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KU prof: Gay marriage bans had ‘ironic outcome’

March 2, 2012


A Kansas University researcher says that gay marriage bans may have generated empathy for same-sex couples and their families.

Political science professor Don Haider-Markel has researched gay and lesbian political movements in the United States. He also wrote "Out and Running: Gay and Lesbian Candidates, Elections and Policy Representation."

Haider-Markel says that without states pushing to ban same-sex marriage in the 1990s, people might not have been exposed to stories about the difficulties gay couples experience without marriage. Haider-Markel called that opinion-changing coverage "an ironic outcome."

Today, six states and the District of Columbia have made same-sex marriage legal, and 12 more recognize civil unions or have domestic partner laws. Recently, three more state legislatures voted to permit gay marriage, although the New Jersey legislation was vetoed.


eel 6 years, 2 months ago

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always_correct 6 years, 2 months ago

Is this a real comment or are you trolling? Because it's pretty ridiculous.

always_correct 6 years, 2 months ago

Is this a real comment or are you trolling? Because it's pretty ridiculous.

blindrabbit 6 years, 2 months ago

My guess the same kind of repercussions will follow with the "right" bashing "womens rights" of birth control and other health issues.

WilburM 6 years, 2 months ago

So you clearly know Prof. Haider-Markel, who has researched and written on this general area for 20 years. You know he's "nutty" and "left-wing." Gee, that's swell. He simply gave an informed opinion. but that's something you would know nothing about.

akuna 6 years, 2 months ago

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booyalab 6 years, 2 months ago

No replies citing "faux news", I'm very disappointed.

christy kennedy 6 years, 2 months ago

What I get from this is that public opinion has been tracked before, during and after the issue was raised in various states and the results were simply a record of changes, one way or another, in public opinion. Common sense and just paying attention is enough for anyone to have observed that that when a vocal minority pushes legislation that discriminates against some segment of society, that the large and generally silent mass of moderate citizens—as a group, slowly lumbering along, generally evolving in its collective humanity—are made aware of the issue, the discrimination, and the plight of those discriminated against. Many of those people, once informed, are instructed by their decency and empathy and choose to side with those who feel that "equal rights" means !!DOH!! equal rights FOR ALL of us. That you get "left wing radical" from someone simply quantifying public opinion is so typical and yet so mind boggling. Facts and figures are apparently not your friends.

Greg Cooper 6 years, 2 months ago

And why,would you think that divorce numbers would come down? Your lack of logic is amusing, in that you are simply trying to "stir the pot".

Any marriage is at risk of dissolving because people are people and there is no evidence that LGBT people are any better--or worse--at relationships than you and me and all the other "taditional" folks out there.

Perhaps you'd be better off arguing your "conservative" (i.e., I don't like change or anybody unlike me) theories than asking silly questions that arise from false logic and fear.

XEPCT 6 years, 2 months ago

Actually the government is throwing away millions locking up pot-heads. How does that benefit society?

and I think that you mean 'pity' not empathy

booyalab 6 years, 2 months ago

Without some form of empathy, liberals would have no support for any of their policies.

christy kennedy 6 years, 2 months ago

Are you suggesting empathy is a bad thing?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

Sadly, for most "modern" conservatives, empathy has become a four-letter word.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

Certainly, viewing the world with a black/white lens isn't good no matter the perspective.

But there is no comparable "hard left" in this country to the "hard right" that has taken control of the Republican Party. And even if there was, by definition, people who have a progressive viewpoint believe in some level of egalitarianism (based on empathy, ) whereas modern conservatism is rooted ever more in a rather petty, institutionalized form of Schadenfreude.

That's not to say that people on the left can't or don't fall into ineffective dogmatism, but it's inaccurate to say that the right and the left are merely mirror images of each other.

booyalab 6 years, 2 months ago

Actually, I was just stating a fact. The possibility for a second interpretation was just for fun.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

Certainly not for the Koch brothers of the world, who spend $billion to further entrench the plutocracy that serves them so well.

booyalab 6 years, 2 months ago

I disagree. They give lots of empathy, but they expect much more in return. (if by empathy we mean money)

Jimo 6 years, 2 months ago

The thesis that (A) bans on same-sex marriage rights caused (B) public sympathy not only seems quite unlikely but fail to provide much in convincing evidence. (I assume that the article is just poorly written and that the Prof's thesis is in fact far more nuanced.)

Far more likely is that A and B are the products of larger social forces with B being a direct consequence and A being a counter-consequence.

A more intriguing approach would explore how larger legal privacy changes (Griswold: contraception!) and the rise of the internet (which allowed both privacy and group communication) led to a more assertive same-sex community - socially, politically, and legally -- willing to publicly contradict what now seem laughably negative stereotypes that once governed the topic. The days when people seriously asserted that gays are out to molest your children or judges wrote legal decisions claiming that homosexuality had to be suppressed to preserve the species are now (thankfully) gone (Santorum notwithstanding).

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