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Dad tries to cut BB from son’s skull with knife

November 30, 2012

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— A 12-year-old Wichita boy is in protective custody after police say his father tried to remove a BB from his skull with a utility knife.

No charges have been filed, but The Wichita Eagle reports police want to know why the 57-year-old father waited a day before taking the boy to a hospital.

Lt. Doug Nolte, a police spokesman, says the boy accidentally shot himself in the head while playing with a BB gun Wednesday.

The father's attempt to dig the BB out with a knife was unsuccessful, and he took the boy to Via Christi Hospital about 24 hours later. Nolte says the injury was not life-threatening, and the boy was taken into protective custody after leaving the hospital.

Comments

asixbury 2 years ago

Are people really that stupid? Yes, yes they are. Seems stupid people are breeding faster--our country's doomed.

RoeDapple 2 years ago

Stitches? Hell, if you gots the old Ka-bar sharpened up you can scrape all the hair away then duct tape it shut. (A 30 second bath in boilin' water and the needle nose pliers will pluck that pellet right outa there!) (Hot bath for the pliers, not the kid)

Bob Forer 2 years ago

When are these idiots going to learn to use the right tool. The book says one should use an Exacto knife, and NOT a generic utility knife, to remove metal objects from a child's skull.

jjinks 2 years ago

The man evidently doesn't know about, or can't afford, a good set of Leatherman pliers with all the needed tools for the operation

Phil Minkin 2 years ago

To quote Jeff Foxworthy: "You know you're a redneck if...

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

Foodboy wrote: To quote Jeff Foxworthy: "You know you're a redneck if...

---dernit! ya beat me to it!

of course, I was wondering ... anesthesia? ... whiskey?

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

^^ police want to know why the 57-year-old father waited a day before taking the boy to a hospital.

... "ocifir, I wuz waitin ta see if it wuz gonna cum out by itselv, or maybee jus go away. hes a biggin boy anyhou. hait ta botherin at tha horspital thar."

Glenn Reed 2 years ago

Y'all're right this is hilarious.

Other people making stupid decisions about health care they may not be able to afford is really funny. The fact that the boy was taken into protective custody based on what very well might be an isolated incident (no indication otherwise in the article) adds to the amusement in a massive way.

Holding these folks up as objects of ridicule is exactly the right thing to do.

Linda Endicott 2 years ago

Not very well versed in the finer points of sarcasm, are you?

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

Holding these folks up as objects of ridicule is exactly the right thing to do.

first, because ridicule is a means of social control as a way of preventing the unwanted harm to children.

second, if you had a little humor yourself, you would know that sad situations are often best dealt with via humor. humor is therapeutic.
note, we are poking fun at ourselves often in this.

now, Glenn, get a life!

Glenn Reed 2 years ago

Gnome,

I take it you've never actually looked at an emergency room bill. That's a number that can be scary to look at, and there's nothing in the article that would suggest that the parent or child was insured. There's nothing to suggest that they had the money lying around for it, either.

If they were to respond immediately by running to the emergency room, should the public pick up the bill for the treatment if they can't afford it? If not, is laughing at those whom you refuse to help really an admirable thing to do?

The other part of the story strikes me as an overreach in public authority. The article had nothing to suggest the injury was something other than an accident. Nor was any enduring risk defined in letting the child go home. Yet the child was taken into protective custody.

Should children be removed from a home because of a simple, one-time accident?

"note, we are poking fun at ourselves often in this." No. No you're not.

DillonBarnes 2 years ago

I speculate the protective custody was not because of the BB accident, but rather the utility knife to the skull.

Kathy Getto 2 years ago

Based on that logic, they should have taken me from my dad when he removed splinters and such with his very sharp pocket knife.

beatrice 2 years ago

So what did you do to get splinters in your head?

Kathy Getto 2 years ago

I will never tell. Too embarrasing.

Kathy Getto 2 years ago

It involved a tree house, a dart gun(rubber-tipped) and a brother...........

beatrice 2 years ago

A brother. I should have known.

Bunny_Hotcakes 2 years ago

POOR PEOPLE LOL. I find it particularly ironic that someone who requires as much (taxpayer funded!) help from others as gnome is laughing at a kid whose dad took a freaking pocket knife to his head rather than take him to the ER.

Kathy Getto 2 years ago

Foul, bunny. Gnome is one of the men in white hats. Disagree with him, but back off the childish name calling.

Bunny_Hotcakes 2 years ago

Show me where I called him a name. His comments on this article are sarcastic and hurtful and his commenting history shows a charming combination of "internet tough guy" and just flatout garbage. I'm aware he has a long history commenting here. That doesn't make him a white hat. I'm sure he's nice enough in person but his commenting persona, such as it is, is repellant.

That 12 year old is somebody's baby, and now he's in pain and has been taken away from his parents due to a combination of tragic factors. But because of his father's bad decisions and apparent lack of adequate health care, this boy and his situation is to be mocked.

And now, due to that old saying about arguing on the internet, I'm done. But you all have fun. Just remember it's at a child's expense.

Kathy Getto 2 years ago

. ".....someone who requires as much (taxpayer funded!) help from others as gnome..." I have no desire to argue, bunny, you could have easily said what you thought without this line, don't you think? I don't expect you to understand the white hat meaning and many posters are " repellant ". It' s healthier not trying to emulate their actions.

FloridaSunshine 2 years ago

Bunny_Hotcakes, if you're going to be making comments on LJW, you must learn that one has to stay out of the line of fire from Kathy. She will mow you down for having an opinion of your own. There are several posters on LJW who will do this to you. BUT, there are a few who make visiting a delight. They make it worth your time.

(Just watch the reactions to this post, Bunny.)

Fred Mertz 2 years ago

I guess BBs to the head isn't covered under Obamacare?

beatrice 2 years ago

It probably is, but it doesn't kick in until 2014.

littleb33 2 years ago

I agree with you Glenn. I'm sure the BB was not in this kids Skull, but rather under the skin on his head. Anyone who has every shot a BB gun would find it Very hard to believe a BB could penetrate the skull. Given the size of the BB, a 1/4 cut into the skin would release the BB and heal in a few days. Definitely NOT the type of case our child protection resources should be wasted on given the real abuse happening every day in our community. Hopefully we are right and this child did not show any other signs of abuse.

rtwngr 2 years ago

I'm going to pose a ridiculous but plausible theory here; Could this have been an attempted suicide? The reason I am asking this is because a 12 year old not smart enough to get away from an adult with a utility knife might not be smart enough to realize that a BB gun would not kill you? Ergo, the "ute", as Vinny would say, was taken into custody by child protective services.

weeslicket 2 years ago

dad: you'll shoot your eye out! kid: no i won't. ...... dad: i guess you didn't shoot your eye out. now hold still.

John Hamm 2 years ago

Now the main question, to me, is, "Was it in the skull or the scalp?" Big difference.

beatrice 2 years ago

He didn't get the BB out, so my guess is it wasn't the scalp.

Linda Endicott 2 years ago

I find it difficult to believe a bb could penetrate the skull...and even if it did, I doubt that would be referred to as a "non life threatening" condition...

Chris Golledge 2 years ago

I'm thinking I've removed a lot of foreign objects with a sharp knife, tweezers, and sometimes needle nose pliers (from myself and others, mostly others as I've gotten older); not sure what would be special about a BB. Wondering if the fact that it was an object shot from something resembling a gun is what set off some individuals.

If it wasn't life threatening, but Dad failed in the attempt, my guess is that wormed under the skin, and over the bone. That would make extraction a little challenging. It would be hard to get to without doing some damage to the skin, which you would be trying to avoid.

Mark Currie 2 years ago

I have shoot through a metal roof on a barn with a BB gun. Some of the pump ups and spring piston BB guns are deadly. But seriously a utility knife? If it was just under the skin, I could see my parents trying to remove it, but that was a long time ago. In the skull is a little different, but I doubt the kid had a pump up or spring piston type. Hope he is ok.

Chris Golledge 2 years ago

Modern ones use compressed nitrogen to store the energy from the 'lever'. They are very efficient and some can push a pellet at .22-like velocities.

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

Okay Glenn, in case you don't know it, it's still the law that hospitals are required to treat the indigent.

clearly this is a case of dad's stupidity.

and bunny, I love you too. you need to check your humor detector dear.
it's pretty clear the kid wasn't in any mortal danger by the article. just the dad's own dumbth.

Glenn Reed 2 years ago

It always strikes me as odd when someone suggests an emergency room's obligation somehow replaces health insurance, or removes the consideration of cost from such visits.

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

OonlyBonly 33 minutes ago

Now the main question, to me, is, "Was it in the skull or the scalp?" Big difference.

---ditto. if had penetrated the skull I think it'd meant a life threatening emergency.

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

Thanks Valkyrie, that's nice of you.

Kathy Getto 2 years ago

Welcome. Immaturity is irritating. Some days more than others. :-)

FloridaSunshine 2 years ago

You got that right, honey!! Condescension is even more irritating.

Kathy Getto 2 years ago

Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader, are your own nature reflected in them.

Mevlana Rumi (1207 - 1273)

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

and regarding seeing humor in this situation, look at the comments under the Wichita Eagle's article. you'll see some there too.


weeslicket 1 hour, 1 minute ago

dad: you'll shoot your eye out! kid: no i won't. ...... dad: i guess you didn't shoot your eye out. now hold still.

=very funny. for we are all told, "you'll put your eye out" etc." lol.

beatrice 2 years ago

What was the child thinking, playing with a BB gun when a perfectly good utility knife was available?

deec 2 years ago

he didn't want to bring a utility knife to a BB gun fight.

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

^^What was the child thinking, playing with a BB gun when a perfectly good utility knife was available?

now Bea, you better cut it out!

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

the dad's failure to remove the object does not mean it was necessarily in the skull, it may only reflect the capabilities of the dad.... or the aim of the knife in his hand. neither article indicates dad's blood alcohol level.

*not Bea's dull knife,

but a *dull dad!

LadyJ 2 years ago

Reminds me of when I was a kid. Evidently going to the dentist was not in the budget. We were given a shot glass of whiskey and told to put the liquid in our mouth and hold it over our tooth for a minute. Then we either spit it out or swallowed it. Wouldn't get away with that now.

RoeDapple 2 years ago

My brother shot my first BB gun at a board leaning against a tree. (I was 11, he was 7) It ricocheted back and lodged into the skin above his eyebrow. You can guess how that was compared to "A Christmas Story".

beatrice 2 years ago

From what I can tell, the odds of a child with a BB gun shooting himself is about 1 in 2. If a brother is involved, it is 1 in 1.25.

yourworstnightmare 2 years ago

Let natural selection run its course. Modern medicine is making us weak and dumb as a species.

MasterOfSparks 2 years ago

It is a HUGE and probably unjustified leap of faith to assume that an emergency ward would have done any better than the father did. At least a third of all doctors are little more than quacks.

A few years ago I got a metal splinter in my foot. I sometimes work with sheet metal in my garage. It was just a little thing but it made it very difficult to walk. Being a diabetic I have had it pounded into my head that any injury to my feet must receive proper care because even little things can turn into big things requiring an amputation. I couldn't twist my leg enough to get the splinter out myself and my wife is very clumsy bless her heat. I didn't have anyone else I could ask but I do have good insurance. So I went to the local urgency care.

The doctor had me lay on my stomach while she took a scalpel and attempted to cut the splinter out. Yes, a SCALPEL! And notice that I said CUT not dig. All I really needed was a nice old granny lady with a sewing needle and a match but nooooo! By the time she was done torturing me she had created a 1" wound a half inch deep and pushed the metal splinter so deep into my foot that she was sending me to X ray to see if they could find it, Which they didn't.

HELPFUL HINT: Some while later my wife also got a metal splinter in her foot. I got an idea that worked out very well. I took a small but VERY powerful magnet and rubbed it over and over on the area where the metal splinter was and managed to work it out the opening where it had entered. No cost and minimal discomfort. A break thru in medical science!

MOS

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

Autie, if you document you're indigent, hospitals, most with emergency departments receive funds they're specifically supposed to use for treating the indigent.

yes it's controversial, most often in this country nowadays those funds go to treat illegal aliens.

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

Right on Mos and Roe.


when I was a teen, I was digging a deep ditch with little brother. he proceeded to sink his pickax into my arm, next to my arm, very close to the elbow narrowly missing blood vessels.

no, this was not kansas (look at my user profile) but we were about 20 minutes from a hospital.

I did not have a "dull knife dad," and instead he knew what to do. it was a saturday, so even the nearby doc's office was closed.

eventually I got medical attention, but dad knowing what to do was what mattered.

it's hard to find that scar on my arm today.

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

when I read the Wichita Eagle's page, I saw in the comments the humor, some concern for the boy and the family, but only here in lawrence do we see the humor impaired politically correct humor police.

James Minor 2 years ago

Obamacare in the future will be considered genius. Individuals without the income to afford medical treatment will be able to be cared for without fear of excessive bills. Some find it humourous that a person had to take someone to the hospital for a botched up at home surgery. Unfortunately, the Republicans are preventing opportunities for reduced health care because of principle instead of the current situation of the economy driven by them!

bearded_gnome 2 years ago

Antonio, your comment doesn't make sense RE the republicans.

and, that's not why the humor.


because of the payment structures and the senseless regulations, obamacare will reduce the number of doctors, and reduce the time docs spend with patients. not good.
obamacare is not insurance, it is another entitlement, one we cannot afford. it supposedly makes healthcare more affordable by taxing medical devices, raising the prices on everything from wheelchairs to tongue depressors to iron lungs. insane.

because of the long list of mandates in it, it is now vastly increasing the cost of private health insurance, as it was apparently designed to do.

Christine Anderson 2 years ago

I believe the dad in this case is a moron. Taking the kid to a dr immediately would have been the rational, responsible, and safest thing to do. Unless the dad happens to be a physician himself, he was putting his child at risk by trying to remove it himself.

I do have empathy IF the dad was reluctant to seek medical care due to lack of health care coverage. But, an emergency is an emergency, and the child's well-being comes first. Yes, I can see a person being scared of the cost of an e.r. visit, but what is that compared to the kind of trauma they are experiencing now- was it really worth it? I suspect this bozo was just too bullheaded and/or lazy to take the child to the dr.

Betty Bartholomew 2 years ago

I could see trying to get a BB out yourself, I would probably try, too, but I don't think I'd wait 24-hours before going to the hospital if I couldn't get it out. Absent signs of other abuse, this really does seem like over-reacting.

LadyJ 2 years ago

Maybe this, from the Wichita paper, will put a different perspective on the story. "Several adults live in the same home as the boy, including the father. Investigators want to know why the injury was not reported right away."

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