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KU proposes tuition hike of nearly 5 percent, effective next fall

May 15, 2012, 11:08 a.m. Updated May 16, 2012, 5:16 a.m.

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Under the proposals, tuition and fees for resident undergraduate students would increase at:

• Emporia State, 6.5 percent.

• Pittsburg State, 6.4 percent.

• Kansas State University by 5.1 percent.

• Fort Hays State, 3.7 percent.

• Wichita State, 3.5 percent.

Tuition and fees at KU Medical Center are proposed to increase by 7 percent, to $4,158, for a Kansas resident.

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The cost of attending Kansas University and the other regents universities would increase next fall, according to proposals submitted to the Kansas Board of Regents.

Incoming KU freshmen who are Kansas residents would pay an additional 4.9 percent in tuition and fees, taking the cost of a 15 credit hour semester at the university to $4,839. Tuition and fees for non-resident freshmen would increase by 5 percent, to $11,874.

Most KU students pay tuition under a compact that guarantees their rate for four years. Transfer students and students who stay longer than four years pay a different standard tuition rate. That rate, combined with required campus fees, is also proposed to increase by 4.9 percent for residents, to $4,443.75, and 6.7 percent for non-residents, to $10,865.

Jeff Vitter, KU provost and executive vice chancellor, said KU’s tuition proposal represented its lowest percentage increase since 1999-2000 (last year, it proposed a 5.5 percent increase). And KU was also trying to balance the importance of moving forward with efforts to improve the university with keeping tuition as low as possible. Among KU’s AAU public university peers, Vitter said KU’s combination of revenue from tuition and the state placed it fifth from the bottom, using the most recent data available.

“As a result, we don’t have the resources we need to do the things we want to do, especially as we try to raise the profile of the university,” he said.

Susie LeGault of Emporia is a parent of an incoming freshman at KU. Her daughter, Emma, will enroll at KU in the fall.

“Being a part of what we would consider the middle class, we’re in a catch-22,” LeGault said. She was surprised to learn that no federal aid was available for her only daughter. “Unfortunately for us, we have saved some money, but not a great deal.”

She said she hoped regents would consider the current economy, and keep in mind that the more they raise tuition, the more kids won’t be able to attend college. Emma will be working two jobs this summer, and both she and her parents will take out loans to help defray the costs.

“It’s going to be tight, no doubt about it,” LeGault said.

KU officials said a committee of students, faculty and staff helped craft the proposal. The increased tuition would generate an additional $14.4 million for the Lawrence campus, including about $970,000 in school-specific course fees and $730,000 for technology improvement.

The university broke down how it wanted to spend the remaining $12.7 million:

• Almost half of the increase, or $6 million, would be targeted for retention of outstanding faculty and staff.

“Even with the salary increases recommended by the students last year which helped stem the deterioration of our salaries relative to our peers, we still lost some footing,” KU’s tuition proposal reads. “As the economy continues to rebound, institutions with which we compete for faculty and staff will continue to aggressively recruit our best faculty and staff.”

So far this year, the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences has retained 19 faculty who were being courted by other schools, the proposal said.

• About 26 percent, or nearly $3.3 million, for required costs, including $2.8 million for health insurance and other benefit increases, $400,000 in additional utility costs and $45,000 for graduate teaching assistant salary increases.

• A 27 percent increase, or $3.4 million for program enhancements, including several elements of KU’s new strategic plan. Areas that would receive additional funding include first-year seminars, KU’s new common book program, expanded programming for KU’s Honors Program, new study abroad grants and new retention initiatives.

KU would offer $10.1 million in tuition grants to assist low-income students who are eligible to receive Pell Grants, according to the proposal.

The regents typically receive tuition proposals from the universities they oversee in May, and then vote on them in June.

Comments

thepianoman 2 years, 7 months ago

OMG. Honestly, this is crazy. I'm so glad these years are behind me!! I graduated Washbrun in 2005.

It will cost nearly $5,000 for tuition alone for incoming students this fall!!??? WOW.

I understand the importance of college, etc... but let's get real here, folks. This is nothing but a business. Education is a business --- for real!!!

The amount of money these institutions genreate is staggering. I suppose it would be different if there were jobs available for every graduate. That isn't the case, nor has it ever been.

My advice to young people: Take time to figure out what you want to do with your life before giving tens of thousands of dollars to a university.

somedude20 2 years, 7 months ago

Ah yes, I heard the same thing on NPR today and is a great point. If you are dropping (partens/tax payers) $50-60k for a 4-year ceramics degree, you may not make enough money from the kind of job that brings to pay off the loan and live on. They said, like you, that a tech school could be done in half the time and may payoff more than a 4year degree in journalism

Fossick 2 years, 7 months ago

Education doesn't cost a penny: http://www.mnn.com/money/personal-finance/stories/7-places-where-you-can-get-a-free-online-education?hpt=hp_bn16

What they are buying at KU is a good time and a diploma, and both are available cheaper elsewhere as well.

motercyclejim 2 years, 7 months ago

Y do poeple see the need too go to college?! it is just a joke u can go and get a job and a earning. its a lie that everone needs a collage degree and the media tells us these people are smarter and they are'nt!!!

gphawk89 2 years, 7 months ago

Apparently mcj doesn't see the need to get an education. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Hudson Luce 2 years, 7 months ago

You've got to graduate from third grade before you can go to college. You don't need a college degree, you need to repeat some grades in elementary school.

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 7 months ago

Here are some of the sites I frequent in order to expand my knowledge-base:

http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/resources/archival/lectures.asp http://www.tpub.com/ http://www.gosk.com/ http://virtualchase.justia.com/legal-research http://f_u_c_kinghomepage.com/page/2 (i had to change the web-address because it contains the f-word, you'll have to get rid of the underscores for the link to work. This is a good resource for daily random tid-bits of knowledge)

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 7 months ago

Billy Joel said: "My advice to young people: Take time to figure out what you want to do with your life before giving tens of thousands of dollars to a university."

Excellent advice that everyone should follow. It would improve everyone's experience at University, from students to faculty.

MIT is also offering educational content for free on line.

It remains to be seen whether this sort of education is valued in the job market as much as a traditional campus education, but it is true that in the new information age, what you know is becoming more important than where you learned it, and what you know is becoming easier to determine without relying on a degree from a university.

This could spell trouble for business as usual at universities.

Or not.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 7 months ago

It's the "ownership society" where individuals, and not the state, are responsible for the costs of their own education.

The market cost of a university education is not even approached by the cost of tuition at KU.

Private universities charge up to $40k a year. Why, our own little private Baker University charges around $20,000 or more per year in tuition.

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 7 months ago

We can't let university level education become available to everyone! If we had a society full of educated citizens, with critical thinking skills and understanding the principles of logic, the Republicrats and Democans would cease to exist. Society would be drastically changed forever... Nope, only rich folks should be at university. Maintains status quo.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 7 months ago

If you're 18 years old and have a passion for something that does not require college, then follow your passion. Be cautious, though, think whether or not your passion is something that will be relevant enough to provide an income for the next half century. If however, you aren't certain what you want to do or how you need to get there, then go to college. The education you receive, the insight, will be well worth the price of admission.

Tomato 2 years, 7 months ago

The $5000 per semester is an inherently misleading number, as it only applies to the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. Nearly every other school within KU has additional fees.

$120 per credit hour for the school of business is an additional $1800 per semester. $48 per credit hour for the school of engineering is an additional $720 per semester. $247 per credit hour for law school is an additional $3705 per semester.

Music, pharmacy, education, architecture. art, journalism, social welfare all have additional course fees on a per credit hour basis.

All students also pay $858 in required campus fees per year. They pay additional fees for taking courses online, additional fees for Edwards, additional "technology fees."

And these numbers are BEFORE the 5% increase.

whatever95 2 years, 7 months ago

Don't forget increase in parking fees!

LJD230 2 years, 7 months ago

This article needs to be put in some degree of context. Perhaps the tuition burden of Kansas kids could be somewhat reduced if KU was more actively involved in the recruitment of non-residents. Note a large number of schools on this list have academic reputations equal to or greater than that of KU.

http://www.happyschoolsblog.com/top-30-out-of-state-universities/

kuguardgrl13 2 years, 7 months ago

There's are lots of us from out of state. Many come to KU because tuition here is close to or lower than our home states. I don't like to think that my higher tuition rate subsidizes for Kansas residents. I'd like to think the university is using the extra money for other things. State tax dollars should subsidize for in-state students. I'm grateful they at least raised the rates by equal percentages. Although I have one more year left on the 2009 rate before mine goes up.

somedude20 2 years, 7 months ago

Well god and jesus never went to college and they seem to be doing well for themselves!

Tracy Rogers 2 years, 7 months ago

My first semester at college 32 years ago cost $363. Not sure what the rate of inflation is for the past 32 years, but I'm sure the tuition costs have far exceeded it. Sad.

Bob_Keeshan 2 years, 7 months ago

As I recall, rising tuition has eclipsed inflation but at the same time that $363 was augmented by significantly more state funding than it is today.

32 years ago, state funding made up over half of a Regents university's budget. Today, the state funds less than 25% of the budget.

Seems like another good reason to blow a $2.7 billion hole in the state budget with a tax shift, doesn't it?

jhawkinsf 2 years, 7 months ago

My freshman year, 38 years ago, tuition at K.U. was $165. I wonder why it more than doubled in those six years?
Then again, I'm not discounting the possibility of memory problems, as they too have doubled in recent years.

gphawk89 2 years, 7 months ago

28 years ago I remember the number being $620. Again, that's quite a jump from $363 over 4 years and $165 over 10 years. I think it was around $980 when I graduated 4 years later.

tomatogrower 2 years, 7 months ago

What does the federal government have to do with tuition increases at a state college? Remember it's Brownback and his buddies who have drastically cut support of KU and other state universities. They have to make up for it somewhere. Their expenses aren't getting any cheaper.

patkindle 2 years, 7 months ago

we are ku you will live in lawrence ks enough said money should not be an issue if you cannot feel the feel. the other schools are open all day so go to them
if you cannot afford ku now you wont be much good to donate to ku later

DillonBarnes 2 years, 7 months ago

It's not about the education, it's about the piece of paper. Go ahead and get that free education from Khan or one of those other schools, that won't get you a promotion.

Someone with 10 years experience may loose out to a 22 year old kid who has a piece of paper with the right words on it.

seriouscat 2 years, 7 months ago

"As an employer I want the best prepared and qualified employees. I could care less if the source of their education was accredited by a bunch of old men and women who think they know what is best for the world. I want people who can do the job. I want the best and brightest. Not a piece of paper."

http://blogmaverick.com/2012/05/13/the-coming-meltdown-in-college-education-why-the-economy-wont-get-better-any-time-soon/

gphawk89 2 years, 7 months ago

On the other side of the coin, some employers DO care about a piece of paper. We've been in the process of hiring over a dozen engineers since the beginning of the year. Hundreds of applicants, but if their resume doesn't specifically state that they have a 4-year engineering degree from an accredited university, they're not even considered. One very recent applicant interviewed very well and had tons of relevant experience. He was just a few days away from starting work when HR noticed that he didn't have the appropriate degree - we had to call him back and rescind the offer.

DillonBarnes 2 years, 7 months ago

Sure there are exceptions, but as gphawk89 pointed out, it doesn't happen often. So many applications are just done online where the employer may not even see your application if the computer determines your application didn't meat minimum qualifications.

What employers really want is a 4 year+ degree, in that specific field, with experience.

snow_hawk_ku 2 years, 7 months ago

"Almost half of the increase, or $6 million, would be targeted for retention of outstanding faculty and staff." Including these guys?? See No. 3:
http://www.onlineuniversities.com/blog/2012/02/the-10-greatest-cases-of-fraud-in-university-research/

Michael LoBurgio 2 years, 7 months ago

Tax-cut legislation will be the end of Kansas as we know it

How much growth do we need to pay for the astronomical cuts?

The Kansas Economic Progress Council has done some quick math. They have calculated that Kansas would need to produce a half million new jobs over the next five years to generate enough income and sales tax to cover the $2 billion hole. Therefore, Kansas jobs would have to grow 50 percent over the next six years.

This is where the nuclear explosion will be felt right here.

Half the state’s budget goes to K-12 education. Unless the Legislature lifts the lid on local tax authority, which is highly unlikely, our schools are in for rough times, indeed. There is no way they can be immune to cuts of the magnitude required. But even if we were given total local authority to tax ourselves, we might have to tax ourselves massively to make up for anticipated shortfalls from the state.

If you have a child who will be or is attending a state university, you can prepare yourself for much higher tuition, as the state inevitably will be forced to cut back on funding for higher education. This isn’t something Brownback wants. It just will be inevitable.

The hundreds of millions of dollars earmarked for transportation projects, including the planned improvements at our Johnson County triangle at Interstate 35, Interstate 435 and Kansas 10 will be ditched. The entire transportation budget will be decimated. There will be no choice.

Cuts to local governments from the state are a virtual certainty. That will lead to higher local property taxes to make up the difference.

http://joco913.com/news/steve-rose-the-end-of-kansas-as-we-know-it/#stor...

Jeff Kilgore 2 years, 7 months ago

The problem isn't the cost of tuition as it is the lack of employment with salaries to pay back the debt. Two snob writers from Forbes magazine heaped criticism on graduates who thought that Target and McDonald's were beneath them. They, like so many, miss the point. I wouldn't mind being down 50K as a student, if I were to be hired in the 60-80k range, immediately after graduation right? Try finding those jobs.

If I were a college professor these days, I'd be shaking in my sneakers. The day will come when this entire house of cards comes crashing down. I hope it happens sooner than later.

RibMan 2 years, 7 months ago

An increase is totally absurd and indefensible.

heygary 2 years, 7 months ago

Prime interest rate .5% ... bank interest on your CD is .7% ... cost of living increased less than 2% ... KU ups tuition 5%!

What a scam ... "we do this to retain outstanding staff" ... other uiversities rationalize that they do it so they can attract outstanding staff. This is a land grant college which is quickly pricing the children of Kansas out of the market. Trend is to backfill with foreign students. Good to know Kansas taxpayers are educating the world.

seriouscat 2 years, 7 months ago

Remember the housing meltdown ? Tough to forget isn’t it. The formula for the housing boom and bust was simple. A lot of easy money being lent to buyers who couldn’t afford the money they were borrowing. That money was then spent on homes with the expectation that the price of the home would go up and it could easily be flipped or refinanced at a profit. Who cares if you couldn’t afford the loan. As long as prices kept on going up, everyone was happy. And prices kept on going up. And as long as pricing kept on going up real estate agents kept on selling homes and finding money for buyers.

Until the easy money stopped. When easy money stopped, buyers couldn’t sell. They couldn’t refinance. First sales slowed, then prices started falling and then the housing bubble burst. Housing prices crashed. We know the rest of the story. We are still mired in the consequences.

Can someone please explain to me how what is happening in higher education is any different ?

http://blogmaverick.com/2012/05/13/the-coming-meltdown-in-college-education-why-the-economy-wont-get-better-any-time-soon/

ferrislives 2 years, 7 months ago

KU is out of touch with today's society. If they continue at this current pace, they will eventually drop in the listings of universities that give a valuable education, and die into oblivion. There comes a point at which you need to re-evaluate your direction, and try something new. You can only use tradition, great sports teams, etc. as a recruitment tool for so long.

I used to say that I wanted my kids to go to KU, but now I think of what place will give them a well-rounded education at a lower cost, while also giving them a greater potential for a nice-paying job. KU doesn't seem to fit that bill for my family anymore, which is something that I never thought I'd say. It actually hurts my heart to say so.

MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, and other prestigious universities have it right. All of those top (and sometimes older) universities offer all of their classes online for the world to learn from. Yes, that's not a degree, but it's a start. And with Khan Academy, you can even check your progress and use that in interviews I would guess. It's only a matter of time before a real piece of paper comes along with this real kind of education. And a certification in an Information Technology field is as good as a degree now days anyway.

Tradition is great, but what is it really worth to a financially struggling student and their family? Get with the times KU, or you will be passed by.

joshua1532 2 years, 7 months ago

Easy money has led to the education bubble. Student loans are too easy to get and universities can keep increasing tuition because the whole system is fueled by debt. It is almost identical to the housing crisis in which prices were artificially driven too high. It will not end well and some universities that choose not to compete on price will begin to close over the next several years.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 7 months ago

Well LJW where are the tax dollars going instead of to higher education and public education?

Worker's taxes siphoned off by their bosses Thursday, April 26, 2012 | Posted by Jim Hightower

My congratulations to workers in 16 states – from Maine to Georgia, New Jersey to Colorado! Many of you will be thrilled to know that the income taxes deducted from your paychecks each month are going to a very worthy cause: your corporate boss.

Good Jobs First, a non-profit, non-partisan research center, has analyzed state programs meant to create jobs, but instead have created some $700 million a year in corporate welfare. This scam starts with the normal practice of corporations withholding from each employee's monthly check the state income taxes their workers owe.

But rather than remitting this money to pay for state services, these 16 states simply allow the corporations to keep the tax payments for themselves! Adding to the funkiness of taxation-by-corporation, the bosses don't even have to tell workers that the company is siphoning off their state taxes for its own fun and profit.

These heists are rationalized in the name of "job creation," but that's a hoax, too. They're really just bribes the states pay to get corporations to move existing jobs from one state to another, or they're hostage payments to corporations that demand the public's money – or else they'll move their jobs out of state.

Last year, Kansas used workers' withholding taxes to bribe AMC Entertainment with a $47 million payment to move its headquarters from downtown Kansas City, Missouri, to a KC suburb on the Kansas side, just 10 miles away. What a ripoff! Among the 2,700 corporations cashing in on such absurd diversions of state taxes from public need to private greed are Goldman Sachs, GE, Motorola, and Procter & Gamble.

For more information – and for ways you can help stop this despicable giveaway – get the full report, entitled "Paying Taxes to the Boss." It's available at www.GoodJobsFirst.org.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 7 months ago

I'd swear that I saw this same copy/paste just yesterday on another thread of this award-winning website... (from a source)

jayhawkster 2 years, 7 months ago

The GI Bill is pretty generous. Join up for a few years and get a big chunk of your schooling paid for - you'll get some experience and good stories too. Sure there are occupational hazards, but c'est la vie, makes for even better stories.

Hudson Luce 2 years, 7 months ago

If you don't get blown up by an IED and come home with traumatic brain injury or PTSD. "Recent estimates place the number at nearly 20 percent of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans screening positive for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) or depression (Tanielian & Jaycox, 2008; Veterans Affairs, 2007) with 18 to 24 year old veterans being at greatest risk for developing PTSD (Seal, Bertethal, Milller, Saunak, & Marmar, 2007)." from http://operationvets.com/resources/ptsd-tbi/

kujayhawk 2 years, 7 months ago

When does it stop? The academic world is so out of touch with the real world.

verity 2 years, 7 months ago

I haven't read all the comments here, but I do want to say that there is value in a liberal arts education. Yes, having skills that bring in an income are essential---but thinking that you only need to know physical skills to do a good job is wrong. Learning critical thinking is essential and I've found that much knowledge which didn't seem to have anything to do with my profession turned out to be very helpful and have improved not only my professional skills, but my life in general.

In my opinion, we need to balance the two sides out somehow. People should not have to start out their lives with such huge debt as many are incurring now.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 7 months ago

A university education is expensive. Most private universities charge between $20,000 and $40,000 per year in tuition including nearby Baker.

KU's tuition is around $9000.

Jeff Kilgore 2 years, 7 months ago

It's out of control, compared to the salaries that most kids will earn out of college, and for this reason, it might be defensible, but it's not sustainable.

patkindle 2 years, 7 months ago

too much money from student loans is spent on beer, pizza,gas and a lifestyle they would like to have after working 10 yrs

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