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Kobach says Kansas has green light on illegal immigration crackdown

June 25, 2012, 3:40 p.m. Updated June 25, 2012, 11:49 p.m.

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— Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach said a U.S. Supreme Court ruling Monday on illegal immigration gives legislators in his home state a “green light” for a crackdown, but his fellow Republicans still aren’t all behind him.

Kobach, a former law professor who’s advised officials across the nation on get-tough policies on immigration, said he’s pleased with the high court’s ruling on an Arizona law he helped draft two years ago, even though the justices struck down three of the four provisions under attack. The justices kept in place a provision requiring police to check the immigration status of people stopped for other reasons if officers have a reasonable suspicion they’re in the U.S. illegally.

Kobach called the “show me your papers” provision the “core” of the Arizona law and said Kansas legislators can pursue a similar measure. He also noted that the Supreme Court ruling didn’t touch on issues that the state’s lawmakers have discussed, such as requiring government contractors or other businesses to use the federal E-Verify database to check the status of new employees.

“If Kansas wanted to take the two strongest steps, which would be an E-Verify requirement for the whole state and an arrest requirement like Arizona’s that we saw reviewed today, they have a green light to do so,” Kobach told The Associated Press in an interview.

But Kobach’s opponents in Kansas scoffed at his description of the high court ruling as a victory and said it’s likely to hinder any effort to enact proposals favored by Kobach. They noted that while the court spared the provision directing police to check people’s immigration status, the justices didn’t preclude legal challenges later when the law is more fully interpreted by Arizona’s courts.

“I don’t see how under any interpretation you can say this is a green light,” said Gary Brunk, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Kansas and Western Missouri, adding that states should move with “great caution” in considering “copycat laws.”

Kobach was a University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who advocated laws such as Arizona’s for years before his successful run for secretary of state as a Republican in 2010. But his allies in the Kansas Legislature have been bedeviled by a split among GOP lawmakers and resistance from the business community.

This year, the powerful Kansas Chamber of Commerce, a key constituency for conservative Republicans, joined an unsuccessful push for a state program to place some illegal immigrants in jobs if the state declares that an industry has a labor shortage. It has the backing of agriculture groups, but Kobach described it as an amnesty proposal.

Allie Devine, a Topeka attorney and former state agriculture secretary who lobbies for business owners on immigration policy, noted that the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling recognized that the federal government has broad discretion in deciding which illegal immigrants to deport — suggesting to her the law would allow such a jobs program in Kansas.

Also, the Legislature is likely to have plenty of new members next year. All 40 state Senate and 125 state House seats are on the ballot in November, and new political boundaries set earlier this month by three federal judges are likely to result in significant turnover.

“The biggest change that we’ll have is dependent upon the outcome of the elections and the direction the new Legislature wants to send Kansas,” Devine said.

But House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lance Kinzer, a conservative Olathe Republican and a Kobach ally, said he expects to continue the push next year for initiatives like a “show me your papers” law and an E-Verify requirement for businesses, though he hasn’t settled on the details of a package.

He noted that provisions of the Arizona law struck down by the high court, such as one making it a crime for an illegal immigrant to seek work, haven’t been considered seriously in Kansas.

“The last couple of rounds of court opinions haven’t really changed the debate,” Kinzer said.

Comments

introversion 2 years, 5 months ago

Dang... I finally just got my first good tan of the season... looks like I'll have to throw all my personal documents in the glovebox.

chootspa 2 years, 5 months ago

I don't know where you travel, but as long as it's in the US, I've never once needed to prove citizenship to get on a flight.

ivalueamerica 2 years, 5 months ago

Those are not rights and none of those documents are citizenship papers, so you are discussing something else entirely, but just do not realize it.

Bless your heart.

TongiJayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Although I agree with E-Verify, that was funny!!

Hooligan_016 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm going to start hanging a flag of Mexico on my back windshield while blaring mariachi music so I can have my papers checked and verified.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 5 months ago

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, You ain't gonna make it with anyone, anyhow.

hyperinflate 2 years, 5 months ago

"But Kobach says the high court upheld the heart of the Arizona statute"

If he really believes this is the heart of the legislation then he is a very weak and ill-informed lawyer. The truth is that this provision essentially has no enforcement "teeth". The police can recommend that something is done to a person they suspect of being an illegal, but they cannot actually do anything. How exactly is that the heart of the legislation?

dizzy_from_your_spin 2 years, 5 months ago

Nice retort, observant. Any other talking points from Nancy Pelosi?

Carol Bowen 2 years, 5 months ago

I was not aware that Catholics opposed Obamacare. Do all the Catholics you know oppose Obamacare?

Carol Bowen 2 years, 5 months ago

P.S. What does this have to do with immigration?

Orwell 2 years, 5 months ago

It takes a certain kind of delusional mindset to be pleased when the Supreme Court finds that three-fourths of your work product violates the Constitution. It takes the same kind of mindset to praise state officials like Kobach who oppose the Constitution and democracy.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 5 months ago

WOOT! Now some of you on unemployment or welfare can go get a job when the illegals are gone!

Jayhawk1958 2 years, 5 months ago

Pay decent wages and people won't go on welfare of UI.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 5 months ago

Wages tend to track with skill level. If all you know how to do is smoke pot, drink beer and where the tatoo parlor is, then you are generally overpaid.

Jayhawk1958 2 years, 5 months ago

Can't have skills without education and a job. Not everyone can afford a paid education and Kansas ranks near the bottom overall. Where exactly those jobs you speak of?

JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 5 months ago

We aren't talking about your social circle. Most people are hard working, law abiding people. If you think otherwise, you don't know people and you watch fox news entertainment way too much.

Bradley Kemp 2 years, 5 months ago

I know how to construct a series with grammatically parallel elements. That's why I'm so well paid.

squawkhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

No necessarily true, to many lazy gringos who don't want to work.

beatrice 2 years, 5 months ago

Gotland, that is no way to talk about the wealthy!

chootspa 2 years, 5 months ago

The next plane to Europe leaves in an hour. I hope you'll be on it, invader.

squawkhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

And I'm guessing your the descendent of European immigrants...aka invaders.

chootspa 2 years, 5 months ago

I'll take that to mean you've never been to Europe and never crossed a border once there. You can't expect citizenship for just showing up, no, but until the recent economic nosedive, it was relatively easy to get a visa for many countries and you could expect benefits like health care once you got there.

cowboy 2 years, 5 months ago

ok Kris , start deporting the western kansas ag industry workers , see how your constituency likes that one.

coloradoan 2 years, 5 months ago

OK, so let's start by deporting Mitt Romney; his dad was from Mexico and Mitt is apparently sheltering his profits off-shore to avoid taxes. Works for me.

woodscolt 2 years, 5 months ago

I demand to see his long form birth certificate now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

somedude20 2 years, 5 months ago

and while we are at it, lets see his marriage certificates

Steve Jacob 2 years, 5 months ago

"Kobach says Kansas lawmakers can still pursue that policy and others"....means as Sec. of State, there is little he can do. Good thing he did not run for Attorney General.

oldexbeat 2 years, 5 months ago

I thought the next governor will be Dr. tim Huelskamp since Senator Pat Roberts will run again.

Jayhawk1958 2 years, 5 months ago

Someone needs to crackdown on Kobach for moonlighting his tax supported job.

Grump 2 years, 5 months ago

"Green light?" That's not what the opinion said at all, and to claim so is an outright lie. The opinion struck down the three provisions that had actual teeth, and indicated that the remaining fourth, be interpreted very narrowly. As hyperinflate correctly states above about the fourth--"The police can recommend that something is done to a person they suspect of being an illegal, but they cannot actually do anything."

Kobach, you are just like Phill Kline. Courts rule overwhelmingly against you, so you claim victory.

overthemoon 2 years, 5 months ago

Can't wait til poor Kobach wakes up in the morning and figures out what the Supremes really said. Which will essentially kill his sweet little business on the side. States can't mess with immigration. Sorry little fella.

Orwell 2 years, 5 months ago

There have been far more deportations annually since 1/20/08 than before. When do you parrots plan to start researching the right wing lies you insist on repeating?

Jean Robart 2 years, 5 months ago

Hey Kris---what if the people of Kansas don't want a "law" equivalent to the Arizona law???

woodscolt 2 years, 5 months ago

Another Kobach lie, but hey, why not. His fall in line and obey Herr Kobach minions will believe him.

Carol Bowen 2 years, 5 months ago

Where's the data? I'm not convinced we have a problem.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 5 months ago

The heart of the law, that people are required to carry proof of citizenship, was struck down.

SCOTUS rendered that states could not enact their own immigration laws.

They upheld the ability of law enforcement to check immigration status as part of enforcement of the federal laws.

However, this will soon be challenged again as soon as a racial profiling case comes up.

Those who want states to have the ability to draft immigration laws lost today.

JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 5 months ago

Only a royals fan or a mizzou fan would believe this was a win.

pace 2 years, 5 months ago

Didn't Kobach's Arizona law just get a NO, NO, NO, and a weak maybe from the supreme court. That is a blinking red light in Kansas.

overthemoon 2 years, 5 months ago

It wasn't a maybe...it was a 'wait til you try and you get sued every which direction' and then we'll point out that you can't treat people that way in this country.

deec 2 years, 5 months ago

‎"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Patricia Davis 2 years, 5 months ago

Could someone please explain how Kobach became Kobach. I'm serious. How did this child of privilege become so vile and vituperative? How how did a lawyer become so blind to the law? How could an intelligent person need a gun to be the secretary of state?

overthemoon 2 years, 5 months ago

Money and an Atta Boy from the Koch Machine. hmmmm....Ko-BABABA-ch. He's a sheep in their organization!!!!

latina1 2 years, 5 months ago

Exactly! I haven't heard of Kobach doing anything else the last few years but mess with illegal immigrants. He'll soon be out of a job!

woodscolt 2 years, 5 months ago

Kobach says great, I get to start all over again writing these unconstitutional laws. He can see the dollar signs and they are his.

beatrice 2 years, 5 months ago

The court also says individuals can sue if law enforcement oversteps the law. That is where states, from Arizona to Kansas, will get in trouble and it will cost the citizens, not the politicians.

rgh 2 years, 5 months ago

Wow, Kobash says this gives Kansas a green light when 3 of the 4 Arizona provisions got tossed? What a stupid statement from a lawyer.

woodscolt 2 years, 5 months ago

"Secretary of State Kris Kobach says a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on Arizona's immigration law gives Kansas legislators a green light to pursue their own crackdown on illegal immigration."

Yep, Kobach just can't get "green" out of his mind. Dollars that is.

riverdrifter 2 years, 5 months ago

Kobach got largely trashed by a conservative supreme court. Declare victory and trudge on to the next windmill that merits a tilting.

blindrabbit 2 years, 5 months ago

What does this say about the quality of education and common sense of University of Kansas graduates! With Jayhawk1958 and JayhawkFan1958 it appears that common sense still prevailed, but by the time Rockchalk1977 graduated all vestiges had disappeared. Glad I got out of there in 1969 and 1971 while there was still some smarts available. RC1977 continues his demented fixation on POTUS while endorsing the likes of Herr Kobach! Go figure!

avarom 2 years, 5 months ago

I can invision it now....the undocumented go back where they came from...the Kansas neighborhood grass is all weeds and overgrown, all the cars are dirty and not running, the meat packing plants are empty, car washes are closed, everyone who had a maid.... house is dirty and unkept, the children are running wild and unattended, paint falling off homes and businesses...all the Restaurants/Hotels are closed, No one to cut your lawn..........Because You..... Don't......Get......Paid......Enough! Hysterical!!

avarom 2 years, 5 months ago

Now Kansas Citizens have to start buying their groceries at the .99 cent stores, where everything is from CHINA, for WalMart is closed too!! lol

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 5 months ago

And in Justice Kennedy's written opinion, he specifically stated that being an undocumented immigrant is NOT illegal. Therefore, the term "illegal immigrant" is officially invalid.

Sorry, xenophobes, you'll need to find a different term.

jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

That's odd.

I suppose they're trying to make some sort of distinction between "undocumented" and "illegal", but if you're here without the requisite approval from the government, you are in fact breaking the law, aren't you?

progressive_thinker 2 years, 5 months ago

Yes, there is a difference between "illegal" and "undocumented". It is indeed "illegal" to enter the US without proper authorization. Continued presence in the US is not a crime in many cases. If a person was previously deported and then reentered the US, then their continued presence is a crime.

While the former of these two situations might seem to be a distinction without a difference, the way that it plays out in the "real world" has big implications. If everyone who is "undocumented" were guilty of a crime, then we would be tying up the court system and prison system with them. As it stands, we only tie up the court system and prison system with those who have been deported and then reentered. Most of the undocumented aliens are subject to deportation, after appropriate due process hearings. However, as a practical matter, the system for conducting the hearings and deportations is vastly overburdened. Focusing our law enforcement efforts on deporting the more undesirable of the scores of undocumented aliens is a good thing for public safety.

jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

That's the strangest thing I've ever heard, if it's true.

If it's illegal to enter without authorization, then being here after that seems illegal as well. The logic escapes me if that's not the case - it's like saying that buying stolen goods is illegal, but once you have them, it's ok.

progressive_thinker 2 years, 5 months ago

It is quite true, and actually fits in the real world better than one might think. There are a large number of people who are in the US who are not authorized to be here, but yet who did not enter "illegally" and thus who have committed no crime. That's really what the crux of the current debate is over undocumented workers. The conservatives depend on the fact that people do not generally understand the law or the practical aspect of immigrant labor to whip up fear.

Examples of people here without authorization who have not entered illegally are:

  1. People brought here by their parents at an age where they had no say-so in the matter, and who had no capacity to commit a crime due to their age;
  2. People who have overstayed an otherwise legal visa; and
  3. People who entered the US prior to June 1, 2009, when documentation for entry was less stringent than it is now. [Yes, a good deal of the current hysteria over undocumented workers is a recent phenomena.]

It is for this reason that the DREAM act is good legislation, which was supported by the republicans until Obama became president.

jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

Group 2 is breaking the law if they've overstayed their visa - visas are for specific periods of time.

People brought by their parents haven't committed a crime, but their parents have, if they came without authorization. Rewarding that act by allowing the children to stay is a bad idea. I suppose we could deport the parents, and let the children stay, but proponents of amnesties generally oppose "breaking up families".

If people entered legally, then they're here legally. If they didn't, then they're not. And, if they've overstayed their visa, they're also illegal.

The arguments in favor of amnesties, etc. aren't convincing to me - they reward illegal behavior rather than punishing it, which will just serve to increase it.

If one is here without authorization, then that ought to be a crime, even if it's currently not considered one (with an allowance for underage children brought by their parents).

I don't think we should incarcerate these folks, but I do think we should deport them, and reserve the space for immigrants for those who choose to go through the correct procedures to come here.

progressive_thinker 2 years, 5 months ago

People here without authorization who have not committed a crime can be deported. As a practical matter, it is often difficult to identify the vast majority of them.

There is lots of misinformation out there about the DREAM act.

First, the DREAM act applies only to children brought here under 16 years of age, and who have been here for five years prior to the implementation of the DREAM act, if it ever becomes law. It does not apply to the parents. Most often, the situation involves a young person who has now been emancipated from their parents, Many have no ties to the country where they were born, and may not even speak the language.

Allowing the persons covered by the DREAM act to have a path to legal status will not "serve to increase" illegal entry to the US. The requirements for participation are narrowly drawn to prevent this.

Finally, the DREAM act is not an amnesty. The term "amnesty" applies to situations where forgiveness for a crime or other offense is given. The DREAM act forgives nothing. It applies to only to a narrow group of persons who have committed no crime under US law, and who had no say so about their entry into the US.

jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for the clarification.

It still is a reward for the parents' illegal activity - if they know their kids will be able to stay.

And, according to what I've read, the federal government isn't particularly interested in deporting folks if they've been here for a while, so even if/when states like AZ report illegal residents, the feds may just ignore them.

Seems odd to me.

progressive_thinker 2 years, 5 months ago

"it still is a reward for the parents illegal activity"

Not really. The parent still gets deported And again, it only applies to a narrow group of individuals who have been in the US for at least five years prior to the DREAM act becoming law. The child, in this circumstance, had no choice in the matter. If we adopt the thinking of the conservative wing of the US, we fail to recognize that the child had no opportunity to wait until they could legally enter the US. The DREAM act recognizes that individuals in this status had no opportunity to begin the process legally, and have no place to go to begin the process.

" according to what I've read, the federal government isn't particularly interested in deporting folks if they've been here for a while"

Not really accurate. If the ICE could have the required due process hearing, and afford each person detained the opportunity to present evidence of whether they are here legally or not, I am sure that they would. What happens in the real world is that someone gets picked up under suspicion that they are in the US illegally. A decision is then made whether or not to detain them pending the hearing. If they have been previously deported, or if they have felony convictions or charges, they often are detained and deported. Otherwise they are not, primarily because of a lack of resources. Again, this is one of the reasons that the DREAM act is a pretty good deal for all concerned. It gets a number of cases off the records so that law enforcement can focus on the truly undesirable illegal immigrant.

This brings to mind one of the primary flaws with the notion of self-deportation that is championed by some in the republican party. If an individual self-deports before they are removed by the ICE, then the penalties for reentry that apply to someone who has been removed do not apply. The person that plays this one is forever able to keep one step ahead of an overburdened system.

jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

Sure it is.

If you're a parent who wants a better life for their children, and you know that if you come here illegally, and hide successfully for 5 years, that your children will be able to stay legally, that's a benefit for you as a parent.

I read on another story about this, that the federal government, when notified by AZ of illegals, will only take action on those who have recently come or are repeat offenders.

That means that folks who are here illegally who have been here for a while will be ignored by the federal government, even if notified.

The attempt to make a distinction between "truly undesirable" and nice illegal immigrants is understandable, but flawed, in my view - we don't want anybody coming here or staying here illegally, I'd say.

We want people to follow the procedures to immigrate legally, so that we can craft and administer some sort of reasonable immigration policy, one that doesn't reward illegal behavior, but rather brings in the amount and kind of people that we want as a nation.

Your last paragraph points out the absurdity of making a distinction between those who are here for the first time illegally vs. those who re-enter numerous times, and/or after having been deported. If we treated them all equally, nobody could scam the system in that way.

progressive_thinker 2 years, 5 months ago

It is exactly this mentality that keeps the US from being able to enact a rational policy toward persons who are undocumented. Despite all of the political positioning and rhetoric, there simply are not the resources, nor the political will to apply a one size fits all deportation policy to all 11 million undocumented persons that are in the US. The 2010 estimate by the ICE for deportation costs is 12,500 per undocumented/illegal person. The most recent cost estimate for a mass deportation program is 285 billion, roughly $922 per year in new taxes for every man, woman, and child in the US and for perspective, more than the annual cost of the Bush tax cuts. In other words, it is not going to happen. We best get used to the idea of managing limited resources to promote public safety, to the extent that is possible.

jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

A rational policy would be to deport people who are here illegally, in my view.

You seem to suggest that, practically speaking, we have lost the ability to do that, and should settle for less.

Also, when factoring in costs, one should factor in the savings from eliminating illegal residents as well, and the stimulating factor of more jobs for American citizens.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we wound up ahead in the medium term.

And, of course, there's the less tangible benefit of being able to decide how many people come here, and what sort of skills they bring, etc. so as to be more in charge of our immigration.

You know, it costs money to prosecute all crimes, should we stop because of that?

progressive_thinker 2 years, 5 months ago

Practically speaking, we have neither the political will nor the resources. It's that simple.

And actually, there would be more ancillary costs than savings. Note the experience in Alabama.

And yes, prosecutors have to decide which offenses/offenders to pursue, which to not pursue,which to negotiate pleas with, and which to not negotiate with. Prosecutors do not have unlimited resources .

Agreed that we should be managing who we let in. The larger problem is the large number of undocumented that are currently in our country.

jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

We have the resources, if we want to do it. I agree that the political will is lacking, because politicians are afraid of losing votes.

Not all of the jobs would be ones that people would flock to, for any number of reasons, but certainly some of them would be. I know somebody that hires an illegal resident to clean their house for about $30/hr - you really think that we couldn't find a number of legal residents who'd love that job, especially right now?

Prosecutors certainly use their discretion, but I would hope that it's not based on a fiscal calculation and limited resources.

The problem is that these sorts of policies affect how many people will continue to come here illegally - if people know that they're allowed to stay if they successfully escape detection for a few years, that will increase those numbers.

So any policies that reward that behavior will increase it. If we want to manage the new folks, we have to create and implement policies that will decrease those numbers instead.

Michael LoBurgio 2 years, 5 months ago

Ruling repudiates Kobach's fairy tales on immigration

For the better part of seven years now, Kansas attorney Kris Kobach has been urging municipalities and states to pass the draconian laws he writes that are aimed at so badly punishing undocumented immigrants that they will “self-deport.” Even as governments went into debt to pay his fees and the cost of defending his dubious statutes, Kobach insisted that if they hung tough, they would win in the end.

As was made clear by this morning’s Supreme Court decision, which invalidated three of the four contested provisions of Arizona’s harsh S.B.1070, he was wrong. The high court essentially upheld decades of settled law, saying the federal government, not states or cities, has the right to regulate most immigration law.

Woe to those who believed Kobach’s fairy tales. If they quit now, they are out millions of dollars. If they don’t, it will probably get even worse for them.

It’s not like these places — Hazleton, Pa., Valley Park, Mo., Farmers Branch, Tex., Fremont, Neb., and states including Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, South Carolina and Utah — weren’t warned. As Kobach and others bamboozled these places into trying to solve the immigration problem with unconstitutional laws, it was being widely pointed out what effect the laws were actually having.

http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/ruling-repudiates-kobachs-fairy-tal...

latina1 2 years, 5 months ago

Make you wonder who has taken care of his property over the years?

trymeone35 2 years, 5 months ago

why can't we all just get along? why should there be a boarded any ways. i thought we were all equal in this world........no matter sex,race. ect....

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 5 months ago

LOL!! Only a rabid right winger like Kobach would step in his own BS and hold up his shoe and say, "Look! We have fertilizer!" Oh and by the way, the one remaining provision that was upheld is being re-challenged under different provisions and is likely to go back to SCOTUS.

somedude20 2 years, 5 months ago

Kobach You don't have to put on the green light Those days are over You don't have to sell your body to the Right Kobach You don't have to hate people of color tonight Walk the streets for non-white poor people You don't care if it's wrong if it's for the Right

tomatogrower 2 years, 5 months ago

"Romney on the Arizona case: 'I wish the Court would let states have more latitude on immigration'"

Maybe Mr. Romney needs a civics course. Congress needs to do something about immigration, it's not the state's job. We have a do nothing Congress. They are too worried about getting reelected to do anything. That's why the Senate started this filibuster 60% vote. So they wouldn't actually have to filibuster, and they could attend more fund raisers. I say make them do filibuster.

The Tea Party radicals need to get off their rears and quit trying to just get rid of Obama. There is a country to run, and that should be their main focus, but they have said over and over their main focus is to get rid of Obama. Why not start working with Obama to solve problems? If Obama suddenly became anti-choice and wanted to end all corporate taxes, the Tea Party would all of the sudden be against these things. Wake up people. Start reminding this lawmakers that they work for us.

Jayhawk1958 2 years, 5 months ago

Green light? You still lost by losing 3 out of 4 proposals and the one they approved may still be overturned due to racial profiling.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 5 months ago

We need to start seeing jail time for all the people who hire illegal aliens and major jail time for the human smugglers.

jonas_opines 2 years, 5 months ago

Alternatively, we could just end the entitlement mentality behind restricted immigration, and make is easier for people of any skill-set and skill level to come here and compete for jobs.

You know, free market and all of that.

TongiJayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Bingo! You can keep more stringent requirements on citizenship. Just start making it much easier for folks to work in the US.

justoneperson 2 years, 5 months ago

Free markets would end subsidies for corporate farms and those producing commodity crops instead of healthy vegetables.

Orwell 2 years, 5 months ago

Damn right! Let the disabled and the elderly starve in the gutter!

Amercia 2012!!!

beatrice 2 years, 5 months ago

I think you should shout this from the highest rooftop ... and then jump. After all, the law of gravity does not apply to you.

blindrabbit 2 years, 5 months ago

Who gives a fig about what the rest of the States do individually, SCOTUS will straighten that out, but if the Kansas Republican Party continues to march to this pied piper (Kobach), it will confirm how repressive the politics in Kansas has become. At the same time The State is trying to attract business and good growth we have Kobach and his repressive, bigoted concepts to rely on; this coupled with the continuing, inane discussion about the BOE and evolution, and the anti-science/creationist dogma of Sam and his C-Street wanderings. What progressive business person would want to move his company and family to this kind of backwardness. Oh, throw in Phelps, Klein, O'Neal, Roberts and the Koch-a-Kolas and you get quite a team!

HowardStern 2 years, 5 months ago

If you fit the "profile," then you're gonna have to give me another donut... or I'm-a-gonna-have-to gaffle ya.

Christine Anderson 2 years, 5 months ago

" I'll show you mine if you show me yours."

jesse499 2 years, 5 months ago

I think most of you should cross into Mexico illegally and see where that gets you and you wouldn't bitch so much about our laws if you come back alive that is.

jesse499 2 years, 5 months ago

Lets set the standard and just give this dam country to mexico like you people want to do were already giving them 4 billion a year in tax refunds for children they say they have that don't even live here! When it gets to the point where illegals have more rights then we do there will be a war and it will be here not some place else that you read about.

dabbindan 2 years, 5 months ago

if the supreme court's decision is a victory and a green light,

kobach's ego must be as big as a house. and he must be a lousy lawyer. or both.

Christine Anderson 2 years, 5 months ago

There is something glaringly missing from the "debate" on illegal immigration. Hispanics are singled out as the sole perpetrators of immigration fraud. They are not. Do any of these lawmakers give a rat's ass about those who marry American citizens and "fake" marriage in order to stay in the U.S.? Well? These persons need to be prosecuted. Oh, Mr. Kobach, I've got some really juicy first-hand info for you, if you are interested....

Patricia Davis 2 years, 5 months ago

On Time's Swampland, Kobach is interviewed about his "great victory". Here's Kobach explaining the problems of Kansas not yet being Arizona.

What about Kansas?

I think you’ll see efforts in Kansas to move both of those pieces of legislation. But it will all be dependent on what happens in the August 7 primary. Each state has its own little game: In Kansas we had a very conservative house and we had a very moderate/liberal senate and there was this coalition of Republican moderates who would align themselves with Democrats and had a governing majority and would defeat conservative legislation. In the August 7 primary it will be determined whether it will be a conservative Republican majority or a moderate/liberal Republican majority. If the conservatives take control of the Kansas senate, then I think you will see legislation like Arizona’s have a good chance of succeeding.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

The only part of the immigration bill left dangling was left so because that part had yet to be tested. When someone like Kobach pushes the "unconstitutional" button the Supreme court will be called upon to rule. Likely the last hanging chad will be canned by the supreme court.

RINO ego's are difficult to flush down the toilet.

RINO maniacs like to create more local government thinking they can supercede the federal government. RINO's expand government and tax bills wherever they are.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

Immigrants are coming to the USA for employment. So why make more laws? Why not bust the employers for harboring immigrants that have not the proper documents.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 5 months ago

I found it funny as all get out that Jan Brewer went off on Obama on Fox "News" because SCOTUS gutted the AZ anti-immigration law. (Obama? What in God's green earth does Obama have to do with a SCOTUS decision?)
It seems what REALLY ticked off Ms. Brewer, though, was that the DOJ notified AZ that they would not be allowed to use the Feds computer systems and networks to verify immigration status in any of their "papers please" stops.
"Well, I was shocked. I was outraged. I thought, you know, this is politics at its best. Here we had just received a unanimous vote from the highest court in the land upholding the heart of Senate bill 1070, and then three hours later, we got notification that they had rescinded our 287G privileges, so that law enforcement could not use the data system to verify illegal immigration..."
So, because the Federal government told Ms. Brewer that if her state wants to willy nilly stop people and ask them for their "papers", AZ would have to cover the cost themselves, Ms. Brewer got her knickers in a twist.
Maybe she regrets, now, vetoing that bill that would have seceded AZ from the union.

jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

Well, it does seem like a little slap in the face, don't you think?

They've been letting them use the system for a while now - why do you think they suddenly changed their mind?

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 5 months ago

Oh, she's also steamed that, after the SCOTUS decision went live, "the Department of Justice set up a telephone hotline and intake e-mail for the public to report potential civil rights concerns related to the implementation of Arizona SB-1070 provision" and invited people to report potential violations.
I have to tell ya, this just gets funnier and funnier. I wonder if she has a future in stand up when she leaves office?

Flap Doodle 2 years, 5 months ago

Be legal or be gone. Doesn't matter if you are from Peru or Iceland.

acg 2 years, 5 months ago

God this guy is like a pecker gnat, buzzing around annoying everyone. Go away, dude, and take your bigotry and hatred of all things brown with you. It's tired and played!!

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 5 months ago

What's a pecker gnat? Is that like a piss ant?

beatrice 2 years, 5 months ago

I guess Kobach must be claiming victory on the healthcare ruling as well.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 5 months ago

Many illegal aliens work in the lawn care industry. More government regulation and monitoring is needed there. (from a source)

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