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Abortion ban to be proposed in Kansas House

State Reps. TerriLois Gregory, R-Baldwin City, and Connie O'Brien, R-Tonganoxie, are among 25 members of the Kansas House backing a measure introduced by pro-life group Personhood Kansas to outlaw abortion.

State Reps. TerriLois Gregory, R-Baldwin City, and Connie O'Brien, R-Tonganoxie, are among 25 members of the Kansas House backing a measure introduced by pro-life group Personhood Kansas to outlaw abortion.

January 13, 2012, 3:26 p.m. Updated January 13, 2012, 5:29 p.m.

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— Twenty-five Kansas House members, including TerriLois Gregory, Baldwin City, and Connie O’Brien, Tonganoxie, have agreed to sponsor a proposed "personhood" amendment to the state constitution to ban abortion and are close to introducing it, the leader of a group pursuing the measure said Friday.

Proponents of the measure face resistance from some fellow abortion opponents as well as abortion rights supporters. The measure in Kansas is similar to an abortion ban rejected last year by Mississippi voters, and Kansans for Life, the anti-abortion group with perhaps the most influence at the Statehouse, worries that a push for an immediate ban will backfire on the movement.

The proposal would amend the state constitution's Bill of Rights, to declare that Kansas guarantees "the inalienable rights" of every person, starting with fertilization of the human egg. The Personhood Kansas Committee, the Wichita-area group advocating the measure, sees it as a potential challenge to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court establishing a right to an abortion.

"We're at a point, 40 years into this, that there shouldn't be any confusion about what's in there, in the mother's womb," said committee Chairman Bruce Garren. "Maybe in 1973, we thought it was a blob of tissue."

Freshman Rep. Randy Garber, a Sabetha Republican, began circulating the proposal among his colleagues when legislators opened their session Monday. Garren said Friday that another two-dozen members had joined him and submitted the measure to the House, so that it could be introduced, probably next week.

Two-thirds majorities in both chambers would have to adopt the measure by two-thirds majorities for it to go to a statewide vote. Garber's proposal would put it on the ballot in the Aug. 7 primary, when approval by a simple majority of voters would add it to the constitution.

In Mississippi, nearly 55 percent of the voters in the state's November general election rejected the "personhood" ballot measure there. Colorado voters rejected similar proposals in 2008 and 2010.

Kari Ann Rinker, state coordinator for the Kansas chapter of the National Organization for Women, said the proposed amendment is the most extreme measure abortion opponents could pursue this year. She said it's broad enough to ban common forms of birth control and even fertility treatments.

"Legislators that sponsor and vote for personhood legislation should be prepared to stand with a class of very, very extreme religious zealots," she said. "These are zealots who stand in direct opposition to Kansas citizens' most basic elements of personal privacy and freedom."

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Phoenixman 2 years, 3 months ago

Conspiracy between DOJ and abortion provider?

Thankfully, a federal judge has ended Attorney General Eric Holder’s two-year political persecution of Florida pro-life educator Mary Susan Pine! Holder and the DOJ had sought to levy thousands of dollars in fines against Pine as well as get a permanent injunction banning her from continuing her faithful 20-year ministry outside an abortion clinic in West Palm Beach, Florida. But this scheme was thrown out of court and drew criticism from Federal Judge Kenneth L. Ryskamp, who concluded that the government lacked evidence to prove not just one, but “all three elements of its FACE (Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act) claim.”

The government’s decision to prosecute Pine despite having no evidence of wrongdoing prompted Judge Ryskamp to suspect a conspiracy at the highest level of the Obama Administration:

”The Court is at a loss as to why the government chose to prosecute this case in the first place. The Court can only wonder if this action was the result of a concerted effort between the Government and the [abortion clinic], which began well before the date of the incident at issue, to quell Ms. Pine’s activities…”

(From a source)

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

An afterthought. Has any one else noticed that 92% of the people who signed on for this bill are...oh yeah, MEN?

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oletimer 2 years, 3 months ago

How many days until brownback and his "buds" are gone? I can't wait much longer

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Agnostick 2 years, 3 months ago

Important clarification: The louder someone proclaims themselves to be "pro-lfie," the more likely they are to be, in reality, only "pro-birth."

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Newell_Post 2 years, 3 months ago

These people are attempting to defy the will of God, which actually required the temple priests to perform abortions in some situations. Under biblical law, the unborn fetus was not a person. It was considered property.

If you don't like it, talk to Moses. He wrote it. I didn't.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers%205&version=NASB

http://www.elroy.com/ehr/abort.html

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Ray Parker 2 years, 3 months ago

Shannon Dea, co-president of Planned Parenthood Waterloo Region, responded to a call by a Canadian member of parliament to have a debate on the humanity of the unborn child, saying: “Medical science is irrelevant to the question of when a fetus becomes a human being — that matter is a legal and philosophical one, not a medical one.” And deeming babies being mangled, dismembered, poisoned, and beheaded to be human, or possibly human, would cut down Planned Parenthood’s abortion mill profits. End of discussion, according to criminal, racist Planned Parenthood.


Jackie Burkle, 22, of Huxley, IA has been charged with two counts of first-degree murder after police found her dead newborn twin daughters in the trunk of her car, after she gave birth at home. The car was parked in front of her home, across the street from the police department. Burkle admitted to killing the girls on January 6, after they were born alive. She faces life in prison, and in view of safe haven laws, should be shown no mercy in criminal court.

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TinmanKC 2 years, 3 months ago

I will listen to pro-lifers when they also support the repeal of the death penalty and health coverage for ALL.

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its_just_math 2 years, 3 months ago

Well at least Tiller (upon the advice of a "second opinion") gave abortions for valid reasons......

"In the case file #3, Neuhaus diagnosed a 15-year-old as exhibiting “major depression, single episode.” The girl’s stated reasons for the late abortion were, “horses are my life and having kids would mess that up for barrel racing” and she couldn’t bear “not being able to continue riding in the rodeo.”

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2011/09/15/immature-mental-health-diagnosis-give-birth

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mrf 2 years, 3 months ago

There seems to be a lot of confusion about this bill and so many commenters are just focused on the part that outlaws abortion. Other commenters righteously state that there should be no need of abortion, we have birth control methods. What most people are missing about this law is that it also prohibits most popular forms of contraception including the pill, IUD, and the morning after pill. So whether you agree or not on abortion, if you or anyone you know use birth control, this bill would make that a crime. It takes away everyone's right to be responsible. That is why Mississippi rejected it.

Those 3 women and 22 men who sponsored this horrendous bill should be ashamed. I think a responsible task as citizens is to ask them about their preferrential birth control use. Since they have no problem with gov't getting into the bedrooms of all Kansans, I think we as state citizens should know if they use birth control and if so, what kinds. If that doesn't send them a message, than nothing will.

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voevoda 2 years, 3 months ago

When the state legislature is willing to make sure that women don't suffer harm because of pregnancies, then it might be in a position to require women to carry through with them. What would the state legislature need to do? 1) Guarantee free medical care for all women, including birth control and pregnancy care, and for any children born to them, up to age 18. 2) Provide tax credits for children sufficient to offset any financial hardship. Yes, that means retaining and greatly increasing the tax credit the governor wants to eliminate. 3) Guarantee paid maternity leave for women who give birth, and prohibit firing them or eliminating their positions because of pregnancy and childbirth. 4) Enforce stringently the obligation of fathers to provide for their offspring a full 1/2 of the cost of their support, regardless of the father's marital status, income level, or other financial responsibilities. Confiscate their property down to their home, car, and personal possessions if necessary. The same with mothers, especially non-custodial mothers. 5) Support medical research generously to a) reduce risks in pregnancy, including especially in older women and in women with chronic medical conditions; b) identify and correct inherited genetic defects; c) formulate a variety of safe and effective methods of preventing conception. 6) Provide inexpensive, high-quality, conveniently-located day care for pre-school children, including infants. If you don't think that the state government can or should do the above-listed, then you ought to agree that the state has no business dictating to women that they must carry all pregnancies to term.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 3 months ago

This makes sense. This dovetails with the elimination of the EITC.

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jaywalker 2 years, 3 months ago

Round and round we go. If only men gave birth. Then abortion would be a God-given right and we wouldn't have to hear about this nausea.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 3 months ago

This is all simply a matter of the fraudulant "christian" right wing facists wanting to beat their chests and bellow in the run up to the national election. Kansas voters have been flummoxed by these republican terrorists for years now, never mind that the real issues are revenue, jobs, health matters (not including rpression of health services to women) and a host of other real issues. But the incendeary nature, the head-line grabbing appeal of this matter to the brain dead and bucolic rural religious nut cases who voted them in is seen by these idiot fools that we have elected is imagined to be useful to their causes to run it up in the face of federal law, to grandstand on what great religious examples they are and a lot of other crap and baloney. I seriously doubt that any of this will accomplish anything except continue to convince the rest of the nation that the state of Kansas and it's theocratic governer and cronies is a wasteland of foolishness and throwback nitwits.

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JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 3 months ago

A cultural revolution of Taliban proportions is underway in this state. Another step in their giant leap backwards....

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Beth Ennis 2 years, 3 months ago

when is the religious right going to stop forcing their religion down everyone else's throat? Don't they know we were formed as a secular country for a reason??? Which religion are we going to pick to base our laws on. Christianity? Too broad--which one, Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, Mormon? Which one. Then, if we make abortion illegal, we need to make adultery illegal, and divorce illegal and then maybe multiple wives legal (not husbands mind you, there is no where in the bible where one woman had multiple husbands). Oh, I forgot, drinking, smoking and dancing would be illegal too if we based it off of what the Baptists believe. The Mormons don't believe in caffeine, so no pop, coffee or tea either. (wonder if chocolate is in that group?) Where does it stop? I am a Christian, but that is MY choice. No one forced me. God doesn't force us to believe in him and follow his wishes, why do these conservative religious types think they should be forcing God on everyone else? That is not what he wants. You can't have it both ways. If we could actually teach sex education, to include abstinence AND birth control, and then make birth control affordable and easy to obtain, the abortions could be safe, legal and very few and far between.

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deec 2 years, 3 months ago

Legalizing abortion did not substantially increase the number of abortions; it just made them safer. I have a book from the 1930's in which it is estimated that the number of abortions in the U.S. at that time was about a million. I have a magazine from the mid-1960s, in which the number of abortions is estimated to be about a million. Facts about abortion rates: • Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and about four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.[1] Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.[2]

• Forty percent of pregnancies among white women, 67% among blacks and 53% among Hispanics are unintended.[1] In 2008, 1.21 million abortions were performed, down from 1.31 million in 2000. However, between 2005 and 2008, the long-term decline in abortions stalled. From 1973 through 2008, nearly 50 million legal abortions occurred.[2]

• Each year, two percent of women aged 15–44 have an abortion. Half have had at least one previous abortion.[2,3]

• At least half of American women will experience an unintended pregnancy by age 45, and, at current rates, one in 10 women will have an abortion by age 20, one in four by age 30 and three in 10 by age 45.[4,5] http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

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sciencegeek 2 years, 3 months ago

Quit wasting the taxpayer's time. You got all kind of concessions on this issue the last session, so how about working on something PRACTICAL, like the budget and education and creating jobs?

Just outlaw abortion, birth control, homosexuality, sex outside of heterosexual marriage, and be done with it. Better yet, just have Sam put it in an executive order to save the legislature the time.

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Stain 2 years, 3 months ago

Connie O'Brien is the one who had to apologize for making negative remarks about someone she assumed was an illegal immigrant because of "the olive complexion". I hope her constituents are smart enough not to re-elect her.

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Stain 2 years, 3 months ago

I am so pleased that this measure is going to accompanied by legislation ensuring that every responsible impregnator has to support the whole thing for 18 years and 9 months, and not just with money, but with his time and presence. Oh wait, it's not true... ?

These burdens are NEVER shared equally. And I never hear the Republicans making one single reference to the fathers.

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Jeff Kilgore 2 years, 3 months ago

While I am pro-choice, several things irritate me about the whole issue. First of all, with every means of contraception available, pregnancy is 99% avoidable. Then, if the hard-line conservatives drop the price of RU-486, this whole issue would die away.

I sometimes believe that both liberals and conservatives keep this debate going just to keep some feeling of mutual hate alive.

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its_just_math 2 years, 3 months ago

"Tebow was born in Makati City in the Philippines, to American parents who were serving as Baptist missionaries at the time. His mother Pamela is the daughter of a U.S. Army colonel, and his father Robert is a pastor.[1][10][11][12][13][14] While pregnant, his mother suffered a life-threatening infection with a pathogenic amoeba. Because of the drugs used to rouse her from a coma and to treat her dysentery, the fetus experienced a severe placental abruption. Doctors had expected a stillbirth and recommended an abortion to protect her life,[1] although abortions are illegal in the Philippines, but she decided not to have one."

Pro-abortion zealots are a bummer.

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Jimo 2 years, 3 months ago

Cause the first thing every woman wants to face after returning from the doctor after a miscarriage are two nosy policemen to start a potential murder investigation!

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woodscolt 2 years, 3 months ago

First there was a coupe to take over the republican party and then under the guise of the republican party there was a coupe to take over our country and then a coupe to take back our country became necessary. The time is long since passed to to take back america. The republican party platform more resembles that of the westboro baptist church than that of the real republicans (moderates) who still have their platform grounded to mother earth and the American people, agree with them or not. Call it like it is: the republican party = the alexican party= the for profit only perpetrators of the coupe: The few, the greedy, the powerful, the verrrrrrry rich getting richer at the expense of the Joe plumbers.

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Jan Rolls 2 years, 3 months ago

Let's list the names and addresses of these 25 idiots so when the babies are born we can drop them off that their houses so they can take care of them.

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Centerville 2 years, 3 months ago

Merrill makes a good point: it's up to you (not your government) to prevent your own unwanted pregnancy. And, I'll remind you that our former governor pronounced that there's no such thing as statutory rape - it's just "Romeo and Juliet".

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rooster 2 years, 3 months ago

I'm glad our state budget has the ability to fight this in a federal court for the next 3 years.

I truly think this is a good thing for Kansas because despite our conservative population, once we become tangled in a huge financial/ legal mess we will most likely get fed up with our ultra conservative legislators/ governor and reject them in subsequent elections. Remember we have a history of electing moderates and even democrats in Kansas.

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lilygrace 2 years, 3 months ago

What is the obsession that Republicans have with all things sexual? If they could they would set up shop in every woman's uterus to monitor and control the action. If they're not worried about what women do with their own bodies then they fret over homosexuality. Republican's like to say reduce big government and regulations but they are the most intrusive group of "regulators" I've ever seen.

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weiser 2 years, 3 months ago

I have yet to meet a woman who has had an abortion that didn't regret it for the rest of their lives.

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Centerville 2 years, 3 months ago

But abortion has been so good for Kansas! Why, otherwise, Sibileus would still be fetching coffee for the trial lawyers.

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Armored_One 2 years, 3 months ago

So will there be a ban on naturally occuring pregnancy halting products, like ruda, which has been used in the Caribbean for several centuries by santeras, priestesses of santeria?

This website directly states what herbs to use to induce a miscarriage. http://www.orgonelab.org/contracep.htm

Restrict abortion to 18 and older, with the usual exemptions of rape and incest. Under 18, the infant is immediately placed into foster care and made available for adoption.

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Gandalf 2 years, 3 months ago

I wonder what form of birth control Mrs. brownback uses? EviLsam avoidence?

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kujayhawk7476 2 years, 3 months ago

This proposed law will be ruled unconstitutional. With all of the other problems this state faces why do we continuously waste time in the legistalure on this issue. Throw the bums out who keep this issue in front of us!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

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KS 2 years, 3 months ago

Great idea! It is about time.

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irvan moore 2 years, 3 months ago

we are leaving out one very important point, these idiots are going to be wasting a lot of our legisative time and money

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 3 months ago

Now once this abortion issues takes center stage for the one millionth time what on earth will Governor Sam Brownback and his out of state cronies be doing to us while the spotlight is on the hot issue of abortion?

Grab your wallets!!! Governor Sam Brownback is not a friend to consumers,the unemployed or the common taxpayer. There can never be enough eyes on Gov Sam Brownback and his ALEC agenda.

Gov Sam Brownback will be busy with his ALEC buddies and their special interest money going after republicans who do not blindly support the Brownback/ALEC agenda.

Voters across the state need to very aware that Gov Sam Brownback is behind this covert operation of replacing the Kansas republican party with his radical brand of politics. Gov Sam Brownback is not a republican.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 3 months ago

Abortions cannot be necessary until after a pregnancy is on the table. So what exactly is Gov Brownback and his busy bodies doing to prevent pregnancy? Nothing!!! Why you ask? Because they don't know how and they frown on education = promoting ignorance.

How do they intend to take control of wild sperm?

Planned Parenthood prevents abortions:

Birth control allows us to prevent pregnancy and plan the timing of pregnancy. Need birth control? * My Method * Compare Effectiveness of Birth Control Options * Abstinence * Birth Control Implant (Implanon) * Birth Control Patch (Ortho Evra) * Birth Control Pills * Birth Control Shot (Depo-Provera) * Birth Control Sponge (Today Sponge) * Birth Control Vaginal Ring (NuvaRing) * Breastfeeding as Birth Control * Cervical Cap (FemCap) * Condom * Diaphragm * Female Condom * Fertility Awareness-Based Methods (FAMs) * IUD * Morning-After Pill (Emergency Contraception) * Outercourse * Spermicide * Sterilization for Women * Vasectomy * Withdrawal (Pull Out Method) http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control-4211.htm

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beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

So will this mean that Planned Parenthood won't have to change the size of their janitor's closet after all?

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blindrabbit 2 years, 3 months ago

I like the Kansas, Mississippi connection! Mississippi has Haley Barber, Kansas has, you know! Makes the Kansas slide to insignificance and ignorance faster!

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ivalueamerica 2 years, 3 months ago

Judeo Christian Shahira Law.

The Kansas Taliban is at it again.

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Jack McEnaney 2 years, 3 months ago

Shouldn't we then err on the side of caution? Think about how much has changed in the past forty years or so with respect to abortion and what we know about it. How much have we learned from sonograms in that time? It was believed in the good ol days that the "zygotes" didn't feel a thing, they weren't even really alive. Now there have been many people who assisted in abortion who say that when you watch the sonogram of an abortion being performed you can see the zygote fighting for their life trying to escape. This makes me think that for some reason we haven't learned everything yet. Isn't that what scientists are called to do? Learn as much as they can? And until you can prove that no such life exists should we really be eliminating creatures that have heartbeats, hiccups, and depend on us now, just as we will depend on them in fifty years?

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voevoda 2 years, 3 months ago

There are serious moral issues with abortion, but not everything that is immoral ought to be illegal. Most of the things that are prohibited in the Ten Commandments are not illegal--nor should they be. For hundreds of years, Christian theologians have debated when human life starts, how to categorize willful termination of a pregnancy, or what penalty, if any, should be imposed in cases of abortion. Even now, deeply pious Christians (and persons of other faiths) disagree on these points. Why should the Kansas state legislature seek to impose an opinion held by some but far from all citizens on every woman in the state?

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Armored_One 2 years, 3 months ago

And the continued expansion of the American Theocracy Movement pushes just a tad bit further.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 3 months ago

Are these politicians nuts? Who wants a bunch of humans around that Liberal mothers don't want?

btw Florida will fine you $10,000 for walking through grass on the beach. They do not want you to smash turtle eggs..... Eggs. Now how do these Liberal Florida politicians know these zygotes are going to be turtles?

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rockchalk1977 2 years, 3 months ago

Sounds like a potential victory for the unborn. If liberals don't like it, it must be great news!

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 3 months ago

a bit more Brownback...

The Koch Brothers, big tobacco, insurance companies, and the drug industry: all behind the shadowy corporate front group known as the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

On the surface, ALEC is mostly comprised of thousands of state legislators, each paying a nominal fee to attend ALEC retreats and receive model legislation.

In fact, public sector membership dues account for only around one percent of ALEC’s annual revenues. ALEC's pro-corporate, anti-consumer mission is clear.

Few have ever heard of it, but the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC, is the ultimate smoke filled back room.

On the surface, ALEC’s membership is mostly comprised of thousands of state legislators. Each pays a nominal membership fee in order to attend ALEC retreats and receive model legislation. ALEC’s corporate contributors, on the other hand, pay a king’s ransom to gain access to legislators and distribute their corporate-crafted legislation.

So, while the membership appears to be public sector, the bankroll is almost entirely private sector. In fact, public sector membership dues account for only around one percent of ALEC’s annual revenues. ALEC claims to be nonpartisan, but in fact its free-market, pro-business mission is clear.

The result has been a consistent pipeline of special interest legislation being funneled into state capitols. Thanks to ALEC, 826 bills were introduced in the states in 2009 and 115 were enacted into law.

Behind the scenes at ALEC, the nuts and bolts of lobbying and crafting legislation is done by large corporate defense firm Shook, Hardy & Bacon. A law firm with strong ties to the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries, it has long used ALEC’s ability to get a wide swath of state laws enacted to further the interests of its corporate clients.

ALEC’s campaigns and model legislation have run the gamut of issues, but all have either protected or promoted a corporate revenue stream, often at the expense of consumers. For example, ALEC has worked on behalf of:

  • Oil companies to undermine climate change proponents;
  • Pharmaceutical manufacturers, arguing that states should be banned from importing prescription drugs;
  • Telecom firms to block local authorities from offering cheap or free municipally-owned broadband;
  • Insurance companies to prevent state insurance commissioners from requiring insurers to meet strengthened accounting and auditing rules;
  • Big banks, recommending that seniors be forced to give up their homes via reverse mortgages in order to receive Medicaid;
  • The asbestos industry, trying to shut the courthouse door to Americans suffering from mesothelioma and other asbestos-related diseases; and,
  • Enron to deregulate the utility industries, which eventually caused the U.S. to lose what the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) estimated as $5 trillion in market value.

http://www.justice.org/cps/rde//justice/hs.xsl/15044.htm

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 3 months ago

Other Brownback...

Gov Sam Brownback is not telling Kansas Ciitizens aka leaving out certain details:

His income tax cut/tax cuts = a state wide tax increase = local taxes need to increase in order to make up the loss.

Hundreds of state legislators from all 50 states have gathered in New Orleans for the annual meeting of the American Legislative Exchange Council, known as ALEC.

Critics say the Washington-based organization plays a key role in helping corporations secretly draft model pro-business legislation that has been used by state lawmakers across the country.

Unlike many other organizations, ALEC’s membership includes both state lawmakers and corporate executives who gather behind closed doors to discuss and vote on model legislation.

In recent months, ALEC has come under increasing scrutiny for its role in drafting bills to: attack workers’ rights roll back environmental regulations privatize education funded with our tax dollars deregulate major industries * passing voter ID laws.

Nonetheless, this year’s annual ALEC meeting boasts the largest attendance in five years, with nearly 2,000 guests in attendance. Center for Media and Democracy organization released 800 model bills approved by companies and lawmakers at recent ALEC meetings.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/5/secretive_corporate_legislative_group_alec_holds

Center for Media and Democracy released 800 model bills, legislation that is straight out of the corporate playbook and drafted by the American Legislative Exchange Council.

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hmmm2 2 years, 3 months ago

But you had that baby. And your baby can smile and embrace you. You will have an event after pregnancy make it one you can live with.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 3 months ago

Jobs are not on the agenda ............ simply Brownback!

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LadyJ 2 years, 3 months ago

Notice they have no plan for making sure the father is equally responsible for the baby. I never got a dime of child support out of my loser ex. The system can be manipulated. Someone once told me that in their country there is no such thing as a baby without a father. By law, every baby must have a father on record. But hey, Missouri is just a short ride away.

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

We can only begin to educate the public about the brutal violation of human rights that is abortion on demand if we present laws to counter it. This is democracy at work and a fair compromise will result in fewer abortions taking place in Kansas--that is a good thing--good work legislators!

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consumer1 2 years, 3 months ago

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

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RuralWanderer 2 years, 3 months ago

Yes. I would like to see the list of 25 legislators to thank them for supporting this measure. I'll never figure out why liberals would support protecting baby owls, but not human babies. Strange.

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2 years, 3 months ago

somehow i get the feeling this is merely a red herring to keep the libs busy with something else so that brownback can slide in something nasty while they're not looking...

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alm77 2 years, 3 months ago

It didn't pass in MISSISSIPPI; it's not going to in Kansas.

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overplayedhistory 2 years, 3 months ago

Government only in your pants, body, or bed. I am curious if it passes, if the Feds will intervene as they have with medical marijuana. what would be left for Operation rescue to do? Kidnap pregnant women from waiting rooms in neighboring states and hold them captive in Kansas?

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1htmama 2 years, 3 months ago

There are some times that abortion should be allowed. It should not be allowed to be used as a type of birth control which is what a lot of women use it for. If you are adult enough to have sex then either use birth control of some type or don't have sex. Be responsible for your actions and face the results.

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Agnostick 2 years, 3 months ago

This also gives us a rough draft of the legislative calendar for the months ahead...

Days 1-20 Abortion-related legislation

Days 21-40 (Anti-)Gay Rights legislation

Days 41-60 Defense of Marriage and related legislation

Days 61-89 Various other social-engineering legislation, including (but not limited to): minimization of science in all public school, revision of history, alcohol sales and consumption, sex education, birth control, skirt length, hair length, rap music, rock music, metal music, loudness of car speakers

Day 90 -- Special Agenda

0600-0845 Special Celebratory Breakfast, all legislators and staff

0900-1145 Prayer Service (attendance mandatory)

1200-1345 Celebratory Luncheon and Awards Ceremony, all legislators and staff

1400-1745 Final Report and Presentation on Governor's Prominence in Social Media Sherriene Jones-Sontag (those unable to attend can follow Twitter tag #heblowsalot)

1800-2245 Celebratory Cocktail Hour and Dinner, all legislators and staff

2300 (sharp) Final Session

 2300-2329 School Finance

 2330-2349  State Budget

 2350-2358 Exploratory Committees on Employment and Job Growth

 2359  Sine Die
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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

LOL! This ranks up there with the guy in Georgia who wanted to make every case of abnormal vaginal bleeding a "crime scene". Look guys, Mississippi tried it last fall and got their rears handed to them. I suggest you try some other way. Your TRAP laws are doing a good job, aren't they?

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defenestrator 2 years, 3 months ago

Here we go: http://www.personhoodkansas.com/events Hmmm......mostly white men wanting to control things that are none of their business.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 3 months ago

Please give us the names of the 25 buffoons. Thanks in advance.

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defenestrator 2 years, 3 months ago

Who are the 25 House members? Their names should have been the first sentence in this story.

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observant 2 years, 3 months ago

Wasn't this same "STUPID" law just attempted to be passed and was voted down in Mississippi? Do these right wing nutcase legislators truly believe Kansans are stupider than the people of MS who voted this down by a big margin?

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beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

This is why the right to an abortion is a federal issue. States can't just make random stuff up and expect it to actually become law. It is pandering to the base, pure and simple. And the fight between the state and the feds will spend millions of everyone's tax dollars. Nice.

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Agnostick 2 years, 3 months ago

This will never hold up in court.

One of many unintended consequences: The stereotypical "welfare mom" will become eligible for monthly benefits covering an additional child, the moment a doctor certifies that she is pregnant. Since the usual right-wing extremists that are pro-birth are also anti-welfare, this will be akin to chopping off their own feet to avoid the excessive cost of footwear. These folks are all about common sense, after all. ;)

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Pastor_Bedtime 2 years, 3 months ago

The Christian nanny-state government knows what's best for all. Next they'll be outlawing contraception, and mandating bible study for all.

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Kim Murphree 2 years, 3 months ago

Oh my gosh...women's rights have just taken a giant step backwards....you know, its fine if YOU believe that abortion is wrong...that's your right...don't get one...but a woman should not become a slave of the state/society the moment she becomes pregnant. Rape, incest, those victims should NOT be forced to bear that child. Constitutionally? The most immediate form of Private Property is your own body...it belongs to you under civil law....Separation of Church and state? If your belief system says you should never have an abortion...then follow it, with great blessings, but no one should be forced to follow another person's belief system. Your beliefs do not negate a woman's right to decide about her own body. When did women suddenly become chattel again? When did we lose our individual rights? Why would other women want to take rights away from women??? Stop this insanity. Let women make their own choices about their own families...they are the ones that take the risk in birth...and by the way, KANSAS is terrible with prenatal care and the health of mothers through birth!

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gccs14r 2 years, 3 months ago

And all the fertilized eggs that fail to implant in the uterine wall for natural reasons, what of them? Is there going to be a state agency that collects and analyzes used feminine hygiene products to determine if this took place and update the state's death statistics accordingly? Will there be tiny funerals for these single cells?

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