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Kobach says Kansas has green light on illegal immigration crackdown

June 25, 2012, 3:40 p.m. Updated June 25, 2012, 11:49 p.m.

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— Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach said a U.S. Supreme Court ruling Monday on illegal immigration gives legislators in his home state a “green light” for a crackdown, but his fellow Republicans still aren’t all behind him.

Kobach, a former law professor who’s advised officials across the nation on get-tough policies on immigration, said he’s pleased with the high court’s ruling on an Arizona law he helped draft two years ago, even though the justices struck down three of the four provisions under attack. The justices kept in place a provision requiring police to check the immigration status of people stopped for other reasons if officers have a reasonable suspicion they’re in the U.S. illegally.

Kobach called the “show me your papers” provision the “core” of the Arizona law and said Kansas legislators can pursue a similar measure. He also noted that the Supreme Court ruling didn’t touch on issues that the state’s lawmakers have discussed, such as requiring government contractors or other businesses to use the federal E-Verify database to check the status of new employees.

“If Kansas wanted to take the two strongest steps, which would be an E-Verify requirement for the whole state and an arrest requirement like Arizona’s that we saw reviewed today, they have a green light to do so,” Kobach told The Associated Press in an interview.

But Kobach’s opponents in Kansas scoffed at his description of the high court ruling as a victory and said it’s likely to hinder any effort to enact proposals favored by Kobach. They noted that while the court spared the provision directing police to check people’s immigration status, the justices didn’t preclude legal challenges later when the law is more fully interpreted by Arizona’s courts.

“I don’t see how under any interpretation you can say this is a green light,” said Gary Brunk, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Kansas and Western Missouri, adding that states should move with “great caution” in considering “copycat laws.”

Kobach was a University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who advocated laws such as Arizona’s for years before his successful run for secretary of state as a Republican in 2010. But his allies in the Kansas Legislature have been bedeviled by a split among GOP lawmakers and resistance from the business community.

This year, the powerful Kansas Chamber of Commerce, a key constituency for conservative Republicans, joined an unsuccessful push for a state program to place some illegal immigrants in jobs if the state declares that an industry has a labor shortage. It has the backing of agriculture groups, but Kobach described it as an amnesty proposal.

Allie Devine, a Topeka attorney and former state agriculture secretary who lobbies for business owners on immigration policy, noted that the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling recognized that the federal government has broad discretion in deciding which illegal immigrants to deport — suggesting to her the law would allow such a jobs program in Kansas.

Also, the Legislature is likely to have plenty of new members next year. All 40 state Senate and 125 state House seats are on the ballot in November, and new political boundaries set earlier this month by three federal judges are likely to result in significant turnover.

“The biggest change that we’ll have is dependent upon the outcome of the elections and the direction the new Legislature wants to send Kansas,” Devine said.

But House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lance Kinzer, a conservative Olathe Republican and a Kobach ally, said he expects to continue the push next year for initiatives like a “show me your papers” law and an E-Verify requirement for businesses, though he hasn’t settled on the details of a package.

He noted that provisions of the Arizona law struck down by the high court, such as one making it a crime for an illegal immigrant to seek work, haven’t been considered seriously in Kansas.

“The last couple of rounds of court opinions haven’t really changed the debate,” Kinzer said.

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Flap Doodle 1 year, 9 months ago

Many illegal aliens work in the lawn care industry. More government regulation and monitoring is needed there. (from a source)

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beatrice 1 year, 9 months ago

I guess Kobach must be claiming victory on the healthcare ruling as well.

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ShePrecedes 1 year, 9 months ago

Kobach is a liar. He stood there, in front of our city commission and said that the Patriot Act is NOT being abused. Meanwhile, Judges throughout the country, prior to the KOBACH LIE (!!) were striking down the use of the Patriot act for many non-terrorist activities, including the finding that meth labs cannot be considered WMDs.

Here you go, you massive deceptive liar, Kobach: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24467.htm FBI Broke Law for Years in Phone Record Searches

And you Richard-head, Kobach, you slime not worthy to be between my toes or cheeks...:

Deception is a sign of weakness. Heinlein

And you sought to deceive us here in Lawrence. You are the lowest of low, the scummiest of scum.

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acg 1 year, 9 months ago

God this guy is like a pecker gnat, buzzing around annoying everyone. Go away, dude, and take your bigotry and hatred of all things brown with you. It's tired and played!!

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Flap Doodle 1 year, 9 months ago

Be legal or be gone. Doesn't matter if you are from Peru or Iceland.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

Oh, she's also steamed that, after the SCOTUS decision went live, "the Department of Justice set up a telephone hotline and intake e-mail for the public to report potential civil rights concerns related to the implementation of Arizona SB-1070 provision" and invited people to report potential violations.
I have to tell ya, this just gets funnier and funnier. I wonder if she has a future in stand up when she leaves office?

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

I found it funny as all get out that Jan Brewer went off on Obama on Fox "News" because SCOTUS gutted the AZ anti-immigration law. (Obama? What in God's green earth does Obama have to do with a SCOTUS decision?)
It seems what REALLY ticked off Ms. Brewer, though, was that the DOJ notified AZ that they would not be allowed to use the Feds computer systems and networks to verify immigration status in any of their "papers please" stops.
"Well, I was shocked. I was outraged. I thought, you know, this is politics at its best. Here we had just received a unanimous vote from the highest court in the land upholding the heart of Senate bill 1070, and then three hours later, we got notification that they had rescinded our 287G privileges, so that law enforcement could not use the data system to verify illegal immigration..."
So, because the Federal government told Ms. Brewer that if her state wants to willy nilly stop people and ask them for their "papers", AZ would have to cover the cost themselves, Ms. Brewer got her knickers in a twist.
Maybe she regrets, now, vetoing that bill that would have seceded AZ from the union.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 9 months ago

Immigrants are coming to the USA for employment. So why make more laws? Why not bust the employers for harboring immigrants that have not the proper documents.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 9 months ago

The only part of the immigration bill left dangling was left so because that part had yet to be tested. When someone like Kobach pushes the "unconstitutional" button the Supreme court will be called upon to rule. Likely the last hanging chad will be canned by the supreme court.

RINO ego's are difficult to flush down the toilet.

RINO maniacs like to create more local government thinking they can supercede the federal government. RINO's expand government and tax bills wherever they are.

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Patricia Davis 1 year, 9 months ago

On Time's Swampland, Kobach is interviewed about his "great victory". Here's Kobach explaining the problems of Kansas not yet being Arizona.

What about Kansas?

I think you’ll see efforts in Kansas to move both of those pieces of legislation. But it will all be dependent on what happens in the August 7 primary. Each state has its own little game: In Kansas we had a very conservative house and we had a very moderate/liberal senate and there was this coalition of Republican moderates who would align themselves with Democrats and had a governing majority and would defeat conservative legislation. In the August 7 primary it will be determined whether it will be a conservative Republican majority or a moderate/liberal Republican majority. If the conservatives take control of the Kansas senate, then I think you will see legislation like Arizona’s have a good chance of succeeding.

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/06/26/qa-kris-kobach-the-legal-mind-behind-arizonas-immigration-law/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+timeblogs%2Fswampland+%28TIME%3A+Swampland%29#ixzz1z00oXmzW

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Christine Anderson 1 year, 9 months ago

There is something glaringly missing from the "debate" on illegal immigration. Hispanics are singled out as the sole perpetrators of immigration fraud. They are not. Do any of these lawmakers give a rat's ass about those who marry American citizens and "fake" marriage in order to stay in the U.S.? Well? These persons need to be prosecuted. Oh, Mr. Kobach, I've got some really juicy first-hand info for you, if you are interested....

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dabbindan 1 year, 9 months ago

if the supreme court's decision is a victory and a green light,

kobach's ego must be as big as a house. and he must be a lousy lawyer. or both.

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weiser 1 year, 9 months ago

Give them in-state tution and free health care. That way they will have something to do before they get drunk and kill a family driving on a vacation somewhere.

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jesse499 1 year, 9 months ago

I think most of you should cross into Mexico illegally and see where that gets you and you wouldn't bitch so much about our laws if you come back alive that is.

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HowardStern 1 year, 9 months ago

If you fit the "profile," then you're gonna have to give me another donut... or I'm-a-gonna-have-to gaffle ya.

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observant 1 year, 9 months ago

How does 3/4 of law getting thrown out and a warning that the remainder is at high risk of being overturned translate into a win? Guess it is considered a win by Kobach because he will now get paid a lot more to defend the stupid laws he wrote.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 9 months ago

Who gives a fig about what the rest of the States do individually, SCOTUS will straighten that out, but if the Kansas Republican Party continues to march to this pied piper (Kobach), it will confirm how repressive the politics in Kansas has become. At the same time The State is trying to attract business and good growth we have Kobach and his repressive, bigoted concepts to rely on; this coupled with the continuing, inane discussion about the BOE and evolution, and the anti-science/creationist dogma of Sam and his C-Street wanderings. What progressive business person would want to move his company and family to this kind of backwardness. Oh, throw in Phelps, Klein, O'Neal, Roberts and the Koch-a-Kolas and you get quite a team!

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Gotland 1 year, 9 months ago

If we are going to be lawless nation, the laws no longer apply to me.

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jonas_opines 1 year, 9 months ago

Alternatively, we could just end the entitlement mentality behind restricted immigration, and make is easier for people of any skill-set and skill level to come here and compete for jobs.

You know, free market and all of that.

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Flap Doodle 1 year, 9 months ago

We need to start seeing jail time for all the people who hire illegal aliens and major jail time for the human smugglers.

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Jayhawk1958 1 year, 9 months ago

Green light? You still lost by losing 3 out of 4 proposals and the one they approved may still be overturned due to racial profiling.

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tomatogrower 1 year, 9 months ago

"Romney on the Arizona case: 'I wish the Court would let states have more latitude on immigration'"

Maybe Mr. Romney needs a civics course. Congress needs to do something about immigration, it's not the state's job. We have a do nothing Congress. They are too worried about getting reelected to do anything. That's why the Senate started this filibuster 60% vote. So they wouldn't actually have to filibuster, and they could attend more fund raisers. I say make them do filibuster.

The Tea Party radicals need to get off their rears and quit trying to just get rid of Obama. There is a country to run, and that should be their main focus, but they have said over and over their main focus is to get rid of Obama. Why not start working with Obama to solve problems? If Obama suddenly became anti-choice and wanted to end all corporate taxes, the Tea Party would all of the sudden be against these things. Wake up people. Start reminding this lawmakers that they work for us.

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somedude20 1 year, 9 months ago

Kobach You don't have to put on the green light Those days are over You don't have to sell your body to the Right Kobach You don't have to hate people of color tonight Walk the streets for non-white poor people You don't care if it's wrong if it's for the Right

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 9 months ago

LOL!! Only a rabid right winger like Kobach would step in his own BS and hold up his shoe and say, "Look! We have fertilizer!" Oh and by the way, the one remaining provision that was upheld is being re-challenged under different provisions and is likely to go back to SCOTUS.

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trymeone35 1 year, 9 months ago

why can't we all just get along? why should there be a boarded any ways. i thought we were all equal in this world........no matter sex,race. ect....

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Steven Gaudreau 1 year, 9 months ago

Kris, thank you for saving us from the illegals who are stealing all the wonderful jobs white men want like roofing, landscaping and house painting. You have made a giant contribution with your bizarre tunnel vision focus on Mexicans. Please focus next on illegal Chinese who are taking all the jobs at the Chinese restaurants. USA, USA, USA

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Michael LoBurgio 1 year, 9 months ago

Ruling repudiates Kobach's fairy tales on immigration

For the better part of seven years now, Kansas attorney Kris Kobach has been urging municipalities and states to pass the draconian laws he writes that are aimed at so badly punishing undocumented immigrants that they will “self-deport.” Even as governments went into debt to pay his fees and the cost of defending his dubious statutes, Kobach insisted that if they hung tough, they would win in the end.

As was made clear by this morning’s Supreme Court decision, which invalidated three of the four contested provisions of Arizona’s harsh S.B.1070, he was wrong. The high court essentially upheld decades of settled law, saying the federal government, not states or cities, has the right to regulate most immigration law.

Woe to those who believed Kobach’s fairy tales. If they quit now, they are out millions of dollars. If they don’t, it will probably get even worse for them.

It’s not like these places — Hazleton, Pa., Valley Park, Mo., Farmers Branch, Tex., Fremont, Neb., and states including Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, South Carolina and Utah — weren’t warned. As Kobach and others bamboozled these places into trying to solve the immigration problem with unconstitutional laws, it was being widely pointed out what effect the laws were actually having.

http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/ruling-repudiates-kobachs-fairy-tal...

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 9 months ago

And in Justice Kennedy's written opinion, he specifically stated that being an undocumented immigrant is NOT illegal. Therefore, the term "illegal immigrant" is officially invalid.

Sorry, xenophobes, you'll need to find a different term.

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avarom 1 year, 9 months ago

I can invision it now....the undocumented go back where they came from...the Kansas neighborhood grass is all weeds and overgrown, all the cars are dirty and not running, the meat packing plants are empty, car washes are closed, everyone who had a maid.... house is dirty and unkept, the children are running wild and unattended, paint falling off homes and businesses...all the Restaurants/Hotels are closed, No one to cut your lawn..........Because You..... Don't......Get......Paid......Enough! Hysterical!!

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blindrabbit 1 year, 9 months ago

What does this say about the quality of education and common sense of University of Kansas graduates! With Jayhawk1958 and JayhawkFan1958 it appears that common sense still prevailed, but by the time Rockchalk1977 graduated all vestiges had disappeared. Glad I got out of there in 1969 and 1971 while there was still some smarts available. RC1977 continues his demented fixation on POTUS while endorsing the likes of Herr Kobach! Go figure!

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riverdrifter 1 year, 9 months ago

Kobach got largely trashed by a conservative supreme court. Declare victory and trudge on to the next windmill that merits a tilting.

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woodscolt 1 year, 9 months ago

"Secretary of State Kris Kobach says a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on Arizona's immigration law gives Kansas legislators a green light to pursue their own crackdown on illegal immigration."

Yep, Kobach just can't get "green" out of his mind. Dollars that is.

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rgh 1 year, 9 months ago

Wow, Kobash says this gives Kansas a green light when 3 of the 4 Arizona provisions got tossed? What a stupid statement from a lawyer.

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beatrice 1 year, 9 months ago

The court also says individuals can sue if law enforcement oversteps the law. That is where states, from Arizona to Kansas, will get in trouble and it will cost the citizens, not the politicians.

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woodscolt 1 year, 9 months ago

Kobach says great, I get to start all over again writing these unconstitutional laws. He can see the dollar signs and they are his.

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Patricia Davis 1 year, 9 months ago

Could someone please explain how Kobach became Kobach. I'm serious. How did this child of privilege become so vile and vituperative? How how did a lawyer become so blind to the law? How could an intelligent person need a gun to be the secretary of state?

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deec 1 year, 9 months ago

‎"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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pace 1 year, 9 months ago

Didn't Kobach's Arizona law just get a NO, NO, NO, and a weak maybe from the supreme court. That is a blinking red light in Kansas.

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JayhawkFan1985 1 year, 9 months ago

Only a royals fan or a mizzou fan would believe this was a win.

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 9 months ago

The heart of the law, that people are required to carry proof of citizenship, was struck down.

SCOTUS rendered that states could not enact their own immigration laws.

They upheld the ability of law enforcement to check immigration status as part of enforcement of the federal laws.

However, this will soon be challenged again as soon as a racial profiling case comes up.

Those who want states to have the ability to draft immigration laws lost today.

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observant 1 year, 9 months ago

Seems one of the LJW's latest ideas to allow pictures has turned forum to an even more worthless forum. Nutcases just randomly post pictures that have nothing to do with thread.

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Carol Bowen 1 year, 9 months ago

Where's the data? I'm not convinced we have a problem.

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woodscolt 1 year, 9 months ago

Another Kobach lie, but hey, why not. His fall in line and obey Herr Kobach minions will believe him.

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Jean Robart 1 year, 9 months ago

Hey Kris---what if the people of Kansas don't want a "law" equivalent to the Arizona law???

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Grump 1 year, 9 months ago

"Green light?" That's not what the opinion said at all, and to claim so is an outright lie. The opinion struck down the three provisions that had actual teeth, and indicated that the remaining fourth, be interpreted very narrowly. As hyperinflate correctly states above about the fourth--"The police can recommend that something is done to a person they suspect of being an illegal, but they cannot actually do anything."

Kobach, you are just like Phill Kline. Courts rule overwhelmingly against you, so you claim victory.

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Jayhawk1958 1 year, 9 months ago

Someone needs to crackdown on Kobach for moonlighting his tax supported job.

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Steve Jacob 1 year, 9 months ago

"Kobach says Kansas lawmakers can still pursue that policy and others"....means as Sec. of State, there is little he can do. Good thing he did not run for Attorney General.

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cowboy 1 year, 9 months ago

ok Kris , start deporting the western kansas ag industry workers , see how your constituency likes that one.

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Gotland 1 year, 9 months ago

Start throwing the invaders out.

Seize their ill gotten property too if they haven’t been paying taxes.

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tange 1 year, 9 months ago

"Got a green light, gotta green light, yeah, but I'm going nowhere...."

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 1 year, 9 months ago

WOOT! Now some of you on unemployment or welfare can go get a job when the illegals are gone!

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rockchalk1977 1 year, 9 months ago

Keep up the good fight Kris. Don't let the lawbreakers get you down.

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BornAgainAmerican 1 year, 9 months ago

Hey Scot! Will you be covering the Catholics when they protest Obamacare in Topeka this Saturday?

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hyperinflate 1 year, 9 months ago

"But Kobach says the high court upheld the heart of the Arizona statute"

If he really believes this is the heart of the legislation then he is a very weak and ill-informed lawyer. The truth is that this provision essentially has no enforcement "teeth". The police can recommend that something is done to a person they suspect of being an illegal, but they cannot actually do anything. How exactly is that the heart of the legislation?

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Hooligan_016 1 year, 9 months ago

I'm going to start hanging a flag of Mexico on my back windshield while blaring mariachi music so I can have my papers checked and verified.

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introversion 1 year, 9 months ago

Dang... I finally just got my first good tan of the season... looks like I'll have to throw all my personal documents in the glovebox.

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