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Committee hearing heats up on Kansas abortion bill

February 9, 2012

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Temperatures rose Thursday during a committee hearing on a bill to add further restrictions on abortions.

Kari Ann Rinker, state coordinator of the Kansas chapter of the National Organization for Women, called the bill a waste of taxpayers’ time and money.

She told the House Federal and State Affairs Committee she knew she wouldn’t change anyone’s mind and the committee should just go ahead approve the bill.

“The committee process is irrelevant,” Rinker said. She took out an ink pad and rubber stamp and told the committee to go ahead and “rubber stamp” the bill.

That brought criticism from several committee members.

Rep. John Rubin, R-Shawnee, said Rinker had committed a scurrilous attack on the committee. He then walked out of the meeting for a few minutes to cool off.

Rep. Joe Seiwert, R-Pretty Prairie, said, “Your little stamp appalls me.”

Rinker said that during hearings last year on another abortion bill, another Kansas NOW official, Amber Versola, was treated shabbily by anti-abortion committee members who peppered her with inappropriate questions, such as, “Have you ever watched someone die?”

Rep. Amanda Grosserode, R-Lenexa, said if committee members were disrespectful they should apologize. She added that while she and Rinker don’t agree on abortion “the method where we communicate can be in respect.”

The committee closed the hearing on House Bill 2598 and took no action on it.

The measure would require a physician to make the fetal heartbeat audible before the woman agrees to an abortion. It would also require doctors provide information that abortion increases the risk of breast cancer, a claim that most cancer researchers dispute. It would also prohibit schools from contracting with groups such as Planned Parenthood for sex education programs.

It would also take away sales tax exemptions for drugs used in abortion, any educational materials purchased by a non-profit that performs abortions. It also prohibits abortion solely on account of the sex of the child.

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Hooligan_016 2 years, 8 months ago

Glad they are wasting their time and our money on this topic over and over again. Just can't leave it alone.

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Hooligan_016 2 years, 8 months ago

A rubber stamp upset them? Are they really this petty nowadays?

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Phillbert 2 years, 8 months ago

Rep. Joe Seiwert, R-Pretty Prairie, said, “Your little stamp appalls me.”

The truth hurts.

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JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 8 months ago

The Radical Right and their Cultural Revolution marches ever onward using tactics that would make the Taliban applaud. The US Supreme Court settled this issue. To subject women to this type of treatment in 2012 is what is appalling. I suppose many Kansans will support Rick Santorum who even opposes the use of birth control. God help us all!

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deec 2 years, 8 months ago

What do you call people who use the rhythm method? Parents.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 8 months ago

And once more, section 10 of the proposed bill was totally ignored in the article. http://kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/measures/documents/hb2598_00_0000.pdf (Starts at page 3, line 25.)

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 8 months ago

When last year's anti-abortion legislation was passed (some of which is STILL hung up in the courts), opponents were treated summarily and rudely. What makes anybody think the committee is going to treat them any differently this year? This is a committee made up primarily of middle aged and old white men (there isn't a single person "of color" on it) who fully believe they have "righteousness" on their side. And these are the people who are making the laws governing the uteri of the women in this state. Welcome to the Christian Taliban.

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

rubbish the conferees were treated with great respect by all the members. The issue you have is that you don't agree with the pro-life representatives on this issue!

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Michael LoBurgio 2 years, 8 months ago

cait48 from all the articles i have read this morning, i think it's all MEN and one woman on the committe.

Wake up women before sam and his koch puppets break out the Burqa wear for spring.

Niqab, Burqa, and Khimar Collection

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 8 months ago

There are actually eight women on a committee of 22, one of whom is the ranking minority (Democrat) member. There are fewer Democrats (5) on the committee than there are women. None of them appear to be from a racial minority, with the exception of Ponka-We Victors, who is a Democrat and a Native American. Seriously, check out the committee itself and research it's members. It's quite the education. http://kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/committees/ctte_h_fed_st_1/

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 8 months ago

It's interesting that one of the most vocal opponents to this bill in the legislature is a Republican, although she isn't on the committee. Her name is Barbara Bollier and she's a retired anesthesiologist. She opposes the bill, not on moral grounds, but on medical ones for it's "bad science", including the "fetal pain" provisions and the debunked "abortion-breast cancer" link.

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

We are fully alert and aware of the pro-abortion bias that has been in Kansas--it is high time the law changes--the Sebelius and Tiller era of abortion as a method of birth control is ending!

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somedude20 2 years, 8 months ago

Get up, stand up. Stand up for your rights women! In other news, I heard that the Kansas Legislature is going to outlaw periods for you gals

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 8 months ago

Hey, at least then we wouldn't have to seclude ourselves in case we touched one of those old white men with our "uncleaness".

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downriverdan 2 years, 8 months ago

“Everyone must admit that if a law is to be morally valid as a ground of obligation, then it must carry with it absolute necessity. [One] must concede that the ground of obligation here must therefore be sought not in the nature of man, nor in the circumstances of the world in which man is placed, but must be sought a priori solely in the concepts of pure reason; he must grant that every other precept which is founded on principles of mere experience-even a precept that may in certain respects be universal-in so far as it rests in the least on empirical grounds-perhaps only in its motive–can indeed be called a practical rule, but never a moral law.” — Immanuel Kant

Is this law of absolute necessity? By everyone's reasoning? If you don't want to have an abortion then don't have an abortion, and you should not make a law that states that all women must have one.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 8 months ago

Kant was an Enlightenment philosopher and one of those followed by the "founding fathers" of this country. He is also reviled and hated by the "religious right" to the extent that the Texas state school board outlawed teaching his writings, along with those of Jefferson, Voltaire, Rousseau, Locke and Spinoza. Can't have (gasp!) *reason" spoiling those precious little minds.

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

If there are two different persons involved then the law should intercede to protect the weak and the helpless child from dismemberment.

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

The problem here is that liberal secular humanists reject God and the teachings of the Bible. We are urged to accept abortion on demand as a method of birth control and we not supposed to raise our voices for the unborn. I do not think that it is treating someone rudely to question the support they voice for the dismemberment of a unborn child. We can simply lower our voice and nicely ask--what value is there in this wanton slaughter--certainly nothing positive for women or society or the child.

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

The first amendment to the constitution protects my religious freedom to worship God as I see fit. It also allows me to express my opinion in the public arena on all issues including moral issues. The constitution allows me to share the gospel with you and to share biblical principles with you on moral issues. God and the Bible should help our society to build a positive foundation for openness--in fact, it is historic christianity that has created this openness and freedom--the Christian religion allow each person to come to God through Christ and receive the free gift of forgiveness. This each one of us Christians should share with a needy world--not to force belief--but to bring freedom!

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 8 months ago

There's a fine line between sharing and forcing and you've crossed it any number of times. To quote something I saw recently: "Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, it's fine to be proud of it. But please don't whip it out and start waving it around in public. And PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throats."

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

What a "civil" post--how persuasive this will be for you argument--this is just an example of someone not having anything to support their morals of abortion on demand!

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jafs 2 years, 8 months ago

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

No.

Obviously no - religion has not in fact been generally known for promoting openness and freedom, it's much more often been used to oppress and rigidly structure people's lives.

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Don Whiteley 2 years, 8 months ago

Just give parents an axe. If they don't like their baby, or it gets in the way of their plans, just axe it into pieces. NOW won't settle for anything less. If we're going to have abortion, let's stop the hypocrisy and allow abortion to the age of 21. If I brought you into this world and I can take you out again.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 8 months ago

Here we go with the histrionics again.

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

The bottom line is that abortion on demand is the destruction of the human fetus.The unborn child should not be hacked into pieces in the name of choice. We should once again protect human unborn babies with the force of law and demand that each life be welcomed and affirmed born and unborn. The Christian community has been demonstrating this affirmation for years by offering pregnancy help at Crisis pregnancy centers, birthright, thru church organizations and through mission work to help those in need. The most important need is for one to come to know the saving power of Jesus Christ by simply praying and asking Him to save us from our sins and wash us clean of our own personal sin and uncleanness. Christ is the answer to these situations!

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