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Was Florida shooter a vigilante or good neighbor?

March 22, 2012

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— George Zimmerman once took criminal justice classes at the community college and was practically a one-man neighborhood watch in his gated part of town, calling police close to 50 times over the past eight years to report such things as slow-driving vehicles, strangers loitering in the neighborhood and open garages.

Now, suddenly, people are wondering if the 28-year-old Zimmerman is an earnest if somewhat zealous young man who was just looking out for his neighborhood, or a wannabe cop who tried to take justice into his own hands.

He has been at the center of a growing furor over vigilantism, self-defense and racial profiling since he shot and killed an unarmed black teenager who was walking through his neighborhood Feb. 26 carrying only a bag of Skittles and an iced tea.

Zimmerman, a light-skinned Hispanic, has claimed self-defense in the slaying of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin and has not been charged, but many black leaders are demanding his arrest, and state and federal authorities are investigating. Florida’s Stand Your Ground law on self-defense gives people wide latitude to use deadly force.

Attorneys for Martin’s parents say Zimmerman is a “loose cannon.”

“He’s a wannabe police officer,” lawyer Benjamin Crump said. “Why did he have a gun?”

But some neighbors welcomed his vigilance, at least before the shooting.

Samantha Leigh Hamilton, an auto-dealership employee who has lived on Zimmerman’s street for about a year, said that she once left her garage door up and Zimmerman noticed it while out walking his dog. He notified another neighbor, who let Hamilton know.

“The only impression I have of George Zimmerman is a good one,” Hamilton said Wednesday.

Hamilton said another neighbor, a black woman, would regularly inform Zimmerman when she was out of town so that he could keep an eye on her place. Hamilton said that when she moved into the middle-class, racially mixed community of about 250 identical townhouses, the black neighbor told her, “Hey, if you need anything, you picked a really good area, since George is part of our neighborhood watch.”

Zimmerman, who was captain of the neighborhood watch and licensed to carry a gun, made 46 calls to police since 2004, according to department records.

In one police call report, the dispatcher noted that Zimmerman was calling about a vehicle “driving real slow, looking at all the other vehicles in the complex and blasting music.” In another call from last August, Zimmerman reported on two black male teens in the neighborhood. He considered them suspicious.

A police spokesman in Sanford, a city of 53,000 people outside Orlando that is 57 percent white and 30 percent black, did not return calls for comment about Zimmerman’s repeated reports.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years ago

Geraldo Rivera and Mahr are two of the "Liberaltines" finest men.

What's Geraldo got to say about this "brutal" murder?

http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/03/23/geraldo-why-do-you-trouble-america-with-your-african-nose/

His "racism" is saying alot about his culture be it Latino/Hispanic/White Hispanic/mestizo

http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/03/16/george-zimmermans-father-my-son-is-hispanic-not-racist/

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deathpenaltyliberal 2 years ago

"its_just_math (anonymous) says… Zimmerman gave another huge gift to the race-baiting blacks,..."

Unfrickin' believable. If the "race-baiting blacks" were silent on this, the murderer Zimmerman would be off scot-free. At least there will be an investigation now.

The only thing more twisted than your conservative logic is your moral compass.

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its_just_math 2 years ago

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tbaker 2 years ago

When Al Sharpton, Calypso Louie Farrakhan, and the rest of the race baiters finally get done exploiting this incident, lets all hope the criminal justice system will do right by Treyvon and his family. In a perfect world the grand jury would support charging this nut Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder and take this to trail, but the evidence is still pretty thin I'm sad to say. Speaking of court, If it turns out this guy really was in some way sanctioned by this homeowner’s association, they need to be hiring a good lawyer too. BTW, Florida's "Stand Your Ground law" is not a factor in this case. Based on the 911 audio, Zimmerman was not standing his ground. He was in pursuit, and the 911 operators knew he was in pursuit up to a point. The police know this too. The default setting for most cops is to arrest people and sort it out down at the station. Why they didn't do it in this case is very strange. They are either incredibly incompetent, or we don't know the whole story yet.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years ago

I don't think that anyone directly answered the question posed by the title, which was: 'Was Florida shooter a vigilante or good neighbor?'

I tend to think that if he chased down and shot dead your kid or someone that was a guest in your home, the answer is: "Not a good neighbor, for sure."

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Katara 2 years ago

The authors of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law say that George Zimmerman should be arrested and that their law does not apply to this situation.

“They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid,” said Peaden, a Crestview Republican who sponsored the deadly force law in 2005. “He has no protection under my law.”

Peaden and Baxley, R-Ocala, say their law is a self-defense act. It says law-abiding people have no duty to retreat from an attacker and can meet “force with force.” Nowhere does it say that a person has a right to confront another." http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/20/2703579/state-senator-calls-for-hearings.html

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KEITHMILES05 2 years ago

Here are FACTS which have not been discussed here.

The city manager is the former city manager from TOPEKA. This is not surprising his political talk out the arse. He is black.

The cop assisgned to the killer did NOT interview him but only took a statement. This is his testimony.

There in fact are 2-3 witnesses who have NOT be contacted by the police despite their public proclamation they witnesses the crime and nobody has spoken with them.

The kid had a "hoodie" on but did NOT have the actual hoodie on his head until he saw he was being followed. The reason he put it on his head is because it was raining.

Lastly, the murderer has made approximately 45 calls and in each and EVERY one of those the person he was calling about was BLACK. This from media person on TV who listened to all of the prior calls.

Connect the dots folks and you can in fact see this guy was seeking out blacks and tracking them down like a lion to devour.

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observant 2 years ago

He was killed simply for daring to be black. A racist wantabe cop was out to show him his place. Then when this racist confronted him and was getting his butt kicked, he pulled his CCH weapon and murdered him. Hope Zimmerman enjoys his time in Raiford State Prison. Can't wait for his cries for help there.

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JayhawkFan1985 2 years ago

A kid is dead. The kid was unarmed. The person who killed him did so with one shot to the chest. The police told him to not follow the kid, but he did so anyway. This seems open and shut to me in terms of his guilt. Having said that, I don't know what he should be charged with some form of homicide I think is appropriate. I also thought OJ was guilty though.

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none2 2 years ago

I don't see why people aren't addressing the real issue -- the perception of what a criminal looks like.

This wasn't solely about race. I seriously doubt that there would have been a killing if the victim had been a young black man wearing a suit and carrying a bible. I don't think the victim would have been killed if he had been a black woman. I don't think the victim would have been killed if he had been an elderly black person wearing a hoodie.

Rather it was the combination of being young, black, male, and wearing a hoodie that made him fit the stereotype. Stereotypes are fine for being on your guard, but you CANNOT act on stereotypes You can act only on actions. This boy did nothing wrong, so the shooter should have listened to the 911 dispatcher and simply WALKED AWAY.

The following story talks about the shooter:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/slaying-in-florida-was-trayvon-martins-killer-a-vigilante-or-conscientious-neighbor/2012/03/21/gIQAKTqhSS_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop

The shooter must pay for his crime, but that will never bring the young boy back.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years ago

http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/03/16/george-zimmermans-father-my-son-is-hispanic-not-racist/

Interesting "information"

Particularly interesting is Laribo's post and Nichelle Calhoun's post half way down the page.

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Armstrong 2 years ago

The really sad part of this whole incident is this story would not have even made news if the shooter was black as well

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sissezz 2 years ago

tbaker....... that is also just as tragic. And i dont know the motive behind it..... but i am speaking about a person being killed because he was black.. No other reason....... no carjacking, no love triangle, no theft, no other reason then being BLACK. Thats the point.... and i believe we should be just as outraged about ALL murders

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tbaker 2 years ago

This kid was killed because he was black? Really?

Two weeks ago, a 21-year-old man and a 16-year-old girl were shot dead, and a baby was wounded in a KCK apartment shooting. This is the third fatal shooting in five years in this part of KCK. The victims and the suspects are black. Just a few miles away in Missouri we have the worst state in the union for black-on-black crime. Chicago has had over 100 murders since the first of the year; the vast majority are black-on-black crimes. The police precincts in South Chicago are more dangerous than Afghanistan.

Where is the outrage? Where is the million hoodie march for all these senseless crimes? The only thing giving this tragedy in Florida any traction at all is the fact the shooter is not black. The sound of the crickets is deafening.

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g_rock 2 years ago

I'm still waiting for that earthquake where all of Florida falls off of the continent. Maybe it would solve more than just my boy issues...it would solve lots of issues.

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jesse499 2 years ago

I would just like to see it taken care of in the courts not in the media or the blogs.Before some other Mothers son is killed for no reason but the media or the blogs stiring people up.It's bad enough what happen with out making it worse.

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sissezz 2 years ago

The bottom line is this WAS about race.... a young BLACK boy was shot because he was BLACK.. If he had been WHITE this would not have happened. Most black on black crimes are about other type of crime. (theft,drugs,etc.) But there was NO CRIME being committed.... thats why this is sooo much more disturbing than a black on black crime. Either way it is still sickening...

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somedude20 2 years ago

worth repeating: Crazy_Larry (anonymous) replies… And a recent study concluded that conservatives have low IQ scores...a.k.a. are stupid. http://www.livescience.com/18132-inte

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deathpenaltyliberal 2 years ago

I see our cowardly conservative friends are turning themselves inside out to justify this murder. And it is murder, there is no justification for a 260 lb man to shoot an unarmed 160 lb young man.

See how simple it is when you take race out of the equation?

Zimmermans apologists should be ashamed of themselves, but no chance of that because they are consumed by their entitlement, fear, and self-righteousness.

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sassykansan 2 years ago

This man used racial slurs in his 911 call. I don't think anything about him is very neighborly. I hope he goes to prison.

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Kontum1972 2 years ago

i spent 2 years of my life toting a gun in defense of my country when i was in Vietnam...when i came home i no longer had the desire to carry a gun i sold all my personal weapons when i came home..too many of my good comrades died and took a lot of the bad guys lives....i vowed too never carry a weapon anymore

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years ago

The Obama has 80% of the "minority" vote http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/03/04/is-the-republican-party-almost-over/can-obama-recapture-the-hispanic-vote and therefore along with Al Sharpton, defuse this hateful "violence" among the minorities. He needs to mine the 20 years in Pastor Wright's pew to bring the "Hispanics and African Americans" together.

When will the madness stop. The "Nobel Peace Prize Laureate" is the country's only "hope".

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Armored_One 2 years ago

Screw this left-side/right-side nonsense.

Vigilante justice is about as needed today as hitching posts are needed outside the WalMart out by Free State. That is all this is, pure and simple, and the moron behind the trigger doesn't need the book thrown at him.

He needs a beatdown with that book, after tying it to a baseball bat and handing it to the boy's father. If it was my son, I wouldn't be bothering with the book, though. Then again, anyone that knows me personally wouldn't be suprised in the least.

Kneecap the bastage, then drag him by the back of his head to the police station and claim self defense.

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sunny 2 years, 1 month ago

Take race out of it? The black community is screaming about race.

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ccp 2 years, 1 month ago

Take politics and race out of it, and you have this:

A kid went out for candy and never came home because a stranger killed him. If that doesn't outrage you, then I see no point in arguing the point any further than that.

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verity 2 years, 1 month ago

"Zimmerman, . . . licensed to carry a gun"

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its_just_math 2 years, 1 month ago

I had to go back to see where this piece originated. I was right in my recall, it did not come from the op-ed page, incredulous as it may be.

This is what the media does. The liberal media picks and chooses who/what/why/where/how to support their agenda; here it is anti-gun.

Again, another strong ploy of the left-wingers who dominate the media is a big one: omission or suppression of news---on whatever level. A whackjob Muslim blows away 16 people vs. one lone shooter of a black kid? Stark difference in the intensity, duration and saturation of said event by the corrupt liberal media to stay on track with said agenda.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 1 month ago

I am extremely ticked off. Clipped from: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/sanford-city-manager-says-were-barred-arresting-trayvon-134007644.html

Sanford city manager says they were barred from arresting Trayvon Martin’s killer

The city of Sanford, Florida has claimed that it did not arrest George Zimmerman despite his confession that he fatally shot Trayvon Martin because it was legally barred from doing so.

"Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense, which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony," Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. wrote in a letter released publicly Wednesday evening. "By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time."

The Sanford Police Department has received widespread criticism for its handling of the investigation. Among other issues, it didn't conduct a drug or alcohol test on Zimmerman, although that's standard practice in homicide probes, and a witness has said a police officer "corrected" her claim that she heard Martin yelling for help.

The letter goes on to address several other issues related to the case. Bonaparte Jr. writes that Zimmerman's failure to obey a 911 dispatcher's request that he not follow Martin can be taken into account in the ongoing investigation, but adds that the request "is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow."

Bonaparte Jr. appears to be saying that disobeying the order wasn't in itself a violation of law.

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 1 month ago

We cannot arrest paranoid, gun-toting wannabe vigilantes. They are a protected class that cannot be subject to the same laws as ordinary citizens.

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 1 month ago

Paranoid, gun-toting wannabe vigilantes must be protected at all costs. The police were right in not arresting him.

It would have violated his right to be a paranoid, gun-toting wannabe vigilante. A sacred, protected class.

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beatrice 2 years, 1 month ago

People are often very nice -- until they kill someone.

Ain't guns grand!

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pace 2 years, 1 month ago

What a nightmare. The police should have done due diligence. No real investigation of a armed man shooting an unarmed boy on the street? They did not do service to either Zimmerman or the boy by not doing their job. How would most feel if their kid went out to the store and some one chased him/her and shot him or her?

I am waiting for more information before I form an opinion on Mr. Zimmerman's actions.

It does make me sick so many racists are burning their crosses on our forum. The clamor that this incident should be a reason that black on black crimes need investigation is unsound. I think that crime and theft of any kind should be investigated. This incident is not a reason to bash the left. Everyone should worry that a proper investigation did not happen. I am sorry for the family and saddened by the loss of the kid.

The law should protect both, not just the guy with the gun. What we are going to get is more shoot outs on the street, both fools "standing their ground". I don't want to have take my gun to take a walk, shoot some attacker because some one might not like my looks, attacks me and demands my business. Stand your grounds doesn't mean that one citizen has to answer to any block head who thinks they can roam the streets and get into other people's face. The stand your ground law is flawed if there is no sound investigation of circumstance.

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Gotland 2 years, 1 month ago

Reverend Al and his racists are on the march but when you are looking for Caucasian to lynch will a light skinned Hispanic do?

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Richard Payton 2 years, 1 month ago

Rev. Al Sharpton is still planning on holding rally tonight despite his mother's passing. Ada Sharpton would want me to continue, said Rev. Al Sharpton in his statement this morning to the press.

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punchee 2 years, 1 month ago

Zimmerman made a series of bad decisions that, in my opinion, should preclude his use of the "stand your ground" defense: He defied the 911 dispatcher and followed Jenkins. Once he did that, none of his subsequent actions are justifiable under any circumstances.

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consumer1 2 years, 1 month ago

This is why the LJW is nothing more than a local "National Enquirer". "In one police call report, the dispatcher noted that Zimmerman was calling about a vehicle “driving real slow, looking at all the other vehicles in the complex and blasting music.” In another call from last August, Zimmerman reported on two black male teens in the neighborhood. He considered them suspicious>" This is sensationalism at it's best.

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consumer1 2 years, 1 month ago

The thugs want you to believe you are taking their rights away from them, the reality is they are trying to take our rights away from us. This is a sad situation, and I am sorry for the teen and his parents.

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tbaker 2 years, 1 month ago

The guy sounds a little kooky, perhaps a cop wannabe maybe. The kid he shot was unarmed. It doesn't look good from my vantage, but that's why we have courts and a justice system. The fact he has not been charged means the authorities are either incredibly incompetent, or there is something more to this we don't know about yet.

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sunny 2 years, 1 month ago

I am surprised Obumma hasn't jumped all over this yet!

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sunny 2 years, 1 month ago

And where did you get that information?

It's just stupid to let your mind wander like that!

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 1 month ago

He was a gun-toting, paranoid, violent, misguided vigilante wannabe living in a wild west fantasy world.

And he must be protected at all costs.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 1 month ago

Good weapons make good neighbors? (With apologies to Robert Frost.)

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somedude20 2 years, 1 month ago

Yep, everyone having a handgun makes the world safer. The crime watch became the crime and Zimmerman's trigger finger (note I did not say the gun) took an innocent boy's life (listen to the 911 calls from multiple people).

Getting a gun and being able to carry is way to eay these days, it takes more effort to get divorced than to get a gun.

I am not saying that people should not be able to own or carry guns (that is our right), just that the screening process needs to be tougher. This is Florida folks, home of the hanging chad....justice will have to be forced by the goverment

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Richard Payton 2 years, 1 month ago

Zimmerman was an altar boy in Prince William County Virginia. He lived in Manassas and relocated to Florida in 2002. The Washington Post posted this from the Orlando Sentinel.

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sunny 2 years, 1 month ago

It's too bad all this effort isn't going into the black on black murders that happen every weekend in Kansas City. Why is it ok for blacks to gun down each other? Where is the outrage?

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autie 2 years, 1 month ago

I want to know one thing. Why hasn't anybody blamed the President yet? I'm sure two of those boys are working on something in their minds to put that twist to the story.

Bottom line, the kid was willfully and intentionally murdered for no reason other than he was black. All the right wingnut platitudes and smart remarks do not change those simple facts.

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Gotland 2 years, 1 month ago

An affluent Hispanic kills an affluent black and somehow it’s whitey’s fault. I need to find a liberal arts major to explain it to me.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 1 month ago

The "get whitey" mob is in full cry. The Department of (selective)Justice is getting involved since this case seems to fit the narrative they are pushing.

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think_about_it 2 years, 1 month ago

Normally in the lefts mind a minority isn't capable of being racist.

By adding "light-skinned Hispanic" to the description of Mr. Zimmerman the author is trying to make him more white which in turn automatically makes him a racist. Fortunately for the left he wasn't a dark skinned Hispanic

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Roland Gunslinger 2 years, 1 month ago

George Zimmerman states "these people always get away". Who are "these people"?

Also some controversy on his 911 call. He can be heard calling him a name- some say it sounds like "f^&$#ing punks" and others hear "f*&#9ing coons".

Why did Zimmerman chase him down when the dispatcher told him not to? Why did Zimmerman confront him in the first place? We'll never know how the altercation started, but we do know that if Zimmerman hadn't gave chase as was told to do by the dispatcher there would be no altercation.

Anyone who hears the screams of Trayvon crying for help knows this is no case of self defense. This was a 300 pound adult taking on a 160 pound kid. One is armed with a pistol the other is armed with Skittles. One winds up dead, the other is hardly even questioned until public outrage is heard.

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its_just_math 2 years, 1 month ago

"...calling police close to 50 times over the past eight years to report such things as slow-driving vehicles, strangers loitering in the neighborhood and open garages."

I can tell you that off my beatin' path neighborhood in and around Sarcoxie lake, the deputies are summoned about 2 times a week by approximately 3 dozen give or take separate residences.....and these are white kids mostly that the calls are about.

Of course lefty nutcases paint Zimmerman as a nutcase. More outrage in the corrupt liberal media over this than Hasan/Ft. Hood or any other muslim nutcase who goes ballistic. The corrupt liberal media and the far-left blogs that most of this forum live for knee-jerk reported Jared Loughner was all conservative propaganda's fault.

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woodscolt 2 years, 1 month ago

Was Florida shooter a vigilante or good neighbor?

Well, one thing is for sure. He is a murderer, does that answer your question. He was allowed to operate in a society that the right wingers are relentlessly pushing to change this country into.

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autie 2 years, 1 month ago

Leave it to you know who to make an ignorant racist remark. Maybe Zimmerman thought that boy was going to beat him with a skittle.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 1 month ago

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grammaddy 2 years, 1 month ago

No justice,No peace. Justice for Trayvon Martin!

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 1 month ago

George Zimmerman has been found guilty in the Court of Public Opinion, and the sentence is that this tragic event will follow him the rest of his life.

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