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Brownback says tax cuts will help the economy; critics say it will damage Kansas

May 19, 2012


— Gov. Sam Brownback on Saturday said the tax cut he has vowed to sign will stimulate the economy, but a bi-partisan chorus of critics say it will crater schools, social services and public safety.

Gov. Sam Brownback speaks with state Rep. Mitch Holmes, R-St. John, on Saturday.

Gov. Sam Brownback speaks with state Rep. Mitch Holmes, R-St. John, on Saturday.

"I think we are going to be in good shape," Brownback said.

The measure to reduce personal income tax rates and eliminate taxes on non-wage income to nearly 200,000 businesses would cut $4.5 billion in state revenue over six years. Budget deficits have been projected as early as next year, growing to $2.5 billion in 2018.

The reduction in revenue on a state budget that spends approximately $6.2 billion in tax revenues per year will have devastating consequences, critics of the bill said.

"The fact of the matter is the governor has got his way on the tax discussion, and the state is going to be facing enormous deficits for the next several years," said House Minority Leader Paul Davis, D-Lawrence.

Brownback, a Republican, met briefly with the House Republican caucus to congratulate them on its work during the 2012 session. Brownback said as he was walking to his car Friday evening, a man in front of him yelled, "We need jobs." Brownback said, "This tax bill will create the jobs that he is yelling for."

A group called Traditional Republicans for Common Sense, composed of more than 55 former legislators, called on Brownback to veto the tax bill.

“We support tax cuts and have voted for a number of them over the years, but you have to pay for them and roll them out responsibly," said Rochelle Chronister, a former assistant House majority leader and chair of the Kansas Republican Party. "The governor’s tax plan does neither. Instead, it smacks of Washington-style irresponsible spending that places us on a dangerous path, which will have future generations paying for this mistake," she said.

But Brownback said he believes the Kansas economy is performing well and the state is expecting to get more revenues from gaming and severance taxes.

He compared the proposed tax cuts to Reagan-era tax cuts, which he said produced "20 years of sustained economic growth."

Asked if he wanted the Senate to re-consider a proposal that would phase in the tax cuts over a longer period of time, Brownback said, "If they want to, that's their choice," he said.

Senate Minority Leader Anthony Hensley, D-Topeka, said the tax cuts will ruin the budget. "We are not in the business of bankrupting the state of Kansas, and if he signs that bill that is a fiscal Armageddon."


Alyosha 4 years ago

We've tried this for 40 years and now have dreadful unemployment.

The goal of tax cuts isn't to create jobs -- because history shows tax cuts do not create jobs. The real goal is simply to starve government of funds so that it cannot protect normal citizens from the power of Brownback's corporate backers.

Kansans, you are being conned.

Mike1949 4 years ago

As an Independent, I am sitting her wondering, who the Republicans are going to blame as Kansas goes down the drain. This is all the Republican's doings. KANSAS IS BEING DESTROYED BY REPUBLICANS AND THEY HAVE NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME!!!!!!!!!!!

If I wasn't saddened so much because my home state is being destroyed, I would be laughing my rear end off. Then it dawned on me as the history of Republicans always blames the other guy for their failure or come up with some kind of excuse, this time they have NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE EXCEPT OTHER REPUBLICANS TO BLAME FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF KANSAS! Kind of gives you a sick feeling, doesn't it?

Crazy_Larry 4 years ago

There's so many of us There's so many of us There's so many There's so many of us There's so many of us There's so many [x2]

Let's have a war So you can go and die! Let's have a war! We could all use the money! Let's have a war! We need the space! Let's have a war! Clean out this place!

It already started in the city! Suburbia will be just as easy!


Let's have a war! Jack up the Dow Jones! Let's have a war! It can start in New Jersey! Let's have a war! Blame it on the middle-class! Let's have a war! We're like rats in a cage!

It already started in the city! Suburbia will be just as easy!


Let's have a war! Sell the rights to the networks! Let's have a war! General Motors get fat like last time! Let's have a war! Give guns to the queers! Let's have a war! The enemy's within!

It already started in the city! Suburbia will be just as easy!

JackMcKee 4 years ago

they will blame Sebelius and the moderate Republicans.

pace 4 years ago

I think the we he is referring to is him and his cronies. corrupt.

costello 4 years ago

I agree. That is exactly what he meant. He and his friends are going to be in good shape.

Katara 4 years ago

I think he is using the royal "we".

usnsnp 4 years ago

Brownback is banking on the Republicans winning the Presidency, then he hopes he will be picked for some cabinet job. If he does not he will find some group of people to blame the failure of his policies on. Brownback is like most politicians, they will never take responsibilities for mistakes they make. Good luck kansas.

Mike1949 4 years ago

Your so right! He will find somebody else to blame. That is how the conservative politicians work. We've seen it in the past, will see it in the near future. In the mean time, thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Kansans will be hurting in the worst way for this man's actions. I wonder how many suicides will result from his actions? Let's face it, thousands of people are going to be left out in the cold with no way to get shelter. There may be even deaths over his actions because people have no where to turn to.

But this man is dumber than a sack of hammers, and I bet he will have no problem sleeping at night!

JackMcKee 4 years ago

This is one that will follow Brkenback to his grave and beyond. This will be his legacy.

JackMcKee 4 years ago

Tourism and natural rescources.

chootspa 4 years ago

Firstly, the Tax Foundation is a Koch group. Secondly, the states survive by shifting the income tax burden to other sources. Tourism and natural resources, as JackMcKee points out. In the case of Kansas, we lack both of those industries, so we'll just have to pile it onto property taxes.

chootspa 4 years ago

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JackMcKee 4 years ago

yep, and guess which counties and municipalities are least able to absorb these shifting costs? Rural Kansas, that's where. I hate to call them dumb hay seeds, but they're the ones largely responsible for this disaster.

Kate Rogge 4 years ago

They've seen cuts to schools, loss of public health services, and job losses for a long time now. Maybe they think its high time the rest of us see what that's like? If they're supporting Governor Brownback's radical cuts to taxes, public education, and government services, then they're doing it knowing that the central and eastern counties will now lose the services the western counties lost long ago.

Joe Hyde 4 years ago

"I think we are going to be in good shape,"...the pilot announces to his passengers while donning a Golden Parachute, confident that once the fuel tanks are empty he can eject when the plane spins into freefall.

4getabouit 4 years ago

Brownback always takes the credit. Responsibility and blame are for the common folk. Wingnuts like Brownie never take responsibility. Name the last time any one of them took ownership for the messes they created.

I'm surprised he hasn't bragged about how well he married. His bright economic future is assured given the vast riches of his bride. Who, by the way, is a nice person.

JackMcKee 4 years ago

Brownback said as he was walking to his car Friday evening, a man in front of him yelled, "We need jobs."

And the two middle fingers pointed up to the sky were the man indicating that there was no limit to the number jobs that Sammy's plan could produce.

tir 4 years ago

This is insanity! I thought that it was illegal to pass legislation in Kansas that would create a deficit. What happened to the Pay As You Go rule? Why can Brownwhack and Company ignore the very rule the Repugnicans themselves created? This proposed tax cut legislation does not guarantee that jobs will be created by cutting taxes, because it does not include any requirements that the businesses that receive tax cuts use them to create jobs. Brownwhack is flat-out lying to people if he promises them these tax cuts will create jobs and/or increase state revenues to pay for the tax cuts. The only things that are certain is that this bill will create a deficit that will have to be filled with HUGE budget cuts or property tax increases, the rich will get richer (because that's the whole point of the legislation, of course), and the rest of us will pay for it one way or another.

Crazy_Larry 4 years ago

Because noone has held their feet to the fire, let alone the rule of law.

Crazy_Larry 4 years ago

Tax cuts for the poor and middle class, and tax increases on the top 1% will help the economy. Watch and learn, Brownback et al.:

Crazy_Larry 4 years ago

May 15, 2012 - Workers at Jostens plant in Kansas mull their futures after company says jobs moving to Tenn.

c28438 4 years ago

Here is the relevant sentence in the link above:

"Union president Mike Vannordstrand..."

They are moving to TN to get a non-union workforce, not to avoid KS.

2 things that drag on business: government and unions

Phillbert 4 years ago

He compared the proposed tax cuts to Reagan-era tax cuts, which he said produced "20 years of sustained economic growth."

Not only is our Governor ignorant of economics, he's ignorant of history, even of his party's own beloved President Reagan.

Reagan passed tax cuts early in his administration. They cratered the budget (sound familiar?), so he then raised taxes. Not enough to avoid more than a decade of deficits, of course. Those only went away under Clinton.

Of course, Kansas can't run deficits, so hopefully nobody in the state needs any schools, universities, roads, prisons, law enforcement, or health care these next few years...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years ago

"Not enough to avoid more than a decade of deficits, of course. Those only went away under Clinton."

True enough, but let's not pretend that the reductions in the deficit didn't come as a result of rather hefty penalties for being poor, or that it wasn't Clinton's Wall Street financial team that, along with their allies, Republican and Democrat in congress, who laid the foundation for the collapse of the world economy in 2008 (and, yes, I agree that BushCo deserve at least as much credit for that collapse as Clinton, et al.)

c28438 4 years ago

Reagan's tax cuts did NOT crater the budget, his (and the Dem legislature's) SPENDING did that.

In fact, revenues to the Federal government rose every year he was in office from $517 billion in 1980 to $991 billion in 1989.

There is truth in "supply side" economics; the problem is that our congress has not been disciplined enough to avoid the enormous temptation to buy votes.

Jayhawk1958 4 years ago

Can our great Governor share any stats and research on how many of these "new jobs" will be created? Or is it just a blanket pie in the sky statement?

Jayhawk1958 4 years ago

And why would they hire when they've figured out how to do more with less? Show me some evidence that this has been done on a scale that makes a difference.

Jayhawk1958 4 years ago

Further, you critize Obama for creating jobs. At least he has stats to back it up.

Jayhawk1958 4 years ago

What do you mean they don't count. They're still jobs. More then Bush could do.

Geiiga 4 years ago

To be fair, Obama hasn't created particularly many government jobs -- public sector employment is down since he took office and federal spending has stagnated. All the jobs Obama has created are private sector.

Jayhawk1958 4 years ago

Any job is better then no job. I mean yes by God, let's not do anything to help out our citizens who are already paying taxes!

JackMcKee 4 years ago

The Federal Government has shrunk considerably since Obama took office. At least get one thing right.

c28438 4 years ago

Would this be similar to "jobs saved or created" from the Obama admin?

If so, save everyone some time by not releasing this pie in the sky type stuff.

Jayhawk1958 4 years ago

Time to leave the state while you still have the chance....

costello 4 years ago

Actually I think it's too late. How do I sell my house? Half the houses along my road have 'for sale' signs in front of them and have had for up to a year. To leave the state I have to abandon a nearly paid for house and half my "wealth" (such as it is).

chootspa 4 years ago

And I expect it will get worse as property taxes go up. We didn't see the foreclosure crisis other areas saw. I think we'll see it now.

Liberty275 4 years ago

I feel your pain. We are just resigned to sitting tight another 15 years until the housing market improves then selling and getting out of this podunk little cornfield state.

It will be nice to be rid of this state income tax foolishness once and for all too. In the meantime, I applaud any and all tax cuts at the local, state and federal level.

I just went out to grab a coffee, $4.50, and worth every dime. I passed by a school that had 6 (six) police cruisers, six cops and at least two radar guns. I understand the need to enforce speed limits in school zones, but when we can send six cops to do it on what is at best a tertiary street it is obvious our police force is larger than we need. One cop with a radar gun is OK. Two is wasteful, six is a slap in our faces.

If we have enough cops for something like this, cut the force and cut my taxes.

JayhawkFan1985 4 years ago

Brownback will burn Kansas before he is through. Mark my words.

chootspa 4 years ago

He's practicing his fiddle as we speak.

JackMcKee 4 years ago

Anyone else notice that Sam looks a lot like a drunk frog?

JackMcKee 4 years ago

I'm all over the Internet. You just have to know where to look.

It's hard to imagine a dumber looking person than Sammy but why don't you give it a shot CS. If your posts are any indication we could be in for a real treat.

Crazy_Larry 4 years ago

Brownback always looks like he's high on something....glassy-eyed kermit the stoner. Hey Sham! Have you ever heard about James Madison, father of our Bill of Rights? I have a great quote from him you might like:

"Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." [James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance, addressed to the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia, 1785]

Crazy_Larry 4 years ago

You're on to me now! Watch and learn. Big surprise, in my drunken stupor I failed to hit the reply button in response to JackMcKee. Whoop!

And just how is quoting from James Madison Xtian bashing? Skin feeling a little thin this morning, is it? The truth hurts? Ah well, the Sabbath always brings out the defensive side. Doesn't it, Xtian? Do you think Xtianity has redeemed itself since James Madison's time?

Shall I really start bashing you today, Xtian? Would you like that? Because I can do that without equal. Here's a little story I like to call: Jesus and the Fisherman:

anotherview 4 years ago

Why is Brownback going to Wichita to sign this bill? Is it because the Koch brothers live there?

WilburM 4 years ago

Quote: "Brownback, a Republican, met briefly with the House Republican caucus to congratulate them on its work during the 2012 session. "

What? Congratulate them on the worst legislative session in memory? This is totally whacked. No redistricting maps approved. A grossly irresponsible tax cut passed. And he congratulates them? We really have stepped into an Alice-in-Wonderland setting. this is nuts.

costello 4 years ago

Yeah, but they took care of that sharia thing. And UN Agenda 21.

Orwell 4 years ago

Did they outlaw the yeti while they were at it?

softsun 4 years ago

The Kansas State Chamber gets their tax cut and tees up Lawrence to be annexed into the conservative 1st congressional district smothering the liberal Lawrence and during the destruction, the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce continues as a full member of the Kansas Chamber of Commerce. Many local Chambers have already made their statement by quitting the Kansas Chamber.

Many Lawrence taxpayers are surprised to learn the Lawrence Chamber is still a member of the State Chamber who supported the tax cut. As membership continues to decrease in the Lawrence Chamber, the Lawrence taxpayers continue to pick up the ever increasing tab for the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce. Today, over half of the cost of the Lawrence Chamber, are paid for by Douglas County and City of Lawrence taxpayers, over, $500,000 annually. According to their own tax report, Douglas County and the City of Lawrence pay more to subsidize the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce than the dues of the Lawrence Chamber Members. It is ridicules. Simply said, it is also ridicules for the taxpayers of Lawrence, through membership in the Kansas Chamber to actually help pay for their own demise.

Our County and City elected officials today are are people of duty. Yet some say "it is a step in the right direction" to seek ways to send more money to the Lawrence Chamber, who through its membership in Kansas Chamber and its PAC have targeted for defeat everything the elected in Lawrence stand for! ridiculous!!++

The results are in. Headlines - Topeka — Gov. Sam Brownback said, "“I look forward to signing the bill on my desk and I call on legislators to finalize their work on the budget." Based on the enactment of the so-called “nuclear option” tax cut bill he is referring to, personal income tax rate reductions and elimination of taxes on business - non-wage income of nearly 200,000 businesses would cut $4.5 billion in state revenue over six years. Budget deficits have been projected as early as next year. Projected deficits have all but the most conservative of legislators deeply concerned for the state’s future. Many believe the cuts will do major damage. Tax revenue will be replaced by sales and property tax money. Critics say the large Brownback tax cuts "will absolutely destroy Kansas as we know it" – leaving a $2.7 Billion crater in the budget by 2018. The Bill will deplete state coffers making it impossible for the state to adequately fund schools, which have already sustained cuts during the recession. Tax cuts will only shift the burden to local governments resulting in an increase in property taxes. BTW, guess who's moving to Lawrence, to perhaps take over the top job at the State Chamber? "Brownback administration pleased with O’Neal; others aren’t" Look at the Kansas Chamber opening remark on their legislative agenda, "each year we let each legislator know what is expected of them. No kidding, See for yourself...

JackMcKee 4 years ago

The Lawrence Chamber of Commerce is a joke. It's no surprise that they're clueless about the Kansas Chamber.

Jayhawk1958 4 years ago

I don't mind no sales tax, because its really the only tax that helps the poor if eliminated.

JackMcKee 4 years ago

the place to start cutting taxes should have either been property taxes, which are higher in Kansas than most other states, or sales taxes on necessities.

Crazy_Larry 4 years ago

But, generally speaking, isn't sales tax the only taxes that the poor pay? I mean, do they pay income tax on welfare?

Jayhawk1958 4 years ago

I don't know but I pay it on my unemployment insurance.

Orwell 4 years ago

Rent almost always is set at a rate that includes the landlord's property tax, so the poor effectively pay that too. In creased property tax will put upward pressure on rents. About the only other option for the landlord would be to save on expenses, e.g., neglect property maintenance.

Thanks a pantload, Governor and legislators.

JackMcKee 4 years ago

they also have natural rescources or tourism as major part of their economies and their schools, infrastructure and social services are quite poor.

JayhawkFan1985 4 years ago

You're the one who is scared. You also are the one who hates.

Richard Heckler 4 years ago

T. Boone Pickens Calls Koch Bros Biggest Deterrent to US Energy Policy

It's pretty amazing to think that just 2 men are responsible for holding an entire country - the US - back from being able to implement a responsible energy policy.

Even Mexico and Peru have one, but not the US.

In an interview this week with Yahoo's Daily Ticker, T. Boone Pickens says his biggest concern right now is that the US doesn't have an energy policy and he points directly at the Koch Bros as the reason.

"The biggest deterrent to an energy plan in America is Koch Industries," he says. "They do not want an energy plan for America because they have the cheapest natural gas price they've ever had, and they're in the fertilizer business and they're in the chemical business. So their margins are huge. And they do not want you to have an energy plan, because if you had a plan, then natural gas prices would come up."

Germany, on other other hand, can decarbonize with renewables because "We Don't Have the ... Koch Brothers," said a German State Minister. He referred to their lobbying for fossil fuels and against clean energy, and its spending on climate science disinformation through the front group Americans for Prosperity. They have outspent even ExxonMobil.

Meanwhile, another Koch Bros-backed group, The Heartland Institute, has launched one of the most offensive billboard campaigns in U.S. history, reports the Guardian.

It compares people who accept the facts of climate science, including journalists who report on it accurately, to Charles Manson, the Unabomber, and Osama Bin Laden.

Heartland Billboard

Heartland is holding a Climate Change "Reality" Conference later this month in Chicago to further spin their misinformation campaign.

General Motors and AT&T pulled their support of Heartland, but State Farm and Microsoft, along with many others are still there including Eli Lilly & Co., GlaxoSmithKline, Nucor, Pfizer, and Time Warner Cable.

Why did Heartland feature Charles Manson, the Unabomber, and Osama Bin Laden.these people on its billboards?

*** Here's their answer (which is on the conference website along with the billboard proudly displayed):

Wow - you can't make this stuff up!!


Koch Bros At It Again, Blocking Clean Fuels Mandates

Kochs, Climate Change Denial Infiltrating Nation's Classrooms

yourworstnightmare 4 years ago

If Brownback truly believed that tax cuts will stimulate the economy, he would sign this extreme bill before him right now.

He realizes that these tax cuts will hurt the economy and damage public schools and social services. He doesn't want to be the one held responsible for that. He wants to make it look like the tax cuts were a broad compromise between many factions, to spread the blame when they damage the economy and harm public schools and social services.

Be a man, Brownback, and sign the extreme bill before you right now.

booyalab 4 years ago

Everyone knows that higher taxes help the economy.

booyalab 4 years ago

I was going to joke about the "bipartisan" critics, but then I realized there are probably a lot of anti-free market republicans in Kansas. It would be an explanation for this being a supposedly conservative state that does so much to discourage new economic development. "Country club republicans"

Bob Hechlor 4 years ago

Money spent on education and social services saves far more than it costs. If that wasn't a fact, in truth, we would never have spent money for those investments. When we don't spend money to invest in our citizens, we end up spending more on the chaos, law enforcement, prisons, jails, court costs. loss of tax revenue, loss of consumer spending for small businesses and services and on and on it goes. This has already been proven scientifically, over and over. Of course, it has also been proven scientifically, that republicans don't accept scientific findings. Tea party repubs, like Brownback are destroying our economy. Small businesses can't hire now. Big businesses won't hire, because they are already making enough money and if the government lays off people, then that just means more people will join the unemployment lines as long as they last. After that, we can watch the homeless and hungry grow. That is actually what we saw when Reagan was in office. I remember. Clinton brought the economy back, after Reagan ran up the debt and put people out of work.

Paul R Getto 4 years ago

"I think we are going to be in good shape," Brownback said." === Remember this faith-based comment from the Governor. This is how voodoo economics works.

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