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Experts at KU say Obama bests Romney in second presidential debate

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama exchange views during the second presidential debate Tuesday at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y.

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama exchange views during the second presidential debate Tuesday at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y.

October 16, 2012

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The coach and one of the students responsible for Kansas University’s 2009 national debate championship both said Barack Obama rebounded with a victory in Tuesday’s presidential debate, but both candidates have shown off strong argumentative chops so far.

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Scott Harris, the KU debate coach, and Brett Bricker, part of KU’s two-person national championship team in 2009, both shared their thoughts on Tuesday’s debate with the Journal-World. And both gave Obama the edge.

Bricker, who is now a doctoral student in communications studies at KU and aims to be a debate coach in the future, said Obama put on a much better performance than he did during the first presidential debate earlier this month, displaying broader preparation and a willingness to take some jabs at Republican candidate Mitt Romney.

“It was in many ways a very different Obama,” Bricker said.

Harris, too, said Obama turned things around Tuesday. But he said it was more of a slight edge, compared with Romney’s more decisive victory in the first debate.

“I think it’s a fairly close debate, and I think they both do a fairly good job of getting the points that they want to across on their main issues,” Harris said.

Both said that Obama shined during a discussion on the attacks in Benghazi, Libya, last month. His serious tone and personal response to Romney’s suggestion that the administration may have misled the public about the attacks made for a strong moment, Harris said.

“I thought he had an aura of being presidential when he took the attitude of, ‘How dare you suggest that I didn’t value this?’” Harris said.

Both also gave Obama points for his criticism of Romney’s tax plan.

But they also said Romney was no slouch, and in a commanding performance earlier this month he had proven himself a skilled debater.

“Romney sounded like he could be a commander-in-chief,” Bricker said.

Harris said that the presidential debates had taken on a different character this year — one that he welcomed. This year’s events have more truly resembled debates, with back-and-forth exchanges and clear differences between the candidates. Past years’ debates, he said, have been closer to “joint press conferences.”

That tone may have been set by Romney in the first debate, he said. For that contest, he said, Obama showed up with prepared talking points, and Romney showed up ready to fight.

“One person was debating, and the other one was giving speeches,” Harris said.

But this time, Harris said, Obama appeared ready to go. And he may have been better suited to this debate’s town hall format, he said, which involved walking across the stage and interacting with questioners.

On Tuesday, Harris and Bricker both said they thought Romney performed stronger on the issue of energy.

Bricker said Obama talked around a question asking if his administration aimed to reduce gas prices.

“His approach to that question probably left a lot of voters wondering why they’re paying more at the pump,” Bricker said.

Bricker said he welcomed the increased back-and-forth seen so far at this year’s debates, as the candidates have accused each other of lying and defended their ground. That’s an improvement on the more passive nature of past debates, he said.

“I think it’s become clear that they don’t like each other very much,” Bricker said.

Harris also said the debates have proved themselves more relevant this year. And he complemented moderator Candy Crowley and the audience participants who asked questions at Hofstra University in New York on Tuesday.

Both Harris and Bricker, though, said that Obama and Romney might both benefit from following some of the rules that a collegiate debater would never violate: staying within their allotted time, and avoiding interruptions of each other or the moderator.

Doing such things likely doesn’t look good to undecided voters likely to base their choice on their general impressions of the candidates as people, Bricker said.

“I think they have a substantial effect on the way the average voter perceives a potential commander-in-chief,” Bricker said.

The candidates, he said, should focus less on having the last word, and more on simply giving the best answer.

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lunacydetector 1 year, 6 months ago

there were too many undecideds before the debates began for obama to win in the end. the last election, there wasn't an incumbent, so the undecideds could go either way. this time it's not the case. the first debate sealed the deal for romney no matter how much the press tries to influence the election for their man obama. it's a lost cause for the democrats.

if you are for obama, you need to realize he won't win.

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donttreadonme 1 year, 6 months ago

A conservative and a moderate and a liberal walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Hi, Mitt!"

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donttreadonme 1 year, 6 months ago

Mitt's fanboys prefer to blame the moderator rather than acknowledge that his constant lying has consequences.

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beatrice 1 year, 6 months ago

I think their mikes should be cut off if they go more than 15 seconds over their alloted time when responding to a question. I also think their mikes should be cut off if they start giving answers that don't relate to the questions asked.

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Bob Forer 1 year, 6 months ago

Photobucket A mean-spirited, spoiled, petulant and whupped Mittens walks away mad. If it had been a game, Mitt would have taken his ball and went home

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Constitutional_Malfeasance 1 year, 6 months ago

Experts at KU huh? Pretty stopped reading there. Experts at Fox News call Romney I suppose and I change the channel there.

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Bob Forer 1 year, 6 months ago

"Binders full of women" - another lie, of course.

What actually happened was that in 2002—prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration—a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

Romney’s claim last night, that he asked for such a study, is false.

Oh, and once he had those binders? He hired women for agencies he then cut the funding for.

There were actually fewer women in executive positions when Romney left office than there were when he started.

That scant man can't tell the truth about anything.

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Trumbull 1 year, 6 months ago

It was interesting watching Fox news after the debate last night. I now think that many of there commentators don't even believe much of what they say. I suppose if you are a television journalist, you take the job.....just like a lot of other workers find themselves in a poor economy.

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JonasGrumby 1 year, 6 months ago

Gallup now has Romney up over Obama 51%-45%. Romney's momentum continues.

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QuinnSutore 1 year, 6 months ago

I think they should make these forums open to more interesting issues, like when are we going to update our national anthem or make a new flag for the 21st century. I think Toby Keith is patriotic enough to pen a good new song.

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 6 months ago

And? Who was responsible for not providing more security for the embassy? That was a queston asked with NO answer. It's a simple one to ask. Surely there are memos with someone's name requesting the security being beefed up? Someone deniied the request? Who? Now Hillary says she is responsible. I do not belive that. She is taking the heat off Obama because he never even knew there was a request.

Wilbur is betting on that one. Obama was the last to know. Romney can't answer the question be cause he was not the President. If Romney had a brain last nite, he would have simply said " Candy, I cannot answer that question as I was not the Commander in Chief and not privy to the request". Next question please.

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 6 months ago

Big deal, KU won some debate , if you will, in 2009. The champion and the coach still respresent the pathetically poor watered down system at KU and other universities. KU was a real debate powerhouse in the 60s. This stuff now is nothing more than a bunch ado about nothing.

The session last nite with Obama and Romney was not a debate. It was a Q& A session. Didn't the public in attendance ask questions? And they were not even answered. Sadly, the last question posed was not answered by either candidate. Neither told what their strengths were, what the public didn't know about them .

This Candy woman should have shut off the mikes and TV coverage when they went overtime.

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Satirical 1 year, 6 months ago

Did anyone else notice that Candy Crowley let President Obama have the last word for 4 of the first 5 questions?

However, in picking the questions, I thought they were much more favorable to Romney. I could nitpick further, but overall I thought she did a decent job.

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Satirical 1 year, 6 months ago

Even if Obama had a slight advantage in this battle (he had to do better than last time), here is why Romney is the real winner...

(1) Romney won on the only issues that really matter in this election - Jobs, Economy, Taxes, Deficit (see CNN poll).

(2) Obama did a better job attacking Romney than in the last debate, but a lousy job laying out his vision for the future, other than "more of the same."

(3) Romney was very effective at framing this election as a referendum on the last 4 years.

(4) Obama wants to make this election as negative as possible and portray Romney as the devil, but Romney again succeeded at showing Americans that he is Presidential, and a person they could be comfortable with in their living room.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 year, 6 months ago

Wow, this has been entertaining, enlightening and educational. No wonder Kansas is such a Brownbackwards-Kobach-Koch reservation. The tea bag soaked kooks and bigots seem to thrive here. So much for "Fly over Kansas"

I think the president did a slam dunk (to use a locally understandable metaphor) on Romney's bony butt, and came through with highly credible plans for the move forward of the country. The haters, "conservatives", and other facists will think differently, but I am very impressed and proud of our President and fervently believe he will win out over the flop flipp, lying and facetous challenger.

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Centerville 1 year, 6 months ago

A huge setback for women. Yesterday the news was full of kvetching about how women only get the puff debates, and never get assigned to the serious presidential debates. Candy Crowley has just shown us precisely why this is true.

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Pastor_Bedtime 1 year, 6 months ago

I'd say that Obama did 100% better this time. Romney ~ about 47% worse.

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Kate Rogge 1 year, 6 months ago

"Bricker said Obama talked around a question asking if his administration aimed to reduce gas prices. 'His approach to that question probably left a lot of voters wondering why they’re paying more at the pump,' Bricker said."

How does the President set gasoline prices? Aren't prices a function of the quantity of refined fuel available to the market, global market price, and state fuel taxes?

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situveux1 1 year, 6 months ago

Shocking. If anybody knows anything about college debate, it's that it's participants and coaches are about as extreme left as they come.

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jazzerman 1 year, 6 months ago

How do we know Obama won last night? Read the fear and wrecklessness being spewed by the righties today. It's great. Obama sewed up his victory last night.

The Republican Party is bleeding to death. Either they reform their antiquated thought process or they never sniff the Oval Office again.

America wins.

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JonasGrumby 1 year, 6 months ago

I have to mention that the J-W's article after the first debate had a KU official saying that he didn't think there was a clear winner. If two KU professors give Obama an "edge" in the second debate, I think it's reasonable to conclude that Romney actually won.

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jonas_opines 1 year, 6 months ago

"This debate really showed me how I could never vote for that guy."

"Was there a point you ever considered voting for that guy?"

"HELL no!"

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donttreadonme 1 year, 6 months ago

"atiopatioo32 minutes ago Even works on Obama voters. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/16/luntz_focus_group_of_mostly_former_obama_voters_switch_to_romney.html"

Ok. Since you believe that was a legit focus group by Luntz, do you also believe that Luntz should be able to marry his partner?

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patkindle 1 year, 6 months ago

more than the usual amount of hate here today

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atiopatioo 1 year, 6 months ago

Obama came out desperate for a win because Candy Crowley was going to eat the loser.

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Trumbull 1 year, 6 months ago

Romney was not specific about what tax deductions he would eliminate. In fact, all he did in his own words "was throw a number out there", saying that everyone will be allowed 25k in deductions. No way could this pay for the 5 trillion cost of the tax cuts. How many of us approach $25,000 in tax deductions each year? This is becoming a common phrase, but the numbers do not add up.

Seems like R's talk about and wish to balance the budget, but tax cuts trump this notion for them most all the time.

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irvan moore 1 year, 6 months ago

the disrespect romney showed to the president and to the woman moderator was the most telling part of the debate for me.

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donttreadonme 1 year, 6 months ago

Romney came off like a used car salesman that will promise anything to close the deal.

I guess that works for some sheeple.

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midwest_muser 1 year, 6 months ago

If these two were compared based on their resume in a blind fashion as most job applicants normally are, Obama's would go in the trash.

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thuja 1 year, 6 months ago

It wasn't the President that killed the economy in '08. It wasn't the President that shipped all of our jobs overseas. It was greedy rich people.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 6 months ago

The biggest, fattest, most absolute "pants on fire" lie of the night? This by Romney.
"I just know that I don't think bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone whether they can use contraceptives or not, and I don't believe employers should tell someone whether they have contraceptive care or not."
"Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives and the president's statement on my policy is completely and totally wrong."
Cross posted from the other debate thread.

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kujayhawk7476 1 year, 6 months ago

The bottom line is "winning" a debate does not equate to being the better candidate for president; neither does "losing" a debate equate to being the lesser candidate. It was one event somewhat controlled (if you can call it that) by a biased moderator.

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atiopatioo 1 year, 6 months ago

Why was Obama so angry? Do the government Experts know if Obama is still recovering from cigarettes, alcohol and pot addictions?

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eljakeo 1 year, 6 months ago

I disagree. I think they both turned out a strong performance, but Obama's uncertainty over his statements following the Benghazi attack (until Candy Crowley started to back him up) was, in my opinion, the only serious mistake that either candidate made. So, I give the (slight) victory to Romney.

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Flap Doodle 1 year, 6 months ago

Results may vary: "...Despite Obama’s slight edge overall, Romney was seen as better able to handle most issues. The trend was most notable in the CNN poll: he had an 18-point edge among registered voters on the economy (58 percent to Obama's 40 percent ); a 3-point edge on health care (49 percent to 46 percent); a 7-point edge on taxes (51 percent to 44 percent); and, largest of all, a 23-point edge on the deficit (59 percent to 36 percent)..." http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/obama-ekes-out-a-win-in-2-post-debate-polls-20121017

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 6 months ago

Face it neither WOMEN nor Republicans nor Democrats nor the Middle class can afford the Republican Party!

--- Women will be getting more republican big government in there lives? It is on the way! http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/05/3849961/joel-brinkley-gop-would-impose.html

Killing Planned Parenthood is NOT an option!

--- Public Education is a strong player in new Economic Growth yet republicans starve the system of funding which starves our teachers of resources. Which starves the desired level of education = stealing from our children’s future.

--- "Rebuilding America's Defences," openly advocates for total global military domination” (Very dangerous position which threatens OUR freedoms and the nations security) http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century

--- The repub party declared the day Obama was elected their primary function would be to make Obama a one term president. Consequently their millions of NO votes became the disastrous campaign against women,The USA and jobs for Americans. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/09/did-republicans-deliberately-crash-us-economy

--- Republicans want to kill PBS and NPR - NO I want my tax dollars to support PBS and NPR

--- Publicopoly Exposed frankly is a threat to Democracy - ALEC http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/11603/publicopoly_exposed/ http://www.justice.org/cps/rde//justice/hs.xsl/15044.htm

--- Killing Social Security Insurance Is Not An Option. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

--- Killing Medicare Insurance is simply not an option. http://www.thenation.com/article/159769/paul-ryans-plan-destroy-medicare

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Dan Eyler 1 year, 6 months ago

Our president is lost. Not a single proposal for jobs, lied about Libya, no plan for jobs, no plan to reduce spending, no plan to cut spending, no plan to create jobs, highest number of people on foodstamps ever, because there are no jobs, highest number of women living in poverty in our nation's history. Incredible that that some want to continue this hopelessness. We need opportunity because hope isn't working.

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geekin_topekan 1 year, 6 months ago

I have no doubt that Romney is the better businessman. Businessmen do not give a hoot about the general laborer, unless they are making money for him--not for each other, not for their descendants, but for the businessman only.

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midwest_muser 1 year, 6 months ago

The mere fact that this election is close is a sign of the trouble America is in. Romney is the most qualified candidate in decades to seek the White House. Obama is arguably the worst president in history, which should come as no surprise given his resume.

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 6 months ago

Hardly experts if they believe what they saw was a debate. There was no debate. It was Q & A session with no questions answered. KU is turning out pathetically poor students if the two dudes think there was a debate.

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