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Large crowd gathers at Statehouse rally for religious freedom

June 29, 2012, 11:00 a.m. Updated June 29, 2012, 4:16 p.m.

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— A large crowd is rallying at the Kansas Statehouse against what the state's Catholic bishops and other social conservatives view as attacks by the federal government on religious freedom.

Gov. Sam Brownback has urged a large crowd at the Kansas Statehouse to work to overturn a federal government policy designed to ensure that most employers' health plans cover contraceptive.

Brownback joined the state's Roman Catholic bishops Friday in decrying the policy as an attack on religious freedom. Several thousand people attended.

The rally is part of a nationwide campaign prompted by the mandate announced by President Barack Obama earlier this year.

The mandate included a religious exemption for houses of worship but not religiously affiliated hospitals, charities, universities and social service agencies. Obama later announced a modification, but Catholic bishops nationwide viewed it as inadequate.

U.S. Sen. Jerry Moran had been scheduled to speak but was detained in Washington by Senate business.

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 9 months ago

Religious freedom is being sold as the freedom to impose your religious beliefs on everyone, including those who do not share them.

What this comes down to is power and bully tactics by those who want their beliefs enforced on everyone.

It is not a atretch at all to compare this tactic to those used by the taliban to institute sharia law.

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Kirk Larson 1 year, 9 months ago

What do you want to bet better than half of the women attending are currently using the contraceptives their church is against?

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jayhawklawrence 1 year, 9 months ago

Anarchy:

1.A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority. 2.Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

Interesting that you should mention this word since I have thought for a long time that the Tea Party and the right wing wack jobs are a modern day representation of the word.

More to the point, we are finally seeing the fruit of years of work behind the scenes by organizations such as ALEC to deceive the American people in to thinking a greedy and selfish government that rewards the wealthy and powerful is somehow "patriotic" and even "Biblical" and the weak and vulnerable in our society are somehow selfish, lazy and not worth caring about.

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beatrice 1 year, 9 months ago

Bunch of people gathered for religious freedom ... and they weren't rounded up and arrested?

Guess they have that freedom after all.

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jayhawklawrence 1 year, 9 months ago

Unfortunately, this is not going to go well for the Catholics in my view because religion and politics don't mix and generally one corrupts the other.

The Catholic Church has gone through periods of real religious persecution, but this is not religious persecution. They are being taken advantage of by shrewd politicians.

The best way for the Catholic Church to regain traction in my view is to get back to what they do best, serving the poor and vulnerable in our society and teaching.

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ShePrecedes 1 year, 9 months ago

Just blame it on the Butler, Sam. This pope has one leg in the grave, and the next Pope will be the anti-christ, the end of the Catholc church as we know it.

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ShePrecedes 1 year, 9 months ago

Sam, we all know this Pope is the next to the last pope. Why on earth do you continue to further the extremely dark side of the Roman Catholic faith? Jesus! Surely you know that the Catholic church is DYING!

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Paul R Getto 1 year, 9 months ago

"Several thousand people attended." The Topeka paper noted many in the crowd were bussed in. Makes me wonder: 1. Where they came from? and 2. Who paid for the busses?

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jayhawklawrence 1 year, 9 months ago

I think it is a good time to let some of the air out of this issue and I would do that by looking at the possibility of a workable voucher system for private education.

This would appeal to Catholics and it is a compromise and we need to start considering compromise as a goal in order to end the political polarization in this country.

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BornAgainAmerican 1 year, 9 months ago

Not a peep from Scott Rothschild on the Catholic gathering in Topeka. Only extremist ideologues will attempt to deny his far left biased reporting as the LJW man on the street in Topeka.

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jafs 1 year, 9 months ago

You use the words "accommodation" and "compromise", but the truth is that allowing the churches to discriminate is simply upholding their rights above the rights of others.

It's difficult to know where to draw the line, of course, and churches are clearly in the "business" of providing charitable services, but at some point, if they employ non believers and function as a similar non religiously based organization, then it seems to make sense to treat them similarly.

What if the church's belief system includes not providing services to gay folks? Or unmarried couples? Etc.?

Do we ever step in and say that the rights of the others are more protected than the right of the churches?

As I said, it's a tricky issue, and I don't know the answer, but I do know that it's a choice between whose rights get protected, when there's a conflict. Accommodation and compromise make it sound like everybody gets a little bit, and that's not what happens.

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Flap Doodle 1 year, 9 months ago

The Progressive religion will be the only one allowed if some folks have their way.

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Kate Rogge 1 year, 9 months ago

jhawkinsf: I believe any time a religious organization owns and operates a -- what? a service? -- a service that others (not of that religion or of that religious organization) may also operate for profit -- both of them are providing the same service: one for profit and one non-profit -- then I believe that service, regardless of the owner's religion, is a business and not a religion or that religion's sacred church. A business, owned by anyone, is a business subject to secular business laws. I regret we disagree about where to draw that line when a Church believes it is not a business when they provide a marketed service, but I appreciate that we've both tried to make ourselves clear to the other. It's been an interesting conversation.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

No representation without taxation. This goes for any religion; Catholic, Protestant or the FSM.
That said, using government to shove your ideology down the throats of people that want nothing to do with it was anathema to the founders of this country and is to me as well. If the Catholic Church wishes to receive tax money contributed by ALL citizens then they cannot limit services to just those with which they are ideologically comfortable. Bottom line, either make those services available or give up the grants.

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BornAgainAmerican 1 year, 9 months ago

This web site needs a lot of work. Several of my posts appear in my history, but do not show up when I try to view them in the actual forum. I am certain that they do not violate the TOS. What's up with that?

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 9 months ago

No one is prohibiting the free practice of religion. However, to these folks, "religious freedom" means the freedom to impose your religion and beliefs on others using the bully tactics of the majority.

How do we decide whose religious views get imposed on everyone? Is it simply a religious war between beliefs (catholic, protestant, sharia) wherein the biggest and strongest bully is able to impose their beliefs on the rest of society?

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JackMcKee 1 year, 9 months ago

Funny thing, 90% of Catholics admit to using birth control.

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woodscolt 1 year, 9 months ago

The fake christians and the fake governor equals the radical right wing republicans, whom, by the way, are all about telling people how to live while cry babying about being told they can have access to contraceptives because study after study shows that women's overall health dramatically increases with the availability of contraceptives. As the old saying goes, to bad the little boys didn't require contraceptives or the catholic church would have been all over the idea.

Contraceptives save money and dramatically improve the health and well being of women. By all means you wackos, make a fool out of yourselves gathering at the capitol building with brownbackwards attacking womens rights

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kansanbygrace 1 year, 9 months ago

"While the organ pealed potatoes, lard was rendered by the choir. While the preacher prayed devoutly, someone set the church on fire. "Holy Smoke!" the preacher shouted, an in the fire he lost his hair. Now his head resembles heaven, for there is no parting there."

105 in the shade, hotter in the sun. Families with six and nine little kids, all trussed up in black suit coats, while mom and dad wore their T-shirts.

Would rather see the effort directed at making life's most awful situations more bearable for their neighbors, than repeating barely sensible rhetoric for hours on end.

But then, maybe that's the difference between these political "Christians" and those who actually follow Christ in the way they live their lives.

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tange 1 year, 9 months ago

So, what was it that religious adherents were rendering at the Statehouse?

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Dignitas 1 year, 9 months ago

Alrighty you want government health care? You thought HMOs were bad wait til you've got some guy in DC or the IRS deciding whether your value to the greater good warrants your right to that health care. You've got it now. So I hope you'll be well til your dead. Slave... why that is apart of this conversation I don't know. But there is still slavery world wide. Slavery like we had here and slavery to governmental control. Then there is slavery to ones own vices etc.. The the nuns on the bus thing aren't out for what you think they are out for. They need prayer. God called them to be His bride and bring the love of Christ to the world .. what are they really doing but being a bunch of bitter malcontents. God established His church to lead all to the love He has for His creation. When anyone of us step out from under His Sacred Heart to behave in a manor unworthy of Him we have failed. Evolution is listed here to.. why I don't know. But I'm thinking that evolution has got to be the most difficult faith tradition to hold onto... the ooze of the earth got together with the fish then produced monkeys alright.. then outta the blue Viola human happened. Were there female and male monkeys? Or just one size makes all monkeys. Then the humans being apparently only male according to the evolutionary chart just up and transformed into a women. Then I guess the ooze the fish and the monkeys had a meeting and decided by a Democratic vote to stop evolving. Poor Fred though he was still in the process of ooze, fish monkey transformation so he was given the role of posing for the picture .. to be used by Darwin some bazillion years later totell you where you came from. OK whatever.. Plus none Christian tick me off to no end with their self righteous attidudes toward Christian ..

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Roland Gunslinger 1 year, 9 months ago

Please understand this. Atheists and secularists don't care that you believe in God. We don't want to prevent you from worshiping, praying, or doing whatever it is you do.

So pray at church, pray at home, in your car, at your friends house, in the street, at the top of a mountain, whenever, wherever, however you want.

What we are asking for is that in the few places we have to coexist- schools, government buildings, work, the laws we enact, our healthcare- we ask that we not be forced to participate in your belief system.

Is this really too much to ask?

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BornAgainAmerican 1 year, 9 months ago

Liberals fear and attack Christians wherever and whenever they have the opportunity. They know that Christians are a strong cohesive group and stalwarts of traditonal America. This is part of the culture war Bill Oreilly has written a book about. Socialists, Communists and Marxists (commonly referred to as the far left) have taken control of the Democratic Party in the United States. It is no longer the party of John Kennedy or "Give 'em Hell" Harry Truman. They are moving us to a welfare state that will surely go the way of Greece if traditional Americans do not stand up and be counted in November. Shame on the first black president for setting race relations back 50 years and creating diviseness and chaos with his manufactured war on women, class warefare, and wealth re-distribution. He has shown total dis-regard for the Constitution despite the fact that he has taken an oath to preserve, protect and defend it. The examples are many. Back door amnesty for all illegal immigrants, executive privilege for hsi friend AG With-Holder in Fast and Furious, White House security leaks which have compromised our national security and resulted in death and imprisonment of our foreign agents, crony capitalism, poor jusdgement, drunken sailor spending, credit down grade, corrupt deals (Louisiana Purchase and Nebraska Kickbacks) to ram Obamacare down our throats...and the list goes on and on. This country cannot survive another 4 years of this incompetent fool.

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ivalueamerica 1 year, 9 months ago

malarkey like this is great because the Catholic church is doing a much better job than I can of making it irrelevent and powerless over the rest of us.

Their recent spate with the US nuns is going to cost them a lot more than they realize. Telling them that they were radicals for spending too much time with the poor and not enough time on social political issues will blow up..however it is exactly what this Pope wants.

He wants a greatly diminished church were only the uber faithful are members and then rebuild that

The church needs to stop mandating policy for the rest of us or at least, face taxaction.

I am a Christian, the church has nothing to do with Christianity, nor have they for centuries.

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Quo_Vadis 1 year, 9 months ago

The government is impinging on the freedom of religion. Their "compromise" that the insurance pay for the contraception is ludicrous. A large number of hospitals and universities are self insured thus it is the same as having them pay for it.

Contraception is NOT being restricted and the church is not pushing for its restriction. The Church is refusing to pay for it when used as a contraceptive.

This country was founded by people who were seeking a place to worship freely from the government. It is part of the first Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF..."

If you ignore impingement of the first Amendment because you don't like the Catholic church you can expect further erosion of other rights as the government grows even further.

To the left, it well may be from the right next time.

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bigtoe 1 year, 9 months ago

How come that great fair and balanced Scott Rothschild wasn't the one to report this activity at the State Capital - that's his beat isn't it? You can't keep him away from the keyboard every time 10 or more flea bitten hippies or illegals sets foot on the street in Topeka, and since the LJW acknowledges that it's a "large crowd" how come we don't get an estimation of the size like we do in every one of Scottie's write ups?

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Enlightenment 1 year, 9 months ago

"Large crowd gathers at Statehouse rally for religious freedom" but an even larger in KS without insurance. 350,000 Kansas residents without insurance and a handful of religious people don't want to pay for contraceptives.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 9 months ago

All bloggers on this subject and particularly those of right-wing persuasions and Catholics. The most logical blog on this subject and one of the most enlightening comments I've seen in a long time was indicated on a youtube reference posted by Crazy_Larry (11th blog on this story). I encourage you to listen to this 3 minute revelation by a Catholic priest. Follow this and your "Dark Ages" will disappear! Have fun!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-b-fy or go back up to his post to open

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CheneyHawk 1 year, 9 months ago

As a Catholic, IMHO, the women of the church and Nuns on the Bus are going in the right direction and continue to focus on the good to provide the world and the men of the church (Bishops & Rome) are missing the point, barking up the wrong tree and wasting alot of energy. We should be praying weekly during mass for the victims of clergy abuse. We should be supporting education, charity care in hospitals and taking care of the poor.

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 9 months ago

Let's assume the catholic church gets its way.

This means that anyone employed by a catholic institution (university, hospital, etc.) and receiving their health insurance through their job would not have contraception and other reproductive medicine covered.

All around, the catholic church is mounting a strong argument in favor of single payer health care that is removed from one's employment status.

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Corey Williams 1 year, 9 months ago

What does jesus say about abortion? Or contraceptives? In fact, where in the bible does it say anything about either of those issues? How can innocent blood be shed when none of us is innocent due to the doctrine of original sin?

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Flap Doodle 1 year, 9 months ago

Is the crowd larger than the typical dozen people who show up for disappointed progressive causes? ( ... from ... a ... source ...)

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Mike Ford 1 year, 9 months ago

falsie.....don't make me bring up the wd-40 gene, you know the archie bunker gene.....dumb people clowning on intelligence.....does that really work???? baiting a reporter.....does that really work......naw signs of weakness I guess....

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Mike1949 1 year, 9 months ago

I might go and protest, but not for the same reason they are there. I want Freedom From Religion! I am tired of ALL Religious People Trying To Control, Dictate, Tell Me How To Think, What Attitudes I Am Suppose to have, You Name it. I am a Christian, and I believe in God, but I don't believe in the racist, discriminatory ideals that many of these so called religious people are spouting out about every day of my life. These people are a joke! We even have one of these jokers running for an education position so they can corrupt our children! Now that pisses me off!

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Michael LoBurgio 1 year, 9 months ago

Cancer, cysts, endometriosis, polycystic ovary syndrome, & more: when birth control isn't used for birth control

In 1957, when the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first birth-control pills, it wasn’t for birth control. The contraceptives won approval as a treatment for severe menstrual disorders; temporary infertility was a side effect. Funny, women across the country suddenly started complaining in droves about severe menstrual disorders.

As religiously-affiliated organizations, such as Catholic hospitals and universities, continue to complain about federal policies that would require that health insurance cover family planning (President Obama worked out a compromise deal under which the insurance companies would absorb the cost, but the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops still sees this as undue interference), one issue hasn’t come up much: What about when birth control isn’t for birth control?

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-birth-control-healthcare-20120327,0,1052001.story

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Dignitas 1 year, 9 months ago

What does Jesus teach that the Catholics aren't asking for from the government? I'm certain He said give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. Caesar didn't give the right to life to anyone God did. Just think if all those aborted people were here we wouldn't have a tax issues. They'd all be paying taxes. 53 million people would be paying a lot of taxes. Im also certain that businesses are still required to do the governments biding even tho they pay taxes. So either way the government is involving itself in all our business no matter what our tax responsibility is.. Still... the fight the church and its people are involved with is valid and just. When you are in the battle to post your comments here (when that happens, because it will if things keep going this way) I guarantee Catholics will support you.

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Dignitas 1 year, 9 months ago

Liberalism controls more people then any faith ever tried. Oh and I see people having their heads cut off everyday in Catholic churches around the world. Its always in the news. Haven't you seen it too. It is a belief of Gods people that every child comes from God and that life is to be given every chance to live. Contraceptives are just a license to behave in a manor contrary to what is intended for a womens body. To bring new life into this world. That's doesn't say in anyway a women is less then a man or that that is her only value. It is only the most beautiful gift.. to be someones mommy. But if you knew what was being fought for by the Catholic church you'd know it wasn't to control you. It is to keep the government from making Catholics do things they consider morally reprehensible. That doesn't belong in the hands of any government .. and isn't left to anyone's opinion. It is a right that was given to us all when this country was started. If you don't want to comply there isn't one person forcing you to be Catholic. if you are Catholic and agree that the people that find this morally reprehensible have no right standing up for what your church has believed and practiced from the beginning then you may find that your not in good standing with your church. The laws and practices of Islam is not in anyway a comparison to what the Catholic church teaches on contraceptives. The Catholic church honors a women in the manor that God intended. Why in the world would the Catholic church honor so many women through out the centuries if they just wanted them stuff in a box and used by men. The priests that behaved in a ugly and evil way to children are not every priest. But that is 1% of priest and from years ago. I see teachers, pastors brothers uncles neighbors friends of family's etc on the news nighty that have molested children. Priest are good holy men trying to live out their vocation in the world in the manor they've been called by God. With the world stepping on their necks everytime they turn around Most people hate the Catholic church by what they assume shebelieves and teaches not by what she really believes and teaches. If you are of the opinion that priests wouldn't do these things if they could marry, that's not what they are called to do. Everyone of them know that before they become a priest.. they are not secretly lead into this practice. Plus if marriage was the answer to fidelity then there wouldn't be any other marriages following apart because of infidelity.

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BornAgainAmerican 1 year, 9 months ago

Hey Scottie...Your silence is deafening.

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Enlightenment 1 year, 9 months ago

If the Catholic Church wasn't so interested in controlling women, they wouldn't have to protest and try to become exempt from the ACA to keep women from taking control of their body and reproductive issues. If the Catholic Church prohibits contraceptive use, one would think it shouldn't matter if contraceptives are available or not because in theory, good little Catholic women would choose not to use contraceptives.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 9 months ago

Martin Luther tried to resolve this vexing Catholic issue in 1517 in Wittenberg, Germany. Apparently the papists are still trying to influence the folks that left Papal dogma behind. Ironically, many if not most of U.S.papists approach the religion on a pick and choose basis anyway, but the heirarchy still lives in pre-1517. If they want to influence and dictate, let pay taxes.

Also, how can non-Catholics have any confidence that SCOTUS will not cave to Rome; 6 of the 9 justices are Catholic, the remaining 3 Jewish.

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wireman226 1 year, 9 months ago

i guess all you westboro baptist have the right to condem my church and preists... thanks for judgeing all catholics by a few sick men.. out of millions...nice to be pefect like you...

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Mike Ford 1 year, 9 months ago

born again regurgatator.....we don't speak like you with your hillbilly accent....you all do.... growing up in LA and MS I laugh when you people get all patriotic and religious and act just like the fundamentalists in the Middle East using their religion to judge others and cut off access to contraception they don't approve of. You and those fundamentalists in the Middle East have much in common imposing your will upon others. American fundamentalist ideology and Sharia law=no difference. I grew up a preacher's kid and I laugh at people like you and these yokels at the statehouse. Also, thirty years ago I was a cub scout. you know that homophobic organization. I had an assistant scoutmaster attempt to molest me after he'd committed sodomy on one of my classmates in Manhattan, KS. he got 7 years in Lansing. He wasn't gay.....he was a pedophile. One has to love organized religion with all of it's hypocracy and double standards especially in Kansas.

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Kate Rogge 1 year, 9 months ago

When a religious organization owns and operates a secular business - like a hospital or school - it is an employer and not a church. Their secular employees are not agents of their faith; they are of many different religions or of no particular religion, and are employed to perform secular jobs. Why isn't the Catholic Church's refusal to comply with government requirements for employee health care an intrusion of its religion into their employees' benefits? Our government has defined basic health care requirements - as part of its responsibilities to promote the general welfare - and those requirements include contraception and reproductive health care. We advocate for those same health care benefits in third world countries because healthy women are good for their families, communities, and countries. Surely what we're eager to see happen in another country should be at least a basic standard of health care in our own? The Catholic Church may describe the requirement for basic reproductive health care as an attack on its religious freedom, but I don't notice any other religious organization joining them. Their objection is political, not religious, and is deeply hypocritical.

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Enlightenment 1 year, 9 months ago

Interesting that Obama has made several attempts to accommodate the Catholics with their concern that the church would be going against their teachings by "paying for abortions and contraceptives." Despite being narrow minded in regard to contraceptives, the church is unwilling to negotiate with Obama over their difference of required coverage and wants to eliminate the ACA in its entirety. This to me suggests that the Catholic Church is becoming openly political and not acting in the best interest of its parishioners and those employed by faith based employers.

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BornAgainAmerican 1 year, 9 months ago

Still waiting for Scott Rothschild to weigh in on this one. After all, he's the LJW man in Topeka. Oh, I forgot...he only reports on very small, secular progressive events with 50 or less in attendance. My bad.

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James Nelson 1 year, 9 months ago

I'm sure the cry from many would be "If you won't let me have religious freedom then to hell with yours, too." Justice Roberts, please don't sit down yet. We need for these people to go take another look at early American history. There were very good reasons why our religious founding fathers didn't want government showing any kind of support for any religion. Those reasons still exist today. They tried to guarantee it for us but there are always some dumb kooks with convenient forgetfullness who try to force their beliefs on others. So Sam, you and your hypocritical religious friends who either have forgotten their history lessons or never learned them in the first place should go pick up some history books. Pick up a copy of the constitution while you are at it. What it contains might amaze you.

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Jeanne Cunningham 1 year, 9 months ago

Freedom of religion is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance; the concept also includes the freedom to change religion or NOT to follow any religion.

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donttreadonme 1 year, 9 months ago

"Dignitas...If you are a well informed Catholic you would know your religious freedom was being affected..."

I am a well-informed Catholic, have been for over 40 years, and I do not believe my religious freedoms are being affected.

Unfortunately, the Bishops pushback against the alleged "attacks" is just typical bullying from a Church that is trying to maintain it's influence in society by aligning with political elements. I find this to be contrary to the teachings of Jesus, but, sadly, typical of the Church's behavior over the centuries.

Sigh.

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Enlightenment 1 year, 9 months ago

Interesting...........Quote: "Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley (D) accused Republicans of hypocrisy for pairing protests against a health care mandate with demands for increasingly invasive restrictions on women’s health.

“The only health care mandate they can embrace are transvaginal probes for women,” O’Malley said Friday during a press call."

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/gov-omalley-gop-likes-mandates-when-theyre-transvaginal-probes-for-women.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

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Dignitas 1 year, 9 months ago

If you are a well informed Catholic you would know your religious freedom was being affected. But may I just say if you don't support the rights of everyone to have religious freedom it will be the right you hold dear very soon taken from you... Bishop Finn is in my prayers as should be every school business etc that interacts with children. Because children are abused by many many many other people then people in the Catholic church.

p>WWW.EWTN.com .. you'll have to go television then stream it.. there will be access to encores later... its almost over. Also EWTN is on TV probably not on cable here but dish has it.. again at the website you can find it and watch...
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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 9 months ago

Freedom of religion is a bedrock principle outlined in our constitution. people must have the free and open choice to follow whatever religion they desire.

However, religious freedom has come to mean the freedom to impose your religious views on everyone else.

In this scenario, whose religious views prevail? The majority's? These are bully tactics billed as "religious freedom".

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jessie 1 year, 9 months ago

Dignitas: Tried your link and I just saw a commercial. Is there supposed to be live coverage?

I will say that as a lifelong Catholic, I do not feel that the government is threatening my freedom of religion.

I attended Mass at the Cathedral in Kansas City, MO, the Sunday after the story broke re: possible charges against Bishop Finn, for not reporting Father Ratigan's actions against children to the police.

Everyone was waiting to hear what the priest, apparently a beloved Monsignor, would say. I will never forget my feeling of disappointment, when, in his homily, Monsignor said he didn't know what the right thing to do was, but he hoped it wouldn't impact donations.

No doubt there is a large group of the faithful in Topeka today, but the Church is losing touch with many of us.

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Dignitas 1 year, 9 months ago

If you don't know what your talking about maybe you shouldn't make that public.. If you read it in the paper you know as well as I its written to feed the libs of this town.. not telling the truth is the new norm. WWW.EWTN.com you can watch everything that happened ... not the version you'll get from here.

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cowboy 1 year, 9 months ago

Moral compass......From KC Star...the real reason the Bishops don't like gov't

A bishop in the Roman Catholic Church has been indicted for failure to report suspected child abuse, the first time in the 25-year history of the church’s sex abuse scandals that the leader of an American diocese has been held criminally liable for the behavior of a priest he supervised.

The indictment of the bishop, Robert W. Finn, and the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph by a county grand jury was announced on Friday. Each was charged with one misdemeanor count involving a priest accused of taking pornographic photographs of girls as recently as this year. They pleaded not guilty.

The case caused an uproar among Catholics in Kansas City this year when Bishop Finn acknowledged that he knew of the photographs last December but did not turn them over to the police until May. During that time, the priest, the Rev. Shawn Ratigan, is said to have continued to attend church events with children, and took lewd photographs of another young girl.

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John Kyle 1 year, 9 months ago

Sounds political. Time to start paying some taxes.

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somedude20 1 year, 9 months ago

Yes!!! Keep our laws free of religion!! You and your holy ghosts can have a tea party with all of the invisible other gods. Zip up your pants when around little boys and keep your meat paws out of politics because if you want to get into politics (and not little boys), then you will no longer live life tax free.

This is like having a four year old set laws. "I will ban monsters from being under and kid's bed and you can have all the cookies that you want."

I guess I should thank sky god that the book of Twilight or Lord of the Rings did not become your bible because really any book could have and I dislike sparkly vampires and hobbits but I do enjoy zombie stories (yeah jesus)

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donttreadonme 1 year, 9 months ago

I'd like to know when the bishops will reduce our tax burden by paying their share of taxes.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 9 months ago

Crazy------ Your referenced youtube posting is the best thing I've ever seen/heard about the role of "The Church" and control. This short posting should be incorporated into the public schools as part of the Creationism/Evolution debate. How could educated persons not accept and understand what this priest is saying! Great!

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Crazy_Larry 1 year, 9 months ago

How about a counter-protest for freedom from religion? Who's with me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-b_fy...

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Hooligan_016 1 year, 9 months ago

Also, shouldn't all the Protestants be out counter-protesting the Catholics?

:D

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peartree 1 year, 9 months ago

This is about money. Catholic organizations will lose federal funding if they discriminate or deny services to certain groups. That's all this is about. In contrast, the Catholic nuns' group currently staging rallies is out there fighting for aid for impoverished children. They get my support.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 9 months ago

Oh, forget to add, will "converted" Sammy invite them to Cedar Crest, or is he concerned about meetings and the "Sunshine Law"; this apparently was not a concern when he met with GOP delegation. Maybe an Opus Dei convocation!

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blindrabbit 1 year, 9 months ago

How many pedophiles in this group? And what the heck, the Catholic Church wants it's religious freedoms, but does not care about trying to limit the freedoms of others!

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plainspeaking 1 year, 9 months ago

It's interesting how the Catholic Church learned the concept of "messaging" from conservative republicans. Too bad they can't re-brand pedophilia.

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Hooligan_016 1 year, 9 months ago

Ah yes ... religious freedom ... so as long as you follow mine.

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