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Kobach touts bill on citizenship rule

February 1, 2012


— Secretary of State Kris Kobach says Kansas legislators can show they're serious about fighting election fraud by passing his bill to speed up a requirement for some potential voters to show proof of citizenship.

But the Republican secretary of state faced hostile questions Wednesday from Democrat during a House Elections Committee hearing.

A law enacted last year says people registering to vote for the first time in Kansas must prove their U.S. citizenship, starting in January 2013. Kobach wants the rule to take effect by June 15, ahead of this year's presidential election.

But state Rep. Ann Mah, a Topeka Democrat, predicted the state won't be ready to administer the rule so quickly and that it will be a problem for thousands of potential voters, which Kobach disputes.


Scott Tichenor 5 years, 11 months ago

There is no election fraud but in the dimly lit mind of this Klown.

somebodynew 5 years, 11 months ago

And I suppose you are one that says if the police stop you just let them search or do what they like since you have nothing to hide????

And I think you last part is just opposite. The only reason this needs to be rushed is so that there is a loss of voters (not illegals though).

Jeff Zamrzla 5 years, 11 months ago

It would be about freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, something enshrined in the bill of rights. But to a paranoid lunatic, otherwise known as a republican in this state, it is more about fantasy bogymen throwing you out of office because you're, well, crazy.

ivalueamerica 5 years, 11 months ago

What the BIG DEAL is is that it has been well documented that laws like this keep Americans from access to voting, especially the low income, elderly and in Kansas, Native Americans.

I realize you have no problem increasing government regulations, keeping American citizens from the right to vote all to solve a non existent problem, but I value my country and our Constitution, apparently a lot more than you do.

Mike1949 5 years, 11 months ago

Why is it the Republicans spout less government, yet every time we turn around, the government run by Republicans is trying to control everything about our lives. In the process, it is not only a pain in the you know where, it usually is taking away our freedoms. I know if I have to go dig out my birth certificate some where in my house, just to prove I was born in this country, it is going to piss me off. How dare you to question whether I am a American!

You people are trying to do the same thing with abortion. If you succeed in stopping it legally, society is going to go back to the 20's when it was done underground, and you not only had potential children dying, you will have women dying by the hands of butchers trying to make a few bucks on the side. Then of course if they go full term, is the pro life people going to start up orphanages again? You can say people are breaking the law, but so what, haven't you people learned your lesson from Prohibition? Government trying to dictate morals has never worked ........ EVER! The Republican party is not only the party of "NO", but it is the party of more government and control of the people with the loss of freedoms.

I hate to say this, but it is a fact as plain as the tip of your nose!

Hooligan_016 5 years, 11 months ago

FYI, Kansas has a proud history of Democratic governors before Sebelius. Sorry to break this news to you in this manner.

dwendel 5 years, 11 months ago

Phoenixman -- for someone with so little knowledge and such limited argumentative skills, you sure have a lot of opinions. Why is that?

blindrabbit 5 years, 11 months ago

How can a guy that was born in progressive Madison, Wisconsin morph into a right-wing bigot in Topeka, Kansas? Maybe got it from his used car dealership background!

Jan Rolls 5 years, 11 months ago

Show us the stats that says there is voter fraud in kansas. Some one in the legislature show make him do that. We can see all of the illegals flocking to the voting booth - yeah right. This guy is just a dirty rotten ****.

Jimo 5 years, 11 months ago

I sat next to a woman on a plane once who worked for the elections office in another state with a similar "citizenship" provision.

She explained how the rule works in reality:

If you look American (a/k/a, you're white) then the elections workers don't bother to ask for proof of citizenship. Sure, you may have it in hand but no one really wants to see anything. Otherwise, you better have your papers in order just like in your regular third-world police state.

question4u 5 years, 11 months ago

Kobach seems both delusional and paranoid. After making a mountain out of a molehill, he can't step back and let his law be implemented at a reasonable pace. He clearly craves the spotlight and is willing to milk this non-issue for every ounce of publicity that it can yield.

Isn't there anything useful for a Kansas Secretary of State to do? If Kobach has so much free time that he can beat a non-existent horse, does Kansas really need a Secretary of State?

Paul R Getto 5 years, 11 months ago

"Isn't there anything useful for a Kansas Secretary of State to do?" === Good point. The SOS essentially a clerk who makes sure the paperwork is done and available to those who need it. Supervising elections is another part of the job, but clearly he wants to influence and control them. He wants to run for higher office and should have run for governor, but I doubt he'd get elected ato that one.

mloburgio 5 years, 11 months ago

Here are 32 million reasons

Why New Photo ID Laws Mean Some Won't Vote

3.2 million Americans who don't possess a government-issued picture ID, according to a recent study co-authored by Norden.

The people we're finding are very poor people, people who never drove — and it's surprising how many people are like that.

They tend to be older people, often women. They also never had a need for a state ID card. There are many things you don't need an ID card for that people think you actually need one for."

oldbaldguy 5 years, 11 months ago

This is about voter suppression. voter fraud is not a problem in Kansas. Chicago I am not so sure.

tolawdjk 5 years, 11 months ago

From my experince with Chicago, the voter fraud is much more likely in the "smaller" offices...cook county offices, mayorships, school boards. Places where a small amount of fraud can have a larger effect.

To an extent, the state offices were suspect to it, but that mainly seemed to be focused on large amounts of funny money donations rather than outright voter fraud.

The likelihood of someone attempting to throw in voter fraud in a state with the EC impact of Kansas seems ludicrious at best.

somedude20 5 years, 11 months ago

I wonder if this bs would have even be thought of had a white republican (maybe even just a white man not even an R) won the Presidency?

Some people here seem to have a great fear of gays and people of color. Bet you would wet your pants if you ever saw a gay black zombie....grow up! It is bad enough that you believe spirts can impregnate a woman and that a ghost (space ghost maybe) created the endless universe, oh and us of course. HA! At least you already believe in zombies though!

munch a bunch of crunch and munch

Mike Wasikowski 5 years, 11 months ago

The South Carolina Attorney General said that there were over 900 cases of votes cast by dead voters in the recent primary. To prove these cases were really people impersonating dead voters, he released six names of people who he claimed cast votes while deceased. Five of the cases were found to be caused by clerical errors. The sixth case was a guy who cast an absentee ballot, mailed in the ballot, and then died before the election.

If we assume that every single other case of a dead voter casting a vote was real voter fraud, the odds would be so astronomically against this six-case sample being the only six cases where voter fraud didn't happen that you are more likely to get struck by lightning twice than you are to have this happen. Voter fraud is a lie.

Sally Piller 5 years, 11 months ago

Mexican illegal immigrants are too busy working their asses off to bother to try to fraudulently vote. The Democratic machine Ksfbcoach? You've been hit in the head too many times. There is no fraud, just election fixing by Koback and his pals.

Clara Westphal 5 years, 11 months ago

No fraud? Why and how do you think Garden City voted in a Mexican mayor?

Of course employers want the Mexicans to stay. They don't want to pay a living wage to others who would take the jobs but can't afford to take the low pay.

Employers can get illegal help for pennies on the dollar and may not even have to pay them at all.

tolawdjk 5 years, 11 months ago

Because he is "Mexican" the Garden City mayor was elected by fraud?

Care to back that up with some evidence, hotshot?

tolawdjk 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm guessing since the Garden City mayor is "John Doll", it is going to be a bit difficult with that evidence.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 11 months ago

Not sure why anybody hasn't thought of this or mentioned it, but... Given that, other than the governor's office, this state has voted primarily Republican for the last thirty years, perhaps there is voter fraud going on. Except it's not at the polls, it's after the polls have closed and the votes are being counted. /shrug They're the ones screaming "voter fraud" and it's something to consider. But obviously, since they are the ones that benefitted they aren't likely to look into that little cess pit. I just find it ironic that they are screaming voter fraud when their party is the one that's been in power for decades. Isn't that a de facto admission that their party is in power by fraud?

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 11 months ago

So you are admitting that, given that only two Dems have served as SoS in the last 100 years, that if there is voter fraud going on, it ain't exactly the Dems doing it? Because if there was a "mess" left by those Secretaries (one of whom was in office for less than a year and which I ain't buyin' but what the heck), don't you think it would have been cleaned up long before now? I actually think you just gave me even more fodder for my position.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm kinda enjoying this. It's rather like pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes.

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