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Editorial: Debate difference

October 14, 2012

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If nothing else (and certainly there were other lasting impressions) Thursday’s debate between the vice presidential candidates teed it up for Tuesday’s second face-off between President Barack Obama and GOP challenger Mitt Romney.

The fact that Thursday’s event had more “show-biz” quality and some genuine testiness — as opposed to the first presidential debate that featured a lethargic, punching-bag Obama — helps to stoke enthusiasm from partisans that the next round might be “must-see” viewing.

By most accounts, the VP debate itself was more or less a draw. Neither candidate significantly messed up and neither scored a knockout. In its wake, Vice President Joe Biden’s smirking, Cheshire Cat grins continue to provide water-cooler and social media comments about the meeting with Paul Ryan, the Wisconsin Republican Congressman who has the No. 2 spot on the GOP ticket. Biden’s animation was one feature (positive or negative, depending upon your party affiliation) that stays top-of-mind in the wake of the 90-minute session.

The debate aside, another memorable point is the setup itself, which featured the two men and moderator Martha Raddatz of ABC News seated at a table. The arrangement seemed to provide a more cosy and intimate setting for a serious discussion. Ryan seemed comfortable in it and by all accounts acquitted himself well. It was a relief from the dueling podiums that have been standard in past debates, and needs to be considered for the future.

And Raddatz, whatever you might think of her attachment to the Obama camp, wasn’t the nonexistent “moderator” that Jim Lehrer proved to be in this year’s first meeting of the presidential aspirants. Raddatz jumped in with follow-up questions and made a solid effort to keep the candidates on point. She also kept things moving.

Tuesday brings another moderator and another style to the candidates’ confrontations. The session at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y., will be moderated by Candy Crowley of CNN News. Crowley, Lawrencians will recall, recently was in our community to receive the William Allen White Award from Kansas University’s School of Journalism and Mass Communications.

The Tuesday confrontation will be a “town meeting” in which undecided voters picked by the Gallup Organization will be allowed to ask the candidates questions. The arrangement is intended to let the candidates have two minutes to answer and then Crowley will have another minute to guide further discussion.

Perhaps it will actually help viewers decide which man would make the better leader for our country, instead of leaving behind less substantive impressions about a grin, a table and a moderator’s style.

Comments

Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

Yes but the testiness left behind a ton of misinformation that was delivered at the speed of light.

That means the republican candidates were lying to their republican supporters. Why would republicans or democrats knowingly vote this misinformation team into office?

On jobs for America.

Romney Receives Tax Rewards for Killing USA Jobs = 170 jobs from one company

While the workers and the town may suffer, Romney himself has done well as a result of Bain's work with the company. According to his recently released 2011 tax returns, Romney transferred $701,703 worth of Sensata stock to the Tyler Charitable Foundation, a 501(c)3 tax-exempt nonprofit controlled by Romney. The gift is listed on page 323 of the pdf, on form 8283 (below).

Moving the stock to his nonprofit brings Romney twin benefits. First, he gets to deduct the full value of the stock. At a 35 percent tax rate, that's nearly a $250,000 benefit. At 15 percent, it's just over $100,000.

Second, Romney is able to avoid paying capital gains taxes on the stock price increase. Romney's returns list no cost for the stock, and indicate he obtained them as part of a partnership interest in Bain. Avoiding capital gains taxes on the full increase would save an additional $100,000. In 2010, Romney gifted $170,000 worth of Sensata stock to his charity, saving $25,000 in capital gains taxes that year.

Cheryl Randecker, a Sensata worker facing an imminent layoff, said, "I could pay off my house with that [$25,000], and he doesn't need it anyway."

Randecker received her 60-day layoff notice shortly after Labor Day. She and other Sensata employees have tried in vain to pressure Romney and Bain to keep their jobs in the U.S., going so far as to create a "Bainport" encampment across the street from their plant in Freeport, Ill. Billed as the "home of the Romney economy," the site highlights what some Sensata workers describe as corporate greed squeezing the middle class.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

--- Romney Delivered 27 Points of Misinformation on some vital concerns such as medical insurance,medicare,Social Security Insurance,public education and jobs. In 38 minutes. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/?mobile=nc

--- Ryan Delivered 24 points of misinformation on many of the same vital concerns in 40 minutes. http://truth-out.org/news/item/12076-at-the-vice-presidential-debate-ryan-told-24-myths-in-40-minutes

Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

--- Both Romney and Ryan want school vouchers. Read the Milwaukee experience and job losses attached to a school voucher system. Yes more job losses by way of republicans.

--- http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/13-0 by Barbara Miner

--- Vouchers were promoted in the 1990s as a way to help poor black children escape failing schools. But that rhetoric has disappeared in Milwaukee. Voucher supporters have expanded vouchers to middle-income families and have made clear they want to make vouchers available to all, including millionaires. Vouchers for poor children was just a first step.

--- For more than twenty years, I have listened to the voucher movement’s seductive rhetoric of “choice” and “parent power.” If I didn’t know better, I might proclaim, “Sign me up today!”

--- Milwaukee, however, has more than two decades of reality-based vouchers. The lesson from this heartland city?

--- Vouchers are a vehicle to funnel tax dollars into private schools. Using the false promise of “choice,” they are an unabashed abandonment of public education and of our hopes for a vibrant democracy.

--- Barbara Miner has been a reporter, writer, and editor for almost forty years, writing for publications ranging from the New York Times to the Milwaukee Journal.

--- The former managing editor of Rethinking Schools, she has co-edited numerous books on education, including Selling out Our Schools: Vouchers, Markets, and the Future of Public Education.

--- Her book Lessons from the Heartland: A Turbulent Half-Century of Public Education in an Iconic American City will be published New Press in January 2013

--- http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/13-0

bd 2 years, 2 months ago

My old grandpappy used to tell me that the one who says the most knows the least!

Looks like the shoe fits!

Tea anyone???

Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

"Biodiversity and forests are critical for the survival of people and the planet, and are thus priceless.

Privatization = looting taxpayers of their money!

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/13

Trumbull 2 years, 2 months ago

I will be disappointed if President Obama does not ask Romney which tax deductions and credits they propose to eliminate. Could it be mortgage interest deduction? Child and dependendent deductions? State and local tax deduction? The Republicans need to be forthright and tell the American people. These deductions mean a lot to lower and middle class.

At-least Obama spelled it out his tax plan four years ago....39% tax rate on income > than 250k. In doing so he was labeled a wealth redistributing Socialist. It would also be nice to see Obama stand up and fight. Not sure why he was so lethargic and passive.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 2 months ago

"..Our researchers have compiled the following list of features that distinguish the free ObamaPhone from a regular cell phone: It automatically rejects calls from people with a different opinion. Every time you take a picture, it produces a grimmer image of America. It doesn't have a plan; it just keeps telling you how bad the other guy's plan is. When it crashes, it blames your previous phone. All 3 AM calls go directly to voicemail. It has a really useless app called "Biden.".." .http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/free-obamaphone-facts-and-fiction-t9728.html

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 2 months ago

Biden to Ryan: "Malarkey!"
Cheney To Patrick Leahy on the floor of the US Senate, 6/36/2004 : "Go &^%$ yourself!"
I think I'll take Malarkey any day.

Enlightenment 2 years, 2 months ago

CNN poll was an extremely small sample (barely over 300) and Republicans outnumbered Democrats in that poll.

notajayhawk 2 years, 2 months ago

I could ALMOST hope that Obama wins re-election, if only it would stop - or at least reduce - merrill's cut-and-paste-frenzy propaganda.

jonas_opines 2 years, 2 months ago

Not a chance.

An ignore feature is our only hope.

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