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Brownback waiting to comment on concealed carry on campus proposal

February 16, 2012

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Gov. Sam Brownback on Thursday declined to weigh in on a proposal that would allow concealed carry license holders to bring their guns on campuses and other public buildings.

During a news conference, Brownback said he hadn’t looked into the bill in-depth. Brownback also noted that such a proposal wasn’t included in his agenda outlined last month in his State of the State address.

Under House Bill 2353, people who are licensed to carry a concealed gun would be allowed to bring a weapon into a state or city facility unless the building had adequate security measures, such as electronic screening equipment and guards, to ensure that no weapons could be brought in.

But representatives of colleges, cities and counties and other groups have decried the legislation, saying it would be cost prohibitive to have security systems at all entrances. That means concealed carry would have to be allowed, they said.

The bill, by Rep. Forrest Knox, R-Altoona, has been approved by a House committee and will next go to the full House.

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DillonBarnes 2 years, 5 months ago

In other news, nothing new has happened, commence arguing...

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beatrice 2 years, 5 months ago

He is probably going to be for it, but I'll bet he still insists people leave their bombs in their vehicles.

I wonder if an approval will include taking a gun into the tunnel that connects the capitol with other buildings?

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kochmoney 2 years, 5 months ago

In other words, his overlords haven't yet told him his position on this one.

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question4u 2 years, 5 months ago

"allowing just illegal weapons as is current de facto situation."

You obviously need to work on that quote again. Campus police are armed and are trained professionals, not vigilantes.

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Brock Masters 2 years, 5 months ago

People who legally carry concealed weapons are not vigilantes either. They choose to exercise their 2nd amendment and to take steps not to be a victim. They don't seek to carry out justice in lieu of the police as a vigilante would.

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cowboy 2 years, 5 months ago

spineless , doesn't want to p off the gun lobby

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pavlovs_dog 2 years, 5 months ago

"hadn't looked into the bill--in depth." Nominate for best understatement 2012.

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KevinBacon 2 years, 5 months ago

That's a nice gun in the picture, not for concealed carry though. Anyone know what it is?

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 5 months ago

Looks like a .357 Magnum. Not a good choice for cc.

I guess ljw is going national inquirer on us.

Anything to scare things up...

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labmonkey 2 years, 5 months ago

My guess is a Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum with a 4" barrel.

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BlackVelvet 2 years, 5 months ago

Looks like a Colt diamondback. A 38 special version of the 357 magnum Colt Python.

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BlackVelvet 2 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, my bad. It's a Smith and Wesson. The vented rib looks like Colt but it has a S&W thumb latch.

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Charles L Bloss Jr 2 years, 5 months ago

If they deny me the means to protect myself, if something happens they are responsible. Thank you, Lynn

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pavlovs_dog 2 years, 5 months ago

If the idea is that the "sane" gun owners packing the heat legally will deter the "insane" gun owners who will be packing illegally-- well, why bother with concealment? Won't you feel a whole lot safer walking into a lecture hall where you can see that a few dozen assault weapons are present?

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KevinBacon 2 years, 5 months ago

The biggest benefit of concealed carry is that criminals don't know who might be armed. It takes away the criminal's monopoly on the element of surprise, and greatly increases the personal-safety risk (not just risk of punishment) of committing a crime.

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madcow 2 years, 5 months ago

A question...

The current law as I understand it says that the only place that a CC licensed person can't carry is in buildings with the no guns sign.

So is there another law saying they can't carry guns on campus, or can they just not carry them into the buildings?

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timetospeakup 2 years, 5 months ago

that is of course "Provided that the premises are conspicuously posted in accordance with rules and regulations adopted by the attorney general as premises where carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited, no license issued or recognized pursuant to this act shall authorize the licensee to carry a concealed handgun into the building of:"

You can only post buildings - it's already been legal to concealed carry guns outside on campus for a few years now.

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Hedge 2 years, 5 months ago

HB 2528, passed in 2010, removed the restrictions against concealed carry in all public places, including university campuses. Only buildings can be posted to prevent carry. Only specific federal designated areas are restricted without posting.

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 5 months ago

The idea of having metal detectors is a bunch of crap for sure.

If you have a CCL it means you don't want to break the law because you would lose your license. So you are not going to walk into a building if it is not allowed anyway.

Let's clarify that...the guys with the CCL are the ones who follow and respect the law.

You don't need metal detectors. The only people that would be talking about metal detectors are either anti-gun nuts or politicians representing anti-gun nuts who are trying to scare people.

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 5 months ago

When you look at the picture of the .357 Magnum it is obvious that the purpose is to make a dramatic impression and to scare a certain percentage of the population regarding guns.

It is just impossible for me to imagine a bunch of 21 or 22 year old kids taking the time out from their studies to go through all the requirements to be able to get a CCL. Why would they want to do that?

Then, if you had a CCL, you sure would not want to lose it by doing something stupid.

Yet, the anti-gun nuts try to paint an image of a campus popuated by armed students and inevitable drunken gun battles at the student union.

A ship full of martians landing in time to watch the Missouri-Kansas basketball game is far more likely to happen.

This about politics. The dumb and stupid kind of politics.

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Hedge 2 years, 5 months ago

Metal detectors make great sense if you truly want to make sure no firearms get into the building. But you are forgetting the second requirement in the bill. If you install scanners you also have to have provisions for a person to securely check their firearm while they are in the building and make it readily available when they are ready to leave.

And all of this matters nothing if the school does not want students to carry. These laws do not infringe on any school to implement policy that forbids students from carrying in buildings and/or on campus. They are still within their rights to boot you out of school if caught carrying. You just can't get charged with a crime.

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