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Stipends for student-athletes? KU has mixed feelings

January 31, 2012

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Former Kansas University football player Gary Green said an extra $2,000 could have gone a long way when it came time to pay the bills.

“Playing football is pretty much a full-time job,” with practices, games and the like, said Green, a running back who played at KU from 2004 to 2008.

The NCAA Division I Board of Directors shelved a proposal this month to pay athletes a stipend of up to $2,000 after several of its member institutions protested the measure. The board will take another look at the policy in April.

At KU, the athletics department is generally supportive of the policy but called for the NCAA to vet the proposal more, said Jim Marchiony, associate athletic director.

“We’re not opposed to the concept of a stipend,” Marchiony said. “I think any time you can get more money into the hands of student-athletes that it’s a good thing.”

However, he said, Kansas Athletics identified a few issues with the initial proposal.

First, he said, it raised a gender-equity issue. The stipend would be available only for players on a full scholarship. Most nonrevenue sports at KU split scholarships among more than one player.

Football and men’s basketball players who receive scholarships are typically all on a full scholarship. Therefore, Marchiony said, KU has about 100 men and about 40 women who would qualify for the stipend as written.

Second, he said, the proposal as written allowed a stipend of up to $2,000, but not more than the actual cost of attendance for a student. The proposal was meant to cover the difference between an athletics scholarship and the true cost of attending school.

At many schools, including KU, that difference would not reach $2,000, Marchiony said. A school like KU would be able to offer a stipend of roughly $1,200, he said, while others could offer the full $2,000.

“Then, it becomes a recruiting issue,” Marchiony said.

Green said he didn’t have much time to secure outside employment while playing football at KU. His scholarship paid the bills, but Green said the extra cash would’ve been helpful for him and other teammates, too.

“It was enough to live on if you managed your money right,” Green said of his scholarship money.

But with the extra stipend, he might have been able to buy some clothes or have a little bit extra to put away, he said.

Green, who lives in Lawrence, is attending seminary school and working in the social work field. He said even though he supports the NCAA proposal, he doesn’t think college athletes should be paid. That’s understood when an athlete is getting recruited, he said.

“We’re not a professional athlete, so we’re not entitled to anything,” Green said.

Marchiony agreed that many student-athletes lack the time to work given their coursework and team responsibilities.

“This is a way to give them something in return for what they give to the school,” Marchiony said.

— The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Comments

Alceste 2 years, 10 months ago

What a crock of bull roar. "Student Athletes". No such thing in the NCAA. All 'em got a brand on 'em "Owned by the NCAA".

"The Shame of College Sports" : http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/

The Atlantic Monthly; October, 2011

"...corporations offer money so they can profit from the glory of college athletes, and the universities grab it. In 2010, despite the faltering economy, a single college athletic league, the football-crazed Southeastern Conference (SEC), became the first to crack the billion-dollar barrier in athletic receipts. The Big Ten pursued closely at $905 million. That money comes from a combination of ticket sales, concession sales, merchandise, licensing fees, and other sources—but the great bulk of it comes from television contracts."

"...For all the outrage, the real scandal is not that students are getting illegally paid or recruited, it’s that two of the noble principles on which the NCAA justifies its existence—“amateurism” and the “student-athlete”—are cynical hoaxes, legalistic confections propagated by the universities so they can exploit the skills and fame of young athletes. The tragedy at the heart of college sports is not that some college athletes are getting paid, but that more of them are not."

"The NCAA today is in many ways a classic cartel. Efforts to reform it—most notably by the three Knight Commissions over the course of 20 years—have, while making changes around the edges, been largely fruitless. The time has come for a major overhaul. And whether the powers that be like it or not, big changes are coming. Threats loom on multiple fronts: in Congress, the courts, breakaway athletic conferences, student rebellion, and public disgust. Swaddled in gauzy clichés, the NCAA presides over a vast, teetering glory."

Jan Rolls 2 years, 10 months ago

I have said for many years that NCAA stands for No Class At All. They rake in the money and say to heck with the ones that earned it. I remember during Danny Mannings senior year he was about to become a millionaire after his last game but before that he had to borrow money from his dad to take his date out for pizza. It's terrible that an athlete can't afford to buy a pair of jeans.

lawrencejna 2 years, 10 months ago

“This is a way to give them something in return for what they give to the school,”

How about a free college education? I think that's worth something.

cheerio 2 years, 10 months ago

It is something, but not enough for the revenue these athletes generate. Studies have shown that the average "student-athlete" on full scholarship still spends $3K-$4K out of their own pocket on college costs.

oakfarm 2 years, 10 months ago

Not true. Some sports do generate a profit. Most don't. And some of those "own pocket" costs include cell phones, going to the movies, bar tabs, jewelry. Since when does "full scholarship" mean "everything free, including tuition?"

thinkinganalytically 2 years, 10 months ago

The NCAA is best viewed as a cartel that seeks to minimize competition for athletes between schools, suppressing the cost of hiring them. The beneficiaries are the big name coaches that must be hired to get athletes to come to an institution.

Horace 2 years, 10 months ago

And the AD's that are hired to bring in the coaches.

canusayduh 2 years, 10 months ago

My kids spend more than $3-4K out of pocket to attend school as well. It's a choice, and the athletes do not have to accept the scholarship to attend school. I don't feel sorry for them one bit. Earn your way just like every other student does. They've chosen athletics, someone else chooses a different venue. So what. It's called free will and it's up to them.

tecuani 2 years, 10 months ago

But chances are, your children don't provide income for the school outside of the cost of classes, fees etc.

oakfarm 2 years, 10 months ago

Get real. Most student-athletes provide no income to the school and they cost the school a lot more than their scholarship, with tutors, buffet meals, physical therapy, coaches, equipment.

parrothead8 2 years, 10 months ago

And if you'd read the article, you'd know that "most student athletes" wouldn't be getting the stipend...only ones on full scholarships. The vast majority of those at KU play football or basketball, otherwise known as the sports that provide income to the school.

mrsm 2 years, 10 months ago

Student athletes have it way better than the majority of the students on this campus. They have a full wardrobe furnished by Adidas, they have room and board paid for, they even have people following them around to make sure they go to class. Now they want more money? Give me a break!!! Maybe when they don't make it to the pros and have to find a job with their Communications degrees they will know what it's really like to have a full-time job and really have bills to pay. At least they won't be in the whole from student loans!

gw1044 2 years, 10 months ago

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Michael Rowland 2 years, 10 months ago

You are in school to get an EDUCATION, not to play games. If playing games takes time away from working a regular job to earn your money, then looks like you need to revisit your priorities! Those of us who aren't blessed with athletic prowess can't spend all our free time playing XBOX and expect to pay the bills!

mom_of_three 2 years, 10 months ago

Their "playing games" pays for their education. With practice, study hall, travel time and games, most athletes do not even have time for a job during the season. I didn't know athletes received more than their tuition, books, etc. But I guess depending on what scholarship they received.

Gee, alot of haters on athletes. If some didnt get scholarships, they wouldnt be able to attend the schools they are able to attend with it.

oakfarm 2 years, 10 months ago

Most financial aid is need based, not athletic based and at the very best schools, those in need who have excellent academic qualifications get a full ride. The counterposition to your argument is more common: Atletes who would have business in being in school, and no interest, were it not for playing a sport. And many don't earn an education, they just attend school, until they flunk out or complete a useless degree.

bigb41 2 years, 10 months ago

The KU mens basketball program alone brings in roughly $5,100,000 in PROFIT every year. Your child might be paying 3k-4k a year out of pocket for school, but they are also not earning millions of dollars for the athletics program with their presence at KU. $30,000 in stipends for 15 athletes from 5.1 million dollars in profit, that does not occur with out their collective presence, sounds pretty fair to me.

oakfarm 2 years, 10 months ago

So spin off the basketball program and let it be the minor league professional sport that it has become, but don't pretend that these athletes are primarily students, or students first. And you conveniently ignore all the other sports that lose money as well as the other schools where their basketball programs lose money as well. Go look at Towson, Binghamton,...

Horace 2 years, 10 months ago

Here's one way to look at it.

Rick Carlisle, the coach of the Mavericks, makes about $4,000,000 per year. The average player salary is about $5,800,000 per year. Thus, the not-so-free market NBA, tells us that the average player is worth 145% of what the coach is worth.

In contrast, Bill Self gets paid $3,000,000 per year. But under the National Communists Against Athletes' cartel, player salaries are capped at a $40,000 scholarship. So, the NCAA is screwing the players out of approximately $4,000,000 per year.

pusscanthropus 2 years, 10 months ago

I've always wondered how the football and basketball players pay child support? Many of them already have more than one child by the time they get here.

Alceste 2 years, 10 months ago

"The United States is the only country in the world that hosts big-time sports at institutions of higher learning..... Millions of spectators flock into football stadiums each Saturday in the fall, and tens of millions more watch on television. The March Madness basketball tournament each spring has become a major national event, with upwards of 80 million watching it on television ....

"With so many people paying for tickets and watching on television, college sports has become Very Big Business. According to various reports, the football teams at Texas, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, and Penn State—to name just a few big-revenue football schools—each earn between $40 million and $80 million in profits a year, even after paying coaches multimillion-dollar salaries. When you combine so much money with such high, almost tribal, stakes—football boosters are famously rabid in their zeal to have their alma mater win—corruption is likely to follow."

mosshawk 2 years, 10 months ago

AWESOME COMMENT.....very good, very, very, good.

mosshawk 2 years, 10 months ago

it is really odd how we value things in this crazy society...this usa today article................. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-03-29-scholarship-worth-final-four_N.htm ...................... values a full ride basketball scholarship at $120,000...but value is definitely relative. how much do many of us ku bball fans value mario chalmers 3-point shot in the'08 championship? how about T-Rob playing a GAME after his MOTHER DIED?????? and his teammates were there with him...how much do we value that??? Thomas Robinson has given his heart and soul and complete emotions to this university...does he deserve only a degree from this university? The basketball players have put so many butts in the seats and sold tickets and t-shirts and popcorn and nachos and soda-pop for this university that they deserve so much more than what they get...........

oakfarm 2 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, but he doesn't 'deserve' a degree. He has to earn it, play by the rules, and enjoy an opportunity to compete not available to 99.9% of the population. It means putting the 'student' in 'student' athlete. A better argument would be to have the NBA -- or the athlete -- pay back their scholarship to the school based on their NBA earnings. A lot of people defer their income until later in their career. No one in his right mind assumes he should make a living being a student, even as an athlete. Where is your sense of perspective?

mosshawk 2 years, 10 months ago

oh boy...mr (oakfarm) dissect words...great my favorite...sorry i said DESERVE... now imagine if you will that i typed the word EARN instead of DESERVE can you do that? is that a possibility???? now read the rest of the comment and try to UNDERSTAND!!!!! HYPOTHETICALLY...lets say THOMAS ROBINSON !!!!!!!!!!!!EARNED A DEGREE AT KU????????!!!!!!!! ARE YOU STILL WITH ME????????? IS THAT OKAY DID I TYPE THAT RIGHT???????CAN I TYPE SOME MORE??????IS THAT OKAY????CAN I CONTIUE????????OKAY, DO YOU VALUE THOMAS ROBINSON'S SACRIFICES???OR DID YOU ALSO HAVE A PARENT DIE AND THEN PLAY A GAME FOR A UNIVERSITY RIGHT AFTER?????DID THAT UNIVERSITY ALSO MAKE A BOATLOAD OF MONEY AND JUST SAY "IM SORRY THOMAS"?????.....OR DID THAT SCENARIO ALSO JUST HAPPEN TO YOU????????CAN I CONTINUE?????????DID I EARN THAT PRIVILEGE ???????????????

thebayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

I was a student-athlete at KU - not full ride but on a partial scholarship. I ended up with just under 17k in student loan debt, which is pretty average for students now.

As mentioned in the article, the stipend would not help at all for student-athletes with a partial scholarship, meaning that the verbage of the will was written specifically to benefit SA's in major sports (football and basketball)

I think it is a great bill, but I also think it is the beginning (or middle) of the end for the NCAA. The Students playing basketball and football often come from lower SES families. We should be more than happy to give them all the help we can.

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