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Kansas cuts food aid for illegal immigrants’ kids

January 22, 2012

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— Kansas welfare officials have eliminated or slashed food stamp benefits for hundreds of low-income, U.S.-born children whose parents are illegal immigrants.

The cuts are the result of the Kansas Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services changing the way it counts household income when determining who is eligible for the food stamp program — now known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP.

The Kansas City Star reported that families affected by the change are those that contain a mixture of legal citizens and illegal immigrants. While illegal immigrants are not eligible for the food assistance, U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants can be.

The issue is that the formula now includes the entire income of all members of a household, but calculates food stamp eligibility as if the citizen children are the only people in the household. Previously, SRS counted only a portion if one or more members did not provide proof of legal U.S. residency.

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ShePrecedes 2 years, 2 months ago

I understand about anchor babies. However, I also remember that our government gave small-pox laden blankets to the natives here. In all intents and purposes, the USA government murdered (!) a race of people. I will not stand for this kind of behavior from our government anymore.

L E T
T H E P E O P L E C O M E !!!

They belong here more than we whites do.

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ShePrecedes 2 years, 2 months ago

If the child is born in this country, in this state, they should have aide and food.

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ivalueamerica 2 years, 2 months ago

Brownback misunderstood what the Bible meant when it said Suffer the children.

He thought it was his order to send children to bed without supper based on the sins of the father.

Brownback sucks.

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RonBurgandy 2 years, 2 months ago

Why don't some people see the problem with this? It's children that are affected, children that can't "go get a job."

Children that are US Citizens. Ridiculous.

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sunny 2 years, 2 months ago

Does the word 'Illegal" not mean anything to you people? Geez..

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ochocinco 2 years, 2 months ago

Operation Wetback 2.0 solves this problem before it begins. Begin rigorously enforcing immigration laws and the illegal goes home, poverty disappears, the market drives up wages for menial jobs and Americans CAN afford to do these jobs, and the "evil rich" begin paying more to have their lawns mowed and houses built with real American labor.

Eisenhower was the last real American president left when he defended American interests by ridding the nation of the termites from the south.

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tange 2 years, 2 months ago

So, this is what Kansas has become. Been said before; worth repeating...

Kansas-----------------------Greatness ^ sadly, you are here

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rockchalk1977 2 years, 2 months ago

"Illegal Alien Saved By Obama From Deportation Kills 15-Year-Old Girl Along With Two Others".

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/crime/mh-immigration-release-felon-20120123,0,6798531.story

This is why we need to round 'em up and move 'em out.

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observant 2 years, 2 months ago

You people simply don't understand brownies reasoning. He needs the savings for the Kochs next tax break.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 2 months ago

The "Poor" are eating the middle class alive.

In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitlement-america-head-household-making-minimum-wage-has-more-disposable-income-family-mak

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Bob_Keeshan 2 years, 2 months ago

The new SRS policy pretends non-citizen household members do not exist.

Under previous policy, utilized by 46 other states, household earnings were divided by the number of eligible citizens to determine income.

Now, SRS simply pretends the non-citizen household members do not exist. As stated in the Star article, a household earning $1,600/month with 2 citizen children is now treated as a two-person household earning $1,600/month.

Now there's a wonderful immigration policy -- just pretend the immigrants aren't real.

And yet the folks are lined up to support that lunacy. Dear Brownbackers -- your dear leader knows the names and addresses of illegal immigrants and he is doing nothing about it but trying to starve their children.

"My number one priority is ending child poverty" -- Sam Brownback

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verity 2 years, 2 months ago

I am not arguing one way or the other about the SNAP policy, but there seems to be a lot of misinformation being disseminated here about "illegals."

There are illegals who have been in the U.S. working at the same full time job for years. They are both brown and white. Their employers are paying them "over the table" so both employer and employee are paying the required taxes and the "illegals" will never see a penny of those taxes for social security, etc. Property taxes are being paid on their houses. The employers are frustrated because (1) even though the jobs are well paid and with good benefits, they rarely can find U. S. citizens to do them and when they have hired citizens the results have been disastrous and they have had to let them go, and (2) they have tried to get the employees legalized and are very frustrated with the system. Other than this the employers and employees are law abiding and upstanding members of the community. The jobs are ones that U.S. citizens apparently don't want to do or are incapable of doing.

Everybody (including the law) knows about this. They are welcomed in the community as equals. Their "anchor babies" are benefiting from the school system, but no doubt they will grow up to contribute more to the system than they take out, just as their parents are.

I have no idea of the percentage of illegals who are in this situation, but I don't think anybody knows how many people "are paid under the table" either. It certainly sounds good though to accuse many people of this.

In conclusion, any solution to this situation will have to take into consideration the people who are here full time and the migratory workers who are essential to our economy. I think the situation in Alabama last summer shows that. There is no way that we can export all illegals anyway. We need to come up with a sensible solution, not based on knee-jerk reactions to what in many cases isn't even fact.

The ethics of how we treat others has already been discussed, so I see no need to go into that.

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John McCoy 2 years, 2 months ago

Cutting food aid for children? You people are acting like Texans now. This is the kind of thing our Governor Rick Perry does. I would hope that you would be embarrassed.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 2 months ago

George Soros: Collapsing US Economy to Spark Street Violence

http://www.moneynews.com/Headline/Soros-US-Economy-Violence/2012/01/23/id/425096?s=al&promo_code=DFBB-1

Tea party violence?

Kansas needs to feed the tresspasers children to save us.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 2 months ago

Both Medicaid and foodstamps are paid for out of Federal funds. This will have no impact whatsoever on the state's own bottom line. This is a grandstand gesture and may very well be illegal.

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Agnostick 2 years, 2 months ago

Three truths, and I've mentioned these many times in the past.

1) Any immigration policy is only as good as the enforcement that backs it up. Whether or not we decide to offer humanitarian assistance, medical care, food assistance etc. can be haggled and bartered 'til the proverbial cows come home. But once we decide on something, enforcement of policy must be consistent, and it must be fair. This means that...

2) ... we must all agree to follow it. We can't just expect the "border patrol" to do everything. They're humans, they'll make mistakes, some illegals will get past them. When that happens, that means that employers need to turn them away at the employment desk, rather than hire "cheap labor" under the table. That means that vacant lots where illegal day laborers congregate must be patrolled, and when necessary, both the illegals and the drivers of the pickup trucks they climb into must be penalized. Meat processing plants, housing contractors, landscapers, sweatshops, and other businesses need to hire U.S. citizens, and be penalized heavily when they knowingly hire illegals. This also means that some of us need to start cleaning our own houses, instead of hiring the nice Guatemalan lady who does housecleaning for that family three doors down from us.

3) Because we don't have a history of strong, consistent enforcement, it will be difficult and painful, once we start. There may be a brief increase in crime--some people will go jobless, hungry, homeless. We may see a temporary rise in food prices.

How important is it to us, as a nation, to have a consistently-enforced immigration policy? The late congresswoman Barbara Jordan thought it very, very important.

We haven't had a consistently-enforced policy for at least three decades. We need to start.

http://bit.ly/ApXEUp

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kawrivercrow 2 years, 2 months ago

WAIT!! WTH is going on here?

We have been giving illegal immigrants a giant advantage in meeting food stamp requirements all along! We have only been counting 40% of their income, as compared to 100% of US citizen parents' income to get these benefits to begin with.

Unbelievable! Why isn't this in the LJW article. Are they deliberately being deceptive?

"Before the October change, the state did what Missouri and the vast majority of other states do: In households with ineligible members (including non-U.S. citizens), adjust the income for the reduced household size.

Under the old system, when Pedro’s family applied for benefits for his two U.S. children about a year ago, he was making $1,600 a month.

Kansas would use only a portion of that income (two-fifths, or $640) when determining whether the household was eligible for food stamps. (A family of five U.S. citizens earning $1,600 a month also would qualify.) Pedro said his daughters received $280 a month in food stamps.

Under the new policy, SRS doesn’t adjust the household income to account for the three non-citizen member. So while SRS counts the family’s full $1,600 income, it calculates food stamp eligibility as if the two citizen children were the only people in the household. At that income level, Pedro says he was told they don’t qualify."

Source: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/21/3384400/kansas-slashes-food-aid-for-children.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

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Stain 2 years, 2 months ago

I hate it when so-called Christians are in charge. The state becomes less Christian than ever.

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 2 months ago

Under our Constitution, children born in the United States are citizens of the United States, despite the status of their parents. See the 14th amendment.

Denying services to children of illegal immigrants, services that children of legal citizens receive, is a gross violation of the equal protection guaranteed by our Constitution.

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woodscolt 2 years, 2 months ago

Great, Blowsalot got a message from his god to starve children. Wonder how far a starving kid can walk. Probably not back to Mexico. Shooting people from helicopters to starving children and they think thats the christian way. I would like to hear how the republicans have justified this to the god they claim as their own. Republican party contiues its assault on people. Thats how they can maintain their anti-people platform.

Truly Amazing what manifests from the greed and hate republicans.

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Antonym 2 years, 2 months ago

SNAP ain't nothin' compared to medicaid payout. Will Sam go after that next?

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 2 months ago

Sorry to see the children starve, but it won't be long. Their freeloading parents will move to a state that does not have this law, thus opening jobs and services for those Kansans who are more deserving.

Lets go a step further, and cut off all welfare to those who are able to work. Send those folks to another state and watch our taxes go down!

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 2 months ago

So ol' Sam is going to go with the strategy that if he can't get rid of them any other way, he's going to starve them out. Believe me, treating people like they are kudzu isn't going to work.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 2 months ago

"Let's use a little common sense here. Many illegal immigrants are paid in cash, under the table." ==== Another good point. So are many politicians, but their payments are usually much larger.

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50YearResident 2 years, 2 months ago

The first and most important thing that needs to be changed is the Law that says "any child born in the United States is a citizen of United States. That law is the quickest and easiest way for illegals on any nationality or race to get a foothold inside the US to start the process of bringing the rest of the family over because one member is a citizen. Have any of you noticed the influx of pregnant women in their last month that come here illegaly? They are ariving, on foot, by car, in airplanes and any other way to get their baby born here for the citizenship benefits. Change that law! Children of illegals should remain illegal and that means no benefits designed for citizens.

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Phoenixman 2 years, 2 months ago

Alright secular atheist / agnostic progressives, time for you all to step up and provide for these children with personal donations and personal sacrifice. I know the lot of you would love to spend my tax dollars on your social issues, but are you willing to spend your own money and dedicate your own resources to resolve this issue on your own. Put up or shut up regarding the attacks on Christian charity. I want to see some secular progressive charity that doesn't involve public funds.

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kawrivercrow 2 years, 2 months ago

From the original article in the KC Star:

'SRS officials say the policy change, which is allowed under federal guidelines, is fair. The old formula gave households with illegal immigrants more benefits than some households with all U.S. citizens, said Angela de Rocha, SRS director of communications.

“Now, all households’ incomes are treated equally,” de Rocha said. “Prior to the policy change … U.S. citizens were being discriminated against.”

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/21/3384400/kansas-slashes-food-aid-for-children.html#storylink=cpy

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bd 2 years, 2 months ago

If they don't like it,,, go home or better still become legal!

Tea anyone???

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 2 months ago

"It's the natural consequence of having a system where we expect some laws to be followed and encourage other laws to be ignored." === Good points. Legislators love to pass laws; they just don't want to talk about their consequences, or how to fund them. The big boys work in a different sphere, trying to keep laws from getting passed, messing them up in the regulations phase, or trying to get ones off the books (environmental protections, for example) that are bad for "biddness." See ALEC, Americans for "Prosperity" and the good old boys from Wichita for some examples. Most laws have unintended consequences.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 2 months ago

Let's use a little common sense here. Many illegal immigrants are paid in cash, under the table. In that circumstance, determining household income, and by extension, eligibility for the food stamp program, would be very difficult. Add into that the fact that some in the household are eligible while others are not, and you have a system where it's going to be impossible to follow certain criteria and rules. Now, having put the state in a no win situation, we are all free to criticize them no matter what they do. They might cut off people who are eligible, give food stamps to those not eligible, who knows. It's the natural consequence of having a system where we expect some laws to be followed and encourage other laws to be ignored. You put people, organizations, governments in no win situations and then criticize them no matter what they do. Great little Catch-22 we have here.

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kernal 2 years, 2 months ago

Way to go Sam, I'm sure your latest plan will work really well to get Mexican illegals out of the U.S. and back to Mexico, aka Heaven on Earth. Pretty dang cold hearted, Buster.

On a local level, are these kids at least still able to participate in the schools breakfast programs and are those programs state wide?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 2 months ago

That's the ticket-- if we can get those dirty immigrants out any other way, we can starve their kids.

Republicans-- dontcha love their "compassionate conservatism?"

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Bob_Keeshan 2 years, 2 months ago

And yet the Brownback administration won't man up and simply deport the illegals. They are clearly aware of specific individuals who are here illegally, but they are not acting to remove them from the country.

Instead, they attempt to starve children.

And whaddya you know, they have supporters for this policy. Takes a real big person to turn a blind eye to the illegal immigrant and deny food to children instead.

As a reminder: "My top priority is to end child poverty" -- Sam Brownback

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usnsnp 2 years, 2 months ago

DRsmith, unless you are native american, your ancestors were legal or illegal imigrants their children benifited from the law that children born in the United States are citizens.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 2 months ago

Sounds like the illegal alien breeders are in the arena of child endangerment.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 2 months ago

Why do people have children they cannot afford...and Kansas is a terrible right wing state. Why do people that cannot afford to have children come here?

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Roland Gunslinger 2 years, 2 months ago

Countdown to Carrwatt and her racist anti-hispanic rant in 3... 2... 1...

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grammaddy 2 years, 2 months ago

What a "Christian" thing to do.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 2 months ago

"Suffer the little children?..." Sam's cult threw out the bible long ago; perhaps they kept this part.

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DRsmith 2 years, 2 months ago

Good..considering there are children whose parents are here legally going hungry. Maybe they will think twice about coming here illegally if they know everything isn't free.

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jackbinkelman 2 years, 2 months ago

"...eliminated or slashed food stamp benefits for hundreds of low-income, U.S.-born children... " Despicable..

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KS 2 years, 2 months ago

"Previously, SRS counted only a portion if one or more members did not provide proof of legal U.S. residency." You mean you have to show proof of citizenship? Hummm?

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