agreement to cut spending. President Obama, a gusher of new spending.”
Independent fact checkers have repeatedly debunked the claim about Obama’s welfare proposals. Nor did the Wisconsin lawmaker mention that under a balanced budget compromise with Clinton to rein in federal spending, Republicans agreed to create a new benefit program that provides health care for lower-income children and others ineligible for Medicaid.
The changes in the platform came after the Republicans criticized an earlier decision to strip out a reference to God.
Romney said that “suggests a party that is increasingly out of touch with the mainstream of the American people. ... I think this party is veering further and further away into an extreme wing that Americans don’t recognize.”
Romney had declared in a summertime trip there that Jerusalem was the country’s capital. U.S. policy for years has held that the city’s status is a matter for negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis, and Democrats said at the time he was pandering to Jewish voters in the United States.
The switch puts the platform in line with what advisers say is the president’s personal view, if not the policy of his administration. “Jerusalem is and will remain the capital of Israel,” it says. “The parties have agreed that Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations. It should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths.”
Comments
Claire Williams 8 months, 2 weeks ago
It was a great speech, even if it did go over the allotted time. President Clinton has always been good at laying out numbers and facts to the public in an easy to follow manner, without being condescending.
The other great thing about his speeches is that he is so plain spoken and straight forward, detractors will have a very hard time finding things about his speech to criticize.
Excellent job, Bubba.
Larrytown 8 months, 2 weeks ago
As fine of a speech as you will ever hear! Broke down "all" the issues and what Obama has accomplished during his time. For those looking to educate yourselves on the issues....you must watch.
With that being said, I believe this speech will propel Obama to a 2nd term. It was a game changer.
1southernjayhawk 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh god, I hope not. Isn't it just amazing how a polital hack like Clinton can praise Obama so much now when four years ago he couldn't say enough to tear Obama down?
Larrytown 8 months, 2 weeks ago
A political hack? Interesting....
Most political experts say he is the most powerful political figure in the US right now.
Gotalife 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Sage I would have to say that Clinton's marriage and relationship status with his wife are absolutely none of your business.
Gotalife 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Sage, just like the rest of the Republican party, you want to go back to old ways, dwell on old stories, hash up arguments that are no longer effective. We have moved on, and we will keep moving on.
Keith 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Don't bring up W though, he's been out of office for a few years.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
People laugh at all sorts of things. Especially this lame idea that Clinton somehow "caused" the 9/11 attacks.
As to his marriage, are you suggesting it's like his first wife telling everyone that his second wife is lying about his third wife?
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh, and what's this about a "megalomaniac" that "can't stay away from the public eye?"
Without referencing specifics: Is that anything like an internet troll who keeps re-registering on the same web site they've been kicked off of, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Paul R. Getto 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Click count, baby. KG is good for business.
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Well, I admire the Clintons for working past thei problems and staying together. I am glad that they ignored the advice of total strangers who knew what they should do better than they did.
Katara 8 months, 2 weeks ago
" This megalomaniac can't stay away from the public eye and always looking for affirmation, sad, why won't he just go away and consider what a shameful life he has lived?"
Hm.
ljwhirled 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Am I better off than I was 4 years ago? Lets look at the headlines: NYTimes Sept 6, 2008
FORECASTING AUTO GLOOM - ''My problem is that I don't see any end in sight to the bad news.'' - Basil E. Hargrove, Canadian Autoworkers Union.
SELL-OFFS HIT RUSSIAN MARKETS - Russia's stock market is suffering its worst correction in nearly a decade
HOPING FOR A FIX, QUICK OR NOT - "The beginning of a Treasury Department plan for the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac appears to be coalescing"
A BANK OUT OF TOUCH - Federal regulators told the Downey Financial Corporation, the $13 billion California savings and loan, to shore up its finances, reduce its assets and strengthen management.
Yep. We ALL are better off.
These headlines were the destination of the Bush policies of deregulation, war mongering, trickle down economics, and tax breaks to promote growth.
Keep up the good work Mr. President. Don't let the haters get you down.
none2 8 months, 2 weeks ago
It sounds like the global climate alarmists need to hire you.
kuhlman 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I bet he did pass a ton of regulations in the PATRIOT act and other post 9/11 security measures, but what caused the 2008 crisis was deregulation of the financial industry
MISTERTibbs 8 months, 2 weeks ago
You are correct, and the legislation that started all of this was championed by and signed into law by President Clinton.
jafs 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Clinton is partly responsible, for the partial repeal of Glass-Steagal, but hardly completely.
MISTERTibbs 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm not referring to GLB.
I am referring to Riegle-Neal which opened the US up for nationwide megabanks and the changes championed to the community re-investment act.
These, along with lowered oversight for Freddie and Fannie (which continued under GWB) led to the loose lending policies which led to our financial crisis.
I was a mortgage originator back when this legislation passed through. I left the business because I couldn't rightfully allow myself to sell a product to someone knowing full well it would cause a hardship for many of them.
I can't tell you the number of real estate agents I had pissed off when they brought someone into my office. I would work up the ratios based on the information the customers provided and let them know that according to ratios you could afford payment of X. Where I would piss off the agent was where I would add "even though the ratios say you can afford X, I would encourage you to decide how comfortable you would be in making a payment of that amount."
I know that right now, this very day as someone who is semi-retired, the ratios would tell me that I could pay a heck of a lot more for my housing costs than what I would be comfortable paying. I don't know how much this attitude would have helped with limiting the crisis caused by subpar mortgages, but I do know that any paper I wrote I would not have had a problem investing in myself (if I had the money to do so.)
jafs 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I looked up Riegle Neal - it looks like a way to allow expansion of federally chartered banks, while retaining the requirements of the CRA.
What in there removes the requirement that loans made are to be "consistent with safe and sound operations" of banks, if there is such a provision?
Your comments about acceptable loan limits vs. what's comfortable are right on - we've always tried to keep our housing costs significantly lower than the top limit, which used to be about 33%, if I remember right. It's striking that you had to counsel customers to consider that - it should be something everybody thinks about when getting a mortgage.
kuhlman 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Actually, to be more accurate, what caused the financial collapse was banks knowingly making loans to unqualified borrowers, then hiding those bad loans by bundling them with good loans and selling them to another bank, who likely re-bundled them and also sold them off to another bank, then taking out insurance against the bad loans because they knew they would eventually default and that bank would get paid while the one stuck with the hot potato took the loss. And on top of that all the bad loans being circulated among the banks were stated as being worth a lot of money, so before the whole thing crashed they cashed out their assets at top dollar that they knew weren't worth the paper they were printed on. That whole process was made a lot easier by removing financial safeguards that previously prevented this kind of activity.
ugottabekiddin 8 months, 2 weeks ago
President Clinton's speech was awesome because IT WAS ALL FACTUAL AND BASED ON THE TRUTH.
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Did you miss the bus to middle school little man. At the very least your handler and internet monitor must be slipping or going to work much earlier this week.
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Shall we stop referring to those we disagree with as uneducated? We should all learn to focus and reply to the comment we didn't like, not insult the poster.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Your "womanizing hick from Arkansas"...
1) Was elected President--twice.
2) Has had actual books published by actual book publishers... and sold by actual book retailers. None of this desktop publishing poseur stuff.
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
That would be President Barrack Obama. There, fixed it for you.
snap_pop_no_crackle 8 months, 2 weeks ago
In other DNC news: http://wizbangblog.com/2012/09/05/democrats-hastily-try-to-add-god-and-jerusalem-into-their-platform-hilarity-ensues/
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Careful, Sage, you know you walk a fine line around here.
rockchalker52 8 months, 2 weeks ago
As entertaining as Clinton was, The Fox News talking heads were even more so as they stuttered & sputtered their reactions. They were comical to listen to.
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I am one of those silly saps who enjoy Nascar. I do not believe I have ever stuttered or sputtered while doing do Those shiny objects are cars, you can google car. I enjoy watching the pit crews in action, they do an astounding job.
cait48 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Who gives a damn that he got a BJ? New Gingrich ran around on every woman he was ever married to. Electing a president based solely on piety and/or "sexual purity" is a very dangerous thing to do.
May I recommend a very cheeky little book? http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Lives-Presidents-Irreverent-Washington/dp/0312968388
jhawkinsf 8 months, 2 weeks ago
The head of the company has an inappropriate relationship with a much younger intern, who, because she has been publicly humiliated, leaves not only the company but leaves the country. Sounds more like sexual harassment than simple BJ. Now if the woman had been Sandra Day O'Connor, an equal in some other company, then it would have been a BJ. For all the good things President Clinton accomplished during his presidency, despite his wonderful speechmaking abilities, despite his pro choice stands, he behavior was that of a sexual predator in regards to his relationship with the intern.
cait48 8 months, 2 weeks ago
BS. HE didn't humiliate her. He tried to protect her. The Republicans in Congress did it through their special prosecutor in their zeal to tear him down. Ask Lewinsky. She'll tell you that herself.
Now, Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill; that was a clear cut case of sexual harassment. Didn't seem to effect Thomas, though, did it?
jhawkinsf 8 months, 2 weeks ago
When crimes happen, they happen whether or not the victim reports it, whether or not the victim feels complicit, whether or not the victim wants to pursue the matter. What happened, happened. And what happened was sexual harassment. The fact the the events only came to light when still another victim claimed that she was fired from her state job for refusing the advances of the then governor, only reinforces the notion of his serial behavior. Ms. Lewinsky is no different than millions of women who have been raped but don't report it. But the rape still happened. In this case, what happened was sexual harassment. Not "rape" as FHNC said, not "BJ" as you, Cait say.
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Thank you cait, good post.
cheeseburger 8 months, 2 weeks ago
cait - the act was one thing; looking the American people in the eye and denying it, while Commander in Chief, is something else. But I'm guessing you don't see a problem with that, either.
Gotalife 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Wow...how original. Couldn't think of anything interesting to say I guess...LOL
tuschkahouma 8 months, 2 weeks ago
the three members of the the local troll council have spoken their fiction....... so what......gotta love that tampa fiction....
jhawkinsf 8 months, 2 weeks ago
The behavior of many Republicans was deplorable, dragging that matter out for years and for purely political purposes. You'll get no argument from me on that. But a woman was claiming she was fired from her state job because she refused the advances of the then governor. A court ruled she was entitled go forward with her claim. A court ruled she was entitled to question the president. And courts always rule that citizens are entitled to the truth. I can't put a dollar figure on how much her rights are worth. But I do know that her rights needed to be defended against the governor turned president.
The Republican Party be damned as far as I'm concerned when it comes to this whole affair. And Mr. Clinton's behavior be damned as well.
northtowngrl 8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Gotalife 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Sage, are you really Brownback in disguise? ROFL
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Funny you should mention "disguise"... ;)
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 months, 2 weeks ago
At least he doesn't claim to be a democrat these days.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Re-registered trolls are no longer a violation of the OTS, donttreadonme. They're welcome to come back as many times as they like, no matter how obvious they are.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
"Stick".... wow, there's a new one. We've never heard that before... :rolleyes:
vertigo 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Interesting. Clinton's denouncers aren't attacking the substance of the speech but rather the speaker himself.
I guess that's because they can't.
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 months, 2 weeks ago
And we know that you much prefer doing the more important tasks of the bovine.
cheeseburger 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Four years ago BHO said he could do all these wonderful things to fix the country; last night, WJC said four years wasn't enough time. Who are we supposed to believe?
Too bad BHO has spent the majority of the last four years blaming Bush instead of actually doing something to right the ship.
RoeDapple 8 months, 2 weeks ago
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beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
And the people who picked Mitt Romney over Newt Gingrich are Republicans. So your point is ....?
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I knew Sage would expand his love fest the minute there was an excuse to pop off about Clinton. Does your wife know about all these internet affairs you have going on?
Pastor_Bedtime 8 months, 2 weeks ago
This is getting good. You can tell because the "true Republicans" are becoming more and more shrill by the minute with their disinformation and lies. Too bad they've excommunicated so much of their party ~ because these are votes they won't be getting back soon, on a state OR national level.
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Sorry Pastor-Bedtime. There are very few true Republicans and certainly not on this forum. Most are just wanting to stir the pot and draw attention to their stupidity while having their own hand out when they think no one is looking. What is hilarious is some of the people they are calling Libs pay more in tips than these clowns pay in taxes.
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
And, pray good sir, what is it to you what Mrs. Obama does with her own money? She goes on vacations with her mother and her daughters. Oh, my! Of course you know that as first lady she is legally obligated to have the secret service with her, and to use the official plane.
Gotalife 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Wow Sage you sound like a bitter, hateful, angry individual full of condemnation and judgement. Your way of speaking reminds me of Fred Phelps, must suck to be you :)
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
How many accounts are you running simultaneously, now? Two? Three?
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Since he is ramping up the crazy he has to get prepared with other screen names once this one gets bounced. Funny how posters like him, moderate and a few others get all cranky when they are spotted again, called out of their fibs, past statements or they feel to much personal info is being related to them. It isn't my problem that they have left an internet trail on the information super highway that you could drive a fleet of semi trucks down.
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Wow. That was a quick one post and done...or gone. It came and went so fast I can't even remember the name.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
bubba_goes_to_washington
PM me if you want the "lists" :p
somedude20 8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
LOL!
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
There simply aren't enough trees in northeast Kansas to produce all the wooden stakes needed to take care of the zombie stampede in this thread!
Yeoman2 8 months, 2 weeks ago
To quote Gilbert and Sullivan..."Hoorah, hoorah, hooray!!!!!!" Old wild Bill did a terriffic job of punching many holes in the tea bag soaked Republicans with his direct, correct, and stunning display of plain truth. His speech did a lot to expose and dispose of the Romney cadre of corporate raiders and thugs. Keep on truckin' Mr Clinton, and we can only hope enough people with clear vision heard this display of sanity.
jayhawklawrence 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I never voted for Clinton. I voted for the other guy.
Last night I was proud of him and he broke it all day perfectly for me.
They Republican Party does not make me proud.
MISTERTibbs 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Clinton tried to attribute this decline in health costs to the health care law when claiming - “For the last two years, after going up at three times the rate of inflation for a decade, for the last two years, health care costs have been under 4 percent in both years for the first time in 50 years.”
Unfortunately much of the healthcare reform act hasn't been implemented yet so it would be hard to see any savings directly attributable to it. Also, the government did a study earlier this year that national health care spending will increase at approximately 5.7% during the ten year period from 2011 through 2021.
As for the debt reduction, there appears to be some fuzzy math involved there as well. Part of the plan includes money that won't be spent waging war in Iraq and Afghanistan. If the troops are brought home, that is savings that would be seen by whoever the president is not just Obama. Same with the $1 trillion in cuts that have already been negotiated with Congress. Take away those two items and the only deficit reduction that the president has to offer would come in the form of increased taxes by letting the Bush era tax cuts for those making over $250,000/year expire. Since many (most) small businesses fall under an S corp, LLC, or partnership, the owners of those businesses must include the business income on their personal tax returns and pushes them into that category of those making over $250k. I have no problem with eliminating loopholes for billionaires, but when you want to increase taxes on mom and pop shops you don't come off as favoring the middle class.
Trumbull 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I agree, but also might add that very few small businesses have net income greater than 250k. Estimates indicate that only 3% net this much. Furthermore, the tax increase only applies to income over 250k. This is $3,000 for every $100,000. This would seemingly be a good problem to have if you are a small business.
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
You are assuming that the troops would come home under Romney. I'm not convinced he would end the war. Too much has been given by the industrial war machine to his campaign to keep things rolling. Beyond that, how much more will be spent when a President Romney sends troops to Iran?
Of course, he would pay for a new war the same way Bush did -- by cutting taxes for the rich.
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
um .... that is the point. Bush gave tax cuts that was largely aimed at the wealthy during times of war. We are still at war and Romney is talking about cutting more taxes for the wealthy.
And yes, I think before I post.
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Umm. Rob the Post Office retirement and profit, Social Security, arms sales, and borrow the rest. That is how Bush did it.
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
You owe beatrice an apology. Always comment about the subject, never the person who made it. You should have given reasons why you think she is wrong.
MISTERTibbs 8 months, 2 weeks ago
You missed the point completely, but that isn't at all surprising.
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
He hasn't missed the point. He knows he can always locate it directly underneath his hat.
hear_me 8 months, 2 weeks ago
The 80/20 rule was implemented. Individuals and businesses have been receiving refund checks.
yourworstnightmare 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Of course we are better off than we were four years ago. The economy is alive and kicking, credit is flowing again, the auto industry is thriving and private sector jobs are being created, and the stock market is at near record levels (13,000, compared to 6000-7000 or so when Obama took office.
Are we better off than four years ago? Yes.
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
That was the same comment you made when Clinton was re-elected. That was how many years ago. Not that she would want to be in the same room with you but I think you and the wife of Chuck Norris should get together and share your doom and gloom.
MISTERTibbs 8 months, 2 weeks ago
The auto industry is thriving? GM has continued to lose market share. The value of GM stock is down (I believe in the neighborhood of 10-15 points) from where it was when your tax dollars and mine purchased stock to prop it up. Chrysler was sold to an Italian company at a loss to you and I as stock holders through the government. The only US automaker that has gained market share the last four years is the one that didn't take a government bailout. Private sector jobs are being created, but in the retail industry not in manufacturing, so net pay is down. Gas prices are up. Groceries are up. College tuition (hell even the amount we pay for our "free" public education) is up. Where would it be if the other idiot had been elected four years ago? Your guess is as good as mine. As for me, my family, my neighbors and my friends, I know that we are all worse off today than we were four years ago.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
No such model as the Chevrolet Bolt. Please try to keep up. Perhaps doing a bit of homework beforehand, and offering a link or two to bolster your claims would be less embarrassing for you.
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
The Chevy Bolt by Frankie8
I did some research and here she is, Chevy Bolt.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Believe that's a Volt. Anyhow, the troll and I traded several replies, and "they" have already come in and pruned everything back. Bottom line: The internal combustion engine is slowly being phased out. Just a matter of time.
cowboy 8 months, 2 weeks ago
84 comments on this thread , 12 from sage and who knows how many more from his other personalities. There is medication for OCD , try some.
There really needs to be an ignore button moderators , or in lieu of that disappear this person.
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Zombies are invading North Korea?
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh, man , I was so hoping it would be here. I was going to get a really cool 18 wheeler with a really cool driver, and break into every high end shoe store and clothing store. I would be so stylin'.
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Kathy Getto 8 months, 2 weeks ago
What is this censorship you speak of? This is a privately owned sandbox kittycat.
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
29 months of continuous job growth suggests at least a slowly growing economy, not a stagnant economy.
Yes, the Dems put God back in their platform. Has the GOP yet recognized that we are still at war? I mean, did you notice that your ticket didn't even mention the sacrifices of our military? Stunning.
"Looks like the Muslims have taken over the Democrat party to me." That reads like nothing more than the pathetic lies of desperation. How sad that you have to blatantly lie like this. What a shame you can't support your arguments with reality or the truth. Silly. Might as well just go back to arguing that Obama was born in Kenya. Besides, aren't you the one constantly -- and I mean CONSTANTLY -- calling people religious bigots whenever the topic of the GOP's embrace of Mormonism comes up??? Now you attempt to lie by calling Dems Muslims? So, so sad.
Oh, and the Republicans were up to their eyeballs in teleprompters at their convention. Did you notice?
Yeoman2 8 months, 2 weeks ago
beatrice, I like your post and informaton. Could you please be around when we next have to vote for a governer and secretary/travler of state so we will not be saddled with hese clueless idiots we have in Topeka now??
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Hey yeo, I'll probably be on these boards at that time, but alas I will not be able to help with the races in Kansas. When I began posting here I lived in Lawrence, but have since moved to Phoenix. I like to stay in touch, much to the unhappiness of several extremists on this site.
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Yes, I did read how that part of the law went through. That isn't surprising. The Supreme Court, in blocking the rest of the bill you love so much stated, they couldn't block this part yet until it goes into practice and is proven to be enforced based on racially motivated factors. This means, every time someone of anglo heritage is pulled over and isn't asked to prove they are in the country legal, that will be used as evidence that the law is being enforced only among dark-skinned folks. It is only a matter of time -- and millions more spent in the courts -- before the whole thing is struck down.
Also, the local police do not have the authority to deport people. If the feds do not respond to requests to haul people away, the police will have to let people go. I wouldn't be celebrating too much if I were you (although at some point I guess even little "victories' need to be counted when everything else isn't going your way).
Just so you know, I have no problem with removing people from the country who are breaking laws other than just being here. The problems comes in when people are stopped and questioned just because they look like they might be in the country illegally, which was in the original 1070 law.
So will you be contributing to build the toll booth ... um ... I mean, fence? I read that they have enough to get started and build an entire quarter mile of fence. That will show them not to mess with Amerika!
Paul R. Getto 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Allah and Yahw&h are one in the same, god of Abraham.
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Okay. Why would I hesitate to tell anyone the truth? 29 months of continuous job growth.
Shall you be telling those working for the auto industry today that your candidate wouldn't have supported them?
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
It is interesting how many here can only harp on Clinton's cheating ways when he was president rather than discussing the merits of his speech, yet they are the same people who proudly voted for the cheater John McCain in the last election and supported the cheater Newt Gingrich and / or Herman Cain this year. Fortunately, we have a choice between two family men.
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Strong capitalist? Is that why Rick Perry recognized Romney as nothing more than a "vulture capitalist"?
Closet socialist? Is that the same imaginary closet where the GOP keeps the chair for imaginary Obama? Please explain how making sure insurance companies get millions of more clients makes him a "socialist." It is, after all, what Romney called the free-market response to healthcare needs. So how is it socialist?
Don't worry ... I know. You are talking about Imaginary Obama again.
Keith 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I would like to know why you keep coming back after being banned.
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Glad to know you admit to being a returned user.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Well, we are getting a good lesson on megalomaniacal trolls: their habits, their compulsions, their delusions.
Kathy Getto 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Try to keep up.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Nice try.
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Not as SageonPage.....Yet.
paulveer 8 months, 2 weeks ago
And I'm sure that FHNC appreciates the education. A fine example for all!
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Eh oh! No Tubby custard for you!
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Asked and answered. Please try to keep up.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/05/clinton-boosts-obama-rousing-convention-speech/#c2131826
Kathy Getto 8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
"affirmation"...
"typical liberal"...
"nice try"...
and the one that someone caught on to rather quickly: "try to keep up" (and variants)
The continued obsessions with Clinton-hatred and Reagan-worship were also a big clue, for the user(s) who cracked the code.
Kathy Getto 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I've been censored! Where will I get that affirmation?????????
Kathy Getto 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Namaste, sir.
probusinessproamerica 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I am a registered Republican and a small business owner who, until last night, was undecided in the presidential race. It felt like Bill Clinton was sitting in my living room talking to me about the major political and economic issues with which I've been struggling. He was astonishingly straightforward. I spent time today to fact check his facts. All held up. I watched the Tampa RNC convention and did the same. The number of lies and falsehoods asserted, especially by Paul Ryan, were insulting to me and to America. I am no longer undecided. Obama is my man. Bill Clinton will forever be tainted by poor personal decisions, but I think he's a man that loves America and wants us all to succeed. He's our elder statesman.
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Just because your look productive not accomplish much publish a rag company isn't doing well doesn't mean others aren't successful. There is a reason yours isn't setting the world on fire and that reason is you. As a matter of fact you will do much worse if Romney is elected and has a Republican Congress. You wont have anything to write about. Not that anyone takes your writing seriously anyway.
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
You might start making money if you cleaned up your act. As it is your reputation precedes your arrival ruining your sales before they happen.
rockchalker52 8 months, 2 weeks ago
pro, you win the outstanding post of the day. well said.
MISTERTibbs 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Pro - better go back and repeat that fact checking.
Bill is still a very good communicator, he just hopes you don't "really" listen to what he says. There are an equal number of lies and stretched truths in his speech last night as there were in Ryan's last week.
As the old joke goes - How can you tell when a politician is lying? a.)It's whenever (s)he opens his/her mouth.
MISTERTibbs 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Pro - better go back and repeat that fact checking.
Bill is still a very good communicator, he just hopes you don't "really" listen to what he says. There are an equal number of lies and stretched truths in his speech last night as there were in Ryan's last week.
As the old joke goes - How can you tell when a politician is lying? a.)It's whenever (s)he opens his/her mouth.
Frankie8 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Absolutely! We should stop focusing on peoples private lives and focus on how well they perform in their jobs. Clinton and Obama both performed very good in their jobs. This is not a soap opera, this is real life, with real consequences.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Whew! Thank God for "Save Web Page, Complete"...!
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile, turning back to the topic at hand, Buzzfeed has this copy of last night's speech. It's color-coded, so you can compare the draft that was given to media before the speech was delivered... and the actual version delivered by President Clinton, improvisations included. This is some serious, serious skill!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/inside-bill-clintons-epic-democratic-convention-s
merrill 8 months, 2 weeks ago
One more thing...
Repubs goal to keep Obama to one term by screwing up the economy they screwed up is anti American!
All they think about is running the white house so they can pull off more financial frauds because some people close must be making big bundles of money as a result.
Which brings about the question how is it members of congress can commit insider trading and not be prosecuted? Paul Ryan has been implicated in some questionable selling just before the crap hit the fan.
newmedia 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Did not get a chance to see the speech. Just wondering, did the house band strike up a chorus of Devil With A Blue Dress when old Bubba made his appearance on stage?
headdoctor 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Romney is a draft dodger. What is your point?
snap_pop_no_crackle 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Will the DNC be able to fill the new much-smaller venue for the big teleprompter performance tonight? BTW, has Joe "where's the Xanax?" Biden even been there in North Carolina this week?
beatrice 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Hey snap, did you notice that Romney and Ryan spoke from teleprompters at the GOP convention? Did ya? I mean, they used teleprompters right out in the open, and I'm not talking about the writing on your hand Sarah Palin type of teleprompters, but the type of teleprompters set up by a podium and used by EVERY POLITICIAN ALIVE TODAY.
Yep, Romney is just like Obama in that he uses a teleprompter. How does that make you feel? Disappointed?
To paraphrase a former President, it takes some kind of brass to blame someone of doing the exact same thing the person you support is doing.
Agnostick 8 months, 2 weeks ago
snap_pop_no_crackle July 25, 2012 at 10:03 p.m.
"The Mope's trying to get away from his teleprompter crutch. You just never know what he's going to say next. Almost as fascinating as watching Biden."
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/jul/25/correct-context/#c2100360
snap_pop_no_crackle's great-great-great-great-grandfather Late November, 1863
"The Liberator's trying to get away from his envelope crutch. You just never know what he's going to say next. Almost as fascinating as watching Breckinridge."
MacHeath 8 months, 2 weeks ago
wow, 167 posts! I'll be damned. LOL Didn't read a one of them. I know what they say. A bunch of idiot neo-conservatives, that don't have a friggin clue about politics, and what it takes to get things done vs. a bunch of knee-jerk, smug liberals that think their farts don't stink, and don't have a friggin clue about politics, and what it takes to get things done. If either side think they are the saviors of our species, and country, they are mistaken. This is the kind of bigotry, stupidity, and intolerance that could lead to the destruction of our way of life.
Screw you guys! I'm goin' home!
tuschkahouma 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I love how the john birch society churchlicans now to come to the defense of Israel. They and their predecessors didn't have a problem being anti semitic towards Jewish people in recent times. I guess evangelicalism has to reach everywhere and pervent itself intertwined with nationalism....moral imperialism you know.
yourworstnightmare 8 months, 2 weeks ago
What is Romney hiding in his tax returns? Why won't he be transparent with the American people?
Romney won't release his returns, talk about Bain, talk about his or Ryan's budget plan, or talk about his religion.
All he has is attacks against Obama and "Are you better off now?"
The answer? Yes, Mitt, we are.
Armstrong 8 months, 2 weeks ago
I have the tax returns - stop asking about them, I won't show them to you
tbaker 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Watching Clinton reminded me of watching John Edwards defend a guilty client.
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