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Jenkins says Schlingensiepen should apologize to her for comment

October 2, 2012

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— U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Topeka, on Tuesday said she wanted an apology from Democratic challenger Tobias Schlingensiepen for a comment he made when referring to the influence of money in Congress.

Schlingensiepen, a minister from Topeka, ignored Jenkins’ comment, which came during a 2nd Congressional District debate that was taped at KTWU and will be broadcast Oct. 17.

As he has at previous campaign appearances, Schlingensiepen decried the influence of money in Congress, saying a congressional representative can sit on a committee in the morning and then take money from the corporate lobbyist with business before that committee in the evening “over cocktails.”

He said that Jenkins has taken campaign contributions from powerful banks, such as Goldman Sachs and Citigroup, and then voted in their interests.

Jenkins alleged Schlingensiepen was saying she shouldn’t be allowed to accept campaign funds from small banks in the district.

She then said that she didn’t drink alcohol and that her parents were once almost killed by a drunk driver. “I expect an apology,” she said.

Later, Schlingensiepen’s campaign spokeswoman Diane Silver said the point of Schlingensiepen’s comment wasn’t about drinking alcohol, it was about taking campaign contributions from powerful special interests and then voting in their interests.

Libertarian Dennis Hawver, an attorney from Ozawkie, got his first chance to appear on stage with Schlingensiepen and Jenkins.

Hawver said to balance the budget he would cut defense spending by as much as 50 percent and “stop these stupid wars.”

The general election is Nov. 6 with early voting starting Oct. 17.

Comments

audvisartist 2 years, 1 month ago

I for one am appalled. Appalled that politicians are so sensitive and can't handle criticism. I'm also appalled that Tobias Schlingensiepen has a last name no one can pronounce.

chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

Nobody seemed to like the guy with the shortest to spell, easiest to pronounce name.

bad_dog 2 years, 1 month ago

Yes, after all Shling-n-see-pen is soooo difficult. I always defer to the most easily pronounced surname when voting

TheAustrian 2 years, 1 month ago

Not sure where his parents immigrated from, but that name is even tough for a fluent German speaker. And you know the Germans can twist a tongue and cough up a word when speaking.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm not a native speaker, but I used to be fairly fluent, and never found his name at all difficult to pronounce. (I've known him since his college days.)

But I would agree that it is a long and unusual name, even in German-speaking areas.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

Not sure exactly what the relationships are, but I believe these are some of Schlingensiepen's German relatives (and predecessors in the family's pastoral (Pfarrer) tradition.)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_... (article is written in German)

http://www.amazon.com/Dietrich-Bonhoeffer-1906-1945-Thinker-Resistance/dp/0567034003/ref=la_B0034OGV84_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349285499&sr=1-1 (translation of book written by Ferdinand Schlingensiepen.)

http://www.beth-torah.org/calendar.aspx?eventid=1734

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 1 month ago

i do believe that audvisartist is being sarcastic.

Carmalee Winebrinner 2 years, 1 month ago

That's an EASY one! ;)

As a German descendant I had names just as difficult in my direct ancestry. Things like Hobbisiefken, for instance.

2 years, 1 month ago

tobias' campaign manager is absolutely right, don't divert the issue, stay on point

Slowponder 2 years, 1 month ago

Does anyone find it ironic that there are "I Like Lynn" signs around town on empty property?

ksjayhawk74 2 years, 1 month ago

Like the Women for Mitt Romney, shown in this photo

HutchSaltHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Can she ethically place "CPA" on those signs? I thought CPA was reserved for attesting to financial statements or rendering a professional opinion.

Kansass 2 years, 1 month ago

Lynn should give an apoligy to the people of Kansas for dragging out the suffering of our country with her obstructionist buddies.

fiddleback 2 years, 1 month ago

People this asinine don't know the meaning of apology; she clearly lacks not only any sense of shame but probably even basic self-awareness. Otherwise, she'd know that she's insulting the electorate, including her base, with an obvious evasion of a real issue. Her outrage over the phrase "over cocktails" is transparently disingenuous and damningly cynical. Politicians such as Jenkins illustrate that you don't have to be very bright to be a sociopathic scurge.

Jean Robart 2 years, 1 month ago

Tobias S is like so many democrats. Open mouth before brain is in gear. He does indeed owe Lynne Jenkins an apology. But Lynn, don't hold your breath waiting. He knew exactly what to say to push the wrong buttons. He needs to be staying in his church and serving his congregation rather than trying to represent this district in DC.

chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

Meanwhile, Jenkins once said that they were waiting for "a great white hope" to defeat Obama. I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and say she wasn't making a completely idiotic and racist statement.

chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

Did you read what I typed? I gave her the benefit of the doubt. I didn't actually think she was being a racist when she said it, just as I don't think her opponent meant anything nefarious by the specific use of the even more common word "cocktails." I just brought up a reason she's not exactly the best person to cast the first fauxrage stone.

But thanks for jumping to conclusions, NavyVet, and calling me idiotic, racist, and a dolt. It's a threefer of ad hominem land, and that doesn't even get into your strawman argument. Usually the mark of someone without a coherent argument, which makes your closing cliche all the more ironic.

paulveer 2 years, 1 month ago

Oh, by the way, "great white hope" is absolutely nothing other than a racist comment. No other way to interpret it. No way to excuse it.

chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

It's a phrase with racist roots for sure, but modern meaning has removed it. I'll give the average uneducated American the benefit of the doubt for not understanding the history. The average politician should still know better than to use it in the context of a black political opponent. It's just unwise.

paulveer 2 years, 1 month ago

Modern meaning has not removed the racist connotations from this phrase anymore than from the N word. You may give benefit of the doubt to the uneducated if you wish, but I'd rather educate them.

chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

Well, I was going to say that many dictionaries now define the phrase without any reference to race or boxing matches:

S: (n) white hope, great white hope (someone (or something) expected to achieve great success in a given field) "this company is the great white hope of the nuclear industry's waste management policy"

But reading Sagey's comment may have changed my mind. Apparently he heard a whistle.

paulveer 2 years, 1 month ago

Ha ha, kinda like a reverse barometer? BTW choot, I generally like what you have to say.

chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

It's not a phrase I've ever used, but I could see how someone could use it without being aware of the origin. There are white hats and black hats in the computer industry, for instance, and the symbolism is from old Westerns, not race.

I suspect it also depends on whether or not you saw the movie. In Jenkin's case, she would have been 7 when it came out, so I give her the benefit of the doubt.

Liberty275 2 years, 1 month ago

There are also master and slave hard drives.

fiddleback 2 years, 1 month ago

Cry me a river.... So mentioning "cocktails" to suggest cozy relationships between reps and lobbyists is some major insult? That's so utterly facile that any voter with half a brain (and not a voluntary partisan lapdog like "momma") would see right through Jenkins' feigned outrage. Yet another example of how patently stupid and cynical a candidate can act and yet still stay in contention.

Topple 2 years, 1 month ago

Apology for what? He didn't injury her family member drunk driving. People these days think anytime they are offended they deserve an apology. Get over yourselves.

What's funny is that she didn't offer any response to his actual message, only feigned offense over his cocktail comment.

tomatogrower 2 years, 1 month ago

An apology for what? He didn't say anything about small banks, and "over cocktails" is just an expression that means "socializing". Buy a thesaurus.

George_Braziller 2 years, 1 month ago

I wasn't mocking you tomatogrower, I just had the same comment at the same time.

moonflower 2 years, 1 month ago

good grief, once almost something bad happened so now you can't say the word cocktail. that's a lot of wine for a teetotaler. maybe she could use a beer

Ken Lassman 2 years, 1 month ago

Voters beware! Jenkins is on the loose with wild logic that makes so little sense that it is practically impossible to defend yourself against it. She somehow won her seat in the past with such bizarre statements, and seems determined to use the same strategy again.

Schlingensiepen criticizes her for taking from Citigroup and Goldman Sachs, then turning around and voting against more checks and balances in the banking industry and her response is to criticize Schlingensiepen for telling her it's wrong to accept contributions from small bankers???? Wha???

He accuses her for taking contributions from corporations who her committee is responsible for regulating and she replies that he owes her an apology for accusing her of drinking???? Wha????

Either she can't track a line of reasoning any better than a bloodhound with its nose cut off, or she is purposely trying to distract the public away from the topics she is vulnerable on. Either way, voters should be concerned about whether she is capable of being a representative for this area if she cannot or will no engage in an intelligent discussion of the topics facing our country.

Carol Bowen 2 years, 1 month ago

"As he has at previous campaign appearances, Schlingensiepen decried the influence of money in Congress, saying a congressional representative can sit on a committee in the morning and then take money from the corporate lobbyist with business before that committee in the evening “over cocktails.”"

She's got to be kidding. What a ditzy comeback. She should not be representing us in D.C.

Carol Bowen 2 years, 1 month ago

Wilbur, We see eye to eye many times, lately.

Slidell 2 years, 1 month ago

…she didn’t drink alcohol and that her parents were ONCE ALMOST killed by a drunk driver.”

ONCE ALMOST believed Lynn Jenkins represented all Kansas residents. ONCE ALMOST believed Lynn Jenkins wanted change for a better Kansas. ONCE ALMOST believed Lynn Jenkins would not be bought ONCE ALMOST voted Republican

volunteer 2 years, 1 month ago

I agree with Wilbur. If I hear Jenkins whine one more time of how awful it is to try to send a child to college on HER salary...

ayoung85 2 years, 1 month ago

Ok, so Jenkins doesn't drink alcohol...good for her, neither do I. The cocktails that I drink are virgin cocktails....since when do all cocktails "have" to contain alcohol?? Also, a close family member of mine was actually killed by a drunk driver who had 4 other DUI convictions already under his belt.

Schlingensiepen's comment is NOT offensive. Jenkins is just trying to get people's attention away from the topic at hand: her catering to her donor's interests.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

Lynn Jenkins cannot stay focused on the issues that she and her president created for 11 million workers who lost their jobs,then their homes, then their medical insurance then their retirement plans.

The Republican Bush/Cheney fraudulent home loan scheme was detrimental to the entire USA economy in case some have not noticed. Generally employees involved in such behavior would have been fired. Lynn Jenkins simply is not qualified for this position.

Kevin Yoder and Lynn Jenkins should be ashamed of their unacceptable performance. They let Kansas and the nation down. Both deserved to receive employment termination notices aka "pink slips".

Can republican and democrat voters afford republican performance? I don't know how.

In the end big debt and super duper bailouts HAVE BEEN the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

This ENTITLEMENT - Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

This ENTITLEMENT - Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

This ENTITLEMENT - Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

Starting in 2003, George W. Bush destroyed the world economy by encouraging U.S. banks to make loans to those who could not afford them, through schemes such as the "American Dream Downpayment Initiative".

Also through the destruction of oversight, such as lawsuits to prevent state securities laws from being enforced on Bush's watch.

Once Bush's policies led to their inevitable result of economic collapse, the United States found itself in a situation where it had to take on debt in order to simply restore the economy.

2 years, 1 month ago

"she and her president created for 11 million workers who lost their jobs..."

Jenkins was elected in 2008, same as Obama.

That said, she's still a whiner.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

Neither WOMEN nor Republicans nor Democrats nor the Upper Middle Class/Middle class can afford the Republican/RINO Party

Is the market value of your home worth less than your mortgage? How much market value have home owners lost since 2007? Trillions of $$$$.

Let's talk about entitlements that have literally destroyed jobs,economies and retirement plans. And made owning a home a risky investment - now that is remarkable.

DC republicans have been successful at wrecking our economy big time twice in the past thirty years. Because of the pattern I am convinced it is their economic policy established under the direction of Reagan/Bush.

Bush/Cheney accomplished a remarkable achievement by destroying the world economy which of course makes it difficult for the USA to bounce back quickly. The question becomes how in the world did they sucker financial institutions worldwide into buying bundles upon bundles upon bundles of bad USA home loans worth trillions of dollars in bad debt?

What an incredible and criminally insane economic policy? I don't believe the entire world can afford the economically reckless republican party that was born in 1980.

Let's talk about entitlements that literally destroyed jobs,economies,retirement plans. And made owning a home a risky investment - now that is remarkable.

--- This ENTITLEMENT - Bailing out The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist aka home loan scandal sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many $$ trillions (Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion), Plus millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

--- This ENTITLEMENT Bailing out the Bush/Cheney Home Loan Wall Street Bank Fraud cost consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Exactly like the Reagan/Bush home loan scam. Déjà vu can we say. Yep seems to be a pattern. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

--- This ENTITLEMENT - Bush/Cheney implied many financial institutions were at risk instead of only 3? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to American citizens. Where did this money go? Why were some banks forced to take bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

Is the market value of your home worth less than your mortgage? How much market value have home owners lost since 2007?

The fewer republicans the more our properties will become worth and the more likely USA jobs will be reinvigorated

fancy80 2 years, 1 month ago

Come on Lynn, haven't you learned by now....the democrats can say anything they want? Better get some thicker skin if you want to be in politics.

Topple 2 years, 1 month ago

Better take off them blinders before you hurt yourself...

Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

Public Education is a strong player in new Economic Growth yet republicans starve the system of funding which starves our teachers of resources. Which starves the desired level of education = stealing from our children’s future.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 1 month ago

Lynn, you took donations from an industry you regulate. You aren't the Teflon Don. Give it up.

jonas_opines 2 years, 1 month ago

"Either she can't track a line of reasoning any better than a bloodhound with its nose cut off, or she is purposely trying to distract the public away from the topics she is vulnerable on."

I don't think those are mutually exclusive.

kalgarin 2 years, 1 month ago

Oh my how the truth hurts!!!! He is soooo on the money, pardon my pun. HE IS RIGHT!

jonas_opines 2 years, 1 month ago

Yes, do tell us again how . . . adults . . . comport themselves.

Alyosha 2 years, 1 month ago

That you keep referring to a "loony left" shows your complete lack of critical thinking skills and ethical argumentative abililities. Try making an actual, valid assertion, instead of dealing in emotion laden phrases that mean nothing to objective readers and only serve to reinforce the impression that you are nothing but a partisan ideologue.

Liberty275 2 years, 1 month ago

We don't really see protests since their guy won the last election.

One good thing about a Romney win would be getting back the good old timey protests we used to see. It gave the hippies a chance to get some sun. I know they tried the silly OWS stuff, but that was more partying with homeless people than protest.

OTOH, who wouldn't protest a cult member from an order that believes in the prohibition of coffee? Honk for latte!

Fossick 2 years, 1 month ago

When one's campaign devolves into demanding apologies for manufactured offenses, it's obvious that the politician has nothing of consequence to talk about.

Ken Lassman 2 years, 1 month ago

Really??? "marxist" -You mean Kennedy and Johnson, both Democrats, escalated Vietnam against Russian and Chinese communist influence because they wanted to vacation in Saigon?

"choose to kill children in the womb" Unlike Republican Akin, who believe women can do that themselves when faced with rapist impregnation.

"take money from the productive and give it to those who couldn't earn it on their own" - you mean the Republican plan continuing to tax the working class while leaving the super-rich inheritance class whose incomes are based on anything but labor above the fray?

"protest every war" - you mean like the Republicans have done when we supported the overthrow of Gaddhafi in Libya? Or during the Grenada invasion? Or when Clinton sent cruise missles into Afghanistan to destroy Al Quaeda camps well before 911?

"hate our only real source of energy, oil" -that's a bit of a humdinger, considering Obama endorsed the southern leg of the Keystone pipeline recently. Maybe you are suggesting that he shouldn't have cleaned up the fiasco around the corruption from government officials who were literally in bed with oil lobbyists to get deep oil drilling licenses before the BP disaster? Or being against opening up North Slope oil so companies could sell it to Japan and China, not the US?

voevoda 2 years, 1 month ago

"our only real source of usable energy, oil" Really? Not even coal or natural gas? Or water power? Nuclear? And that's not even getting into viable alternative sources, that now provide large amounts of energy in other countries. I wonder, is this comment an example of how much smarter the extreme right is?

voevoda 2 years, 1 month ago

Think really hard now SageonPage. You can't argue my point so you go to some worthless distraction.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 2 years, 1 month ago

The Simpletonians continue to dis the platform of righteous indignation while disavowing the stupidity of their platform. We are lucky that the idiocracy has you as its pitiable and pitifully pious voice. You're perfect in every waste. It's strange that anything but lies fails to resonate in your psyche. Your unconscious mind has overpowered your consciousness while basking in the subconscious rhetoric of thieves. It's clear that you wish to align yourself with the winners of hate and steal the sycophant vibe of your cocktail party. Drink up and spew your bile. Nobody can save you from your chosen gutter of hate, so rest there in your vomit and multiply it in its loaves and fishy spewing of condescension and its thievery made holy in the spirit of indifference. You are the future of your race to subjugate reason. That's a good thing. You and yours will lose everything that you cannot buy with corruption and the enslavement of the populace you so wish to create and enslave. You need a world view suppository and I believe your treatment is at hand....as long as grass grows, wind blows and the sky is blue. It's obvious that you buy into the omnipresent and illicit scheme. If that scheme wins the election, we all will lose. That is all that can be guaranteed. Enjoy your race to doom.

Alyosha 2 years, 1 month ago

"These 'dumb' Republicans keep kicking the straw out of the Super Intelligent Dems (sic)" -- like when McCain beat Obama you mean? Yeah, I remember that.

Liberty275 2 years, 1 month ago

"No yard signs, no mailers, no tv adds"

You seem quite anxious to deprive people of their first amendment rights. Why would you even consider such a thing?

roscoepoet 2 years, 1 month ago

http://www.flickr.com/photos/roscoepoet/8047569601/in/photostream

abandoned, vacant, vapid, vacuous, available, for rent, for sale, for lease, build to suit...our congressperson not at work

beatrice 2 years, 1 month ago

If a political sign falls over in the prairie with no one around ...

Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

This poor representative of a GOP has not altered their agenda since Reagan/Bush. They managed to over throw the GOP now they have access to plenty of tax dollars in which to wreck the economy in an effort to over throw the USA government.

The GOP agenda is not subject to change.

The Republican/RINO party has become irrational and has no solutions to any national problem. Financial scandal and war is all this RINO party has to offer.

RINO's are neither fiscally conservative,fiscally responsible nor socially responsible. The RINO party is simply not republican.

RINO Financial Scandals Sink The USA Economy!

  1. The Reagan/ Bush Home Loan Scandal -- http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  2. The Bush/Cheney Home Loan Scandal -- http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  3. What did Bush and Henry Paulson do with the bail out money? -- http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

  4. Why did GW Bush Lie About Social Security? -- http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

  5. Reagan/Bush Iran-Contra Secret Weapons Deal -- http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/publications/irancontra/irancon.html -- http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/reagan/peopleevents/pande08.html

  6. Other RINO financial dealings -- http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm -- http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4120/we_arm_the_world/

JackMcKee 2 years, 1 month ago

The next time Lynn Jenkins says something intelligent will be the first.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 2 years, 1 month ago

Jeezzz.... Being a hypocrite is HOW you get "friends" with money, Chalky! Well, for most people that works. Stick with it, Rocky. You may be "friended", yet.

...Nah...

ljwhirled 2 years, 1 month ago

Maybe if she was a little less uptight, her husband wouldn't have divorced her the day after the election.

A cup of wine can go a long way toward a relaxing evening.

I don't know, maybe I'm cynical, but I'm suspicious of anyone who talks about "family values" then puts their political career ahead of their marriage.

Or maybe the timing of the divorce was coincidental....

tomatogrower 2 years, 1 month ago

I wonder what banks Lynn considers big? Apparently Citicorp is a big bank to her? Wow. Is she really that dumb? And I'm not apologizing for that question.

Lacy Mohler 2 years, 1 month ago

Plan to vote for Mr. Schlingensiepen. German? He does look like Colonel Klink.

Ceallach 2 years, 1 month ago

Schlingensiepen can't go to DC, he doesn't even whiten his teeth!

JackMcKee 2 years, 1 month ago

How about that deer in the headlights look from Jenkins.

beatrice 2 years, 1 month ago

As someone who enjoys the occassional adult beverage, I am insulted by Jenkins equating all adults who drink with those who would drive drunk. She owes me an apology.

beatrice 2 years, 1 month ago

tange, you really shouldn't be posting while driving.

Alexander Smith 2 years, 1 month ago

Well, Schlingensiepen is right. My brother has been in DC dealing with lobbyist and involved with Congress (he is GOP) and after he read this article flat out said Schlingensiepen is correct and if anyone believes otherwise he has some prime beach property in the Mojave desert

Munsoned 2 years, 1 month ago

"As he has at previous campaign appearances, Schlingensiepen decried the influence of money in Congress, saying a congressional representative can sit on a committee in the morning and then take money from the corporate lobbyist with business before that committee in the evening “over cocktails.”

It appears she jumped to conclusions thinking this statement was only about her. Implied? Perhaps, but more about the entire atmosphere of DC. But, ok, if you want to take credit for it all......

KUAlum88 2 years, 1 month ago

Lynn Jenkins in the poster child for dimwittery.

mr_right_wing 2 years, 1 month ago

This may shock some....

This man owes Mz. Jenkins NO appology...there is no place more currupt than Washington D.C. (I believe it only gets worse the further you move up the political ladder; beit City Commission, School Board, county level, state..etc..) ULTIMATELY Democrats and Republicans have more in common than differences.

I'll vote for Romeny (not completely satisfied with that choice) but whoever does get elected, The Who said it best..."meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

JackMcKee 2 years, 1 month ago

I wish there were some decent Democrats in Kansas. I'd almost vote for a pigeon instead of Lynn Jenkins.

Carmalee Winebrinner 2 years, 1 month ago

What is your definition of a decent Democrat? Serious question.

Ken Lassman 2 years, 1 month ago

I'll tell you why I'm upset: having the official backing of the Republican machine is apparently the only reason she has any chance for being elected at all. If you take away her "Republican" label and replaced it with one of the minor political party labels registered with the state such as the Constitution or Libertarian Parties, folks would write off her wackiness for what it is and not give her the time of day.

Having the right political party label has been a ticket for success in Kansas, and what makes that any better than being in cahoots with the Democrat machine in Chicago, for instance? Republican political hacks in Kansas such as Jenkins are not responsive to the average Kansan, waiting instead for the party memo to see which way they will vote, and it's time we stop being OK with that. There are too many important issues facing our nation for us to be content with such lack of leadership, willingness to cross the aisle to work on building common ground and so on, and when someone who can actually think like Schilingensiepen comes along, Kansans ought to wake up and recognize it for what it is: an opportunity to be represented in ways that go beyond the party line.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

Actually, the 2nd District (although in different configuration) has a history of electing Democrats. That's not to say that Schlingensiepen will win, but it's not guaranteed that Jenkins will win, either.

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