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Editorial: Round two

October 18, 2012

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If this year’s series of presidential debates was likened to a three-round prize fight, most ringside judges would have given round one, by a wide margin, to challenger Mitt Romney.

The champion’s trainers gave their fighter, President Obama, quick instructions on how to take the fight to the challenger, and he came out for the second round more aggressively. This round was much closer and the score cards probably gave Obama a slight, very slight, advantage.

Both combatants got in some telling blows on Tuesday, but there were no knockdowns or serious injuries.

Now the debate contest moves to the final round Monday at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Fla.

In many ways, an incumbent enjoys an advantage because there is the prestige of the president’s office, the three-plus years of national and international exposer and the ability to try to control or manage the news.

However, this also can be a serious handicap, and, in Obama’s case, his record during the past three-plus years is not good. In fact, it is bad.

Consequently, both the president, and his vice president, have the challenge of trying to defend their poor record by diverting attention from the arguments of former Gov. Romney. Added to the negatives of high unemployment, record national debt, record number of Americans on food stamps and other embarrassing negative economic indicators, Obama now has to try to explain the lack of security and deadly attacks on the U.S. consulate compound in Benghazi where the U.S. ambassador was killed. So far, the explanation by Obama and his senior aides has been confusing, misleading and not truthful.

Numerous observers said it is likely those who already have decided for whom they will vote were not persuaded to change their minds by Tuesday’s debate. However, a focus group of undecided or independent voters in Las Vegas, who watched the debate on television, surprisingly said Romney won the debate.

It is clear Obama’s “trainers” had prepared their champion well, even to the point of having him perched on his stool, fully alert, paying attention to every word Romney offered in his presentations and ready to spring forward to answer the bell whenever there was an opening in the debate. In the first debate, Obama was listless, didn’t appear to be fully engaged and not well prepped.

Also, he took a page from Vice President Biden’s playbook and frequently interrupted and challenged Romney’s assertions.

Romney seemed a bit unsure during the first part of the debate but gained strength as the 90-minute debate progressed. Obama was steady during the entire exercise and, although he had hoped to land a knockout or seriously damaging blow, he was unable to put away his challenger.

Unfortunately, viewers and listeners didn’t learn anything new during the debate. Is there any reason to believe anything new will surface in Monday’s debate?

Whom should the public believe? Who would be the best president for the country for the next four years? What will determine how a genuine undecided, independent voter will vote?

Is the country better off today than it was four years ago, and has Obama delivered on his promises and the “changes” he called for in seeking the office four years ago? What are the chances his record will be any better in another four years if he should be re-elected?

Independent, currently undecided voters can play an almost unprecedented, important role in what happens to this country not only for the next four years but for many more years to come.

How will they vote on Nov. 6?

Comments

Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

Think Progress / By Igor Volsky

Romney Told 31 Myths In 41 Minutes During Last Night's Debate
October 17, 2012

During the first presidential debate in Denver, Colorado Romney managed to tell 27 myths in his 38 minutes of speaking time. But at his second encounter with Obama in New York, the GOP presidential candidate — who has run a post-truth campaign from day one — outdid himself and crammed 31 myths in 41 minutes:

--- “I want to make sure we keep our Pell grant program growing. We’re also going to have our loan program, so that people are able to afford school.” Paul Ryan’s budget could cut Pell Grants for nearly 1 million college students and even Romney’s white paper on education, “A Chance for Every Child,” suggests that he “wouldreverse the growth in Pell Grant funding.” It says: “A Romney Administration will refocus Pell Grant dollars on the students that need them most and place the program on a responsible long-term path that avoids future funding cliffs and last-minute funding patches.”

--- “I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay.” The Washington Post’s in-house fact checker tore Romney’s claim that he will create 12 million jobs to shreds. The Post wrote that the “‘new math’” in Romney’s plan “doesn’t add up.” In awarding the claim four Pinocchios — the most untrue possible rating, the Post expressed incredulity at the fact Romney would personally stand behind such a flawed, baseless claim.

--- “And the president’s right in terms of the additional oil production, but none of it came on federal land. As a matter of fact, oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas production was down 9 percent.” 14 percent is a one-year number. “Overall, oil production on federal land under Obama is up from 566 million barrels in 2008 to 626 million barrels in 2011, a 10.6 percent increase.” Compared to the last three years of President Bush, there have been 241 million more barrels of oil produced from public lands in the first three years of Obama.

--- “Because the president cut in half the number of licenses and permits for drilling on federal lands, and in federal waters.” There are slightly fewer permits in 2009 and 2010, from between 8,000-9,000 permits to over 5,000, and they have not been cut by half. The oil and gas industry is sitting on 7,000 approved permits to drill, where it hasn’t begun exploring or developing. Two-thirds of “acreage leased by [oil] industry lies idle” on public lands, according to the Department of the Interior.

--- “I believe very much in our renewable capabilities; ethanol, wind, solar will be an important part of our energy mix.” Romney is actually against a one-year renewal of the wind production tax credit. The wind production tax credit has led to $14 billion of investment in 2011 and tens of thousands of American jobs.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

The cause of the attack on the US ambassador in Libya was the chaos that ensued with the removal of its dictator from power.

There are only two ways that any embassy or consulate can ever be truly secure-- either thru the protection of the host government, or by establishing a large US military base (as in the Green Zone in Iraq) that surrounds it. The Libyan government can't provide the security, and hardcore partisans like you would be howling if we attempted to establish a military base there.

The ambassador and his security personnel knew they had a very dangerous assignment, and they chose to engage the Libyan people rather than remaining holed up in a bunker somewhere.

So while it may be argued that the US should never have gotten involved in the Libyan revolution, Romney is no position to make that argument while he is simultaneously advocating doing the same thing in Syria, even though it would create the same level of chaos that led to the murder of the US Ambassador.

Trumbull 2 years, 6 months ago

I take the opposite view. Information about this unfortuante tragedy was being gathered and still is I'm sure. The president's response the day after the attack was appropriate. And yes, there were simultaneous riots in other regions going on when this attack occured. This added to the confusion. I find it troubling that the Republicans were trying to gain political advantage from this event.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

Next Round.

--- “Fifty-four percent of America’s workers work in businesses that are taxed as individuals. So when you bring those rates down, those small businesses are able to keep more money and hire more people.” Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as “small business income” but don’t have a direct impact on job creation. It’s actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.

--- “I went to a number of women’s groups and said, ‘Can you help us find folks,’ and they brought us whole binders full of women. I was proud of the fact that after I staffed my Cabinet and my senior staff, that the University of New York in Albany did a survey of all 50 states, and concluded that mine had more women in senior leadership positions than any other state in America.” Romney did not askwomen groups for candidates. Instead, prior to his election, a “bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government.” They “put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions” and presented it to Romney after he was elected. A UMass-Boston study found that “the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006.”

--- “I’m going to help women in America get good work by getting a stronger economy and by supporting women in the workforce.” Romney has beenuncomfortably silent on the issue of pay equity. He has refused to say whether he’d support the Paycheck Fairness Act, a bill that would allow women to sue for equal pay, and named four of the justices who voted to roll back equal pay in that Supreme Court decision as his models for any of his appointments to the federal bench.

--- “I’d just note that I don’t believe that bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone whether they can use contraceptives or not. And I don’t believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive care of not. Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives.” But back in March, Romney expressed strong support for the so-called Blunt amendment, which that would allow employers to deny contraception coverage to women. Romney also wants to defund Planned Parenthood, where 76 percent of the patients seek low-cost birth control options. Defunding the organization would make it much harder for those women to obtain contraceptives.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

A few more but certainly there are more.

--- “So when you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did. And and I think it’s important to know that that was a process that was necessary to get those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. That was precisely what I recommend and ultimately what happened.” This is false. As Buisnessweek explains: Romney “opposed any use of taxpayer dollars to bail out the automakers, advice that President George W. Bush and Obama ignored. GM and Chrysler went through managed bankruptcies after Bush, at the end of his presidency, and later Obama provided federal funds.” “Without federal funds, GM and Chyrsler would not have survived. As former Bush aide Tony Fratto explained, “It wasn’t just that there wasn’t credit available; a lot of private equity had cash, they just weren’t giving it away.”

--- “He keeps saying, ‘Look, I’ve created 5 million jobs.’ That’s after losing 5 million jobs. The entire record is such that the unemployment has not been reduced in this country.” Job creation is net positive since Obama took office in the middle of the worst recession since the great depression. Economists estimate that up to 3 million jobs were created by the stimulus alone.

---- “Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in — in Chinese companies.” Romney’s blind trust is not very blind, and includes investments in a company owned by Romney’s son.

--- “He said he would have by now put forward a plan to reform Medicare and Social Security, because he pointed out they’re on the road to bankruptcy.” The possibility of Medicare going bankrupt is — and historically has been — greatly exaggerated. In fact, if no changes are made, Medicare would still be able to meet 88 percent of its obligations in 2085. Social Security is fully funded for another two decades and could pay 75 percent of its benefits thereafter. There is also an easy wayto ensure the program’s long-term solvency without large changes or cuts to benefits.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

There are plenty of reasons to NOT vote republican.

Face it neither WOMEN nor Republicans nor Democrats nor the Middle class can afford the Republican Party!

-- Women will be getting more republican big government in there lives? It is on the way! http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/05/3849961/joel-brinkley-gop-would-impose.html

--- Public Education is a strong player in new Economic Growth yet republicans starve the system of funding which starves our teachers of resources. Which starves the desired level of education = stealing from our children’s future.

--- "Rebuilding America's Defences," openly advocates for total global military domination” (Very dangerous position which threatens OUR freedoms and the nations security) http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century

--- The repub party declared the day Obama was elected their primary function would be to make Obama a one term president. Consequently their millions of NO votes became the disastrous campaign against women,The USA and jobs for Americans. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/09/did-republicans-deliberately-crash-us-economy

--- Republicans want to kill PBS and NPR - NO I want my tax dollars to support PBS and NPR

--- Publicopoly Exposed frankly is a threat to Democracy - ALEC http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/11603/publicopoly_exposed/ http://www.justice.org/cps/rde//justice/hs.xsl/15044.htm

--- Killing Social Security Insurance Is Not An Option. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

--- Killing Medicare Insurance is simply not an option. http://www.thenation.com/article/159769/paul-ryans-plan-destroy-medicare

Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

Romney Receives Tax Rewards for Killing USA Jobs = 170 jobs from one company

--- While the workers and the town may suffer, Romney himself has done well as a result of Bain's work with the company. According to his recently released 2011 tax returns, Romney transferred $701,703 worth of Sensata stock to the Tyler Charitable Foundation, a 501(c)3 tax-exempt nonprofit controlled by Romney. The gift is listed on page 323 of the pdf, on form 8283 (below).

--- Moving the stock to his nonprofit brings Romney twin benefits. First, he gets to deduct the full value of the stock. At a 35 percent tax rate, that's nearly a $250,000 benefit. At 15 percent, it's just over $100,000.

--- Second, Romney is able to avoid paying capital gains taxes on the stock price increase. Romney's returns list no cost for the stock, and indicate he obtained them as part of a partnership interest in Bain. Avoiding capital gains taxes on the full increase would save an additional $100,000. In 2010, Romney gifted $170,000 worth of Sensata stock to his charity, saving $25,000 in capital gains taxes that year.

--- Cheryl Randecker, a Sensata worker facing an imminent layoff, said, "I could pay off my house with that [$25,000], and he doesn't need it anyway."

--- Randecker received her 60-day layoff notice shortly after Labor Day. She and other Sensata employees have tried in vain to pressure Romney and Bain to keep their jobs in the U.S., going so far as to create a "Bainport" encampment across the street from their plant in Freeport, Ill. Billed as the "home of the Romney economy," the site highlights what some Sensata workers describe as corporate greed squeezing the middle class.

--- Some of these 170 employees losing their jobs the day before election day have been employed for 33 years.

--- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

jhawkinsf 2 years, 6 months ago

Merrill, your typewriter is going to run out of ink.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

The current resident of 1600 Penn. Ave proved that he is capable of learning from his mistakes by not phoning in another dazed and confused performance.

Bob Forer 2 years, 6 months ago

I am sick and tired of all the liberturds and their lies that Governor Romney's tax plan is void of specifics. They are right here. Check it out yourself.

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

Not everybody follows every thread the way you do (or even I.)

jhawkinsf 2 years, 6 months ago

Ah, but you do follow me from thread to thread. My own little cyber-stalker. I feel, what's the word I'm looking for? Blessed.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

Too bad we can't see all of your user names over the years to do a comprehensive total of your posts.

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

"liberturds"?

Okay, recess is over. Time to let the adults discuss the issues now.

Bob Forer 2 years, 6 months ago

"Apparently you didn't click on the link, or you'd realize it was all tongue in cheek.

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

Sometimes I forget to check the sarcasm meter before responding. Sorry.

tbaker 2 years, 6 months ago

When you listen to President Obama’s masterful oratory and hear him describe his grand vision for the country, it is very difficult - even for the most biased, hard-right ideologue – not to come away inspired by it. Of all people even Rush Limbaugh has said as much.

The trouble is the hope and change mindset it took to believe Mr. Obama’s vision was actually possible is long gone. When the President launches into one of his “vision for the future” speeches now, he just sounds delusional. The hard reality of the mess the country is in belies his incredible ability to deliver a good speech. Undecided voters don’t break for the incumbent as a rule, especially the ones who have figured out they didn’t get what they voted for the last time. If that’s what the Obama campaign is counting on, they’re in for a long night November 6th. Most people won’t be fooled twice.

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

Yes, it is a shame that Obama must work with such a disfunctional Congress that blocks his moves at every turn. They have made it know their goal was to make him a one term president, not to help the country. Well, if they prove to fail at their single goal and he is re-elected, how will they justify their obstructionist ways?

If Romney is elected, think Democrats in Congress should make it their primary goal to make him a one-term president? How do you think that will improve the nation?

tbaker 2 years, 6 months ago

I suspect they justify their obstructionist ways becuase they believe seeing to it Mr. Obama is a one-term President is helping the country.

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

I didn't ask what you think they thought about it, I asked what you thought about it. Are you in support of Republicans going out of their way to be party-line obstructionists is good for the nation?

tbaker 2 years, 6 months ago

Congress being grid-locked and not getting anything done is – on balance - a good thing for you and me and everyone else. They aren’t spending money we don’t have and passing ever-more onerous regulations.

You can look at this and say the republicans aren’t obstructionist, that this isn’t their fault. The democrats lost the house in the 2010 election. The obstructionism going on right now was caused by the fact democrats were the losers.

The house has passed a lot of legislation, and the senate is sitting on it. Mr. Reed won’t bring it to the floor for a vote. You could say the obstructionism is being caused by the democrat senate.

Blaming republicans for obstructionism just doesn’t square with the facts B. Besides, this condition is common. Look at our history. Being gridlocked is what congress does because the record shows that the country doesn’t like a political monopoly. One party having all three houses of government isn’t rare, but it’s always a temporary condition. The republicans are no different from the democrats. Both have long histories of “obstructing” each other. Whats been going on the last two years is nothing new.

jayhawklawrence 2 years, 6 months ago

Clarity is what you hope for from a newspaper editorial but in reality newspapers are bent toward a particular political ideology. I guess that is just how is goes.

I think what the majority of Americans recognize is that accepting the Romney plan, or rather, the right wing plan is going to result in a massive transfer of wealth to the very rich as well as the power to control the vast resources of our country. The fear is that our country would fundamentally change in a way that would make the lives of average Americans much more difficult. Obama rightly called the Romney plan a one point plan, not a five point plan.

What we need to do is understand what happened during the financial crisis, its effect on our country and we need to work together in a public minded way to make the sacrifices necessary to rebuild our country. The Republican Party has demonstrated along with some Democrats that they are not able to do that.

There are many positive things happening in this country but these are not being emphasized enough. Our country is recovering.

The fear is that the lack of public minded leadership in the Republican Party is encouraging an irresponsible level of fear and selfishness among business leaders. Business leaders are making decisions based on whether they get their tax breaks even while recording record profits and while the stock market reaches record highs.

It has been a long time since John Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

It is time for a change of attitude among business leaders in dealing with our country's challenges and a time to stop denying responsibility and blaming it on our President.

somedude20 2 years, 6 months ago

Weird, one second I was reading the LJW online then all of a sudden, some portal took me to this Fox news editorial....very strange

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

Is that comment intended to be funny, or just stupid? (if it's the latter, you succeeded. If it's the former, not so much.)

paulveer 2 years, 6 months ago

Would you like to wager who will win the election? How about the loser has to shut up for a day? No posting for an entire day on the day after the election, and no going back and posting on stories first posted that day. I pick Obama to win. Are we on? p.s. I apologize for using the word "blathering." That wasn't called for.

Chris Golledge 2 years, 6 months ago

Manifestly absent from the debates is any discussion of climate change. I'm curious what Romney thinks he knows that has escaped the scientists who have been researching the problem for the last 100 years. His solution appears to be "Let's deal with the problem by pretending it doesn't exist." Personally, I don't know why anyone would vote for a leader who deals with problems that way.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

"I guess it depends on who is paying the scientists for the answer the payers want."

That's certainly the theory that that Exxon has followed with the 1% of "scientists" who come up with the results they paid for.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

You really have a talent for nonsensical gibberish.

Chris Golledge 2 years, 6 months ago

No, according to the scientists, the release of the latest data set does not change our understanding in any significant way, http://earthsky.org/earth/uk-met-office-responds-global-warming-did-not-stop-16-years-ago http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/met-office-in-the-media-14-october-2012/

You have referenced a news article which references a news article by Rose, where Rose has cherry-picked and eyeballed the data, and come to an erroneous opinion. At least you should have referenced the Daily Mail article itself, but instead you have referenced an article which concludes: "It seems as if the consensus is that global warming is real and it is here to stay, despite what the Daily Mail has stated."

So, your reference flatly disagrees with the point you are trying to make. Are you serious?

Chris Golledge 2 years, 6 months ago

"First it has to be a problem." We are not talking about hypotheticals here. Maybe you didn't notice, but the U.S. has experienced some unusually hot and dry weather the past couple of years. Around the world, events like this have risen from covering less than 1% of the globe to covering 10% or more.

I guess you don't think that farmers have had any trouble this year, but that would imply a disconnect with reality.

Chris Golledge 2 years, 6 months ago

News outlets tend to get science things wrong. There is no new study. There was a data set update to include the latest data available. A 'study' would imply that an analysis of the data was done, conclusions drawn, and a review and release cycle happened; none of that is the case.

olddognewtrix 2 years, 6 months ago

One expects more from the editors of the JW, for instance its cheap shot on the Benghazi matter. Unless our nation provides several Abrams tanks and a company of combat Marines at every consulate, we will have some occassional lossses. Come on JW ! wake up to reality

Kate Rogge 2 years, 6 months ago

Is there a new editorial writer on the LJWorld staff? This wasn't written by Simons, Jr., nor by the writer I've come to like and respect (even if I don't always agree with) over the past few years. This one's new, I think. Does anyone here know what, if any, editorial staff changes have been made at LJWorld?

jayhawklawrence 2 years, 6 months ago

They know its stupid and they don't care. The right wing is trying to confuse Independent voters because apparently, it works.

tbaker 2 years, 6 months ago

Do you believe the Marine Security Detachments at our Embassies have been told it is OK to have occassional loses? Have you ever been in a US Embassy abroad?

Security of our Emabassies is non-negotiable. One loss is an unacceptable failure. Whatever it takes to get the job done is what is acceptable. You're the one who needs to wake up. The depths of your ignorance are breathtaking.

Satirical 2 years, 6 months ago

Even if Obama had a slight advantage in this battle (he had to do better than last time), here is why Romney is the real winner...

(1) Romney won on the only issues that really matter in this election - Jobs, Economy, Taxes, Deficit (see CNN poll).

(2) Obama did a better job attacking Romney than in the last debate, but a lousy job laying out his vision for the future, other than "more of the same."

(3) Romney was very effective at framing this election as a referendum on the last 4 years.

(4) Obama wants to make this election as negative as possible and portray Romney as the devil, but Romney again succeeded at showing Americans that he is Presidential, and a person they could be comfortable with in their living room.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

(1) If those are the only issues that matter, why do most polls show that Obama "won" the debate?

(2) So what is Romney's vision? Why is he hiding the details of what that vision is?

(3) But the last four years are not the whole story-- the recession, worst in 70 years, was created under Bush's watch, and the way it's been dealt with is just as much the result of Republican obstructionism as anything Obama did.

(4) Romney is a smarmy rich guy with a well-developed sense of entitlement. He wouldn't feel at home in the living room of anyone with an income of less than $250,000 a year.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

(1) Read the poll again-- it was taken before the last debate. (2) I know what his vision is-- a government of, by and for plutocrats-- probably why you support him, and probably why he's so vague (and dishonest) about it. (3) The policies of the last 30 years or so are to blame, and Romney will bring a more extreme version of those failed trickle-down policies than Obama would. (4) Oh, great I have the word of an anonymous poster who knows someone who knows him. What more do I need to know about what a swell guy he is?

jafs 2 years, 6 months ago

I haven't posted any such thing to my knowledge.

tbaker 2 years, 6 months ago

The post-debate polling comes out Friday.

We will see if your list of personal opinions have any basis.

Satirical 2 years, 6 months ago

Bozo…

(1) The question of who won the debate is different from the question of who can tackle the most important issue of our time. The polls clearly show Romney won on the economy, taxes, and the deficit. People don’t vote based on who won a debate (see 2004), they vote on who is best equipped to run this country.

(2) Go to mittromney.com for his “hidden” vision.

(3) Even if what you say were true, Americans aren't so dumb as to believe that Obama’s policies are helping. Demand Side Economics fails.

(4) I know you drank the kool-aid that Romney is the devil, but Americans didn’t see the horns on Romney’s head. They see a smart businessman who understands how the economy works. Obama goes all negative, all the time because he can’t run on his record.

Constantly blaming others, and going all negative only works for so long.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

In this poll, Romney is up by 1/2 of 1%-- in other words, a dead heat.

But what difference does it make what the polls say? There is only one, on Nov. 6, that will count (even though the electoral process that delivers it is extremely flawed and corrupt.)

Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

Remember a while back when cait declared that the election had been decided and that the Mope was a shoe-in? Maybe not so much now......

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

Who is the Mope, and could you be more repetitive if you tried?

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

Why must Obama explain about a terrorist attack in Libya during a debate? Was Bush called on the carpet during the debates in 2004 for what happened on 9/11, for his not protecting Americans, or was 9/11 recognized for the terrorist act it was?

Believe it or not, the President cannot keep all Americans safe in all situations around the world at all times. We have embassies around the world, and at any time one of them can be attacked by organized terrorists. What a shock!

Romney is desperately trying to score political points on American deaths. He proved it by speaking out even before we knew people had been killed, for which most thinking people criticized him. The fact that this anonymous editorial writer (Dolph) wants to support such a political ploy demonstrates how desperate Romney and the right-wing media that supports him truly are. They will say anything in their attempt to get their man elected.

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

Diminish the scale of 9/11? Um... no. However, very few Democrats tried to say Bush was actually and personally responsible. You see, it was a terrorist attack, and as much as we would like presidents to keep us safe at all times from such attacks, they cannot and bad things do happen. Democrats understand this basic truth, which is why attempting to blame the president for the attachs wasn't part of the 2004 debates. Sadly, it appears Republicans now believe presidents must always keep bad things from ever happening.

I'm quite sure if Romney were to go on and win the presidency, this newfound expectation among Republicans to end all terrorist attacks and to keep all embassies safe at all times will diminish greatly.

jayhawklawrence 2 years, 6 months ago

I totally agree.

They want to create controversy no matter what it cost including respect for the death of patriots.

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

That was the intelligence as it was presented. If you believe intelligence is always correct, feel free to explain WMDs.

tbaker 2 years, 6 months ago

“Why must Obama explain about a terrorist attack in Libya during a debate?”

Foreign policy is a serious matter for voters to consider in a presidential candidate, so questions about in a debate should be expected. When attacks on embassies and a death of the ambassador are in the news at the time of the debate, these things cast doubt on an incumbent President’s foreign policy in the region. Questions about it during a debate are a certainty.

Did that help?

Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

Let's take a look at how the current regime has been whizzing tax money away. "The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies: Evergreen Solar ($24 million) SpectraWatt ($500,000) Solyndra ($535 million) Beacon Power ($69 million) AES’s subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million) Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million) SunPower ($1.5 billion) First Solar ($1.46 billion) Babcock and Brown ($178 million) EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million) Amonix ($5.9 million) National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million) Fisker Automotive ($528 million) Abound Solar ($374 million) A123 Systems ($279 million) Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million) Johnson Controls ($299 million) Schneider Electric ($86 million) Brightsource ($1.6 billion) ECOtality ($126.2 million) Raser Technologies ($33 million) Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million) Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million) Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million) Range Fuels ($80 million) Thompson River Power ($6.4 million) Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million) LSP Energy ($2.1 billion) UniSolar ($100 million) Azure Dynamics ($120 million) GreenVolts ($500,000) Vestas ($50 million) LG Chem’s subsidiary Chemical Power ($150 million) Nordic Windpower ($16 million) Navistar ($10 million) Satcon ($3 million) Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy" http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/ We can't afford another four years of this.

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

I remember when you used your mad copy-and-paste skills to highlight the spending of the previous administration.

Oh wait, no I don't.

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

I believe that was before our economy fell off the cliff, was it not? You are comparing apples and bankrupt auto manufacturing plants.

I don't approve of all the spending from Reagan (tripled the deficit) on. It is a result, in part, of the failed policies of trickle-down economics.

repaste 2 years, 6 months ago

As you know, that budget did not inlude 1 trillion + for 2 wars

beatrice 2 years, 6 months ago

Romney officially introduced to the country?!? That is hysterically funny! The guy has been running for president for more than FIVE YEARS!!!

As you like to say: Massive FAIL!

tbaker 2 years, 6 months ago

Ya know B, you do a lot better job when you at least try to reason and think critically and make an attempt to conceal the fact you are just an unabashed shill for Obama. Rank demagoguery is so tedious. How do you gain by doing it? Do you think you are changing anyone’s mind?

Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

--- "Mitt Romney Made Millions from the Rescue of Detroit" as 25,000 GM jobs went to China

--- " Investigative reports reveal how Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney made some $15 million on the auto bailout and that three of Romney’s top donors made more than $4 billion for their hedge funds from the bailout.

--- As part of a massive government bailout, U.S. taxpayers paid $12 billion to save auto parts maker Delphi Corporation. Out of that taxpayer money, three billionaires and their partners took in a profit of over $4 billion. One big winner, with a profit of over 4,000 percent, were the billionaires’ silent partners, Ann and Mitt Romney. The Romneys made at least $15 million, and as much as $115 million.

--- Our investigation began in Africa in the Congo. This is Greg Palast reporting. We are hunting for a vulture, a so-called vulture fund financier, this man, Paul Singer. Singer’s vulture fund seized $90 million out of foreign aid given the Congo, which could have been used to end a cholera epidemic. Singer’s vulture tactics are now outlawed in England and all over the world, but not in the U.S.A., certainly not here in Detroit, where we found Singer’s vulture fund feasting on the corpse of another victim, the once-world-leading Delco auto parts division of General Motors.

--- DELCO AD: Power that can’t get old before it’s sold. Delco dry charge battery, made by the Delco-Remy Division of General Motors.

--- So far, Romney and partners have pocketed over $4 billion. Then the billionaires gave Romney a million dollars each for the Republican campaigns. Nevertheless, Romney accused Obama of conflicts.

--- Documents reveal that a government bailout check was in fact cashed by none other than Ann Romney. It says that Ann Romney had a hunk of Mitt’s vast fortune in Elliott Management, Paul Elliott Singer’s vulture fund. Working our way between the limousines in front of his office, we wanted to ask Mr. Singer about his special financial deal with the Romneys. But he turned us down. The Romney campaign refuses to tell us exactly how much they made from the bailout, nor reveal their 2009 taxes.

--- ANN ROMNEY: We’ve given all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and about how we live our life.

--- To cover up their payday and avoid taxes, the vulture funds have moved the headquarters of Delphi from Michigan to Jersey—not New Jersey, but the Isle of Jersey off the coast of France, a notorious tax haven.

--- Governor Romney wrote, "Let Detroit go bankrupt." And it did. Of the 25,000 UAW members at Delphi, every single one lost their job. Delphi once had 29 factories in the U.S., now just one. Today, GM still gets its parts from Delphi, shipped from the plants that the Romney hedge funds have moved to the People’s Republic of China.

-- Continued and is juicy.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

And then: "...By now there is a clear pattern in the three debates: The Democratic candidates are running as if they are not incumbents and talk vaguely about what they might like to do rather than concretely about they have actually done the last four years — often as faux conservatives in touting tax cuts and more drilling. They more often speak, interrupt, and gesticulate, and the moderators are far more accommodating toward them — while Romney and Ryan have the greater recall of facts and present the more systematic argumentation in the face of guffaws, snarls, and meandering emoting.The radically shifting polls reflect that reality: Voters seem not so interested in tit-for-tat score-keeping as much as which candidates seem the more reliable, civil, informed, and trustworthy..." http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/330945/romney-should-be-encouraged-victor-davis-hanson

tbaker 2 years, 6 months ago

Romney 52% Obama 45% (Gallop)

The post-debate polling comes in today. We'll see if Mr. Obama's so-called victory in the last debate changes this. I doubt it.

If you listen to his message he is telling people they should vote for him becuase he hasn't fixed anything. From the looks of the poll numbers, people are getting the message.The man is on over his head. Time to elect someone who is better qualified for the job.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

So, should we just cancel the election and declare Romney president?

Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

And then: "...The $831,000,000,000 economic “stimulus” that President Obama spearheaded and signed into law requires his administration to release quarterly reports on its effects. But “the most transparent administration in the history of our country” is now four reports behind schedule and has so far not released any reports whatsoever in 2012. Its most recent quarterly report is for the quarter than ended on June 30, 2011..." http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ahead-election-obama-stops-releasing-stimulus-reports_654968.html

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