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Rick Santorum wins Kansas presidential caucuses

March 10, 2012, 2:25 p.m. Updated March 11, 2012, 12:59 a.m.

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— Rick Santorum overwhelmingly won the Kansas Republican presidential caucuses on Saturday, bolstering his claim that front-runner Mitt Romney hasn’t locked up the GOP nomination.

The state GOP projected that Santorum will pick up 33 of the state’s 40 delegates after receiving more than 50 percent of the vote. Romney, who didn’t campaign in Kansas, hovered just above the 20 percent threshold needed to capture delegates and was projected to pick up seven.

“We’ve had a very, very good day in our neighboring state of Kansas,” Santorum told several hundred people at a rally in Springfield, Mo. He called the win “comfortable” and said he was looking forward to claiming “the vast majority of delegates.”

Santorum enjoyed support from some small-government conservatives in Kansas and, more importantly, many abortion opponents who make up a core constituency of the state GOP, including leaders of Kansans for Life. He portrayed himself as the non-establishment candidate, telling locals that their caucuses were crucial ahead of other post-Super Tuesday contests in the South.

“If there’s anybody who’s really conservative, it’s him. He’s a strong evangelical believer, and that’s very important for me,” said Alan Locke, a 65-year-old retiree and Southern Baptist from Topeka who voted for Santorum in his hometown. “I like it that he’s pro-life, that he is pro-life from before birth until the grave.”

Final, unofficial reports from the 96 caucus sites showed Santorum winning 51 percent of the vote compared to Romney’s 21 percent. Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich had 14 percent, while Texas Rep. Ron Paul captured almost 13 percent. But the party has yet to count almost 1,000 provisional ballots cast by voters who showed up at the wrong site or did not have photo identification.

Paul had three campaign events Friday, while Gingrich canceled his Kansas events to focus on Southern states after he won his native Georgia on Tuesday.

The GOP nominee is all but certain to win Kansas in the November general election because of the state’s strong GOP leanings. A Democrat hasn’t carried the state since Lyndon Johnson in 1964, and Republicans hold all statewide and congressional offices along with large legislative majorities.

Josh Kelton, a 36-year-old Wichita engineer, said he had not made up his mind to vote for Santorum until he went to hear him at a rally Friday and Santorum’s wife at the caucus Saturday in Wichita. Kelton’s wife and five children were with him at the caucus.

“We can relate to them,” Kelton said. “They have the same values we do.”

Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, received a late boost in Kansas when political icon Bob Dole, the 88-year-old former U.S. Senate majority leader and 1996 Republican presidential nominee, urged his fellow Kansans to back the front-runner.

Dole described Romney as a “main street conservative.”

Romney also was endorsed by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a conservative former law professor known for helping draft tough illegal immigration laws in Arizona and Alabama. Kobach has said Romney is more conservative than he’s been portrayed.

Kobach said Romney’s decision not to campaign in Kansas hurt him, but Kobach said it’s significant that Romney still picked up delegates.

“The road to the Republican nomination has already had twists and turns and no doubt there will be more to come,” Romney said in a statement. “But I have no doubt that with the progress I’ve made today that I will be the Republican Party’s presidential nominee.

Connie Kimble, a 67-year-old U.S. Veterans Administration worker from Topeka, wore a Romney sticker as she voted for him. She acknowledged feeling torn between him and Santorum.

“But it’s that thing — OK, who do I think probably stands the best chance against Obama?” she said. “And I think it probably is Romney.”

However, Kansas Republicans have shown an independent streak in the past.

In February 2008, Arizona Sen. John McCain already was the GOP’s presumed presidential nominee, but former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee trounced McCain in the state’s caucuses.

Comments

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

Not surprising.

My main candidate is still in the race - ABO.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

It must suck to live in a state where the majority do not share your values.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

You know if you were nicer we might let you attend one of our weekly meetings where we get our weekly orders from Fox and Rush.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

I thought those were daily meetings where the X-Rays from the TV burn Rupert & Rush's insane ideology into your head.

ebyrdstarr 3 years, 3 months ago

Actually, yes, it pretty much does. But it's my home state and I'm inclined to stick around and fight for a return to decency and compassion and the values I hold dear.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

Good for you; seriously. I may not agree with you, but that doesn't mean I don't support you to fight for the values in which you believe.

JayhawkFan1985 3 years, 3 months ago

I think most kansans do share his values. Most people think todays GOP is the same GOP Bob Dole and Dwight Eisenhower belonged to. Sadly, that's not the case. The KS GOP today has more in common with the Taliban. They say they're for small government but they want to ban birth control. They say they support jobs but they just want to cut taxes for people like the Koch brothers and try to bust already weak unions. I guess we've underfunded education for too long or we don't have enough of an independent media to report what's really going on. This election cycle likely will break the Brownback/Santorum faction of the GOP.

coryweber 3 years, 3 months ago

You are more than welcome to move somewhere more in line with your effed up values.

clipper71 3 years, 3 months ago

Oh, please. Santorum is no more of a Christian than Taco Bell is genuine Mexican food.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

And why is he not a Christian? Is there just one prototype for a Christian?

sickofdummies 3 years, 3 months ago

Actually, to clarify...Jesus was not a Christian. He was Jewish. He is the center of Christianity because we was the Christ, not a Christian. The biggest tenet of the Christian faith is that we, as humans are all flawed. Christians do not claim to be perfect, only to worship the one who was.

Bob Forer 3 years, 3 months ago

Correction, the biggest tenent of the Christian faith is that if you simply believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you will live eternally in a mythical place called heaven.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

KayCee: Proof? You're missing major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion.

Sean Livingstone 3 years, 3 months ago

Well.... people from his side cried Obama isn't a Christian... I thought Obama attended a Church ran by Rev. Wright... so is Rev. Wright a Christian or not? Is there one prototype type for a Christian? You mean by color?

sickofdummies 3 years, 3 months ago

ALL Christians AND non-christians are flawed. We would hope that Christians would try to live in a way that would exemplify good values. Sadly, that is not necessarily the case. I dont care about color, and I dont expect anyone to be perfect. Relgion should not be an issue. Isn't that what this country was founded on? If you dont want religion to be be held against your own candidate, you cant really hold it against your opponent. That is not logical thinking.

sickofdummies 3 years, 3 months ago

I think that the problem people had with Obama's Christian faith was that he was not always a Chrisitan, and it is said that he only began attending a Christian church when he started in politics. If that's the case, I'm not sure that its wrong to question his motives. Regardless, we have freedom of religion in this country, and really, religion should not be an issue.

Bob Forer 3 years, 3 months ago

In that case then you probably don't like Santorum or his wife. As young adults they didn't have any religious practice whatsoever. In fact, Rick only became "religious" when he decided to run for office, and initially was pro-choice.

I don't understand how folks can easily change their view point on such profound and emotional seemingly overnight, unless, of course, it's opportunism, which in my opinion is the only real religion of rick Santorum

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 3 months ago

"I don't understand how folks can easily change their view point on such profound and emotional seemingly overnight,"

It's easy when you're a psychopath.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

livingstone, what an ignorant comment. Why bring race into the discussion? Your comment is on the same level as those that would suggest that Obama isn't a Christian.

It doesn't matter if he is a Christian or not, but it isn't our place to judge him. It is a personal decision between God and him.

Sean Livingstone 3 years, 3 months ago

fred_mertz, people like you who insisted that we shouldn't cite race as the issue are pretty ignorant. We should confront racism by breaking down racism itself, and cite racism as much as we can. Cite me one president who was asked about his birthplace, his religion, and his church? It's coincident? If that group of Republicans is racist, just admit it, and kick them out of the party. Yes, it isn't our place to judge him.... but in this country...

18% still thinks that Obama is a Muslim, and they won't vote for him. While many blacks are just as racists for voting for Obama just because he's black, there are nearly equal number of Whites who voted against Obama just because he's black... but for political correctness, they don't admit it.

It's our failure not to bring such issue up for debate, and hide ourselves behind the veil of political correctness....

clipper71 3 years, 3 months ago

The "family values" war candidate won. Way to go, brainwashed Kansans, way to go. Make your deity Fred Phelps proud.

coryweber 3 years, 3 months ago

Kansans are not brainwashed, and no one idolizes Douche bag Phelps. However, we have our own way of thinking and would like to see people such as yourself as well as people like Fred just pack up and leave. Bubye!

clipper71 3 years, 3 months ago

If Santorum wins the presidency, say "Bubye" to your civil liberties, though I could imagine the gulags will be manned by "Christians," gassing the political dissidents. Seriously, voting for Santorum is beyond ignorant, though I think Kansans embrace their ignorance, wearing it like a badge of honor.

sickofdummies 3 years, 3 months ago

Just curious...what civil liberties is Santorum trying to revoke? There is a lot of partisan comments and name calling. I'm just trying to find out the truth. Santorum is not my favorite candidate, but I guess I'm not aware exactly to what you are referring. Can you elaborate?

hujiko 3 years, 3 months ago

Women will lose autonomy over their own bodies, gay rights will suffer, and our secular government will cease to exist.

But hey, we're a christian nation right? Jesus fought hard so that only christianity would be allowed in America.

Bob Forer 3 years, 3 months ago

Well, for one, he would allow the States to be able to outlaw birth control, which is contrary to the Constitutional Right to Marital Privacy, as enunciated in the 1965 U.S. Supreme Court Case, Griswold vs. Connecticut.

sickofdummies 3 years, 3 months ago

You guys will need to see my comment below. Our government operates on a system of checks and balances. Just a little Government 101.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

And when did he say this? I may have missed it but I did hear his response to the question in the debates and that is not what he said.

BlackVelvet 3 years, 3 months ago

I'll help you pack so you can move out of Kansas if Santorum wins. How about that?

BlackVelvet 3 years, 3 months ago

I'll help you pack so you can move out of Kansas if Santorum wins. How about that?

ebyrdstarr 3 years, 3 months ago

I'm a Kansan. And my way of thinking is nothing like what you seem to think all Kansans share. Those of us who disagree with you have every right to be here and to fight for what we believe in.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 3 months ago

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." "

deec 3 years, 3 months ago

Will the last sane person out of Kansas please turn off the lights?

Grundoon Luna 3 years, 3 months ago

Dang! I didn't turn the lights out when I left in November!

clipper71 3 years, 3 months ago

No wonder Dorothy dreamed of flying over the rainbow.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

A rainbow of glitter and well muscled men gyrating to 1980's retro-pop.

Ending in a night of passion with Santorum leaking onto the bed.

patkindle 3 years, 3 months ago

Rick Santorum is the KING OF KANSAS , WOO WOO HOW ABOUT THAT, ?????????????????????

Don Whiteley 3 years, 3 months ago

Once a Republican, I find the Party, especially in Kansas, no longer represents my interests. They have abandoned the middle ground for the ultra right, and like all radicals, refuse to compromise. In the 70's, the Democratic Party nominated people on the radical left and they went down to landslide defeats until the Democrats realized that Americans will not elect a radical to the Presidency. Until the Republicans learn the same lesson, we can safely say that they will suffer the same fate. There is no surer way of re-electing Obama than standing Santorum up against him.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

Obama is part of the radical left, but he tries to hide it and the Media protects him. If he gets elected to a second term you will see a more to the left Obama than you see now. He is being restrained because he wants to re-elected.

The republicans are their own worst enemy in the sense that they make a conservative candidate lay it all out in public. They force them to time and time show how pro-life they are. While this makes the radical right happy, it helps make the candidate unelectable - they can't go into stealth mode and get elected.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

"Obama is part of the radical left, but he tries to hide it and the Media protects him."

Yea, and it's scandalous how they've covered up his marriage to a Martian princess and his three-eyed, green-skinned kids with her.

Armen Kurdian 3 years, 3 months ago

Romney is going to win the nomination, I don't think there's any way around it...he's got more than the other three combined right now. He'll win the rest of the New England states. He's not my favorite, and his conservative record is suspect, but I think he's the most "Presidential" of the four Republicans.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

I'll concede this much: Romney will probably win the nomination, but not the election. And, nobody remembers a loser.

coryweber 3 years, 3 months ago

For all the libs that aren't comfortable here and are offended by our right to choose the way we want to live, try going elsewhere. I f we suck so bad here, why stay? Go where there are others of like mind, we won't stop you. In fact I know a bunch of people with trucks that would be happy to help you move. If you came from somewhere else and would like Kansas to be more like where you came from... you could always go back and take a couple friends with you. The unofficial state motto is: Welcome to Kansas! Now go the hell home!

q_ball2kand1 3 years, 3 months ago

"For all the libs that aren't comfortable here and are offended by our right to choose the way we want to live" If I don't choose to live as a straight white catholic, will I be comfortable here?

hujiko 3 years, 3 months ago

Is relocation the only solution for those you disagree with? What's next, cattle cars that lead to incinerators?

Rhetoric aside, in America we have the right to disagree. If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to your opinion.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 3 months ago

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XULVB1B4q-E#t=2m45s

Frederic Gutknecht IV 3 years, 3 months ago

Just show your stripes and let us show you our stars...through difficulty (A.K.A. stripes). Your imprisonment in adulterated belief seems to create your exclusionary tendencies. Are you Christian? Are you?

clipper71 3 years, 3 months ago

"What's the matter with Kansas?"

Answer: Too many right-wing, Limbaugh-listening crazy people.

clipper71 3 years, 3 months ago

If Limbaugh and Hannity get off the airwaves, perhaps sanity will be restored to Kansas. It's OK to be conservative, but Kansans are voting for Neoconservatives like Santorum. Santorum is not a conservative.

question4u 3 years, 3 months ago

Why all the animosity? Kansas Republicans and Kansas Democrats want the same thing: Santorum as the Republican candidate in the general election.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

Oh, come now, Santorum would carry:

Nebraska, South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Montana & Idaho.

Whoot! Look at the company we're keeping!

ksjayhawk74 3 years, 3 months ago

Just a reminder: Rick Santorum has said he would give states the right to outlaw BIRTH CONTROL!!!

Please, someone who voted for Santorum, chime in and tell us why you think it's OK to vote for someone who is in favor of banning birth control.

This is the same guy that doesn't want Big Government imposing on people's lives.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

I'll take a stab at it. I don't support banning birth control, but with that said, I think we have strayed from the original idea of the United States of America.

In my opinion and readings, I think the idea was for the states to be united but still able to retain their own identity. We are trying to make all states the same so there is no place for people to go if they have a different life view.

States should be able to do things the federal government can't do. If a state wants to ban birth control then so be it. There will be states that allow it. Birds of a feather will flock together.

Certain things must be controlled by the government. For example, states cannot violate a person's liberty and freedom. Does banning birth control infringe upon someone's rights? I'm not sure, but that isn't the point. We need a country that is united and allowing states to have states to have individual identies (within limits) will actually make us a stronger more united country. The federal government can focus on the things it is authorized to deal with.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 3 months ago

"For example, states cannot violate a person's liberty and freedom." And in Kansas, gays aren't people.

Grundoon Luna 3 years, 3 months ago

Santorum and GOP don't want people having s3x if they aren't married, and those that are married to have s3x only to procreate. It's the most hypocritical stance ever embraced in my lifetime. They don't discuss the fact that those that use Viagrara, as well as other like drug, are used for one pupose only - to engorge a member so that intercourse can be accomplished - and by men that aren't likely of child rearing age. Do you remember the uproar men started when Medicare was not going to cover Viagara? They buckled immeidately and tax dollars then covered Viagara. Somehow the GOP has convinced small-minded people that insurers mandated to cover contraception is detrimental to freedom but allowing employers to deny any coverage that offends their moral fortitude is not. The GOP has a really jacked up concept of what freedom really is and Santorum is at the top! Think Rick will tap Brownie for a VP slot? chuckle

sickofdummies 3 years, 3 months ago

I think you are assuming the majority of a party cares about what you do or dont do. I am a republican, and I simply dont care if you are having sex or not. You are using the religious right as an example for all republicans. Is it ok to assume that all democrats are radical? Or that all muslims are terrorist? Generalizations and stereotyping are very closed minded and unintelligent responses to dealing with the issues.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 3 months ago

Santorum is a catholic. The puppet strings to the pope are not too carefully disguised.

kernal 3 years, 3 months ago

And the same can be said for our first Catholic President, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, a Democrat.

jafs 3 years, 3 months ago

Except that JFK explicitly said that the Constitution, not the Bible and religious belief, should guide our elected officials, including the President.

Santorum, and others like him, explicitly want religious belief to guide those in elected office.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

fred_mertz: Your argument is the same argument that our Bushwacker neighbors in Missouri and the Rebels in the south made to justify slavery.

It is the same argument that was used to justify segregation.

We are a federal republic whose central government is there to ensure the rights of the people.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men"

Access to birth control is a natural human right. So is freedom from state sponsored religion and the right to vote, with or without ID. So is control over one's own body.

This is simple stuff folks. The last set of jerkoffs that made a substantial issue over states rights got a visit from Gen. Sherman.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

lj, did you miss where i wrote the following? How does what I wrote not jive with what you just wrote?

Certain things must be controlled by the government. For example, states cannot violate a person's liberty and freedom.

We need a country that is united and allowing states to have states to have individual identies (within limits)

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

fred_mertz: In answer to your question "Does banning birth control infringe upon someone's rights?"

Yes. Women's rights.

People also have the right to marry who they want to and receive all of the benefits of marriage.

They have the right to control their own body.

When a state infringes on these rights, it is the roll of the Federal government to "make them all the same" and enforce the rights of the individual.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

Okay, but as I said that wasn't the point of my post. I did say it is the role of the federal government to protect people's rights but you seem to just want to argue so you ignore what I write.

And banning contraception isn't just a woman rights issue, it also applies to men too.

I agree that a state, under the US constitution probably shouldn't be able to ban contraception, but I haven't really studied the issue so I didn't want to say definitively which is why I left it open and because it didn't change my point about individual state identity.

So, are you against the 10th amendment and state rights?

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 3 months ago

He also said that any doctor that performed an abortion (a legal, safe medical proceedure as opposed to the old style coathanger abortions) should be thrown in jail. Direct quote.

Jean Robart 3 years, 3 months ago

You're right ksjayhawk. But I suspect that a vast majority of voters in America would not vote to outlaw birth control. I'd like to think Americans are brighter than that. We shouldn't vote for somebody who seems to be a one issue candidate. I would not, however, find it at all difficult to vote against a one issue candidate if I don't agree with his stand on that one issue. By the way, he is Catholic, not Christian

xclusive85 3 years, 3 months ago

You do realize that Catholics are Christians, right?

ThePilgrim 3 years, 3 months ago

"He portrayed himself as the non-establishment candidate "

Santorum never saw a Congressional tax raise, or big gov't program that he didn't like - until he ran for Pres.

Bob Forer 3 years, 3 months ago

So much for the family values candidate. His wife lived in sin with an abortionist doctor 40 years her senior and only left because she wanted kids and he had grown kids. You would think if Ricky were a true Christian, he could have found himself a real Christian girl.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

I suggest a little research. Christians do sin, do make mistakes and sometimes act in very unChristian-like ways, but Christians are called upon to change their ways and turn back to God's teachings when they stray. And importantly, they are called upon to not judge others and to forgive those that wrong us.

So, what someone did in the past is no indication of whether or not they are a Christian nor does looking beyond someone's past.

Bob Forer 3 years, 3 months ago

And by the same token, there is not guarantee that a person who claims to be a Christian will act Christian-like in the future.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

Right. And there is no guarantee that someone who promises to shut down Gitmo, not hire lobbyist, allow a time for public comment on legislation, end the Bush tax cuts, end the Patriot Act would actually do these things if elected. Fooled me once....

JayhawkFan1985 3 years, 3 months ago

I despise Santorum but I don't think it is cool to disparage his wife. She's not a public figure and most likely never will be.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

I'm sure that's true, JayhawkFan1985. After all, who remembers the wife of the man who lost the Presidential election to Abraham Lincoln?

sickofdummies 3 years, 3 months ago

I didn't vote for him. But, my thoughts are that no one person can make that kind of change. Thankfully, our forefathers ensured that when they created our government of checks and balances. Nothing can pass unless a majority of senate, congress AND the president agree. Incidentally, this is our saving grace and our biggest problem. Not only do we not need an extreme right wing president, we also should not have an extreme liberal one either. We need someone who is not interested in party politics, but in uniting our country to solve the problems at hand. Sadly, a candidate of that disciption would never be elected. People like their partisan politics too much.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

I think that Pres. Obama had hopes of being this guy, but that the environment in Washington is so poisonous and rotten with corruption that no one can be this guy.

Perhaps we need to move the capital. My first vote is for GPS Coordinates: ( 11.35, 142.2 ) http://g.co/maps/p2w5k

sickofdummies 3 years, 3 months ago

Obama was never going to be this guy. He just said that he was, and that's not the same thing. He is a politician just like the rest of them, and I have to agree with the poisonout atmosphere in politics. But, I do disagree that it is just in Washington. Take for instance this blog. Here you are trying to argue with one of the few people who is discussing this is a calm collected way. I am not arguing with you, only stating hopes for our country. I'd have to say that LJ World bloggers run a real close race of partisan attacks and poisonous responses with Washington. ALL Americans need to quit fighting, just to be fighting, and put our efforts toward compromise and solving the problems that need solving.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

"Nothing can pass unless a majority of senate, congress AND the president agree."

Wasn't there at least one war that was an exception?

Jan Rolls 3 years, 3 months ago

If he were a christian he would treat everyone equally. If he were a christian he wouldn't tell women what they can or cannot do. He is a sorry excuse a sexist and racist. His wife must be saying to herself that's ok rick I don't need to have a mind of my own.

tir 3 years, 3 months ago

Why should it surprise anyone that the same right-wing lot that elected Brownwhack would show up in droves and choose Sanctorum in the caucuses? That doesn't mean he will get the nomination, though. Plus, he's so far right on so many social issues that if he is chosen as the Republican nominee, he could end up being a liability to his party in the elections.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

Be quiet. He's Obama's best campaigner. With Santorum's help, he's got the election wrapped up already.

Patricia Davis 3 years, 3 months ago

Jesus would not judge. He would care for the poor. He would care for women. He would not be a hypocritical Pharisees. He would not be a Republican.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

"He would not be a Republican."

Or an American either, for that matter.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

If Jesus were alive today, he'd be ministering to the sick and the poor in the ghettos of India and Southeast Asia.

I rather doubt he'd be supporting the expansion of the United States nuclear arsenal the way that Santorum did when he was in office.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

And I doubt that He'd support killing Americans living overseas who have not been convicted of a crime nor would he support killing non-targeted Americans calling them collateral damage like Obama does right now in office.

evilpenguin 3 years, 3 months ago

Well if the US wasn't a country of warmongers, Americans living overseas wouldn't be getting killed

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

I guess my post wasn't as clear as it should have been. i was referring to the fact that the Obama administration has sanctioned killing Americans living overseas who they believe are a threat even though there has been no charges filed or convictions.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

I guess my post wasn't as clear as it should have been. i was referring to the fact that the Obama administration has sanctioned killing Americans living overseas who they believe are a threat even though there has been no charges filed or convictions.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

So what? In war you shoot the enemy regardless of what passport he carries.

This is well within the defined limits of LOAC.

Abdu Omar 3 years, 3 months ago

If Jesus were on earth today, he would be appalled that people are worshiping him and not God alone. Read the Bible and you will see that he never asked to be worshiped or claimed to be divine. He was a prophet and he brought Gods word to earth and those who exalted him made him God and forgot about the one God who created him and all things.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

John Chapter 10, verse 30: "I and the Father are one."

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

Read the post again - he said Gingrich. Gingrich disgusts me too, but he is a strong debater.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

its_just_math: "I am tired of seeing that plastic bleach blonde wife of his"

Just wait until you see her endorsements for plastic surgery!

Shaun Battles 3 years, 3 months ago

Is it just me, or would all 4 of these clowns make for a great reality TV show?

Santorum, Romney, Gingrich, Paul.

Let's put them all in one house for a few months, fire up some TV cameras, and battle it out.

Genius I'm telling you. Genius.

Jean Robart 3 years, 3 months ago

stick Obama in there too. Who would be the last man standing?

clovis_sangrail 3 years, 3 months ago

The gaping primates of Kansas have spoken, and the politics of homo neanderthalensis has triumphed, though were I the candidate, I would not crow too loudly about carrying the state in which the goat-gland doctor very nearly became governor.

Grundoon Luna 3 years, 3 months ago

Don't forget, Brinkley's audience was so far reaching had a good shot at president, too.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

Oh come now. We are also the state where "pro-life" christian activists murdered a doctor in a church on Sunday.

What's not christian about that?

Frothy!

clipper71 3 years, 3 months ago

Truly, Kansas is the land of the closed-minded, war-hungry, rapture lusting "Christians."

beatrice 3 years, 3 months ago

Oh. I see. It is the name our President went by during his days in college decades ago, but now he goes by his given name, Barack. I didn't realize you went to college with him and are on such familiar terms with the President of the United States of America to call him something he no longer goes by. What other reason would there be to call a President a name he doesn't go by?

So as I said, who is Barry? Mr. President would be more fitting.

ConcernedAmerican 3 years, 3 months ago

It's really too bad that all of this boils down to religion and politics. What do you think is going to happen to the economy with either Obama or a nutcase like Santorum (or Romney, or Newt)? It will continue to get worse and this country is gong to take a fall. We won't be worrying about abortions, homosexuality or contraceptives. We will all be learning how to survive on very little while the President is assassinating anyone who gets out of line.

Brock Masters 3 years, 3 months ago

I agree. Time to stop blaming the politicians and take responsibility ourselves for the mess we're in. We the people should be working together not against each other.

clipper71 3 years, 3 months ago

For the record, Iran is not a threat to the United State's security. Santorum's pro bomb Iran rhetoric is overheated and dangerous. Shame on anyone who allowed Limbaugh, Hannity, and other right-wing propagandists to convince you otherwise. Ron Paul was the only answer. Now, we'll be a full blown police state over the next 10 years, especially if Santorum wins the nomination and beats Obama. As for myself, I'll be voting for the peace candidate: Gary Johnson, the Libertarian, if Ron Paul doesn't run third party.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

You can write in Ron Paul if you want. Of course he's not going to win, but at least you could make a statement.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

And that statement is:

I want to vote for a candidate with no understanding of monetary policy, a foreign policy based on isolationism, and a plan to take us all back to the gilded age of child labor, monopolies and wholesale environmental destruction!

Hurray for brain cancer! Vote Ron Paul!

Chris Golledge 3 years, 3 months ago

From what I've seen, Santorum wants the government to play an active role in religious-based decisions like marriage, thinks he knows more about physics than the last 150 years worth of scientists, thinks the Christian story of creation is valid material for science classrooms, and that the Iraq war was a good idea.

For my two cents, that is delusional.

His other positions are a mixed bag of some that make sense and some that don't.

jayhawklawrence 3 years, 3 months ago

One of the major vulnerabilities of the Christian faith arises from the belief that Christ will return and it is through this belief that many imposters have appeared throughout history. Christians are in the habit of looking at candidates and trying to decide which one God is using and I think this habit contributes to the problem of overlooking a candidates faults and projecting your own ideals and imagined hopes and dreams onto the person you believe is "God's representative".

Rather than make the effort to actually research a candidates position in depth, it is easier to believe that a candidate has been sent by God solve all of your problems.

Unfortunately, I think we have a lot of people living with this state of mind.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

When I see a chariot of fire arriving from the Heavens above, He's got my vote.

kernal 3 years, 3 months ago

As well as those who are certain Christ was white, regardless of the era and place of his birth.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

I hope President Obama is working on his speech thanking the American people for reelecting him to be the President of the United States for another term.

He's going to need it, so he may as well start working on it now.

Kate Rogge 3 years, 3 months ago

Evangelicals came out in droves for the Republican caucuses to choose Santorum. The NY Times estimates evangelicals are a third of the Kansas electorate. If so, two-thirds of us will most likely vote for someone else, Romney or Obama, come November. Today was a sideshow and there's no sense getting upset over a carney act like Rick Santorum. IMO

Orwell 3 years, 3 months ago

A cinnamon roll? A Parker House roll? a roll in the hay?

kernal 3 years, 3 months ago

That would be role, none2, as in playing a part. Although a cinnamon roll sounds pretty good right now!

Enlightenment 3 years, 3 months ago

Hey Republicans, the caucus was to elect a government official to represent the interest of the majority and possibly lead the US in a noble and fair way. You are not voting to see who will be bishop or pope, enough with this religious BS.

clipper71 3 years, 3 months ago

The Tea Party people are clueless, for if they knew what they were doing they would vote for Ron Paul, who is the reason the movement became a movement in the first place. Social issues were not part of the platform until FOX News co-opted the group.

JayhawkFan1985 3 years, 3 months ago

Since republicans in the KS legislature can't read bills, does the republican party use pictures of the four candidates in the caucuses? Just asking...

How do the cypher them numbers afterwards? I'll bet Jethro carried the not a few times...

JayhawkFan1985 3 years, 3 months ago

does anyone remember when KS used to have primaries? It strikes me that when only a few thousand people participate in caucuses that undermines the selection process. That seems to be the true intent of the GOP, make it harder for moderate folks to participate and then the "right kind" of people will win. We need to oust the Taliban controlled GOP from this state and from the US house!

mr_right_wing 3 years, 3 months ago

I appreciate the entertainment value of the Kansas minority (Lawrence) reacting to the decision of the Kansas majority. If it weren't for this tiny blue speck in a red state things just wouldn't be as interesting!

Thanks folks.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

You know, we might have to shoot the right wing when they try to invade Lawrence. Keep your peace keepers handy folks.

Armstrong 3 years, 3 months ago

If I were an Obama supporter ( one of the few ) I would be very nervous. Numerous proven failed policies and severe lack of leadership is the nail in his coffin

Frederic Gutknecht IV 3 years, 3 months ago

I'm sure you just changed billions of votes with that snippet of blather. Thank you for your "proven failed policies". This message has been brought to you by "The Blather Exchange". Exchanging blather is what we do. "The Blather Exchange", helping the world to buy its own lies...since... that's what we all do anyway...

Armstrong 3 years, 3 months ago

Oh look a gifted poster learned a new word today. Look how many times blather was used. Now your english assignment is complete, hurry and tell your teacher

Frederic Gutknecht IV 3 years, 3 months ago

Thank you for your continuing support of The Blather Exchange!~)

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 3 months ago

I think I am going to throw up. This defrocked Pennsylvania psuedo-senator is the worst possible choice for president, Republican or any other party. He is as phony as a 3 dllar bill. But the addled, btrainwashed limbots of Kansas have still not seen what they are getting with the Republican Terrorist Party. The actions of a theocrat governer, secretary of state and others who are devoted followers of the Religious Reich should be a wake up call to all. But I imagine that the klan, and the militia dolts have their impact and we will be saddled with this right wingnut bigot. I do seriously doubt that he will beat out Romney, but thestinking pall of stupidity that this thrown on Kansas is almost unbearable.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

its_just_math, "Obama will be re elected"

He doesn't even need to campaign.

jafs 3 years, 3 months ago

And the shift is complete.

From "Obama will lose" to "Obama may lose" to "Obama will be hard to beat" to "Obama will be re-elected".

The bet you originally proposed doesn't look like such a good one anymore, does it?

But, on a serious note, I'm sorry to hear that you don't care anymore - we should all care about what happens to our country. I'd just suggest that you try to look at things a bit more objectively, and not through the lens of various right wing spin doctors.

Perhaps Obama wouldn't look so terrible then.

ljwhirled 3 years, 3 months ago

He is going to win.

Makes you wonder how much those "our primary goal is to make him a one term president" folks could have benefited their constituents and our nation if they had simply compromised with the president and worked for a better future.

Armored_One 3 years, 3 months ago

I didn't know that provincial theocracies actually had elections... the things you learn online, I swear.

But all sarcasm aside, can anyone give me a GOOD reason that religion should be involved in politics?

I can show an easy half dozen reasons politics shouldn't be involved.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 3 months ago

Religion is involved in politics because so many people are completely controlled by their fantisies and fables about various religious dogma. Some will argue with you that the bible is "completely true and exactly correct" having not a whit of information on just who wrote those "scriptures" and how they were compiled. But don't waste your time trying to explain this to them, they are too busy writing checks to the preachers on TV and the local church that spends millions on huge edifices and complete city blocks of "family life" sructures to keep themselves insulated from the society undesirables, the blacks, the native Americans, the latinos, the muslims, the democrats, et al. Most church organizations are rife with such hypocricy. But when it comes to politics, their view of "His" view is unshakable.

verity 3 years, 3 months ago

I would be interested in knowing exactly what people are looking for in a president. I wonder if we really think about that when we decide who to vote for or make our decisions for reasons that are less than rational.

I remember that a lot of people liked George W. Bush's in your face attitude and/or thought he would be fun to have a beer with. He certainly didn't come across as being very intelligent---at least I didn't think so. I will never understand the dislike for education or intelligence that seems to be popular recently.

Am I right that a lot of people want someone they see as being like themselves? Quite frankly, I don't want someone like myself as president. I want someone who is a lot more competent, more learned, intelligent and wise. I want someone who is more pragmatic than ideologue, who can admit when something isn't working and change it, who is looking out for the best interests of the whole country, not some blind ideology.

I remember a few years ago PBS did a series on the presidents and it seemed hardly an, until recently, wanted to be president. Maybe that is our problem now. It takes so much ambition and money that any person who wants to be president isn't fit for the job.

Another thing is that being the most powerful person in the world and having all the responsibility that goes along with it is really too much to expect from any human being. Anybody who thinks they should have that job has got to be arrogant.

verity 3 years, 3 months ago

4th paragraph---"hardly any"

I hate it when that happens.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

I can answer your question about "exactly what people are looking for in a president."

Inexperience.

jafs 3 years, 3 months ago

Nice post.

I've often wondered about that myself.

My suspicion is that different people are looking for different things in a president, some of which are more consciously understood than others.

Given the massive amounts of money poured into tv ads, and the extremely effective nature of advertising, I think that many people are convinced to "buy" a president, much as they are convinced to buy products.

This is generally not a rational process - advertising manipulates people on a less conscious and irrational basis.

And, I agree, anybody who really wants the job must be a bit nuts.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 3 years, 3 months ago

-The Presidency- . One club membership that Groucho would forgo. . A powerless tool in the box. . Part of a rich guy's portfolio. . The epitome of "I pity the fool." moving from power to emasculation... . One who passes through the 2nd Order of angels, as a spy . A magically distracting focus of political action$ . A blathering dream

verity 3 years, 3 months ago

Reading the comments this morning, it suddenly occurred to me that we seem to be on a race for the bottom---most likely unintentional, but nevertheless where we are going. I was thinking that if Santorum is elected, he will make George W Bush look good, just the way I began longing for the Clinton years after Bush became president.

If my math is correct (and it is not one of my strong suites) only 1/25 of registered Republicans showed up for the caucases. From the results it would appear that the very slight majority of those who did were the extreme religious right. (I'm assuming they are the ones who would vote for Santorum.) But he will get over 80% of the Kansas delegates. Something seems very wrong here.

  1. Why does the person who spends the most money usually win? It would seem that Jafs argument about advertising is correct to a large extent and I find that very disturbing.

  2. We should be voting in numbers approaching 100%. We have no excuses. People in countries where they risk death by appearing at the polls often seem to vote in higher percentages than we do.

I apparently wasn't clear in my question, but what I want to know is what the people posting here are personally looking for in a president.

jafs 3 years, 3 months ago

How the parties structure their delegate process is apparently up to them, so each one can do what they like in that regard.

I also find it disturbing.

Agreed.

Personally, I'm looking for an intelligent, reasonably mature person who is interested in improving our country so that it works as it should, and we live up to our values domestically, and also interested in a less violent, less militaristic foreign policy which focuses more on making friends than enemies, and acting consistently with our stated beliefs in freedom, democracy, etc.

It would also be nice for them to be interested in fiscal soundness, reversing our increasing deficits, and reducing the national debt.

Obama certainly has flaws, and isn't ideal for me, but he's quite a bit better than McCain would have been.

verity 3 years, 3 months ago

Obama was not my first choice and I have been disappointed in him and think Biden was a bad choice for VP, but I too certainly prefer Obama to McCain and Biden to Palin.

Yeoman2, unfortunately I think you are right. I think we need a lot more voter education and would like to get into that, but can't figure how to do so. I suspect it won't do a lot of good as long as people don't know how to think critically. Training to think needs to start at a very young age.

I also think anger has a lot to do with what is happening in our state and country today. Angry people are usually easy to manipulate and politicians, commentators and political operatives have become very good at doing that.

Add that together with the current suspicion of education and intelligence (the "elite") and the apparent drive to dumb us down and you don't have a pretty picture.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 3 months ago

In Australia, voter turnout is 95 percent of registered voters. The reason is simple: It's the law. Those who fail to vote risk a fine and, in rare cases, imprisonment. Advocates of mandatory voting argue it's a sensible way to ensure that elections reflect the will of all of the people. Only 67 percent of American registered voters, by contrast, bothered to show up on Election Day in 2000.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_best_policy/2004/10/you_must_vote_its_the_law.html

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 3 months ago

Verity, I hate to mention this, but most people have no idea of how the three part structure of our government (Executive, Legislaative and Judicial) are organized and supposed to work. Ask 10 people to give you this I have just noted. Why would they know anything about just what a president is supposed to do? Some of the candidates do not, they are going to do "this" or "that" when they have absolutely no power to do any of these things.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 3 months ago

So out of 750,000 or so registered republicans, only 30,000 or so showed up to vote in the caucus. Once again, a minority of crack-pots speak for the majority. Shame on you if you're a registered republican and you didn't bother to vote. Not that it matters which republicrat or democan gets "elected". Obama will be reelected.

Bob Forer 3 years, 3 months ago

There are a lot republicans who are not crackpots, especially the intellectual "true" conservatives, e.g., the columnist, George Will, who have issues with the entire republican field. With the choices available, why bother?

Armstrong 3 years, 3 months ago

So we can correct the error form the last election

JayhawkFan1985 3 years, 3 months ago

You would have preferred McCain and Palin? They would have continued the actual failed policies of Bush and Cheney that led us into war in Iraq and massive economic calamity. You remind me of the character Dori from the Disney/Pixar movie Finding Nemo. Dori had only short term memory. She couldn't remember anything that happened as recently as a few moments ago...

Armstrong 3 years, 3 months ago

McCain, Hillary,Mit, Huckabee, because they have what ? Say it with me - experience and Obama has ( still ) say it with me - no experience.

And BTW better Dori then Frankenstein ' 85

mr_right_wing 3 years, 3 months ago

Fort Lawrence, still the most easterly holdout of the San Franciso hippies.

JayhawkFan1985 3 years, 3 months ago

The right wing of the GOP...the new home for the Taliban

Bob Forer 3 years, 3 months ago

Why do all my republican friends occupy the lower hahf of the Bell Curve and sell Amway?

Armstrong 3 years, 3 months ago

Better effect when you can spell small words like half correctly. if thats too tough use fractions or decimals

Richard Heckler 3 years, 3 months ago

Santorum will bring back warmed over Bush family of politicians wreckanomics not fiscally responsible management of OUR tax dollars.

Santorum will bring MORE BIG GOVERNMENT telling women what to do and giving MORE TAX DOLLARS to the wealthy corporate USA tax dollar moochers which is facism pure and simple.

Santorum is a wealthy white collar radical right wing extremists who by the way has spent his last few years as a lobbyists. Got defeated and run out of congress only to become a high dollar lobbyists.

What the hell are voters thinking? Since when does a defeated congressman and now a lobbyists make for a good choice?

Richard Heckler 3 years, 3 months ago

We must remember the country was under the government watch of Bush/Cheney who twice sent the economy down the tubes in 8 years.

  1. Their inability to keep the FBI on the trail 24/7 of the 9/11/01 culprits which sent the economy down the tubes. Yes citizens should have demanded loudly their resignations.

  2. The Bush/Cheney/Paulson home loan fraud perpetrated against America again sent the economy down the tubes. Where are the resignations?

In real life this type of management would have resulted in termination without question.

Since government malfeasance was the source of millions of jobs losses it seems it would be the role of government to put the unemployed back to work.......without question.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 3 months ago

I'd swear that I saw this very same post on another thread of this award-winning website today. (from a source)

kernal 3 years, 3 months ago

Do you perceive reading comments as stalking?

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 3 months ago

Of course Romney did not come to Kansas. All he has to do is look at the theocratic idiologues that have been elected as governer, senators and secretary of state. Who whould want to waste time on a ready- made wasteland of clueless wonks who bother to vote.

JayhawkFan1985 3 years, 3 months ago

Wonk implies thinking. The bunch you are describing thinks about as much as the rocks in my backyard.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 3 months ago

I hope they all vote for Santorum in November as well.

lwctown 3 years, 3 months ago

People in Kansas will always vote republican. It doesnt matter how good for Kansas a certain non republican candidate could be they wil still vote republican. I have lived in Kansas all my life and as I have grown older and learned to think for myself I have become increasingly shocked at how "republican at all cost" so many Kansasans continue to be. I am certainly not a subscriber to the "whats wrong with kansas" as there is alot right to Kansas when compared to other states. The people in Kansas should wake up and realize that the 100% rightwing conservative approach is not always the solution.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

I am proud of the people of Kansas for standing up to the establishment--even the Republican establishment that wants Romney in the worst way--and voting for a working class candidate who supports bringing manufacturing jobs and economic growth back to our nation. Rick Santorum is not a perfect candidate but he makes a connection with the average folks and that is why he is doing well in Kansas. Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney should take note that the mainstream of middle America wants to retain our moral and religious rights and values and we want to make America strong again by bringing back many of those manufacturing jobs that were lost over the last 30 years. Go rick Santorum!

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