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Letter: Individual rights

October 21, 2012

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To the editor:

After listening to the vice president during the debate, I thought I may have heard a couple themes of his that he has touched on in the past. In 2008 Mr. Biden said: “For too long in this society we have celebrated unrestrained individualism over the common community.”

I found some more quotes that reflect this reasoning from other politicians, such as this one from Hillary Clinton back in 2003: “We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society.”

I found another quote that’s quite a bit older, but similar nonetheless: “There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the State and the Individual; between the State, which demands, and the individual, who attempts to evade such demands.”

People should look up the author of that last one for themselves.

Had I been the moderator of the VP debate, I would have asked Mr. Biden whether or not he thinks the concept of individualism, particularly that of individual liberty, can co-exist with the “spread the wealth around” doctrine he and Mr. Obama espouses. After all, during the Democratic Convention we saw the video which said “government is the only thing we all belong to.” I think this is the “common community” Mr. Biden spoke of.

Are we merely servants to the “common community,” to the government we “belong to,” or are we independent beings with our own lives and individual liberties who have an inalienable right to exist for our own sake?

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bd 1 year, 5 months ago

sounds like the Borg has invaded!!!!!!! "you will be assimilated into the collective"

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JohnBrown 1 year, 5 months ago

Agreed, Romney is a chameleon. But, believe Tea Partiers when they say they want smaller government. They want it so small it fits right inside a woman's vagina.

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donttreadonme 1 year, 5 months ago

I see the nanny state conservative apologists, err, whiners, have nothing to contribute but bashing of Europe/Canada, President Obama, or liberalism.

The fact is, the right has no coherent policy or standards. It's whatever feels good to their band of Ayn Rand-quoting sheeple. Ayn Rand, the poster child for Social Security, Medicare, abortion, and extramarital sex.

I'm all for individual liberty, which means the right to make a buck AND the right to marry whomever you want. Everything is else is just picking and choosing like the immature, entitled snots too many Republicans have become.

And their leader is Romney, aka "Etch-a-Sketch".

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 5 months ago

There have been no debates.Just question and answer sessions and poorly answered questions at that.

Hope Romney wins so Lawrence can expand Bert Nash. The loonies will need help.Anyone who believes the candidates have been having debates have never watched a debate and I don't give a diddly about the 'experts" at KU. They know full well these TV coverage sessions are not debates. But then what could one expect from the profs at KU. They havn't lived long enough to see debates like KU used to have some 50 years ago.

This stuff now is watered down USA and stuff like the J/W aks 'on the street'.

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voevoda 1 year, 5 months ago

"There is no question of relieving others at the cost of hardship to yourselves; it is a question of equality. At the moment, your surplus meets their need, but one day your need may be met from their surplus. The aim is equality."

"Discharge your obligations to everyone; pay tax and levy, reverence and respect, to those to whom they are due. Leave no debt outstanding, but remember the debt of love you owe one another... 'Love your neighbour as yourself'.' Love cannot wrong a neighbour; therefore love is the fulfilment of the law."

"Obey your leaders and submit to their authority; for they are tireless in their care for you, as those who must render an account."

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ShePrecedes 1 year, 5 months ago

Well done, tony. I won't vote for Joe or Barak. But I will not vote for Mitt or Paul either. They are all the same in their need to enslave us. I am voting for the only person not interested in enslaving us, Ron Paul.

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1 year, 5 months ago

Baker, I did go find the quote and found most, if not all of your LTE in one post of a Libertarian rag (blog). If you're going to repost a blog, have the integrity to say so, rather than putting the ideas forth as your own.

Your LTE comes from an online Libertarian rag, http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2012/oct/11/war-against-individualism/. In fact the LTE is a virtual quote from that rag.

On one hand he calls VP Biden a Communist and the other hand he calls SOS Clinton a Fascist. Further, Baker demonstrates a true ability to hash together quotes from a Libertarian Rag ) and wrap them up with a big bow, claiming the ideas as his own.

Baker, you claim (in your repost of the blog) that the current government is both Fascist and Communist at the same time. You can't have it both ways. The National Socialist Party was Fascist and violently anti-Communist. Why else do you think they put Communists in extermination camps along with jews, gypsies, homosexuals and anyone else they didn't like? Further, if the Nazi's were socialist, why did they fight against the Communists in the Spanish Civil War? Get it through your head that National Socialist was a name, not a political philosophy.

The LTE is outright plagiarism as I see it. Nothing, original, but that seems to be expected given the writer's obvious political leanings.

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Kate Rogge 1 year, 5 months ago

George McGovern died today. I worked for his 1972 campaign in Lincoln, Nebraska handing out campaign literature at University of Nebraska football games when half the state came to watch Bob Devaney's team play. McGovern was among the best this country has produced. He certainly understood the balance of individual rights and public good. McGovern was a gentle man of humility, intelligence, courage, and conviction who tried to stop the horrors of the Vietnam war, who worked with Bob Dole to pass bipartisan legislation that helped all Americans, and who saved lives through the distribution of America's surplus foods to starving peoples around the world. A great man, and a great public servant. A giant lived among us and has passed away. RIP, sir.

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atiopatioo 1 year, 5 months ago

Robin Hood will cast light for all to see.

Russell Crowe says ‘Obama is the light and the future,’ then throws hissy fit, blocks fans Posted at 11:50 am on October 21, 2012

✔ @russellcrowe Villagers,I don't endorse politicians.Not my thing.However, Obama is the light & the future.Keep going towards the light. Put America first. 21 Oct 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite

Actor Russell Crowe doesn’t endorse politicians. He only swoons over them in a cult-like fashion. Obama is “the light and the future!!11111″ Good grief. The deification of Obama is beyond creepy.

Crowe continues the creep with prattling about “global awareness” and such. He’s a Citizen of the World ™, you see. And his world revolves around Man-God Obama.

Russell Crowe ✔ @russellcrowe Complex time for the world. America needs to continue the Global awareness that Obama has set. A healthy America means a healthy planet. 21 Oct 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite

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overplayedhistory 1 year, 5 months ago

"Are we merely servants to the “common community,” to the government we “belong to,” or are we independent beings with our own lives and individual liberties who have an inalienable right to exist for our own sake?"

Common community is what we we will have to create, outside of the mainstream, if value is continued to be drained by less than 0.5% of the population. Better hope your neighbors have all that you can not provide for yourself, and you have something they want in return. You can not build a competitive world economy by letting 0.5% of the population drain and sack it away in the Caymans.

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atiopatioo 1 year, 5 months ago

solve problems that require a community. I thought it was, it takes a village?

Defining this sanctimonious predilection for those starry eyed inhabitants: Spreading the wealth. And people in the government with an Iron Fist, will do, require spreading the wealth.

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tange 1 year, 5 months ago

"Without the freedom to pursue our self interest there will be little motivation to achieve."
and
"Perhaps it's specifically because their system does not allow for the huge profits that comes with the development of new drugs."
vs.
"I really doubt that scientists would say, "Screw curing cancer. I can't become a billionaire off of it!" and start a different career path instead."

Evolved humans are not in need of exorbitant financial incentives, in order to achieve.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 5 months ago

RyanRomney would give you all the individual rights you can afford to buy.

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Clara Westphal 1 year, 5 months ago

The USA is becoming a third world country.

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jayhawklawrence 1 year, 5 months ago

I think a lot of the most callous vitriol we see regarding our President comes from extreme Libertarians or people who share such anti-government views.

It will be difficult to solve problems that require a community effort if their philosophy continues to distract the American people from finding real solutions.

You can see the problem with our deficit began with the "supply side economics or trick down" during the Reagan administration. That is when Arthur Laffer and his bogus theories began to influence our national economic policies rather than responsible leadership.

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atiopatioo 1 year, 5 months ago

Economically, If America is still a middle class country, Obama will lose. If it is a third world country, he will win

https://s3.amazonaws.com/StratInvAudio/Davidson+Unplugged.18-Oct.mp3

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SageonPage 1 year, 5 months ago

I think the author of this post is rightly pointing out the dangers of the philosophies Biden and Clinton espouse, and that is the State is all important and the individual needs to fall in line or end up like those resisting Pol Pot in the Killing Fields. Clinton/Biden/Obama communism is on the march and we better nip it in the bud...

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Liberty275 1 year, 5 months ago

“For too long in this society we have celebrated unrestrained individualism over the common community.”

I have to applaud Biden. In one sentence he demonstrates why I have little but contempt for the left even though I agree with them on many issues.

Mr Biden, if you want me to be part of your community, you should make sure it has bars around it. Better yet, save us the trouble and just take my money on tax day then stay away from my life for another year.

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jayhawklawrence 1 year, 5 months ago

I think the letter writer is unclear about individual purpose and public purpose. We have responsibility for ourselves but we also have a public responsibility as a member of a family, group, society, etc.

In politics, there is a strong incentive to get stuff for the people who are able to get and keep you elected.

Our country was founded with many checks and balances to protect individual freedom but if the electorate is ill informed, it is reasonable to predict that political processes will become out of balance with the needs of average citizens who lack the financial means or power as individuals to protect or promote their own interests.

Blind faith in a particular political party or leader is a dangerous habit worth breaking but encouraging public mindedness toward civic responsibilities is not a sin.

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atiopatioo 1 year, 5 months ago

Joe Biden and his pal Obama, is the Gregor MacGregor of the times.

Poyais, whose capital city, Saint Joseph, is just off in the horizon. Take passage with Joe. He will take you there.

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jafs 1 year, 5 months ago

It is absolutely both, as fred says.

Human beings are both individuals, and members of communities/societies.

Any workable social structure has to include both of those aspects - the real question is how much weight each one gets, and how well that works.

In my view, socialism/communism give too much weight to the communal, whereas our society in some ways gives too much weight to the individual.

Perhaps an ideal balance could be found by a hybrid society, with some elements of socialism and some of capitalism - in fact, many countries that are held to be the best to live in do just that, like Canada.

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Roland Gunslinger 1 year, 5 months ago

I wonder if the LTE writer is in favor of gay marriage? Legalizing drugs? Nixing smoking laws? Allowing alcohol sales to adults 18 years of age? Scrapping seatbelt laws for adults?

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Brock Masters 1 year, 5 months ago

It is both. We as individuals must be able to pursue our own self interest and retain the fruits of that pursuit. Without the freedom to pursue our self interest there will be little motivation to achieve.

We also must give to the common good but the demand must not be so great that it kills our motivation to satisfy our self interest. Also, all who can must contribute.

Those who are ill, disabled or otherwise struck down by outside forces and thus cannot contribute should be cared for by a compassionate society. However, those who by their own choices decide not to contribute and demand society give to them are a blight on our society and are owed nothing.

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