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NYPD monitored Muslim students all over Northeast

February 19, 2012


NEW YORK — The New York Police Department monitored Muslim college students far more broadly than previously known, at schools far beyond the city limits, including the Ivy League colleges of Yale and the University of Pennsylvania, The Associated Press has learned.

Police talked with local authorities about professors 300 miles away in Buffalo and even sent an undercover agent on a whitewater rafting trip, where he recorded students’ names and noted in police intelligence files how many times they prayed.

Detectives trawled Muslim student websites every day and, although professors and students had not been accused of any wrongdoing, their names were recorded in reports prepared for Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.

Asked about the monitoring, police spokesman Paul Browne provided a list of 12 people arrested or convicted on terrorism charges in the United States and abroad who had once been members of Muslim student associations, which the NYPD referred to as MSAs. Jesse Morton, who this month pleaded guilty to posting online threats against the creators of “South Park,” had once tried to recruit followers at Stony Brook University on Long Island, Browne said.

“As a result, the NYPD deemed it prudent to get a better handle on what was occurring at MSAs,” Browne said in an email. He said police monitored student websites and collected publicly available information, but did so only between 2006 and 2007.

“I see a violation of civil rights here,” said Tanweer Haq, chaplain of the Muslim Student Association at Syracuse University. “Nobody wants to be on the list of the FBI or the NYPD or whatever. Muslim students want to have their own lives, their own privacy and enjoy the same freedoms and opportunities that everybody else has.”

In recent months, the AP has revealed secret programs the NYPD, built with help from the CIA, to monitor Muslims at the places where they eat, shop and worship. The AP also published details about how police placed undercover officers at Muslim student associations in colleges within the city limits; this revelation has outraged faculty and student groups.

Though the NYPD says it follows the same rules as the FBI, some of the NYPD’s activities go beyond what the FBI is allowed to do.

Kelly and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg repeatedly have said that the police only follow legitimate leads about suspected criminal activity.


UNIKU 6 years, 1 month ago

I got no problem with this and neither would the majority of people in the US...and it has nothing to do with racism...if Irish Catholics or German Protestants were doing terrorist acts I say we monitor their butts too...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

This makes as much sense as monitoring everyone whose name begins with the letters A, M or Q.

RogueThrill 6 years, 1 month ago

You mean Irish Catholics like those in the IRA or German Protestants in the American Neo-Nazis? Or American Christians in separatist organizations?

So, if the DHS came out with a report you wouldn't bitch until it was withdrawn (like in 2009)?

RogueThrill 6 years, 1 month ago

You are everything that is wrong with this country.

Liberty275 6 years, 1 month ago

All the white folks need to be subject to illegal surveillance since that whack-job liberal threatened big Sam and that other nutball showed up with bombs at the statehouse. Also, whites were guilty of killing women and children in OK City.

jafs 6 years, 1 month ago

That's really not true.

I don't break the laws, but I would find it unacceptable to be under surveillance unless the entities involved had probable cause and warrants.

Liberty275 6 years, 1 month ago

I'm sure you are as spotless as the freshly driven snow. But how about that buddy you know from work that's a little racist, not much, just enough to say the word now and then. You go visit the guy who is otherwise a good guy with a kid he likes to target practice with. You, being a nice guy, decid to loan your friend your AR15 so the kid can pop off some .223s. What you don't know is that your friend target practices once a month with some buddies that look like a militia. Because it is a militia.

All the FBI sees at his house is you carrying in what could potentially be a full auto M16. So they decide to watch you because they suspect you are selling guns to this militia. Sure, you are innocent, but what are you going to do when you recognize the same two guys around all day? Do you confront them? Or do you just live in fear?

Joseph Jarvis 6 years, 1 month ago

@UNIKU: The Fourth Amendment called... it wants your citizenship back.

jafs 6 years, 1 month ago

Not if the "potential" is determined unreasonably.

skinny 6 years, 1 month ago

I have no problem with it either! This a free country!! Get used to it!

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

Who exactly is stopping you from practicing your faith ... or making note of how often you do so?

Flap Doodle 6 years, 1 month ago

Try reading the Jawa report for a couple of months & see if you attitude changes.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Perhaps all muslims and anyone who looks kinda Arab/swarthylike should be put into internment camps. Would you go for that, Jane?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

There have been thousands of crimes committed by people named Jane. Therefore, I think you should be investigated.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Ah, the hollow refrain often heard from those who think a police state would be a good idea.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

What does your ignorance of recent history have to do with putting American citizens under surveillance without probable cause? (and being Muslim is no more probable cause than having the name Jane.)

Oh, my bad, willful ignorance often leads to wingnuttery.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

There's a difference between calling your positions for what they are and personal attack.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

It's always so entertaining when folks try to lecture, but can't do any better than spit out frustrated petulance.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Does that mean you aren't interested in facts any more?

kawrivercrow 6 years, 1 month ago

Re: "Perhaps all blah blah blah...."

Got any more histrionic gibberish? I need a few strawmen for the garden.

Liberty275 6 years, 1 month ago

I monitor the girls on FNC. Some of them are pretty hot. And all the left got was janet reno..

jafs 6 years, 1 month ago

Well, they "monitored" them, sometimes by putting undercover officers in their places of gathering and worship.

It'll be interesting to see what our legal system concludes.

Would you feel that your rights had been violated if you were monitored in a similar fashion, based solely on your being a woman?

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

Or worked in the Murrah building. Guess we better start monitoring white males.

ivalueamerica 6 years, 1 month ago

The same patriotic Americans who support this are using the same mindset of McCarthy, Jim Crowe, Japanes internment, and a host of other similar issues that blacken the history of our country.

They feel the need to bypass, spit on and tear apart the constitution whenever they feel it gets in the way.

Those traitors within are equally dangerous as traitors abroad.

And I never heard these same people wanting to keep white blue collar people segregated an under scrutiny after Tim McVeigh, David Koresh, and a whole host of home bread terrorist killed.

ivalueamerica 6 years, 1 month ago

I guess Oklahoma City means little to you then. Or the Killing of Dr. Tiller Branch Davidians, Atlanta Olympic Bombing Lambs of Christ, KKK New Nazi groups?

ivalueamerica 6 years, 1 month ago

my point is when it is an issue you disagree with, especially from a foreign country, for example Islam and mideast tradition, you are fine violating our Constitution, but if it were against you and people like you, it would be unforgiveable.

When a latino group has a latino festival, they are racially segrigating and attacking America,

But octoberfest, not so much.

Just wanted you to know, I noticed that in you and felt it should be pointed out. That is my point.

jaywalker 6 years, 1 month ago

"And I never heard these same people wanting to keep white blue collar people segregated an under scrutiny after Tim McVeigh, David Koresh, and a whole host of home bread terrorist killed."

Uh huh. Those two are comparable.

Seek help.

Liberty275 6 years, 1 month ago

"a host of other similar issues that blacken the history of our country."

You mean Reno's antics, right? She could have chosen more restraint against obviously insane people merely to prevent the deaths of women and children, but she didn't.

juma 6 years, 1 month ago

Monitoring the enemy is the only hope of winning. Moslems are at war with ALL non moslems. Wake up America, and all you liberal ignorant lovechildren. Go live in the moslem world for a few months/years and then lets talk. Islam has one, and only one, desire; totally, absolute control. It is the mantra five times a day. Please wake up to the reality of the situation.

Katara 6 years, 1 month ago

I'm not bothered by the monitoring of radical elements either but I don't consider Muslims to be radical elements.

goodcountrypeople 6 years, 1 month ago

The NYPD conducts discriminatory "stop and frisk" operations aimed at Blacks and Latinos too. They are being investigated for misconduct on several fronts.

50YearResident 6 years, 1 month ago

Those that destroy Trade Centers get monitered, plain and simple.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Umm, those who destroyed the Trade Centers pretty much all died in the attack. The rest of them have been hiding out in Afghanistan and Pakistan-- not that you're ever too much concerned with anything like facts.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Facts? All you're doing is exercising your paranoia and xenophobia.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Have you been living under a rock that last decade or so?

Katara 6 years, 1 month ago



There is more on the same website under the title of "Havens for Terrorism".

oldvet 6 years, 1 month ago

Facts! Bozo don't need no stinking facts!

Katara 6 years, 1 month ago

I am disappointed that you didn't read the articles or check out the website further. It has very useful info.

As for all? There are a lot in Pakistan and Afghanistan. There are also radical Muslim terrorists in Somalia, the Philippines, the Sudan, Chechnya, Slovenia and more.

Do I think that radical Muslim terrorists are normally hanging out in student groups and going whitewater rafting?

Certainly not enough to warrant monitoring all Muslims in NYC.

jafs 6 years, 1 month ago

Of course she didn't.

After her call for "facts", she then proceeded to ignore them once provided.

This is way too common these days - I suppose it's a kind of denial.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Whether you or I have facts is somewhat irrelevant. Those who needs facts are those who need them in order to establish probable cause.

But you're of the opinion that no probable cause need be established. Bigotry, xenophobia and a declaration of guilt by religious affiliation are enough for you.

dozer 6 years, 1 month ago

I'm sending the NYPD a friend request so we can be facebook friends!

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

I am sure plenty of people 60 years ago argued that it was absolutely the right thing to do to lock up all the Japanese Americans. I mean, it was for everyone's safety and better safe than sorry, right? They bombed Pearl Harbor, after all, so fool us once, shame on us ...

KSWingman 6 years, 1 month ago


I don't think any Japanese-Americans were locked up in 1952 (60 years ago), except for those who were arrested or convicted of crimes. The US did not intern the Japanese during the Korean War.

However, exactly 70 years ago today, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066, authorizing the creation of exclusion zones within the United States and authorizing the internment or forced relocation from those zones of citizens and resident aliens thought to be sympathetic to the Axis powers.

Japanese Americans were not the only ethnic group interned. Smaller numbers of Americans and resident aliens of German, Italian, and Korean ethnicity were also placed in camps.

And, "all" of the Japanese Americans were not interned. About 120,000 Japanese and Japanese-Americans, or 37% of the US population of those groups, were placed in internment camps.

But I agree with the principle of your statement, that FDR and a lot of other people, in and out of government, thought internment was a good idea.

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

Obviously, an exact count back from today of sixty years ago wasn't when we were locking Japanese Americans up. Geez -- pedantic much?

Thanks for completely failing to miss the point.

KSWingman 6 years, 1 month ago

If it was "obviously" 70 years and not 60 years, why did you say it was 60?

Ten years makes a big difference, in all kinds of ways. Would you allow your 13 year old daughter to go on a date with a 23 year old man? Would you eat a 10 year old Twinkie?

I think what's obvious is your inability to say "Oops, sorry. My bad".

And I definitely failed to miss the point. You may want to think about that for a minute.

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

No, Democrats did not nuke Japanese Americans.

jafs 6 years, 1 month ago

The above rant only shows that even in Canada, there are unreasonable people.

It would take too long to refute all of the particulars, but I'll do just a few of the first ones - we are not in fact "fighting a war on terror". And we were attacked not "by Islamic people", but by a small number of radical extreme Islamic people.

Finally, the fact that about 3,000 people were killed doesn't justify much of the rest of the post, unless you want to have us lower ourselves to the same level as terrorists, which most Americans don't want to do, as far as I can tell.

It's always odd to me that people are unaware of how many more innocent people have been killed in various operations of the US over the years.

jafs 6 years, 1 month ago

Because it's impossible - war is by it's very nature a terrible, terror-filled activity. So war leads to terror, thus we can't be fighting wars against terror.

Really? How long is a very long time to you? Seems like about 10 years to me - wars in the Middle East have been going on for much longer, to name only one example.

I'm bothered, of course, that there are those who would attack us, but I don't think we should lower our standards because of it, and act as they act. In fact, I think we should examine our actions around the world, and clean up our own act, so that we're not creating enemies.

The fact that 3,000 Americans were killed doesn't justify "not caring" about a long laundry list of other concerns.

50YearResident 6 years, 1 month ago

So, your reaction to terror attacks is to do nothing, except, turn the other cheek?

jafs 6 years, 1 month ago

I wonder how on earth you got that from my posts.

I think we should defend ourselves against attacks by anybody - in fact, we could easily have defended against these attacks before they happened, with a little common sense and co-ordination between agencies.

And, the 9/11 bipartisan commission made a number of excellent recommendations for changes that would make us safer - unfortunately we seem to not have implemented many of them.

I don't believe that we should kill large numbers of innocent bystanders in our hunt for terrorists, though, and I'm not sure about revenge as a motive for our actions.

First, I would recommend acting in such a way internationally that we don't create enemies and provoke attacks. Next, I would recommend that we defend ourselves, in an efficient and effective manner.

What do you recommend?

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

You post an obviously bogus claim by a fictional woman in Canada and you suggest others are ignorant? Also, the spacing proves it is an e-mail spam aimed at getting people like you all stirred up. It obviously worked.

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

Um ... BAA, did you look at the snopes link? Your post is fiction. It wasn't written by a woman in Canada, and it is an e-mail that you got all caught up in and believed. Seriously, fiction is another word for "bogus."

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