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Wisconsin recall serves little purpose

June 4, 2012

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— I’ll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up.

No sir,

Not I,

Not me,

So there!

— “Peter Pan” the musical, 1954

Wauwatosa, Wis. — This state, the first to let government employees unionize, was an incubator of progressivism and gave birth (in 1932 in Madison, the precursor of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees) to its emblematic institution, the government employees union — government organized as a special interest to lobby itself to expand itself. But Wisconsin progressivism is in a dark Peter Pan phase; it is childish without being winsome.

Wisconsin has produced populists of the left (Robert La Follette) and right (Joe McCarthy). On Tuesday, in this year’s second-most important election, voters will judge the attempt by a populism of the privileged — white-collar labor unions whose members live comfortably above the American median — to recall Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

In this Milwaukee suburb, a pro-Walker phone bank is conducting mobilization, not persuasion. Is any voter undecided? For 16 months, Wisconsin, normally a paragon of Midwestern neighborliness, has been riven by furious attempts to punish Walker for keeping his campaign promise to change the state’s unsustainable fiscal trajectory driven by the perquisites of government employees. His progressive adversaries have, however, retreated from their original pretext for attempting to overturn the election Walker won handily just 19 months ago.

He defeated Mayor Tom Barrett of Milwaukee. A recall is a gubernatorial election, and the Democrats’ May primary was won by ... Barrett.

In 2010, government employees unions campaigned against Walker’s “5 and 12” plan. It requires government employees to contribute 5.8 percent of their pay to their pension plans. (Most were paying less than 1 percent. Most private-sector workers have no pensions; those who do pay, on average, much more than 5.8 percent.) Walker’s reform requires government employees to pay 12.6 percent of their health care premiums (up from 6 percent but still less than the 21 percent private-sector average). Defeated in 2010, the unions now are demanding, as frustrated children do after losing a game, “Let’s start over!”

Like children throwing a tantrum against the rules of a game going badly, in 2011 petulant Wisconsin Democratic legislators fled to Illinois to disrupt the Legislature. Walker’s reforms included restricting the issues subject to collective bargaining. This emancipated school districts from buying teachers’ health insurance from a provider entity associated with the teachers union. Barrett used Walker’s reform to save Milwaukee $19 million.

In justifying a raucous resistance to, and then this recall of, Walker, the government employees unions stressed his restriction of collective bargaining rights. But in the May primary, these unions backed the candidate trounced by Barrett, who is largely ignoring the collective bargaining issue, perhaps partly because most worker protections are embedded in Wisconsin’s uniquely strong civil service law. Besides, what really motivates the unions and elected Democrats is that Walker ended the automatic deduction of union dues from government employees’ pay. The experience in Colorado, Indiana, Utah and Washington state is that when dues become voluntary, they become elusive.  

So, Barrett is essentially running another general election campaign, not unlike that of 2010 — except that the $3.6 billion deficit Walker inherited has disappeared and property taxes have declined. By re-posing the 2010 choice, Wisconsin progressives’ one-word platform becomes: “Mulligan!”

The emblem displayed at some anti-Walker centers is an outline of Wisconsin rendered as a clenched fist, with a red star on the heel of the hand. Walker’s disproportionately middle-aged adversaries know the red star symbolized murderous totalitarianism, yet they flaunt it as a progressive ornament. Why?

Because it satisfies the sandbox socialists’ childish pleasure in naughtiness, as does their playground name-calling (Walker is a “Midwest Mussolini”) and infantile point-scoring: When the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel endorsed Walker, Wisconsin’s Democratic Party chair fulminated that six decades ago the Sentinel (which merged with the Journal in 1995) supported McCarthy.

Also, many backward-looking baby boomers want to recapture their youthful fun of waving clenched fists in the face of privilege. Now, embarrassingly, they are privileged.

A January poll found that even 17 percent of Democrats think recalls are justified only by criminal behavior, not policy differences. If, however, Walker loses, regular Wisconsin elections will henceforth confer only evanescent legitimacy. If he wins, progressives will have inadvertently demonstrated that entrenched privilege can be challenged, and they will have squandered huge sums that cannot finance progressive causes elsewhere. So, for a change, progressives will have served progress.  

— George Will is a columnist for Washington Post Writers Group.

Comments

chootspa 2 years, 3 months ago

A socialist? Particularly liberal? Yeah, we've known that's what he isn't for quite some time.

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 3 months ago

Which appears to be what Maureen Dowd has come to realize, albeit far too late.

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 3 months ago

The article you cite does not support the statement you made. It's pure speculation.

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 3 months ago

Which is purely speculative. Thanks for proving my point.

The goons opposing Walker have been trotting out this story for a long time, and it has no legs.

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

Are you kidding? They just let edwards off scott free after paying his baby's mother to keep quiet with campaign funds.

I expect Romney, should he win, will go after Edwards with a vengeance to soil Al Gore and the global warming. For instance, if gore was wrong about Edwards, he could be wrong about hockey stick graphs. Proves nothing, but plants another seed of doubt.

The dog barks both ways. obama was partially bought by labor unions, so I'm sure he will go after walker, to the extent he doesn't risk votes.

Romney has it easy. He just needs to go after a lying nobody that cheated on his wife while she suffered cancer. Obama will have to go after a somewhat popular governor that seems to have turned Wisconsin's economy around for the better. That's a good way to lose independent votes.

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chootspa 2 years, 3 months ago

They overcharged Edwards. Don't get me wrong. He's a jerk that deserved to go down, but the charges were overly aggressive and would never stick. I expect the same outcome with Walker, but that's because I'm cynical and have little faith in the politically well-connected ever facing justice.

Going after Edwards to go after Gore for something that scientists have confirmed for years? That's just nutty conspiracy stuff right there.

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 3 months ago

Going after Edwards to go after Gore for something that phony, politically-motivated, self-proclaimed "scientists" have confirmed for years? That's just nutty conspiracy stuff right there.

There. Fixed it for you. No charge.

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chootspa 2 years, 3 months ago

The scientific consensus has been pretty clear on the issue. I'm sorry that reality doesn't bend to your preconceived notions.

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 3 months ago

Not as far as real scientists are concerned.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

I love the smell of fear. (That makes me sound like Snap, BAA and other members of the "boys club" but I don't care.) There may have been others but this is the first time I ever recall seeing a gubernatorial candidate whose war chest includes a legal defense fund.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

"Given the gender based abortion practices of Planned Parenthood...." Drinking the Kool-Aid. BAA? If you're talking about the "shocking undercover video" recently released, you should do a little research. These people have been trying to do a hatchet job on PP for years and learned their video making skills from the "Andrew Breitbart School of Video Journalism". Nice try, though.

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

Walker is up by 6.7 at RCP. Intrade has Walker at 95% probable to win. Do you still like the smell of fear?

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camper 2 years, 3 months ago

I knew it was a Will column. Guessed it by the title.

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ssteve1 2 years, 3 months ago

And there are so many objective reporters on the Post's staff!!!

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Greg Cooper 2 years, 3 months ago

Let me see: facts = anti-brownback venom. Got it.

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cowboy 2 years, 3 months ago

Pretty disgusting article George. Name calling voters who are exercising their constitution right to a voter recall as "petulant' , "childish", sandbox socialists’.

Surprised he didn't pull out the "uppity" word.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

This is a bit like the spokesperson for SRS who called the furor over the Lawrence office closing a "partisan snit fit".

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 3 months ago

"Sandbox socialists" well describes a number of posters on this forum.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

You know what Cato? People are actually catching on to the fact that throwing around the word "socialist" with no real regard for it's meaning is a tea party scare tactic. Maybe you need to look for a new trigger word?

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 3 months ago

Perhaps you might want to investigate Obama's recent award of the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Dolores Huerta, Honorary Chair of the Democratic Socialists of America.

Obama's not a socialist? Yeah, right.

Given Obama's track record, if you support him, you're a socialist. Period.

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

The democrat platform may not be socialist, and none but maybe one or two regular posters here are socialist, but that doesn't mean they don't hold socialist views. I think the root of liberalism is socialism, but it is mitigated here because we are all (presumably) Americans and have been taught respect (if not brainwashed into) respecting the capitalist origins of our country.

I don't need a tea party to figure that out. They wouldn't like me anyway.

"new trigger word?"

Any word that starts "commu". "Commu" is a very telling part of words the left should learn to avoid.

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

On second thought, leave off the "U". "Comm" is better but we will have to exempt some words.

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bad_dog 2 years, 3 months ago

Yes. Words such as "commerce", "commiserate", "communicate" and "commitment" are certainly words the "Left" should avoid. "Comma" and "comment" are also particularly scary.

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

I said we'd have to exempt some words, those being a few. A few I would exempt from the list even come from the root I'm thinking of. Three of your first four are examples.

Probably the most telling words is "common". That word has really been abused by the left making anything labeled with it easily ignored.

Anyway, it's just a way to figure out a new triggerword. If you have a better place to start, spill it.

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bad_dog 2 years, 3 months ago

I guess I just don't feel as compelled as some to create labels via "trigger words". My point was I believe your entire hypothesis is faulty, no matter how you attempt to limit it.

Personally, I like the word "common". It implies a shared trait and is not the slightest bit pejorative in my estimation. Common cause, common sense, common defense, common interests, common man, etc. are inspirational usages that imply unity and sharing from my perspective.

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

Bigger? Isn't that a stereotype?

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jafs 2 years, 3 months ago

Name calling is a poor substitute for substantive discussion and debate.

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 3 months ago

Telling it like it is isn't name-calling, Jafs.

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jafs 2 years, 3 months ago

What does that have to do with cato's post, in which he calls a bunch of people on here "sandbox socialists"?

I don't believe you can "prove" that Obama is a socialist, by any means.

Certainly his actions as President have not supported that accusation.

But, regardless, I say again that name calling is a poor substitute for substantive discussion and debate, and that it's a real shame that our political dialogue has become dominated by it.

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jafs 2 years, 3 months ago

I'm not looking for "help" from you.

I'm having a discussion, in which we exchange ideas and arguments.

The health care plan to which you refer has very little in common with socialism - in fact, it's a big giveaway to private insurance companies, who are quite capitalist in nature, and make large profits.

I happen to agree that the individual mandate is unconstitutional, and expect that the SC will rule against that part of the bill.

But, the rest falls pretty well into the category of regulating business, which the federal government appears to have wide latitude to do.

Taxes and government programs are by nature "redistributive" in many cases - that's the way the system works. When you and I pay taxes, and they go into a pool which is spent on numerous items, including military contracts, the money has been redistributed.

The question is what sort of programs the government should be involved in, and how - unless you want to simply eliminate taxation completely, which is a pretty extreme argument.

And, again, for the third time, name calling is worse than useless - it creates a hostile atmosphere and creates enemies unnecessarily.

I urge you, and everybody else, to refrain from it - it can be done.

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

Get this, from some law professor:

"They are wrong. By solving interstate economic problems, the minimum coverage provision respects crucial limits on Congress. And the provision violates no constitutional rights, as would forcing people to eat broccoli."

http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-03/news/32007321_1_people-with-preexisting-conditions-health-insurance-minimum-coverage-provision

Since when does the federal government have the power to tell me I must eat some type of food? Broccoli came back as an allergen on my ALCAT. Does the federal government have the power to force me to eat food that may make me ill?

Can the government make a Muslim eat yummy bacon?

"Neil S. Siegel is professor of law and political science and codirector of the Progra"... whatever.

Mostly he's a nitwit with false analogies shilling for for garbage legislation.

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jafs 2 years, 3 months ago

Yes - I don't find those arguments convincing at all.

The government may have the right to regulate interstate commerce, but that doesn't translate into mandating individual purchases, even if they might affect interstate commerce.

It's bad enough that the use of the ICC has been greatly broadened over the years, from regulating commerce to regulating activities that have a substantial effect on it, to regulating activities for which there's a rational basis to believe it will affect it.

This is too far, and I'm pretty sure the SC will say that.

Otherwise, the federal government would, in fact, have the power to mandate all sorts of individual purchases.

I think the issue isn't whether or not we have a constitutional right to not eat broccoli - it's where the limits on federal government power lie.

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Corey Williams 2 years, 3 months ago

How is the Health Care Plan "...intended to re-distribute the wealth..."? Wouldn't people be forced to buy health insurance from private companies? How is that going to "...redistribute the wealth..."?

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Steve Jacob 2 years, 3 months ago

Recall elections are a joke. It's like saying we voters messed up the first time, but we might get it right the next time. Same thing in Egypt. They overthrew the government to maybe elect the Prime Minister of the guy they just convicted to life in prison. And they will riot if he wins in an fair and square (according to Jimmy Carter) election.

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rtwngr 2 years, 3 months ago

I am pulling for Walker. It's high time the "Sandbox Socialists" shut the heck up.

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tomatogrower 2 years, 3 months ago

Yet in another comment on a letter to the editor, you defended the right to free speech. What a joke.

Voters realized their mistake and were able to do something about it. Unfortunately, Kansas realized their mistake, and have 2 more years to suffer. I think it's time to change our recall policies in Kansas.

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Alyosha 2 years, 3 months ago

And if they don't stop exercising their First Amendment rights, what are you going to do?

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

The problem doesn't seem to be so much Budde's political leanings and affiliations but his wife's. This is a bit like the people calling for Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from the AHCA decision because of his wife's professional lobbying work. But then I guess that's "different", huh?

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grammaddy 2 years, 3 months ago

No. People are calling for Thomas' head because he conveniently forgot his wife's income on their income taxes, because he's aformer attorney for Monsanto who is now deciding in favor for them,and because he is a "do nothing, say nothing" judge.

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bad_dog 2 years, 3 months ago

"...he is a "do nothing, say nothing" judge." Yet, per Bush the First, he was the most qualified jurist available to be nominated to the Supreme Court.

What was it that feller from Linwood used to say? Oh yeah, "Joke".

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

First of all, Walker did not give any indication in his campaign for governor that he would take the most divisive measures that have led to this recall campaign. Politicians often lie during campaigns, and Walker is proving to be a pathological liar.

But it's not surprising that Will would take the side of Walker and his millionaire and billionaire backers in this frontline in what can only be describe as an all-out class war. The Citizen's United ruling has allowed these millionaires and billionaires to flood Wisconsin with unprecedented amounts of money, funding a hysterical propaganda campaign (parroted by Will here.) Even if that wins a very close election for Walker, the destruction of the fabric of society in Wisconsin that Walker and the Republicans have set in motion will leave a large percentage of those who vote for Walker regretting that action, and voting accordingly in coming years.

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nativeson 2 years, 3 months ago

Let's face it, money is coming into the state supporting both sides in unprecedented amounts. This recall election has become an important milestone for both presidential campaigns to measure the mood of the country.

Ironically, Mr. Barrett is running against the reforms that he himself effectively put into place in Milwaukee as Mayor. Milwaukee faced the same deficit issues that the state faced prior to the current administration, and Mr. Barrett put forth the same requirement for municipal employees to contribute to their health care and pension costs.

I think this recall election illustrates why most elected officials focus on tax policy versus spending policy. It is too hard to unwind decades of entitlements in public sector jobs. It is easier to put through tax cuts and try to force the issue which is the wrong way to go about it.

The fact is that Wisconsin is now fiscally sound, and it was not before his election. If Democrats in the state have an alternative that can continue to fund health care and pensions at 100% for employees and balance the budget, let's see the plan.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

"Let's face it, money is coming into the state supporting both sides in unprecedented amounts."

That's very misleading-- Walker and his billionaire allies are poised to outspend Barrett and the Democrats very substantially, and most of that money is from out of state.

Yes, there are budget problems in every state in the country. But solving those budget problems on that backs of working people, and the most vulnerable people in society (the sick, the elderly, the disabled, kids, etc.) which is really what you're advocating, is not going to cut it.

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DeckDoctors 2 years, 3 months ago

It's great to see socialists losing it all over this country in elections. The real American people do not want socialism, nor communism nor liberalism for that matter. All of you Libs should pack up and head to Venezuela so you and your pal can eat the dust of real American production. The Socialist in Chief will soon taste defeat...if he doesn't fake an emergency to halt elections.

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Alyosha 2 years, 3 months ago

You apparently have no idea what the word "Socialism" might mean.

Here's a basic primer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

And, we capitalists in the US disagree that Obama is a socialist: look at the Dow between 2008 and now, and you see that the stock market — which indicates continued strong private ownership of the means of production, capital and profit, all of which are impossible under economic socialism — is doing far better under Obama than Bush: http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1338840000000&chddm=495397&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=INDEXDJX:.DJI&ntsp=0

If Obama were actually a socialist of any stripe, and actually implementing any kind of socialist policies, one would expect the stock market to reflect that. In reality, we capitalists know that nothing has changed in the economic make up of the country. We're still a capitalist and that won't change. Hence, the market under Obama is more valuable to stock holders than under Bush.

Saying Obama is a socialist is no more enlightened or correct than saying "there are monsters under my bed."

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DeckDoctors 2 years, 3 months ago

Wow! Clueless as to what Obamacare states at all?? A pure take over of 1/7 of the entire US economy with bureaucratic layers to control every area of Americans lives. You are watching the wrong hand if you think that 'free money' pumped into the stock market is the indicator of capitalist policy. The socialist in charge has done nothing but de-value the dollar, wreck the capitalist system with the EPA and other socialist agenda agencies dictating what business can or can not do. Why do you think all the money is fleeing the US? American businesses are not hiring due to the socialist hooks in place with regulations and taxation. You madame need a lesson in economics. Consider this your first and at NO charge. You socialists like that don't you?

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tomatogrower 2 years, 3 months ago

The government's job is to protect against domestic and foreign enemies. Those who would make health care so unaffordable that only some people can get it, and the rest can just go away and die, are enemies.

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jafs 2 years, 3 months ago

According to our financial adviser, summer generally coincides with a dip in the market.

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DeckDoctors 2 years, 3 months ago

Okay, now I see what we're working with here. This has nothing to do with a summer lull as in recent history. Be forewarned your stocks will become worthless. Maobama has hamstrung the U.S. economy and in light of socialist heavy Greece failing, it is the first domino to have fallen. Now prepare for a tsunami effect worldwide. Stock, dollar or gold won't be able to feed you in the next 18mos.

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jafs 2 years, 3 months ago

So, if Greece falls, and ripples are felt around the world, that's somehow Obama's fault.

Mind boggling, how people are able to blame just about anything on him.

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jafs 2 years, 3 months ago

I do.

I find this tendency to tell those who disagree with you to leave the country rather disturbing.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

Walker's tenure as Milwaukee County Executive can be summed up in one word-- corrupt.

Will Scott Walker Be Given a Pink Slip, an Orange Jump Suit or a Second Chance?

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/06/11566/will-scott-walker-be-given-pink-slip-orange-jump-suit-or-second-chance

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

Yes, Obama should be there campaigning on behalf of Barrett. But he's more concerned with his own re-election, and the need to keep big money at least partially on his side. I guess that makes him a "socialist," right?

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

If Walker were to win tomorrow by 300 votes you would call it a "landslide". Guess we'll see, huh?

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grammaddy 2 years, 3 months ago

Why not? When Bush was President 51% was a "mandate".I hope Walker gets his hat handed to him.Maybe it would give the rest of the nation the courage to start doing the same

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

Even if he wins, the corruption that has been rampant in his political career is about to bite him big time in the backside.

And the austerity craze is going to do the same thing to all the teapartiers daft enough to support it, and a large percentage of them will defect as it sinks into them that they've been had.

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Steve Jacob 2 years, 3 months ago

I am glad Obama is staying out of this mess, it's not right. It was not right recalling Gray Davis either.

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

Obama is running as fast as he can from the recall. He doesn't want any part of it. I'm surprised he has the backbone to turn his back on unions like this.

I'd rather see either Clinton than Obama any day. Has President Clinton ever spoken here?

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beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

Yes. I saw Clinton speak at the Fieldhouse in 2004. He gave the Bob Dole Lecture that year. http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/clinton/

Maybe the next President Clinton will speak there after 2016, too.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

"Join me in donating to the Scott Walker fund:"

What's the minimum contribution? $100,000?

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beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

Lazy unions? Wow. You must hate working people, since that is who are in unions.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

For many of the wackospheric posters on this forum, socialist = not a cheerleader for the plutocracy (who occasionally parrot theocratic talking points to keep the sheep in tow.)

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camper 2 years, 3 months ago

A recall serves a democratic purpose if the elected official breaks campaign promises. I think it should be a last resort used only for extreme cases. I am not sure Walker's case qualifies because I have not followed the situation closely.

However, he did break a promise to pay for his own pension as he asked of other public employees. And voters were surprised at the his attack on unions. I think they elected him on his budgetary promises....not his desire to break unions.

I don't know.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

"without .... cutting essential services."

"Essential" as defined by billionaires.

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pace 2 years, 3 months ago

I wish we had the same rights, I would sign a recall petition for Brownback in a second, and spend my free time taking it to my neighbors. Brownback is destroying infrastructure. He and his cronies are making a wasteland of our state. Brownback should resign. I would be thrilled to sign a recall petition for Sam.

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 3 months ago

I am generally not in favor of recall elections.

Remember that Arnold Schwarzenegger beat Gray Davis in a recall election in California. This was not motivated by criminal conduct, wrong-doing, or even broken campaign promises. The GOP (mostly Darryl Issa) simply disagreed with Davis and used public disgruntlement and Schwarzenegger's star power as an opportunity to replace Davis with a GOPer.

However, recall elections are the law of the land in CA and WI. I disagree with almost all of Walker's actions (mistakes) as governor, and I will be happy to see him recalled.

I guess the lesson is that hatefully eye-poking your opposition can lead to this sort of thing. Walker's problem was that when he won, he gleefully and vocally tried to embarrass and destroy his opposition. My guess is that if he quietly went about these same measures without antagonizing his opposition, he would not be in this situation.

A note: Brownback has done the same thing in Kansas. Defunding the arts commission was a poke in the eye, as was saying that he doesn't want democratic support on any of his efforts.

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Beth Ennis 2 years, 3 months ago

Being from Wisconsin, I've heard a lot about this on both sides. The real issue was not even discussed in this article. Walker did not even mention breaking unions when he ran for governor. Not once, in fact, he was backed by the police and fire unions, whose unions he left untouched. Those unions supported all the others in the protests and the recalls. The state employee union agreed to every concession he proposed. Every single one. that wasn't good enough for him. He then preceeded to break the unions by not allowing the collection of union dues. What isn't being mentioned here is that unions tend to suport democrats. What he did was take away funding for democrats, while Republicans are still allowed to get their support from very wealthy donors like the Koch brothers. What he did was wrong. Had he stopped when he got the agreement from the union to pay more for insurance and pension this recall would not be happening. I believe he over stepped his bounds and it is the voters right and responsibility to let elected officials know they can not go off half cocked and do whatever they feel like doing. I hope he is recalled. He cost the city/county of Milwaukee millions when he fired state security guards at the courthouse and replaced them with contractors. The fired employees won and he left Milwaukee with a debt of something like 2-3 million dollars when he went off to be the governor. It sounds like Wisconsin is now doing well, but he didn't need to break the unions to try to preserve republican dominance in the state. We will see what happens.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

Since when did this article become about Obama and not Walker? Stay on point, Cato.

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pace 2 years, 3 months ago

i don't think he can. Cato seems to have no sense of conversation, just babble .

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 3 months ago

You don't like the bad news either, I see.

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jfs1047 2 years, 3 months ago

I guess I would have two questions for Mr. Will. If government jobs are so good why doesn't everyone want one. If the private sector employee wants a good pension and benefits, why don't they unionize. It seemed to work in the 30s', 40s', 50s', etc; in fact up until the 1980s'. Finally, I would ask that he not be so pompous.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

Finding out some rather lovely things about Mr. Walker. Not only did he not finish college (and may very well have been thrown out of Marquette for cheating. Can't tell because he refuses to release his college records, which I don't have a problem with, believe it or not. It is his right just as much as it's the FLOTUS' right not to release hers.) but it also appears that when he was in college, he got his girlfriend preggo and then dumped her when she refused to have an abortion. Mr. Pro-Life himself had to pay child support when she took it to court and he failed (or passed, depending on your viewpoint) a paternity test.

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 3 months ago

Liberty275, are you claiming these are falsehoods? I have never heard of them before so, any information you have would be useful. As it is, you posted a useless ad hominem attack.

Are they false?

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

I have no clue if he graduated college, got kicked out for cheating, got a girl pregnant or dumped her. They are irrelevant to the recall and frankly none of my business. True or false, the entire tirade by the person that loves the smell of fear was nothing but a series of petty little personal attacks. That is an act of desperation on her part because Walker is soundly ahead in the polls. She loves the smell of fear, so she says, which is good because her entire post reeks of it.

I see it as "rubbing her nose in her own words" and therefore vindictiveness rather than than ad hom, but you can call it whatever you want.

Are you loving the smell of fear too, Mr Nightmare?

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 3 months ago

Well, good to see you are not concerned with facts or the truth, just "smelling fear", whatever that is.

It would be nice, however, if you could mount a cogent argument based on facts and reality instead of your vapid semiotics. There are a glut of right wing semioticians on this site, and you fail to distinguish yourself.

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jafs 2 years, 3 months ago

If the information is true, then he has a serious credibility/integrity issue.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

Interesting to note that in tomorrow's WI recall election IDs will not be required. In fact, poll workers have been expressly told they CANNOT ask for IDs because to do so would be voter suppression according to the state constitution. One little right wing Koch Brothers/ALEC law Walker didn't get passed in time.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

The US Justice Department is mionitoring the elections tomorrow in Milwaukee. The Wisconsin DOJ will be doing the same in 12 cities. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/June/12-crt-709.html http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20120603/APC010405/306030086/

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

They're expecting record turnout, saying that it will be at presidential election levels.

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

That's good. Elections should be kept honest.

You forgot to mention the justice department will not only be in Milwaukee.

"WASHINGTON – The Justice Department announced today that it will monitor elections on June 5, 2012, in the following jurisdictions to ensure compliance with the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and other federal voting rights statutes: Alameda, Fresno and Riverside Counties, Calif.; Cibola and Sandoval Counties, N.M.; Shannon County, S.D.; and the city of Milwaukee."

Google it.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 3 months ago

What happens when the government stops being the enforcer for collecting union dues? About what you'd expect to happen. "... A Walker victory will expose for all to see the dirty little secret of the power of public-sector unions in America: It depends on having the government collect union dues from every employee’s paycheck, and turning the dues over to the unions without the employee’s consent. No other private entity in America — no charity, no association, no company — can do that.

Walker’s reforms ended that practice. Workers can now decide if they want to pay union dues. Clearly, the answer is no in many cases.

The American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees was founded in Madison in 1936, making the state the launching pad for all public-sector-union organizing in the country. But now AFSCME’s Local 24 in Madison, which represented 22,300 Wisconsin state workers last year, has seen its membership shrink by two-thirds, to 7,100. Statewide, AFSCME’s membership has dropped by more than half. Similarly, the American Federation of Teachers has lost 6,000 of its 17,000 members. Small wonder. Teachers’-union dues in Wisconsin range from a hefty $700 a year up to more than $1,000.

Labor historian Fred Siegel says Walker’s changes could provide a model for reshaping American politics. “Ending dues deductions breaks the political cycle in which government collects dues and gives them to the unions, who then use the dues to back their favorite candidates and also lobby for bigger government and more pay and benefits,” he told me.

With regard to rights and worker protections, the reduction of union power won’t affect most state workers. Governor Walker points out that the employee rights that people care about most fall under civil-service rules that his reforms don’t touch. “We have the strongest protections in the country on grievance procedures, merit hiring, and just cause for disciplining and terminating employees,” he told me. “All that stays.”..."

http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/301674

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Liberty275 2 years, 3 months ago

Tomorrow sets the stage for the national election. It's going to be exciting to watch, however it plays out.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

Keep drinking the KoolAid, BAA. Polls are actually saying it's too close to tell and that outcome is most likely going to depend on voter turnout. This is where grassroots organizing is going to shine, not million dollar ads by the Kochs. They got two and a half times the petition signatures they needed to force the recall in the first place. I think this is going to be a hair pulling, teeth gnashing, edge of your seat election. I'd say great fun but there are too many people whose very way of life hangs in the balance. People are going to be voting like their life depends on it. Sadly, it does.

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 3 months ago

Walker would not be in this predicament is he had been less obnoxious toward his political rivals.

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