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Gov. Brownback’s plan to post teachers’ rankings causes outcry; GOP senator describes plan as ‘toxic’

January 26, 2012, 5:10 p.m. Updated January 26, 2012, 7:23 p.m.

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— Gov. Sam Brownback has formally introduced his 138-page school finance overhaul, and it includes a provision that Brownback officials had not discussed before publicly: a proposal to evaluate teachers, partly based on student achievement, and post their rankings on the Internet.

That plan received a rough welcome on Thursday from several Republican and Democratic legislators and the Kansas National Education Association.

State Sen. Jean Kurtis Schodorf, R-Wichita, and chairwoman of the Senate Education Committee, described the evaluation proposal as “pretty toxic.”

She noted the Kansas Department of Education was already working on a new model aimed at providing uniformity across the state in evaluating school personnel. That program is being tried in several school districts.

Brownback’s plan would require school districts to adopt teacher evaluations that would be based 50 percent on student performance on state assessments, 40 percent on input from supervisors, peers, parents and students, and 10 percent on the employees’ contribution to the profession.

Teachers would be graded as either highly effective, effective, progressing or ineffective. And the evaluations would be posted on a website.

Brownback has proposed providing $5,000 bonuses to employees rated as highly effective. For those deemed ineffective, school districts would be encouraged to provide professional development. And districts could terminate anyone scoring ineffective for two straight years. Students could not be taught by teachers ranked as ineffective for two consecutive years.

“Including input from parents and families in the evaluation process will encourage more meaningful engagement between educators and students’ families,” said Jon Hummell, director of operations for Brownback.

“It is also important for parents to have confidence their child is receiving a quality education. Therefore, this legislation would require that each educator’s rating be posted on a website designated by the school district that is accessible to the parents of the students enrolled in the district,” he said.

But placing teacher evaluations on a website will only hinder efforts by teachers to improve and the work of administrators who are trying to make personnel decisions, said Mark Desetti, a lobbyist with the Kansas National Education Association.

He added that teachers already feel under attack because of pay issues, cuts in school funding, proposed changes to their pensions and increased health insurance costs.

“This is strictly punitive and harmful,” Desetti said of Brownback’s plan.

The evaluation proposal is included in Brownback’s legislation to overhaul the school finance system. Brownback wants to remove state limits on local funding of schools and eliminate the current system of using “weights” that divvies up extra funding for special needs of students.

Schodorf said she would probably divide Brownback’s bill into four measures. She said the best way to get things passed is to keep legislation as simple as possible. Brownback’s education bill, she said, “Probably sets the record for moving parts.”

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trippoli 2 years, 2 months ago

Brownback couldn't handle it when some teenager gave him an unflattering on-line "review". Too bad he isn't tough enough to hold himself up to the same standards he is promoting. How about if he gets paid according to the economic health and wealth of Kansas and its citizens??

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trippoli 2 years, 2 months ago

Brownback couldn't handle it when some teenager gave him an unflattering on-line "review". Too bad he isn't tough enough to hold himself up to the same standards he is promoting. How about if he gets paid according to the economic health and wealth of Kansas and its citizens??

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gorilla 2 years, 2 months ago

The bugaboo of factoring student performance into the evaluation of a teacher is that there are things that affect academic performance that are beyond the teacher's control, e.g. some home situations, peer groups that do not value academic achievement, etc.

Is there any evaluation plan among those being proposed today that can factor out things the teacher has no control over? I don't think so, and I don't think it can be done.

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Phoenixman 2 years, 2 months ago

Did not King Barak just say in the SOTU that he wanted to reward excellent teachers? How can we reward excellence if we don't know who is achieving excellence and who is not?

Support our King and we get criticized, criticize our King and we get accused of not supporting him.

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Carol Bowen 2 years, 2 months ago

There are 12 exceptions to the Privacy Act.

The "No Disclosure Without Consent" Rule Twelve Exceptions to the "No Disclosure Without Consent" Rule 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(1) ("need to know" within agency) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(2) (required FOIA disclosure) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(3) (routine uses) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(4) (Bureau of the Census) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(5) (statistical research) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(6) (National Archives) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(7) (law enforcement request) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(8) (health or safety of an individual) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(9) (Congress) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(10) (General Accounting Office) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(11) (court order) 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(12) (Debt Collection Act)

I doubt revealing personnel information could be justified by any of the above.

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gl0ck0wn3r 2 years, 2 months ago

So many many many many many people are functionally illiterate.

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uglyrumor 2 years, 2 months ago

Another attempt by the right to privatize education along with everything else they can make a buck on. Can't wait for wife to finish school so we can get out of this state.

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eugunieum 2 years, 2 months ago

While I will agree that there are some bad teachers out there, how dare anyone lump them together in their views, politics, etc. Also we have evaluators now. How can more be better? I remember one year I was teaching a unit on automatic transmissions and how they upshift and downshift. We had been on the unit for awhile and the kids were getting it. My "evaluator" came in to observe. He had no clue whatsoever if what I was teaching was right or wrong. So now some state person can come in and do better? This whole deal just sucks. I am sooooo glad I am retired.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 2 months ago

The shark has been jumped in many many many many directions.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

Considering the opportunities Public Education is a best bang for the tax buck. Not all parents have the neither the background nor the time to educate their children.

In what way are public schools failing? So many many many many many public school students graduate then go to college and graduate again.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then become successful organic farmers.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then become expert auto mechanics.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then become small business owners.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then become scientists

So many many many many many public school students graduate then become career college students doing what they do best.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then produce managers.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then become great musicians.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then become talented graphic designers.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then become great masters in pottery.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then simply succeed in something.

So many many many many many public school students graduate then become teachers that provide direction for the children in the USA.

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globehead 2 years, 2 months ago

Gov. Brownback’s plan to post teacher evaluations is a patently and totally ridiculous idea from our delusional governor who continues to try to govern this state from his narrow minded world of make believe.

To publish salaries, assignment locations and positions of public employees is one thing. To publish specific performance is a grotesque violation of ones personal privacy and would never be tolerated by business short of an exposure of criminal behavior. I swear the man lives in a mind numbing vacuum devoid of logic and common sense!

We have already seen with his involvement in social services his incomprehensible understanding of how to deal with social issues with bringing the infamous triumvirate of administrative buffoons in from Florida, a state which never operated its social service agencies as efficiently as has Kansas. Two of those geniuses have now departed after butchering careers of many talented SRS employees. These Florida sycophants were in way over their heads.

We should also not forget the extensively vetted and great six hour IT wonder with the mail order degree with extensive experience as a stamp licker who the governor’s people had appointed as head of the state’s extensive IT resources.

Additionally, we must not forget the plan to eliminate poverty via marriage, a continuum of trying to apply moronic solutions to complicated problems.

The governor thinks education will be enhanced by publishing performance evaluations. I’m certainly not in favor of retaining bad teachers. If this idea has even a modicum of validity, then we should go whole hog. Let’s also publish the names of parents who infrequently or never come to a parent-teacher conference. Let’s publish the names of parents who feed their children so poorly the teachers and schools have to take on the added burden of providing nutritional benefits for these forgotten or neglected children. Let’s publish the names of students who show a continual pattern of disrupting classrooms to the detriment of other students. Let’s publish the names of administrators who continually fail to support their teachers with disciplinary issues. Let’s publish the names of administrators who fail to stand up to parents in support of classroom teachers who have to deal with behavior problems. Let’s publish the names of students who fail to do homework and parents who fail to see that their children do homework. Let’s publish the names of parents who go berserk if their child doesn’t make the varsity but never question what they can do to insure their child earns, yes earns, and is not just given a passing grade.

Finally, lets be sure to publish the names of politicians who continually come up with lame ideas. It may be a good idea to publish the names of the people who voted for them. If the teachers are to be embarrassed, then lets embarrass everyone. Education may not get any better, but we’ll damned well know who’s at fault.

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Gotland 2 years, 2 months ago

If you are a good parent and nurture and teach your child, why send them to school at all? Why pay taxes for schools? It’s just a warehouse/daycare.

Look at all the public schools in all major metropolitan areas, that is where all public education is heading. Better to just kill it off now and save some tax money so parents don’t have to work as much and can spend more time with their children instead of working to fund failing schools.

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Gandalf 2 years, 2 months ago

Heck, I'd be tickled to death just to see a current Evilsam poll!

I'd turn him into something un-natural but mother nature beat me to it.

BTW the Mad Hatter drank tea.

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motercyclejim 2 years, 2 months ago

I am truely suprised at how many people on here are support the teachers communist views and dont see what their really doing!!! They get paid soooo much just to indoctorinate our children to be comunist democrats and now all the people on here want to defend them its wrong.

You need to learn how to think for yoursself and not listen to the comunist medias telling us that teacher's are good. teachers are worse then obama!!!!

RON PAUL 2012!

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concernedeudoravoter 2 years, 2 months ago

How can we evaluate/rank/rate teachers, with 50% of that score of that score coming from the performance of the students on the standardized evaluation tests without first evaluating/ranking/rating all of the students parents/families. When youth are sent to school without the proper level of readiness, which needs to come from the family unit, however that family is structured, we all know what can happen. We require citizens to pass a test and become licensed prior to driving a car, but any idiot can go out and have a kid, whether they are ready to be a parent or not. This is so evident when teachers/schools have parent teacher conferences. The parents that really need to go see a teacher or multiple teachers about their student(s) usually are the ones that don't come. Everyone in the system, parents, teachers, administrators and tax payers are all responsible for the education of the young people in the state of Kansas.

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Richard Payton 2 years, 2 months ago

Could the Kansas Governor want to establish a ranking of State Governors as well? This might work out if after two years we the people could kick the ineffective governor's out of office. Just wondering where Governor Sam Brownback would rank with his own standards.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 2 months ago

Copy/paste, copy/paste, copy/paste.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

Corporate Welfare = Fascism Creeping

Those of us who are familiar with the world's history know that the old line "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" isn't just a cute phrase, but it's a fact of human nature, and its invariably proven throughout human history.

Democracy was a concept started to make sure the power of the state is held within the hands of all the people, and never within a select few. As soon as power is concentrated, it is inevitably abused. This creates a cycle of creeping fascism.

Democracy means power of the people, by the people, and for the people, and the United States of America was founded on this principle. Under this principle, the people need to be informed, educated, and need the power to make the decisions for the state.

When these conditions are met, Democracy can flourish. When these conditions are not met, then Democracy disappears.

Our founding fathers wanted to insure Democracy for our country. Benjamin Franklin created the public library, the purpose being no citizen will be secluded from public knowledge. He also founded the public school, the purpose being no citizen will be without a basic education.

There were other steps needed to preserve Democracy that were never taken, that were not written in the Constitution, because they could have never been predicted. This is why our founding fathers allowed the Constitution and law codes of our country to be versatile, to change to the needs of the time.

Our founding fathers could not have predicted that the corporation itself would become its own entity, with its own rights, and eventually have the ability to operate above the law.

Our founding fathers could have not predicted that corporations would continue to merge, until all our press, products, and services were practically coming from the same rich elite entity of people. Our founding fathers could not have predicted that the United States would create Security Agencies to operate internally and abroad in ways which would benefits profits and lessen human rights.

Unfortunately, fascism is slick, and people are trusting. People don't realize how the merging of companies can undermine Democracy. They are trusting that their government's version of "national security" is more important than human rights. The people are complacent and trusting, and don't understand their responsibilities under Democracy.

But now, the power is with the rich, and their power is growing. One day the laws themselves will protect the powerful beyond the reach of our Democracy. Before its too late, the people could stop this concentrating power, if they so realized its threat.

http://corporatewelfare.org/articles/creeping.htm

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

Public education is not mandatory. There are many many other options but what public education does and can do well is educate educate educate educate educate. IF money and tools are not pulled out from underneath the system.

Yet the lions share of taxpayers choose the public education system with good reason.

To maintain a superb system parents must remain active which means we cannot allow school boards to dictate what will be. As taxpayers we are also the most important stakeholders who elect school boards to carry out our wishes not the other way around.

Neither do we stakeholders look to a governor to dictate how our system should graded...no way jose'. Now we're talking more BIG GOVERNMENT not less.

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Gotland 2 years, 2 months ago

Mandatory public state education is fascism. Taking away all funding would be more like anarchy. I am not sure I get your “fascism” claim.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

No Child Left Behind was designed to manipulate a derogatory measuring device that could be applied to public schools.

This thing to also measure teachers will be designed to put forth less than acceptable performances by the public schools.

Private industry wants the trillions upon trillions of tax dollars that flow through the nations public school systems. Think facism. That will bring on obscene CEO salaries,golden parachutes,shareholders and special interest campaign contributions.

This is not about educating the students. It is about big profits for the few once again. Let's not be stupid about the Brownback/Koch/Walton thinkers. Yes facism pure and simple.

Another thought. Private industry will control the textbooks which means parents will need to review textbooks constantly. This influential group will also decide what books our should read or should not read...... it is happening as we speak.

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buffalo63 2 years, 2 months ago

KCManimal says, "teachers need to be evaluated: by competent and skilled administrators" is absolutely correct, and herein lies the problem. There are districts (and my daughter is teaching in one) where the administrators (and school board in some cases) get in the way of actual teaching. Not providing basic materials and supplies, discouraging innovative teaching methods, etc. One year the principal reassigned all the teachers in the building to a different grade level. No discussion with the teachers, no educational reasoning....just because they could.
There are procedures for dismissing "bad" teachers, even those with tenure. Competent and skilled administrators can do it.

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WilburNether 2 years, 2 months ago

Oh, my, listen to the educrats squeal when someone wants to hold them accountable for their job performance!

And then there's KNEA's fundamental lying when it names itself an "Education Association," as opposed to "Teachers' Union," which, of course, is what it actually is. And union thugs just hate it when they are held accountable for their taxpayer-paid performance.

How about some truth in advertising, hmmm?

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 2 months ago

Somebody brought up a good point. If a private school receives public money (through a voucher system or whatever), will their teachers also be subject to the public "naming and shaming"? As it stands, at this point they don't even have to do the standardized testing mandated by NCLB. And frankly, it shows on some of the students they are pumping out. (My own daughter "graduated" from such a school. She wasn't even taught introductory Algebra. She was, however, given a course on "How to be a Modern Christian Woman", which was required for all females in the school 15 and up. When she went to college she had to take no less then THREE remedial courses.)

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cellogrl 2 years, 2 months ago

Okay, you have covered most, but not all of my thoughts. The first one that seems to have been hit, is the one about the teachers who do not teach in assessed areas, including myself. What happens to them?

The second part I REALLY have concerns about is the part with teacher and student input. Yes, in theory this sounds good, but what about those students or parents who have a personality conflict with the teacher and just really have a bone to pick with them? They are going to do anything they can to make that teacher look bad even if the teacher has done nothing wrong. There are the overprotective parents who think that the teacher is just picking on their child, when in reality, their child is doing things in the classroom that are not conducive to learning (and I am not talking about myself, but another teacher here). These parents would likely grade the teacher down. I just really think that parent bias would do a disservice to the teachers.

Overall, it's not just the evaluation piece I have an issue with, but the whole school funding formula that is being proposed.

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Elizabeth Stancliffe 2 years, 2 months ago

It is so easy to blame the teachers, and more politically expedient, apparently, than the difficult discussions about funding. Our teachers are not the problem with the educational system.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 2 months ago

Well, I was going to jump in here and comment, but it seems that most of you good folks have already made the unbelievable stupidity of this "governer" clearly visible.

How about posting the evaluation ratings of police officers? How about city managers? ow about city comnissioners?

This governer has raised the art of screwing up everything to a new heighten level.

Are you proud Kansas? Do you like the efectiveness of this failed senator? Do you think your knee jerk vote for this jerk was wise and logical? Do you see what you get when you buy this republican tea party kool-aid???

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Mary Darst 2 years, 2 months ago

OMG! I just wish all the naysayers on here could come to my town and teach a Math or Language Arts class for the whole180 days. Acually, testing is usually in March and April, so your time to teach the test is less. Then when you get out for that big summer break, you can spend your own money to take continuing education classes during the summer months. Oh, by the way, you need to stop dividing the pay for 180 days. Most have it spread out over 12 months, so they can pay for their extra classes in the summer. And. now let's think about the administration....wait till you see what behavior problems you have to deal with everyday in your class, and how it is handled. Until you have walked in a teachers shoes, you all probably need to shut the hell up.

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Ripp 2 years, 2 months ago

What about the first and second year teachers that are in an area that is not covered by the state tests? The first year on the job had better be stellar!

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truman 2 years, 2 months ago

Just when I thought Brownback couldn't do anything more crazy .....

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Gotland 2 years, 2 months ago

Just like NCLB this is more pointless wasteful regulation. But it is also what you can expect when you take government money.

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motercyclejim 2 years, 2 months ago

THIS IS A GRATE IDEA!!!!!! Teachers are terrible!!! they dont do anything their more useless then most goverment employees! VOTE RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

Anyone paid with tax dollars should be graded and that grade made public. We pay the bill, we should know what we are buying.

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Jimo 2 years, 2 months ago

In contrast!

The teachers' plan would require the State to adopt officeholder evaluations that would be based 50 percent on the politician's individual performance on quality assessments (compromises with others, avoids making a public scandal of themselves, focuses on important matters rather than irrelevant distractions, avoids obvious errors such as claiming that cutting taxes increases tax revenues, etc.), 40 percent on input from polls, peer input (snitches), academic studies, reviews by newspaper editorial boards, internet commentary and chat boards, and the opinions of other esteemed figures, and 10 percent on the results from a standardized intelligence test.

Brownback rejected the teachers' plan saying that not only would it disproportionately decimate the ranks of GOP officials but would unduly restrict the ability of voters to select candidates more dumb than the average bear.

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KNUCKLEDRAGGER 2 years, 2 months ago

Can you possibly hold a teacher accountable for test scores ? Yes Are there bad teachers Yes , Are there bad doctors ? Bad Lawyers ? Bad Clergy ? Bad accountants ? Bad Cooks, Bad Waiters , Bad Bill Collectors , Bad File Clerks , Bad Mechanics ? Bad Politicians , Bad Governors There are bad people in every occupation . These other jobs are SELF Dependent, Self Reliant .
You do not have to factor in things like kids, their homelife, previous years of study, what someone taught them the year before. Playing Catch up . Limited Resources , buying supplies with your own money .
There needs to be a proper way to evaluate teachers, this is not it !!!!

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bd 2 years, 2 months ago

Seen too many sub-par teachers just sliding by until retirement, they are a minority but they are still out there doing a diservice to our young people!

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bobberboy 2 years, 2 months ago

Hey did you all hear - Low I.Q. = conservative religious types and racists.

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John McCoy 2 years, 2 months ago

My wife teaches English here in Texas. Most of her students speak limited or no English. Even Rick Perry is not stupid enough to do what your governor is proposing. In the Ridiculous Governor Sweepstakes, you in Kansas win over us here in Texas.

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Tracy Rogers 2 years, 2 months ago

"Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself! "

Between Sam and Mike O'Neil, my only question is which one is Harry and which one is Lloyd??

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Gary Denning 2 years, 2 months ago

Will the teachers be credited for how much a student learns in a year? If a 4th grade student starts the year reading at a 1st grade level and ends the year at a 3rd grade level the teacher has done a good job but his/her evaluation would show poor performance.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 2 months ago

"...My My father in law left the RINO party because he is a fiscal conservative republican with at least 60 years under his belt. Evermore stunning he is working with democrat party in Pennsylvania..." You can always tell when a certain poster is actually keying in his own text. I'd kinda like to see this evermore stunning dude.

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Joe Hyde 2 years, 2 months ago

Does the Governor's plan for state education include a requirement that teacher evaluations be performed at private schools using the same methodology he's proposing for public schools? If so, is he proposing that the annual evaluations of private school teachers be posted on the Internet?

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Matt Needham 2 years, 2 months ago

What we really need is a website that let's us give our politicians rankings of highly effective, effective, progressing, or ineffective. Highly effective = you get a $5000 bonus. Ineffective = automatic recall.

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repaste 2 years, 2 months ago

"lunacy detected" "lunacy detected" Alert Alert

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

Gov Sam Brownback gets a Grade F-

Gov Sam Brownback is an expert at not too many things..... except wasting tax dollars big time. Just like what his party has been doing each time they take over the white house.

This is a first step to justify privatization of the public school system.

Quit Voting Rino!

These RINO's care about money and power. Yes Koch Bros are nut jobs just like the Wal-Mart family and both are billionaires through no fault of their own. Yet both are funding think tanks and other PAC"s that represent lower wages for most all americans blue and white collar.

STOP electing RINO’s ! My My father in law left the RINO party because he is a fiscal conservative republican with at least 60 years under his belt. Evermore stunning he is working with democrat party in Pennsylvania.

RINO's focus is privatization of as much government as possible. Not because private industry can do anything better or more efficient. It is because these private industry nut jobs want OUR trillions of tax dollars in their bank accounts.

Then OUR trillions of tax dollars can be spent evermore recklessly after all the most reliable source of fraud against consumers and taxpayers is private industry.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 2 months ago

I recall, oh, maybe a decade ago, California tried to tie a pay raise to the teacher passing a standardized test. The test was in their core subject and was at an eighth grade level (if memory serves). Well the union howled. They wanted the pay increase but not the test. They accused the state of all forms of malfeasance including charges of racism, anti-professionalism, whatever they could think of.
Now here's the deal, in my opinion. I absolutely believe that teachers should be treated as the professionals they are. I think they are grossly underpaid and under appreciated. I think that in conjunction with substantial pay increases, raising their pay to the levels of other professionals with similar education and experience, there needs to be some way to evaluate teacher performance. This plan may or may not be the correct method. But rather than just finding fault, come up with a better plan.

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jaywalker 2 years, 2 months ago

I'm all for everything in the plan, EXCEPT posting the results. That should be confidential. If they want to announce recipients of the bonus for being "highly effective", that would be cool. But if the plan is for the teacher not to be teaching after two 'poor' years, I believe that's incentive enough, and it doesn't need to be known by the public.

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lunacydetector 2 years, 2 months ago

average salary.......$41467 average 186 days of work a year 41467 / 186 = $222.94 per day 222.94 X 5 days = $1114.70 per week ....graded, some receive a bonus that do good, some can't teach that do bad those poor teachers

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mloburgio 2 years, 2 months ago

About ALEC Exposed

This page reveals how ALEC bills would privatize public education, crush teacher's unions, and push American universities to the right. Among other things, these bills make education a private commodity rather than a public good, and reverse America’s modern innovation of promoting learning and civic virtue through public schools staffed with professional teachers for children from all backgrounds. Through ALEC, corporations have both a VOICE and a VOTE on specific state laws to change the American education system. Do you? http://alecexposed.org/wiki/Privatizing_Public_Education,_Higher_Ed_Policy,_and_Teachers

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autie 2 years, 2 months ago

teacher: "Mr Smith, if Johnny did his homework I'm sure his test scores would improve".

Mr. Smith: "Gee teacher, Johnny has homework? Maybe you ought to tell someone about that".

teacher: "Gee Mr. Smith, I sent five notices in the mail and six with Johnny. Neither you are your wife showed up for the assigned parent/teacher conference."

Mr. SMith: "Gee teacher, I work hard and need my beer after work. Besides, that is your job anyway."

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Jackie Jackasserson 2 years, 2 months ago

Here are a couple of inherent flaws in this model. One is sounds like Florida's model (perhaps that is where he wishes he were). Two is groups of kids tend to be more alike the longer they are together for better and for worse. So some groups of kids will just tend to perform not as well and some will perform well no matter who is instructing them. Three is that we don't start testing until third grade. Besides the other points of evaluating instructors whose content area is not tested there is the issue of the quality of education received in those first three years. Those years are the most important. Will you base the evaluation of K through 2nd grade educators on third grade test scores? Third grade teachers only have a few short months before testing begins to remediate any poor education that may have occurred. There are probably more flaws. But those are the ones that come to mind first.

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KSManimal 2 years, 2 months ago

Sammie doesn't want to improve public schools, he (puppet of ALEC) wants to destroy them in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy, and keep the majority ignorant (= easier to exploit).

The rest of you, though, should read this:

http://www.examiner.com/k-12-in-topeka/we-must-fire-bad-doctors

and this:

http://www.examiner.com/k-12-in-topeka/adequate-yearly-diddily-poop

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KSManimal 2 years, 2 months ago

Why not just set up rows of stocks in the center of each town, then put teachers in them over the summer? That way, everyone would have a chance to spit on them at least once; and the teachers wouldn't be taking valuable temporary jobs away from all the illegal immigrants.

weknowwhatsambrowniedoesalot

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JJE007 2 years, 2 months ago

I see Brownbeak is continuing to audition for the Koch commercial. "Take a big snort and smile!"

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DRsmith 2 years, 2 months ago

Works for me. What is there to hide? They should be held accountable. Does Lawrence just automatically go against whatever Brownback proposes? I wouldn't get your hopes up for a new governor. Outside of Lawrence, he is pretty popular and doing the job he was elected to do, like it or not you crazy libs.

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mr_right_wing 2 years, 2 months ago

Sounds like a good idea to me...we (under)pay these teachers through taxes; we ought to be able to see what we get. You could apply that to almost any public tax supported employee. If I was a public employee; do it...!

Would you want to see an evaluation of your doctor before an important proceedure? Teachers play as vital a role as any doctor; we should want the very best and weed out the burnouts who really don't care anymore.

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Shelley Bock 2 years, 2 months ago

What is scary is that although there are many who see the impossibility of determining teacher ability as defined by Brownback, there will be many Kansans who think it is a good idea who's time has now come.

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tange 2 years, 2 months ago

Rumor has it that he daily reenacts the parting of the Late Cretaceous Western Interior Sea, John Brown style...

http://tinyurl.com/6s74gl2

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 2 months ago

Is this man actively working on being a one termer?

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4getabouit 2 years, 2 months ago

Watching Brownback work his political bs is the best show in town. Old puffy eyed Brownie is so full of himself. Move over Beavis!

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Mike Ford 2 years, 2 months ago

I guess this clown didn't hear the Obama memo saying stop bullying teachers in the State of the Union Address....

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kugrad 2 years, 2 months ago

Hmm. As a teacher working in a really low income neighborhood with a lot of racial diversity, maybe I should transfer to a better part of town where the kids grow up with all the advantages, come to school ready to learn, and don't have to deal with being homeless, hungry, and all the many factors that put them at risk. That way I won't be rated ineffective when factors beyond my control influence the 50% of my rating based on test scores. Then again, maybe I should stay in the low income area and raise future leaders to know better than our current Governor. Hopefully you get my point - evaluations based on test results are bound to fail.

BTW, did you know researchers have proven that test score data cannot be used to differentiate good teachers from poor teachers due to a variety of factors, not the least of which is that the makeup of their classes (ability) changes yearly? True!

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Gandalf 2 years, 2 months ago

Bet teachers will lose points for teaching evolution! This is just like anything EvilSam comes up with, may have grain of validity but once he's through fouling it up it stinks!

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tcohen 2 years, 2 months ago

My wife teaches in an urban district with a highly transient population-- she has students coming and going weekly for a variety of reasons. Few students will be in her class for the entire year. There is high absenteeism, something she has no control over, and and she has students who will only show up for two minutes of class. (By state law, they must be counted as if they attended school all day long) About 20 percent of her class time this year will be spent preparing for or taking tests, thus she is supposed to make progress with less than a full school year of instructional time, and most students will actually experience far less. A student may enroll in her class a week before an assessment, take the test, and his or her score will be on my wife's class record as if she has had that student in class all year. I know my wife is a highly effective teacher despite the circumstances. She puts her heart and soul (and her own time and resources) into the job. But the current arbitrary nature of measuring "progress" in education, completely divorced from the reality in today's schools, will never reflect that. And Brownback's ignorant proposal will only anger and demoralize her, and encourage her and teachers like her to leave the profession.

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wastewatcher 2 years, 2 months ago

We must all be reminded that Senator/ Education Committee Chair Shodorf is employed by the Wichita school district and probably is a member of the KNEA. I wonder why the reported did not mention this in the article? Draw your own conclusions about her objectivity.

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lawrencechick 2 years, 2 months ago

I hope there will also be a ranking of parents since they are 90% responsible for how their children perform in school.

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toe 2 years, 2 months ago

Public servants, sometimes known as teachers, should be held accountable. However, the local school board should take care of that, not another level of government.

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windex 2 years, 2 months ago

Standardized test results? How does he propose to assess the... Speech therapists Librarians Special Education teachers Counselors Social Workers P.E. teachers Music teachers Art teachers Etc, etc, etc.

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LisaGreenwood 2 years, 2 months ago

What about the half of our certified teaching staff whose content area is not on a standardized state test? Library Media Specialists, Counselors, Art/Drama/Music/Business/Tech/FACS/PE - where does the 50% of our evaluation come from??? Someone didn't think this one through...

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voevoda 2 years, 2 months ago

Not only is the posting of such private personnel information intrusive (and perhaps illegal), the method Brownback proposes to use to assess teachers is deeply flawed. It bases 50% of the teacher's evaluation on the performance of students on the standardized tests, putting the dedicated teachers who work with learning-impaired students at risk to their careers. It bases an unknown percentage on "input from parents and students," making it easy for them to destroy a teacher's career because she or he has high standards, gives too much homework, or assigns a controversial book. Talented teachers would flee from Kansas under such a plan.

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To Sides 2 years, 2 months ago

Don't forget doctors. It should be posted where each ranked in their graduating class.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 2 months ago

When Brownback went to law school, where in his class did he finish? If he's up front with that information, then I don't see the problem with the teachers. If his information is private, so should the information about the teachers.

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question4u 2 years, 2 months ago

Brownback plan to improve education in Kansas:

Step 1: reduce funding for public education Step 2: eliminate pension and replace witha 401(k) Step 3: rate teachers and post their ratings online.

Soon Kansas should be overflowing with the best teachers in the nation, all of them lining up for the chance to teach in Kansas schools!

Hint to Sam: Anyone who is dumber than Rick Perry is never going to become president.

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autie 2 years, 2 months ago

Brownie ought to leave the school policies to the professional educators and not worry his little biblical mind over such matters. Chalk up another cluster f**k for the boy. I wonder how long it take to back track on this one. As he has done on so many other good ideas.

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average 2 years, 2 months ago

I remember 5 or so years back when lower-economic-status districts were pretty desperate for licensed non-molesting warm bodies. It can be pretty hard to fill slots in really rural areas, even when the schools are mostly okay. There's been some abeyance of that problem recently (between layoffs and people licensed to teach applying for positions after years away), but it's still not easy for math and science. I don't think the scarlet letter method is going to make it any easier to fill those classrooms in a few years.

The problem with 'fire the bad teachers' is that (most years) there isn't some deep magic pool of super teachers drooling over the $38k salary who are working at Walmart waiting for the callup. Principals and supers really were looking for the best candidate they could get at the time for the job (since they've always been judged on it), and the teachers we have are the best they could get.

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Jan Rolls 2 years, 2 months ago

I thought I was imaginng things but this guy is out of his mind. He better enjoy it because he is P***ing off eveyone in the state and he will never get elected.

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TinmanKC 2 years, 2 months ago

Let's base the salaries of the governor's staff on public polls.

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patkindle 2 years, 2 months ago

if i was a poor teacher and just in it for the 180 days, i would not want my grade posted, if i was a good teacher, but not popular i wouldnt be too crazy about public postings i doubt if the other teachers have a problem with publication

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 2 months ago

Brownback is more about punishment than anything else.

I have no problem with this system of evaluation or even its remedies. It is a dose of evaluation and feedback that is sorely needed.

But posting these evaluations publically is simply punitive.

Maybe, those who agree to it can have them published.

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