Archive for Wednesday, January 4, 2012

Expert sees Kansas recovering from Boeing decision

January 4, 2012


— A Wichita State University official who follows the aviation industry sees Boeing's planned closing of its defense plant in the city as more of a psychological blow than an economic one.

Jeremy Hill directs the Center for Economic Development and Business Research at Wichita State. Hill said Wednesday there's likely to be a short-term dip in consumer confidence in the area.

But he also says the area's economy can probably provide jobs for the 2,160 workers who will be laid off by the time the Boeing plant closes at the end of 2013.

Hill said there's growth in commercial aviation, and most of the workers are likely to stay in the Wichita area. He also said local officials also can market Boeing's facilities for other companies.


Fossick 6 years, 3 months ago

No, no, he needs to blame Brownback or Obama. Nothing is allowed to happen that is not a) unrecoverable, and b) the fault of a politician in the other party.

Bob Forer 6 years, 3 months ago

Go ahead and jump on the cheerleading bandwagon, Fossick. Mr. Hill has a mere bachelor's degree, is new to the State, and at age 36, is still a young pup. His previous employement was as director for the Coastal Rivers Water Planning and Policy Center at Georgia Southern University, which provides leadership in the design and implementation of policies affecting the use of water resources in the region.

Part of Mr. Hill's job is to sugarcoat bad news. He is hardly an economic expert of note.

As for me, I will stick with my instincts, and they tell me this isn't good news.

Bob Forer 6 years, 3 months ago

P.S. What else do we expect from Mr. Hill. This happened on his watch, and I would presume that as director of the Center for Economic Development and Business Research at Wichita State, one of his job responsibilities is to help maintain the economic vitality of Wichita.

Do you expect him to say " this is bad news. My bad"?

FlawontheKaw 6 years, 3 months ago

Agreed. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Fossick 6 years, 3 months ago

Of course it's not good news, which makes it imperative that someone be blamed. You must be new here.

Actually, what annoys me is not the knee-jerk blame game, but the sycophantic (if you'll pardon my taking of your name in vain) game-playing by politicians. Yeah, it sucks that Boeing is leaving, but it's embarrassing to watch all these Republicans kissing corporate ampersands and 'moving mountains' on their behalf.

Frankly, I hope that reduced military spending becomes the order of the day - I'd like to see it cut in half. Sucks that people will lose their jobs, but it's not like they have plenty of time to prepare.

Bob Forer 6 years, 3 months ago

Sorry, Fos, I misinterpreted your comment. And like you, I would love to see military spending drop. But I am afraid that is not the case. In 2008 military spending was 4.31 per cent of GNP. In 2009 in increased to 4.71 per cent. Source:

The loss of Boeing had nothing to do with a falsely alleged decrease in military spending.

Alceste 6 years, 3 months ago

....and those statistics do NOT include the money spent AFTER the fact: DoD and Armed Forces pensions, health care benefits, VA expenses, and on and on and on.....

Katara 6 years, 3 months ago

Fossick (anonymous) replies… "Sucks that people will lose their jobs, but it's not like they have plenty of time to prepare. "

Not that it makes the job loss more acceptable but you are correct on that. These workers have advance notice that many do not get and hopefully they will put that time to good use securing new (and hopefully better) employment.

WilburM 6 years, 3 months ago

Scarcely "just" 2160 jobs. What about suppliers, service firms, and all the consumer firms that will suffer. This seems a lot like whistling past the graveyard.

The_Twelve 6 years, 3 months ago

The area "can probably" provide jobs....just like it has provided me a job: PT, minimum wage, horrible hours. Maybe Boeing officials didn't exactly get their way on Sam's secret tax committee. And I guess we shouldn't listen to what his "jobs creation" committee has to say, since Boeing officials were sitting in on that one, too. More like: talk to Boeing if you want to lose jobs! But....Sam and the other Rep legislators will bow down to this economic blackmail and find a way to cut a nice, tax-relieving deal that will cost the rest of us millions for decades. What does this mean for KU's AE program??? What spin will King Sam put on this?

frank mcguinness 6 years, 3 months ago

2160 jobs making a FRACTION of what Boeing pays and without benefits.

Sunny Parker 6 years, 3 months ago exactly is this Sams fault?

JayhawkFan1985 6 years, 3 months ago

Sam took credit for mars coming to Topeka. If he deserves credit for that, then he deserves blame for this. In fairness, I don't believe credit or blame should be heaped on him for either companies business decisions.

guess_again 6 years, 3 months ago

A list of recent tax give-aways to Boeing from the state legislature. This included allowing Boeing to keep the state taxes paid by all of its employees:

Fossick 6 years, 3 months ago

Fort Scott Community College (a little juco in SEK that you've never heard of) has a special program, sponsored by John Deere, that trains John Deere mechanics*. The building in which they study and train is done up all in John Deere green, just north of P-burg on US-69. It's a little thing, but it's a good thing.

  • they also have one that trains Harley mechanics. WIN! You can never have too many Harley mechanics.

imastinker 6 years, 3 months ago

Last I heard, Spirit Aero Systems is completely swamped in Wichita and completely unable to handle it's orders from Boeing for fuselages on 737's. They are looking to expand into another facility and their orders have more than doubled in the last year - to nearly 2 per day! Boeing may have pulled out, but the work is still there.

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