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New tax-cutting plan emerges; Brownback urges passage

May 16, 2012

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— A new tax-cutting plan emerged Wednesday and quickly gained the support of Gov. Sam Brownback. But the proposal's fate was uncertain.

"I hope for the best but I'm not going to hazard a guess," said state Sen. Les Donovan, R-Wichita, and chair of the Senate tax committee.

Donovan accepted an offer from House negotiators that would reduce state personal income tax rates and business taxes.

Votes on the package in the full House and Senate could start as early as Thursday.

"Both chambers should approve the compromise bill and send it to me," Brownback said in a statement.

But Donovan said he doubted if Senate leaders would buy into the plan. "I don't have much hope that the Senate is going to approve this offer," he said.

A bi-partisan group of moderate Republicans and Democrats have argued for smaller tax cuts and restoring funds to education and social services that were cut during the recession.

But in recent days, the dynamics of the tax debate has gotten rough and tumble.

Brownback and House Speaker Mike O'Neal, both conservative Republicans, maneuvered a tax cut through the Legislature that would produce a deficit in the $2.5 billion to $3 billion range in 2018, according to state projections.

Even so, Brownback has said he is prepared to sign that plan into law.

The newest proposal takes a slower approach in phasing in the tax cuts, and would maintain positive ending balances in future years, according to the Kansas Legislature Research Department.

The plan would collapse the three income tax rates into two, reduce the lowest tax rate from 3.5 percent to 3 percent and set the highest rate, currently at 6.45 percent, at 5.5 percent, and then drop that gradually to 4.9 percent in 2018. It would also phase-in the elimination of taxes on non-wage income for businesses over six years. This is aimed at 191,000 businesses, such as limited liability corporations, subchapter S corporations and sole proprietorships.

The proposal also would reduce the Earned Income Tax Credit, but negotiators removed an earlier provision which would have required eligible taxpayers take either the EITC or food sales tax rebate. Under the new plan, they can take both credits.

The House's chief tax negotiator, state Rep. Richard Carlson, R-St. Marys, said he would push for House approval. "I believe it is substantially the same as our original conference committee report," he said.

Donovan said one of the best aspects of the new plan is that it is not the plan that Brownback said he could sign.

"This is good for everybody in the state," he said.

Democrats, however, were critical of the tax debate, and Brownback's threat to sign the larger tax-cutting bill. “Gov. Brownback’s Washington-style politics have resulted in Washington-style gridlock,” said House Democratic Leader Paul Davis of Lawrence. “The Legislature is stalled because Gov. Brownback is playing a game of political chicken," he said.

Comments

4getabouit 2 years, 6 months ago

So what happens and who gets the blame when Brownback's supply-side gamble fizzles?

Answer: Blackjack Brownback retires after a failed attempt to win the Republican Presidential nomination and lives off his wife's money. You....on the other hand, keep working.

Grump 2 years, 6 months ago

He also gets a job at a right wing think-tank where he doesn't really do anything.

Patricia Davis 2 years, 6 months ago

Oh dear, my handle has been compromised because I fear that nothing defines Oxymoron as as rightwing think-tank.

JackMcKee 2 years, 6 months ago

he hasn't done anything yet in his life. Why start now?

Mike1949 2 years, 6 months ago

He knows Kansans are loading up to oust him when he comes up for re-election, that is why he is trying to built a reputation with the Republican Party during his term as Governor. I guess Kansans would has the last laugh if the Republican Party didn't want to have anything to do with him. After all, taking the resume' of destroying a State for political reasons is not something you want to take with you when you play with the big boys. Then again, it's the Republican party, definitely not the bright light bulb on the block!

average 2 years, 6 months ago

Kansas isn't going to oust him. You can't just 'oust' someone in electoral politics, you replace them. I don't think any Republicans are lining up a primary run. And there's not a Kansas Democrat (save Sebelius and maybe Glickman) who has even 15% name recognition among the voters. That includes Tom Holland, who got a third of the vote in 2010, but I'll suggest that even half the people who voted for him couldn't name him today.

jafs 2 years, 6 months ago

There aren't grounds for recalling Brownback, unfortunately.

They removed "incompetence" from the list of things which would qualify a governor for recall.

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

Too bad the house is crazy, because I think a bill reintroducing it as grounds might send a very heavy hint in his direction.

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Come on we Kansans need tax relief! This is highest taxed and most regressively stat in the region!

Bob_Keeshan 2 years, 6 months ago

Whatever drugs this poster is taking, man I wish I had some.

pace 2 years, 6 months ago

Another republican on Koch. Bad addiction addles the brain,seems to no longer think numbers need to add up. When we shortchange our children will less education we aren't in it for the long term. We need more and better education, not less, unless you are aiming for mindless helpless working force. oops.

pace 2 years, 6 months ago

debating 1001 if someone says a budget will achieve the opposite of what the budget will achieve, many choices, delusional, liar, or argument poorly made. If you choose to believe reducing services to state citizens, dastric reduction to maintaining infrastructures in order to reduce taxes to the wealthiest, will reduce the deficit. Please present your reasoning. If changing the tax structure is to create jobs , then the tax cuts would be a carrot, not money up front without any ties.

pace 2 years, 6 months ago

So you are claiming delusion, that the topic was about your feelings?

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Just because you don't want tax relief and reform does not mean it is not needed...that is the TRUTH not a lie. Also, since Kansas is spending nearly 65 cents of every general fund dollar on education it is hard to explain some of the poor results. True educational reform would reduce administration while getting.ore money to the teachers and the classroom!

jafs 2 years, 6 months ago

Whether or not tax reform, etc. is needed is a matter of opinion, not fact.

verity 2 years, 6 months ago

Kansanjayhawk, of course tax reform is needed. Unfortunately, what Brownback is proposing is not the kind of reform that is needed. His so-called reforms will lower taxes for the upper classes and raise taxes for the middle/working class. There is very little doubt that it would also cause property taxes to be raised to support local governments. Since the middle/working class will have less to spend, this sort of "reform" generally hurts the economy.

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Perhaps lowering tax rates for businesses will help some of them to remain in Kansas and continue to expand which in turn creates jobs and then additional revenues for schools and State government.

Patricia Davis 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm assuming this kind of high must come from being on Sam's payroll.

JackMcKee 2 years, 6 months ago

but this is Kansas! Everyone wants to live in Kansas!

4getabouit 2 years, 6 months ago

It will be know as "Brownback's Blunder."Ultimately, he will carry the distinction of "worst Governor in Kansas history." A failed governor, a failed political career, who hurt thousands of hard working Kansans in his attempt for personal glory. Visions of grandour unfullfilled.

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

A liberal dreamer! Brownback has already demonstrated his leadership abilities when he outfoxed the Senate leadership on tax relief! The governor will go down in history as a commonsense reformer! Remember when he arrived the Democrats had left a general fund balance of under $1000.00

jafs 2 years, 6 months ago

So, "leadership" means outfoxing those that disagree with you.

I'm glad to see you coming out of the closet, there - keep that going.

It's quite clear that you want for conservative Christian values to dominate our society, regardless of anything else, like constitutionality, or the will of the population.

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

What are you talking about-there was no name calling in that post-face reality the Democrats and liberal Republicans were hoping to leave town with no tax cut passed! Brownback has ensured of tax relief!

verity 2 years, 6 months ago

"Brownback has already demonstrated his leadership abilities when he outfoxed the Senate leadership on tax relief!"

Wow, just wow!

OrestessonofAgamemnon 2 years, 6 months ago

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Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

Like our modern Liberal American? The one with their hand out, blaming those who have money for all their problems and condoning the theft of that money for redistribution? No thanks. Those "americans" make me ill and should be ashamed of themselves.

jafs 2 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, those terrible liberals.

I'm a bit confused, though - I've heard that they are the "liberal elite", which would mean that they have a lot of money, and use it to influence politics. But, you're suggesting that they're all "moochers".

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

They're rich, educated "latte liberals" when you're talking to the common folk, and they're moochers and union thugs when you're talking to a rich conservative or campaign donor. But they're always unChristian and unAmerican. Don't forget that. Do forget that some church members think we should focus more on the social safety net, and do forget that all of them are US citizens. UnChristian! UnAmerican!

jafs 2 years, 6 months ago

Thanks for the clarification - I think I've got it now :-)

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

Actually I say that the Liberals and their elite are common thieves. The elite live in a dream world where they have more money than we could ever fathom. They are driven by emotion...not logic. If they are so generous...why don't they all write a check to the Government? Why doesn't Warren Buffett write a check from his Billions? They can very easily within their tax preparation. Just like all other modern Liberals, when problems arise...they expect someone else to pay for it and will demonize those that have to further their criminal agenda. The impact of 35% of $250,000 on a small business owner is much different than 35% of $10,000,000 on the Liberal elite. If you constantly want the 'rich' to pay for everything...then you are a thief as well. A fair tax is all I ask for. www.fairtax.org

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

Actually, I say the libertarians and their elite are common thieves. The elite live in a dream world where they have more money than we could ever fathom. They are driven by emotion, not logic. If they are so generous, why don't the Kochs write a check to fully fund a private school system in Kansas that would voluntarily meet all educational needs of the citizens and allow the government to completely withdraw from education funding? Add a healthcare system in as well, and then they'd be totally right about private sector and donations meeting all of our needs. Why do the Kochs still take advantage of subsidies for ethanol, government contracts, and free use of public lands for logging and ranching? Just like other modern libertarians, when problems arise, they expect someone else to pay for it and will demonize those that have to further their criminal agenda. The impact of 35% of $250k ( a figure that has nothing to do with anything on the state level) is much different than 35% of the libertarian elite (especially since most pay an effective rate of 15% or lower). If you constantly want the 'rich' to pay for everything, then you're not a Koch. Because they like to not pay. A fair tax is all I ask for.

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

Wow! Little jealous are we? Sounds like the Koch's need to hire a little personal security. ...and that is the root of all liberal rants...simple jealousy.

jafs 2 years, 6 months ago

Whenever people speak in such vast generalizations, I know we're not dealing with facts and reality.

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

So you're not dealing with facts or reality? You should really try to remember what you post so you don't make yourself look so foolish.

jafs 2 years, 6 months ago

You're the one who makes such vast generalizations, not me.

Bob Reinsch 2 years, 6 months ago

Any plan should have a reversal contingency. If cuts are made with the intent of creating jobs, wealth and revenue, fine - but if that doesn't happen, there should be an integrated mechanism put in place to reset the system back to current levels. Of course, Sam won't go for it because the Koch brothers would never go for it. He'll pass the buck on to a future administration and live in safe denial that he wasn't the problem.

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

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chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

I was unaware of how much money they'd been giving the governor. Can you enlighten us?

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

You keep bringing up the Koch brothers shat about Sorros and Buffet and the money they put into politics?

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

So just how much did Sorros and Buffet donate to the Brownback campaign again? PS - classy language, kansannjayhawk.

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

Hey Rothschild??? Now That's how you write an unbiased story. I'm sure it pained you to not rip the GOP, but we do appreciate it. Being that I am the first one to rip you for biased reporting...I thought it fitting to recognize as well when you actually report the news in a professional manner. So....Thanks!

tjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

I am always amazed that liberals are so eager to turn over half of their earned income to the government. Wake up! Tax cuts have proven over and over to be good for the economy. Being pro-business is a viable solution. Tax and spend doesn't work.

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

Don't waste your breath. It is much easier for them to have the Government steal it from us then to actually get a job (from us) and work for it.

tjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

I suppose it is easier to not have to think for yourself. We will just all work for the government and allow it to make all our decisions for us. Oh wait, Russia tried that, it didn't work out so well there.

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

+1 ...and Europe is living it out as we speak.

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

Yes. Everyone knows it's one country with one strong central government that can only be evaluated by the actions of its poorest performing, er, states.

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

What? Put down the pipe and back away from your Mom's coffee table.

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

I'd sure love to see your numbers instead of your assertions.

thinkinganalytically 2 years, 6 months ago

Would the best policy be to have no taxes and no government services?

tjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

The real truth of the matter is this... If this country would not have aborted 50,000,000 babies over the last 50 years, we wouldn't have a tax shortfall. Economists have proven that if the tax payer base was increased by even a percentage of those individuals our economy would be in good shape.

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

Economists have proven that the crime rate falls when abortions are legal http://www.nber.org/papers/w8004.pdf

You know, since we're bringing up things that have nothing to do with the question that was asked.

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm sure we could find a study that would prove the economy would be thriving if all those aborted children were future liberals.

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

And if you produced such a study, perhaps you'd sound less desperately silly for suggesting it. Alas, you have not. You haven't even produced a study that backs your very silly notion that the economy would be just fine if aborted fetuses [insert quantity from thin air] grew up to be taxpayers. I'm showing you data that says your hypothetical premise is faulty. Unwanted children are more likely to grow up to be criminals, not taxpayers.

If you want fewer people to have abortions (which I want too), work on birth control, education, and economic stability. Work on a system of supports that makes it possible to raise an unexpected child.

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

Oops. That was Tjayhawk's silly notion that all our revenue woes would be solved if only we'd bread an army of taxpayers.

nativeson 2 years, 6 months ago

The reporting on this topic has been poor. What needs to be highlighted is the assumptions made by the state budget director regarding growth required to offset the reduction in taxes. They are unrealistic.

The budget director continues to compare Kansas to states without personal income tax such as Alaska, Florida, Nevada and Texas which have other revenue sources not available to our state.

These are the guiding principals of the plan which I believe are far-fetched.

Alceste 2 years, 6 months ago

It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World

Lennie Pike: "Everybody has to pay taxes. Even businessmen that rob and steal and cheat from people everyday, even they have to pay taxes."

http://tinyurl.com/7xe9odj

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Governor Brownback is attempting to change our tax structure to encourage economic growth in the private sector. A tax structure that encourages small entrepreneurs to build their businesses here with less government interference!

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

Right. And we only need aggressive job growth higher than the rate in Texas and higher than the level of state layoffs to prove that this brilliant plan works. Let's jump off this building with a parachute made out of bed sheets. What could go wrong?

Patricia Davis 2 years, 6 months ago

When conservative wackos stop interfering with a woman's legal reproductive rights, I'll understand they are truly for less government interference. As a woman in Oklahoma wrote regarding that state's intrusive ultrasound before abortion law: the conservatives want a government so small they can put it in my vagina.

Small business can have all the tax breaks in the world but if consumers don't have money to buy what they are selling, it's just another bankruptcy.

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

When you realize it has nothing to do with the rights of you or any other woman but the constitutional rights (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) of the innocent unborn...then you will be properly informed. What kind of human being puts their rights over the rights of a child that can't defend themselves?
I just don't get how people can be so self centered and selfish. "...My Vagina"? Really? Now that's class.

pace 2 years, 6 months ago

Pork "nothing to do with the rights of you or any other woman "
wrong, it actually has something to do with a woman's rights.
You think it isn't classy to for a woman to stand up for her rights? wrong. That is classy. What would be more classy is if you stood up for everyone's rights, not just your desires.

Paul Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm glad you would be on the side of men wo don't want to pay child support. Your body, your choice right?

Patricia Davis 2 years, 6 months ago

It is the woman who has the constitutional rights not the fertilized egg. And because I want you to be properly informed "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is not in the constitution but the declaration of independence.

And what's not classy about a vagina? In a demonstration in Oklahoma City a woman carried a poster that went viral: If wanted government in my vagina, I'd f@#! a senator.

Our minds and bodies belong to ourselves, not the government. I gladly pay taxes to educate our children, to provide fire and police protection for our community, to have decent roads that we drive on, to provide a safety net for those in need. What I don't want to pay 1 cent for is self-centered and selfish theocracy.

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

Sometimes the innocent unborn have a defect that will prevent them from ever having life, liberty, or happiness. You're advocating a position that won't allow families to mourn their loss in the time and manner of their choosing. Sometimes a mother finds out that she's got a horrible medical condition that forces her to make a choice between her life or the baby's. You're saying the life of the unborn is more valuable than it is of the mother to the point that the doctor can lie about it. Lying doctors. Forced births. Now that's class.

verity 2 years, 6 months ago

"And here another dimension of authoritarian religion emerges, its inherent fascism."

Couldn't have said it better.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

Public spending is under assault from the United States to Europe in the name of fighting deficits. Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman argues in his new book, "End This Depression Now!", that the hysteria over the deficit will constrain an economic recovery in a time of high unemployment and stagnating wages.

"The economics is really easy," says Krugman, "If we were to spend more money at the government level and ... rehire the schoolteachers, firefighters, police officers who have been laid off in the last several years because of cutbacks at the state and local level, we would be a long way back towards full employment. ...

Right now, there just is not enough spending, and we need the government, which can do it, to step in and provide the demand we need. ...

We’ve had austerity in the face of a recession, in a way that we have never had before since the 1930s. ... And the results are clear: it’s disastrous." Krugman writes about the economy as a columnist for the New York Times and is a professor of economics at Princeton University.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/17/end_this_depression_now_paul_krugman

Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

The Krug is saying "don't worry, be happy" over the national debt. Take a look at what's happening in Greece right now and you will see just how full of crap he is.

chootspa 2 years, 6 months ago

He's full of crap for saying that austerity measures during a recession depress an economy and make it even harder to repay a debt? You know, like EXACTLY what's happening in Greece? Ok, snap. Reject reality and substitute your own.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

Gov Sam Brownback wants this deal signed quickly so that the legislators will get the hell out of Topeka. Then he will begin his love for "executive signings" once again as congress will not be around to get in his way. Grab your wallets!!!

This Governor Sam Brownback cannot be trusted for one second. He is a master of deception.

tjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

You really don't have a clue. What a bunch of foolish ramblings. You represent the liberal agenda well. Foolish accusations that have no basis.

kansanjayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

I disagree with you. It has been the Democrats and liberal Republicans who pretend to support tax relief ,but who also would have been happy to end the session with no tax cut,who are truly deceptive.

pace 2 years, 6 months ago

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pace 2 years, 6 months ago

Starting on January 1st, 2012, Kansas voters must show photo identification when casting a vote in person. Some voters may be exempt from the new Photo ID requirement. Acceptable forms of photo ID are:

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And if you are voting in Kansas for the first time, make sure you bring proof of your name and current address. Acceptable documents include: a current and valid photo ID, a current utility bill (including cell phone bill); a current bank statement, a current paycheck or government check, or any other current government document.

All registered voters are entitled to receive a free ID card. Information on receiving your free voter ID is available from the Kansas Secretary of State.

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