Archive for Wednesday, May 30, 2012

15-year-old girl injured while crossing the street near outdoor swimming pool

May 30, 2012


Lawrence police briefly closed Kentucky Street outside the Lawrence Aquatic Center Wednesday afternoon after a pedestrian was injured in an accident about 1:30 p.m.

Sgt. Ted Bordman, a patrol shift supervisor, said a 15-year-old girl ran out of a vehicle stopped in the east lane driven by her sister, 19. The 15-year-old girl crossed the street presumably to go to the pool, 747 Ky. A 24-year-old female driving an Audi in the west lane of the one-way street had a green light and did not see the girl, who ran into the passenger side mirror of the Audi, Bordman said.

The girl was taken to Lawrence Memorial Hospital by ambulance with injuries not believed to be life-threatening. Bordman said the girl was not crossing the street in the nearby crosswalk.

Police had not ticketed anyone as of 2 p.m. Wednesday, and the accident was still under investigation, he said.


lily 3 years, 6 months ago

Be safe everyone. It's always a good idea to look out for the other guy even if you have the right of way.

Jean Robart 3 years, 6 months ago

we can only hope. That was not a smart move.

Avery Pearson 3 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, but all the same, kids do dumb things, and at that intersection, isn't it better to be safe than run over a kid? Jesus...

pace 3 years, 6 months ago

One who reads, "look out for the other guy" as casting blame on the driver is not thinking. I think all drivers and all pedestrians, etc. should look out when they are on the street. What kind of nut say's you should worry about the road in front if you have the green light. mow them down? Goofy driving, but a lot of that in Lawrence. Kids, dogs, grownup, cars, baloon figures, are all out there, The girl was lucky, it sounds like. Youth is heedless,

Madison_Jones 3 years, 6 months ago

Haven't you ever been taught "defensive driving"? When someone says "look out for the other guy", it doesn't mean they are casting blame on the driver.

blindrabbit 3 years, 6 months ago

This crossing has always been an accident waiting to happen, I'm amazed not more often. Kids anxious to get to the pool, with no parking without crossing a very busy Kentucky Street is a set-up for this. I drive it frequently and slow down and go on the alert! Best of luck to the young lady.

At one time, I think The City considered a overhead pedestrian crossing from the Library parking lot!

Stuart Evans 3 years, 6 months ago

This crossing is just fine, especially when it's actually used. This accident was NOT in a crosswalk, and was solely the fault of the teenage girl who failed to utilize basic street crossing intelligence, that every 5 year old knows. The last thing we need is a $100k+ project for a pedestrian bridge.

sounds like she'll be ok, and hopefully this is the last lesson that she'll have to learn the hard way.

Angela Heili 3 years, 6 months ago

I agree. There is a reason there are crosswalks. We don't need to spend $100k+ because people won't exercise common sense. I'm sure she'll pay much better attention next time she goes to cross the street.

imastinker 3 years, 6 months ago

This is the same city that is spending 18m on the library to add 20k square feet. A pedestrian bridge would have to cost a minimum of a million or two.

GUMnNUTS 3 years, 6 months ago

That poor Audi. Hope it recovers fast!

57chevy 3 years, 6 months ago

What was she thinking? Walking across a street? Silly child! In kansas, streets are for cars and Trix are for kids.

Irenaku 3 years, 6 months ago

Goodness...I was driving in East Lawrence last weekend, past Hobbs park (I think that is what is called..where they have softball games on the weekends) and I intentionally slowed to about 15 mph because there were kids around. Sure enough, this little kid, probably about 4 or 5, ran out in front of me to get to the other side of the street. No adults present, of course, and his older siblings were laughing about it. Almost gave me a heart attack...

gatekeeper 3 years, 6 months ago

So often that's students. On campus, people have the right of way and for some reason they seem to think that's the rule on city streets.

tanaumaga 3 years, 6 months ago

Not very good judgement on the driver either....domino.

Jean Robart 3 years, 6 months ago

what do you mean? should she not have driven on Kentucky ? She did nothing because of bad judgement.

JackMcKee 3 years, 6 months ago

Do I even need to point out the obvious

John Kyle 3 years, 6 months ago

That you're an wrong most of the time?

Angela Heili 3 years, 6 months ago

"That you're an wrong most of the time?" That doesn't even make sense.

Stuart Evans 3 years, 6 months ago

I sense that queequeg changed it from "that you're an (expletive)..." to "that you're wrong..." and forgot to remove the 'an'

Liberty275 3 years, 6 months ago

I hope she completely recovers. Regardless of who is at fault, that's all that matters right now. We can bicker about guilt later.

jonas_opines 3 years, 6 months ago

But where would we be if we couldn't endlessly bicker about guilt or blame?

Madison_Jones 3 years, 6 months ago

Some people that comment on these obviously have no sympathy. Sure, it might have been a stupid move not crossing at the cross walk, but someone still got hurt. And so did her family and friends. She is one of my good friends. My other friend and I were waiting at the pool for her. we went to the bathroom, came back and saw the ambulance, not knowing what had happened, and not realizing that the girl talking to the cop on the other side of the fence, was her sister. about 20 minutes later, my friend recieved a call from our friend's sister. She was balling. My friend only looked over to me and said "it was __!" Right then, my friend started balling. She had just heard that her best friend since 2nd grade was just hit by a car. earlier, someone we know had told us that there was a girl who got hit by a car and lost her arm. We didnt really believe this, but once we found out our friend had been hit, we didnt know what to believe. We didnt find out what exactly her injuries were for at least another hour. during that hour, we were both shaking the whole time. We had no idea if she was going to be okay. now, we know that she has no broken bones, but they are checking her head. So for anyone else that wants to comment on this and say how stupid she was, just don't. There was an ACCIDENT. And people are hurt. It was an emotional day and no one needs your negativity.

Celibugg10 3 years, 6 months ago

that doesn't matter. She was hurt. Yes she should have looked and used the cross walk. But don't call my friend stupid thanks(:

Madison_Jones 3 years, 6 months ago

If you dont know, no one on here needs to tell you. If her family decides to release a name, thats their business. But if you dont know already, its probably none of yours.

Madison_Jones 3 years, 6 months ago

that doesn't mean anyone needs to call her stupid.

Leslie Swearingen 3 years, 6 months ago

I am sorry your friend was hurt . Please don't take all of these comments to heart. Believe it or not it is probably not even personal just someone venting because they had a bad day and now have a target. We all make mistakes. I know I have tried to be careful crossing the street and had a car come at me out of no where or at least it seemed that way. There are drivers who don't take crosswalks seriously and just sail on though without a look. I hope this driver learned to be more alert the next time she is driving especially at a place where it is obvious there are going to be people running back and forth. Since the crossing is in the middle of the block it is even more dangerous.

mom_of_three 3 years, 6 months ago

and dont forget that the child wasn't using the crosswalk, according to the article and the other car had a green light. Pedestrians, especially the Teenage variety need to remember to think.

gphawk89 3 years, 6 months ago

"I hope this driver learned to be more alert" If someone is going to run into the side of your car it really doesn't matter how alert you are. Same thing happened to me once. I saw a kid running full speed intending to cross the street in the middle of a block. I was alert enough to hit my brakes hard and came to a complete stop before the kit smacked into my passenger-side door hard enough to make a large dent. What more could I have done?

Angela Heili 3 years, 6 months ago

No one is saying that your friend is stupid. What she DID was stupid. We ALL do stupid things, it's just most of us don't do things that will endanger our lives. There are rules of the road for drivers as well as pedestrians for a reason. As drivers we are to give the right of way to pedestrians "on the crosswalk". We have all kinds of things to watch out for....other drivers texting and talking on the phone and not staying in their own lane...watching out for parked vehicles on the side of the road, hoping the driver doesn't open their door as you're driving past...critters running through the road...bicycle riders...and driving past the swimming pool we have to watch for LITTLE kids running in the street because they aren't old enough to learn not to do that and they slip away from their parents.

Your friend is old enough to know better than to run out in front of a vehicle. There is a reason pedestrians are supposed to use the crosswalk. It's the safest place to cross where drivers will see them. Make eye contact with the driver before crossing to ensure the driver sees you. These are all things that everyone should know, as some have posted, above the age of 5. At 15 she should be learning to drive and should know that a driver's reaction time is only so fast.

Was the crosswalk too far down the street for her to "waste time" getting to? I don't know, how valuable is her life? Isn't it worth a few extra moments to practice some common sense and have a little integrity and do the right thing despite the fact people in authority weren't there to make sure she did the right thing? Life is too short to be in a hurry and risk life threatening injury. I've known of many people who were killed because of things that could've been avoided had they just slowed down and engaged their brain. It's not worth being in a hurry if all you're doing is hurrying to the grave.

Also let's think about the driver for a moment. Don't you think it was a horrible thing for the driver to see someone being hit? People go to therapy to deal with things like this because it's a horrible thing to inadvertently injure another human being, especially a child. Sometimes we don't think past our noses and think only of ourselves when there are other people out there besides ourselves that we need to think about. How does the driver feel knowing that a child ran out in front of him/her and he/she couldn't stop fast enough to prevent a collision? Our actions effect others and we always need to think about that. We are ultimately responsible for our own actions. If we expect everyone else to fix our problems, they are never going to be fixed and we will continue to act with ignorance. Learn from the mistakes and grow up to be a much more knowledgeable young adult. I've made MANY mistakes during my life, and with each one I make it a point to take away a little more knowledge to pass on to my children.

angelsunwall 3 years, 6 months ago

I don't think anyone could have said it better. Wonderful post!

Jean Robart 3 years, 6 months ago

You need to change your picture too. It is in extremely poor taste.

James Minor 3 years, 6 months ago

Pedestrians have the right of way and the right to have common sense. I was driving to work one day and a runner instead of giving way because I was at the intersection first never stopped and ran in front of my car. If I wasn't driving carefully I could have hit that person. Sounds like this young lady was caught up in the excitement of going to the pool and made an honest, unententional mistake. The runner I encountered was a dumb donkey asking for an injury.

John Hamm 3 years, 6 months ago

Pedestrians do not always have the right of way. They do when they are in a crosswalk and the walk sign is indicating walk. When they are in a marked crosswalk (ie the ones downtown) without traffic control. When they are in a crosswalk crossing with a green light (not a red light - a green light). Pedestrians do NOT have the right of way in the middle of the block or where there is no marked crosswalk. When they are crossing against a walk/don't walk signal or are crossing the street in a crosswalk against a red light. This young lady, I am sorry for her injuries, was not in the crosswalk, exited the vehicle from the passenger's side and ran across the street into the automobile. The driver of the vehicle had the right of way and (I'm guessing here) probably did or could not see the pedestrian until it was too late - I conclude this because the pedestrian hit the side of the vehicle at the passenger's rear view mirror area.

boltzmann 3 years, 6 months ago

Actually, a crosswalk doesn't have to necessarily be "marked", Any point at which a sidewalk is interrupted by a street is an implied crosswalk and has the same rules as a marked crosswalk in the state of KS.

Excerpt from Chapter 8, Article 14 of the Uniform Code of Kansas.....

"Crosswalk" defined. "Crosswalk" means: (a) That part of a roadway at an intersection included within the connections of the lateral lines of sidewalks on opposite sides of the highway measured from the curbs or, in the absence of curbs, from the edges of the traversable roadway; or (b) Any portion of a roadway at an intersection or elsewhere distinctly indicated for pedestrian crossing by lines or other markings on the surface.

bearded_gnome 3 years, 6 months ago

dunno if Audy makes any of those killer quiet cars but Nat'l Highway Traffic Safety c. recently reported that quiet cars are 50% more likely to be involved in accidents with pedestrians, compared with the old fashioned eeeeevil autos.

sound cues pedestrians.

chocolateplease 3 years, 6 months ago

There were 3 people that we know of who could have contributed to what happened. It's possible that the driver was speeding and not paying close attention. Nobody should drive through that area when the pool is open without extra caution. Maybe the older sister told her to get out of the car. Who of us has never jaywalked? Who's to say this girl didn't look out of the car, see nobody, and think she could make it? I'm not saying that she doesn't bear the responsibility. It's just that we don't know all the facts.

I'm just so glad that she wasn't killed, and I hope that her injuries aren't severe. Best wishes to the family.

Madison_Jones 3 years, 6 months ago

Were you there? I don't think so. Assigning blame is not something that needs to be done. Regardless, her sister feels bad, she is hurt, and the driver probably feels bad. It doesn't matter whose fault it was. Blaming someone isn't going to change what happened.

chocolateplease 3 years, 6 months ago

So Solomon, if you are driving 60mph and texting, as long as you have a green light, nobody can blame you for hitting someone? That would be silly!

And Madison, with all due respect, blame will get assigned by the police and especially by the insurance companies as they haggle over who pays for what damages and medical bills. And it DOES need to get done. But I agree with you 100% that for people posting comments here it is absurd to think we can determine where the blame belongs.

Madison_Jones 3 years, 6 months ago

I totally agree with what you said to Solomon. But I'm not saying the police and insurance companies shouldn't investigate and figure out who is at fault. I was just saying that most, if not all, of the people on here didn't see it or know exactly what happened so they shouldn't be the ones trying to blame someone.

gatekeeper 3 years, 6 months ago

But you didn't see it either. You are taking the word of others, just as people on here are taking the information from the article and using it.

Pot, meet kettle.

Madison_Jones 3 years, 6 months ago

i'm sure her sister already feels bad enough.

Celibugg10 3 years, 6 months ago

Alright listen, this girl has been my best friend since i was 6. Her and I have been through everything together. And the fact that you people are calling me best friend stupid bothers me, shes family to me. Remember that saying our parents always told us? "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all." Ring a bell? And then there are people saying "I hope the car recovers fast" yeah well no one needs your smart ass comments. What matters is that a girl- my best friend- was hurt. A car doesn't matter, a person matters. How would you feel if your daughter got hit by a car and people we're calling her stupid and saying "i hope the car is aright" Honestly that would break my heart. Therefore your rude comments can go somewhere else.

angelsunwall 3 years, 6 months ago

I am very sorry your friend got hurt. Although many of the posters on here show no tact I do believe some have. It is a terrible unfortunate event that happened to your friend and it sounds like there are some factors that may have contributed to the fact that this accident happened. The crosswalk and the drop off lane are definitely more safe than stopping in the middle of the street. If as the story states the driver had a green light it is not her fault if she was not exceeding the speedlimit and she honestly may not have seen your friend until your friend ran into the side of her car. I am sure your friend was very excited to meet you at the pool and maybe forgot that she should take some extra precautions in crossing the street. I would like to assume that the young lady driving the car was extremely upset. People assume that it is always the drivers fault when sometimes it is not or it is just an unfortunate accident. I wish your friend the best but I hope their are some lessons that everyone learns from this. One of them to be much more careful and aware of what is around you.

Leslie Swearingen 3 years, 6 months ago

I agree with you. The driver should have seen the parked car and realized that someone was getting out. I doubt that your friend was obscured by the car so that the driver did not see her. I bet the driver turned the corner and got there at the same time your friend was crossing so that is why she did not see the approaching car until it was too late. The same thing has happened to me. No cars in sight until I get out into the street and then, bam there it is. I hope your friend does not know about all the people making fun of the accident. She just needs people around her to support her. I am sure there are those of us who would love to send her a card or flowers, but of course, that may not be possible. I am glad that she has such good friends as you to help her.

jonas_opines 3 years, 6 months ago

Cellibug: I know you're tempted, but never, Ever read comments on stories that you have a personal connection to.

It may seem like your friend is being singled out especially, but she's not. Any time anything happens to anybody and the story is put up here, this is what it's like.

Just stay away, no good will come from your involvement here. And tell your friend not to look as well.

I hope your friend gets well quickly.

Celibugg10 3 years, 6 months ago

i wasnt planning on getting involved in it, i heard that people were talking about her in a bad way on here, so all i came here to do is stick up for her.

jonas_opines 3 years, 6 months ago

Fair enough, just understand that it's been tried many, many times before, and it never makes a single bit of difference.

Leslie Swearingen 3 years, 6 months ago

observant you should be ashamed of yourself and your mama for not teaching you any better. Friends stick up for each other and have each others backs, too bad you didn't have any, so you wouldn't know about that.

pace 3 years, 6 months ago

That is one interesting street to cross. I was stopped one day for 4 little kids and what seemed to be a teenage sister, the guy behind me pulled into the other lane and it was close. I too almost had a heart attack. I know it is extreme, but since the majority of parking is across the street, maybe a rail road type crossing bar. Extreme but so is looking a child on the pavement.

0live 3 years, 6 months ago

The important thing here is to be glad that everyone is okay. As someone who witnessed the accident, if it wouldn't have been the Audi, it would have been an other car. There was nothing the driver could or should have done differently, she was not speeding, and immediately stopped and called the police. I would probably stop looking on here though if you're expecting a pity party for your friend. We are glad that she is doing okay, but you have to realize that other people were effected by this as well.

Celibugg10 3 years, 6 months ago

we weren't looking for a pity party sorry to disappoint you. We were sticking up for her thats all.

Nugzie 3 years, 6 months ago

If only her parents had told her to look both ways...

Leslie Swearingen 3 years, 6 months ago

As a parent I know how much I love a total stranger telling me what I should have done or not done in a given situation. I hope her parents are supporting her and giving her love. That is the correct way to deal with people such as you Nugzie, deflect your bad will with good will and have family and friends draw close together. The fire of love beats back the dark.

jonas_opines 3 years, 6 months ago

I think the convenient forgetting is probably due to the fact that for most of us we only survived our childhoods by chance, and we know it on some level.

And for those that didn't their life was so boring that they'd like to forget it anyway.

GUMnNUTS 3 years, 6 months ago

Take the car to Eveland Brothers in K.C. They might be expensive but the work is fantastic.

gatekeeper 3 years, 6 months ago

Yes, the 15 year old was at fault for taking off across the street, but her sister is more to blame. Stopping in the middle of the street to dump her sister off??? There is a drop off lane and she could have also gone onto 8th St and pulled up at the side of the pool and dropped her off.

I see people quite frequently stop near the pool, in the driving lanes, tie up traffic to drop off their kids. In this situation, both kids made dumb moves and the sister was following basic traffic laws.

blindrabbit 3 years, 6 months ago

Regardless of fault in this instance; the City made a big mistake years ago when they decided to place the pool in the location where it is. Bad location, too much traffic, too close to businesses (including Library, Post Office, Fire Station and Senior Center), too little parking!!! Should have gone to Centennial Park, more open space, much less traffic, more parking, less residental and business issues. I'm sure someone will jump my posting because of remote location at Centennial with regard to access, but!!

SofaKing 3 years, 6 months ago

That entire block should be closed to cars Memorial Day to Labor Day. Cars traveling too fast, little kids, parents with arms full of stuff, strollers, chlorine in yer eyes, a red light that drivers aren't really expecting, logjams, cars pulling out from the drop-off lane, cars backing up from the parking spaces. It's way too chaotic.

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